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Om Gurave Namah

 

Namaste Pradeep,

 

I just wanted to share with you the following link from Valmiki

Ramayana.

 

http://www.valmikiramayan.net/ayodhya/sarga100/ayodhya_100_frame.htm

 

I request you to read especially those shlokas which start

with "Kachhit", that reflect the astute nature and concerns of a king.

Infact, if you go through the Ayodhya kanda you'll find many instances

of ideal kingdom and how important, to the Raja, is the welfare of his

praja.

 

That's how our sages visualized a king...and that vision certainly had

not included the bhaats:--)) My earnest request is that while we may

have not yet grown to the level of appreciating their vision, let's

not pull it down to suit our level. Please think about it.

 

And, please remember that Sage Parashara named Shri Rama as the

avatara pertaining to Sun.

 

As opposed to the above shlokas, can you show me any pramana that says

that a king must have ego?

 

This is my last post on this issue and I intend to exit all other

threads too.

 

Thanks for the lively discussion.

 

Regards,

Lakshmi

 

 

 

 

Similarly Sun gives us

> > strength ,life,eyesight,is karaka for lagna,and the feeling of a

> > KING based on strength.

> > How a KING will feel is understandable though you find it tough to

> > accept.Hence we have to overcome EGO and should be humble.

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Dear Lakshmi ji

 

Exceptions are not examples.

Common man has ego.Those who are realized may not.Hence Jyotish is

not for the realized ones.Planets do not affect them.

Puranas may speak of Rajas who are Purushottamas.

 

Pradeep, "b_lakshmi_ramesh"

<b_lakshmi_ramesh wrote:

>

> Om Gurave Namah

>

> Namaste Pradeep,

>

> I just wanted to share with you the following link from Valmiki

> Ramayana.

>

>

http://www.valmikiramayan.net/ayodhya/sarga100/ayodhya_100_frame.htm

>

> I request you to read especially those shlokas which start

> with "Kachhit", that reflect the astute nature and concerns of a

king.

> Infact, if you go through the Ayodhya kanda you'll find many

instances

> of ideal kingdom and how important, to the Raja, is the welfare of

his

> praja.

>

> That's how our sages visualized a king...and that vision certainly

had

> not included the bhaats:--)) My earnest request is that while we

may

> have not yet grown to the level of appreciating their vision,

let's

> not pull it down to suit our level. Please think about it.

>

> And, please remember that Sage Parashara named Shri Rama as the

> avatara pertaining to Sun.

>

> As opposed to the above shlokas, can you show me any pramana that

says

> that a king must have ego?

>

> This is my last post on this issue and I intend to exit all other

> threads too.

>

> Thanks for the lively discussion.

>

> Regards,

> Lakshmi

>

>

>

>

> Similarly Sun gives us

> > > strength ,life,eyesight,is karaka for lagna,and the feeling of

a

> > > KING based on strength.

> > > How a KING will feel is understandable though you find it

tough to

> > > accept.Hence we have to overcome EGO and should be humble.

>

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Om Gurave Namah

 

Namaste Pradeep,

 

Belated Diwali greetings to you.

 

Please go through the following links talking about the life/duties

of a king, as given in

a ) Maha Bharata by Sage Veda Vyasa spoken through Sage Narada

b) and in Artha shastra by Kautilya.

 

When you go through these links, coupled with the one from Valmiki

Ramayana, spanning across yugas / manvantaras, I hope you'll

understand that all these deal with the rules and not the

exceptions.

 

1. http://www.sacred-texts.com/hin/m02/m02005.htm

 

2. http://www.hinduwebsite.com/history/kautilya.asp#Book%20I,%

20Chapter%207

(Life of a king & duties of a king)

 

I hope you also realize that Sage Narada and Kautilya were not

speaking about Purushottamas but about kings in general.

 

I request you again, for my benefit, to quote a pramana that says a

king must invariably have ego.

 

Regards,

Lakshmi

 

P.S. you can also refer to Manu smriti.

 

 

, "vijayadas_pradeep"

<vijayadas_pradeep wrote:

>

> Dear Lakshmi ji

>

> Exceptions are not examples.

> Common man has ego.Those who are realized may not.Hence Jyotish is

> not for the realized ones.Planets do not affect them.

> Puranas may speak of Rajas who are Purushottamas.

>

> Pradeep, "b_lakshmi_ramesh"

> <b_lakshmi_ramesh@> wrote:

> >

> > Om Gurave Namah

> >

> > Namaste Pradeep,

> >

> > I just wanted to share with you the following link from Valmiki

> > Ramayana.

> >

> >

>

http://www.valmikiramayan.net/ayodhya/sarga100/ayodhya_100_frame.htm

> >

> > I request you to read especially those shlokas which start

> > with "Kachhit", that reflect the astute nature and concerns of a

> king.

