A statement concerning Animal Sacrifice to the group!

[Guest guest]

namaste fellow memebers,

 

Recently I have found on the net a number of articles refering to the

bann placed upon animal sacrifice in many Indian states includeing

Calcutta the Home of the Famous Kalighat Temple! because animal

activists have been protesting animal sacrifice! the saddest part

about this is how A division bench consisting of Chief Justice VS

Sirpurkar and Justice Nadira Patherya, heard a petition by one PR

Goenka, saying "open slaughter was banned in Kolkata as per

municipal laws. It added that the Kalighat temple was a tourist

destination and visitors could not be forced to watch the bloodbath."

I always thought Kalighat was a Religious and Pilgrimage destination

above tourist?! ofcourse i could be wrong. I also love how

most "orthodox hindus" agree this a step forward. but how can someone

claim to be an "Orthodox Hindu" and praise such a ban! does that not

show religious intolerance? I like how the majority of hindus in this

world claim Religious tolernce yet most support a ban on an ancient

religious practice within