> > Infact, if you go through the Ayodhya kanda you'll find many

> instances

> > of ideal kingdom and how important, to the Raja, is the welfare

of

> his

> > praja.

> >

> > That's how our sages visualized a king...and that vision

certainly

> had

> > not included the bhaats:--)) My earnest request is that while we

> may

> > have not yet grown to the level of appreciating their vision,

> let's

> > not pull it down to suit our level. Please think about it.

> >

> > And, please remember that Sage Parashara named Shri Rama as the

> > avatara pertaining to Sun.

> >

> > As opposed to the above shlokas, can you show me any pramana

that

> says

> > that a king must have ego?

> >

> > This is my last post on this issue and I intend to exit all

other

> > threads too.

> >

> > Thanks for the lively discussion.

> >

> > Regards,

> > Lakshmi

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > Similarly Sun gives us

> > > > strength ,life,eyesight,is karaka for lagna,and the feeling

of

> a

> > > > KING based on strength.

> > > > How a KING will feel is understandable though you find it

> tough to

> > > > accept.Hence we have to overcome EGO and should be humble.

> >

>

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Dear Lakshmi ji

 

Thanks for the wishes and same to you and family.

Thanks for the links as well.Infact neither Praja nor King is supposed

to have high EGO as per rules and duties.If we all were perfect and

following guidelines then we all would had beeen realized without effort.

 

Ego in common parlance is pride.In spiritual parlance it is dwaita

bhava.But common parlance too is the same.Pride is directly

proportional to our distance from real self.

Also this feeling gets enriched by virtue of material possessions and

power.It makes us blind.As you have said one should not be so as per

ideals.But that is not the case in life.

 

But on the other hand there are exceptional cases where some kings are

manifestation of virtues.Those cannot be examples is my view.

 

Thanks

Pradeep

 

, "b_lakshmi_ramesh"

<b_lakshmi_ramesh wrote:

>

> Om Gurave Namah

>

> Namaste Pradeep,

>

> Belated Diwali greetings to you.

>

> Please go through the following links talking about the life/duties

> of a king, as given in

> a ) Maha Bharata by Sage Veda Vyasa spoken through Sage Narada

> b) and in Artha shastra by Kautilya.

>

> When you go through these links, coupled with the one from Valmiki

> Ramayana, spanning across yugas / manvantaras, I hope you'll

> understand that all these deal with the rules and not the

> exceptions.

>

> 1. http://www.sacred-texts.com/hin/m02/m02005.htm

>

> 2. http://www.hinduwebsite.com/history/kautilya.asp#Book%20I,%

> 20Chapter%207

> (Life of a king & duties of a king)

>

> I hope you also realize that Sage Narada and Kautilya were not

> speaking about Purushottamas but about kings in general.

>

> I request you again, for my benefit, to quote a pramana that says a

> king must invariably have ego.

>

> Regards,

> Lakshmi

>

> P.S. you can also refer to Manu smriti.

>

>

> , "vijayadas_pradeep"

> <vijayadas_pradeep@> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Lakshmi ji

> >

> > Exceptions are not examples.

> > Common man has ego.Those who are realized may not.Hence Jyotish is

> > not for the realized ones.Planets do not affect them.

> > Puranas may speak of Rajas who are Purushottamas.

> >

> > Pradeep, "b_lakshmi_ramesh"

> > <b_lakshmi_ramesh@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Om Gurave Namah

> > >

> > > Namaste Pradeep,

> > >

> > > I just wanted to share with you the following link from Valmiki

> > > Ramayana.

> > >

> > >

> >

> http://www.valmikiramayan.net/ayodhya/sarga100/ayodhya_100_frame.htm

> > >

> > > I request you to read especially those shlokas which start

> > > with "Kachhit", that reflect the astute nature and concerns of a

> > king.

> > > Infact, if you go through the Ayodhya kanda you'll find many

> > instances

> > > of ideal kingdom and how important, to the Raja, is the welfare

> of

> > his

> > > praja.

> > >

> > > That's how our sages visualized a king...and that vision

> certainly

> > had

> > > not included the bhaats:--)) My earnest request is that while we

> > may

> > > have not yet grown to the level of appreciating their vision,

> > let's

> > > not pull it down to suit our level. Please think about it.

> > >

> > > And, please remember that Sage Parashara named Shri Rama as the

> > > avatara pertaining to Sun.

> > >

> > > As opposed to the above shlokas, can you show me any pramana

> that

> > says

> > > that a king must have ego?

> > >

> > > This is my last post on this issue and I intend to exit all

> other

> > > threads too.

> > >

> > > Thanks for the lively discussion.

> > >

> > > Regards,

> > > Lakshmi

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Similarly Sun gives us

> > > > > strength ,life,eyesight,is karaka for lagna,and the feeling

> of

> > a

> > > > > KING based on strength.

> > > > > How a KING will feel is understandable though you find it

> > tough to

> > > > > accept.Hence we have to overcome EGO and should be humble.

> > >

> >

>

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Om Gurave Namah

 

Namaste Pradeep,

 

What is documented in the epics and Artha Shastra are the theory and

practice of kingship. Generally all the kings followed them, except

for an aberrant few.

 

Such exceptions can exist everywhere...alike among kings and

commoners. My only humble submission is why tag "pride" only to

kings, when it can be tagged to me and you too? And, certainly we

are not kings!!

 

:--))

 

Regards,

Lakshmi

 

 

 

 

, "vijayadas_pradeep"

<vijayadas_pradeep wrote:

>

> Dear Lakshmi ji

>

> Thanks for the wishes and same to you and family.

> Thanks for the links as well.Infact neither Praja nor King is

supposed

> to have high EGO as per rules and duties.If we all were perfect and

> following guidelines then we all would had beeen realized without

effort.

>

> Ego in common parlance is pride.In spiritual parlance it is dwaita

> bhava.But common parlance too is the same.Pride is directly

> proportional to our distance from real self.

> Also this feeling gets enriched by virtue of material possessions

and

> power.It makes us blind.As you have said one should not be so as

per

> ideals.But that is not the case in life.

>

> But on the other hand there are exceptional cases where some kings

are

> manifestation of virtues.Those cannot be examples is my view.

>

> Thanks

> Pradeep

>

> , "b_lakshmi_ramesh"

> <b_lakshmi_ramesh@> wrote:

> >

> > Om Gurave Namah

> >

> > Namaste Pradeep,

> >

> > Belated Diwali greetings to you.

> >

> > Please go through the following links talking about the

life/duties

> > of a king, as given in

> > a ) Maha Bharata by Sage Veda Vyasa spoken through Sage Narada

> > b) and in Artha shastra by Kautilya.

> >

> > When you go through these links, coupled with the one from

Valmiki

> > Ramayana, spanning across yugas / manvantaras, I hope you'll

> > understand that all these deal with the rules and not the

> > exceptions.

> >

> > 1. http://www.sacred-texts.com/hin/m02/m02005.htm

> >

> > 2. http://www.hinduwebsite.com/history/kautilya.asp#Book%20I,%

> > 20Chapter%207

> > (Life of a king & duties of a king)

> >

> > I hope you also realize that Sage Narada and Kautilya were not

> > speaking about Purushottamas but about kings in general.

> >

> > I request you again, for my benefit, to quote a pramana that

says a

> > king must invariably have ego.

> >

> > Regards,

> > Lakshmi

> >

> > P.S. you can also refer to Manu smriti.

> >

> >

> > , "vijayadas_pradeep"

> > <vijayadas_pradeep@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Lakshmi ji

> > >

> > > Exceptions are not examples.

> > > Common man has ego.Those who are realized may not.Hence

Jyotish is

> > > not for the realized ones.Planets do not affect them.

> > > Puranas may speak of Rajas who are Purushottamas.

> > >

> > > Pradeep, "b_lakshmi_ramesh"

> > > <b_lakshmi_ramesh@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Om Gurave Namah

> > > >

> > > > Namaste Pradeep,

> > > >

> > > > I just wanted to share with you the following link from

Valmiki

> > > > Ramayana.

> > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

http://www.valmikiramayan.net/ayodhya/sarga100/ayodhya_100_frame.htm

> > > >

> > > > I request you to read especially those shlokas which start

> > > > with "Kachhit", that reflect the astute nature and concerns

of a

> > > king.

> > > > Infact, if you go through the Ayodhya kanda you'll find many

> > > instances

> > > > of ideal kingdom and how important, to the Raja, is the

welfare

> > of

> > > his

> > > > praja.

> > > >

> > > > That's how our sages visualized a king...and that vision

> > certainly

> > > had

> > > > not included the bhaats:--)) My earnest request is that

while we

> > > may

> > > > have not yet grown to the level of appreciating their

vision,

> > > let's

> > > > not pull it down to suit our level. Please think about it.

> > > >

> > > > And, please remember that Sage Parashara named Shri Rama as

the

> > > > avatara pertaining to Sun.

> > > >

> > > > As opposed to the above shlokas, can you show me any pramana

> > that

> > > says

> > > > that a king must have ego?

> > > >

> > > > This is my last post on this issue and I intend to exit all

> > other

> > > > threads too.

> > > >

> > > > Thanks for the lively discussion.

> > > >

> > > > Regards,

> > > > Lakshmi

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Similarly Sun gives us

> > > > > > strength ,life,eyesight,is karaka for lagna,and the

feeling

> > of

> > > a

> > > > > > KING based on strength.

> > > > > > How a KING will feel is understandable though you find

it

> > > tough to

> > > > > > accept.Hence we have to overcome EGO and should be

humble.

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

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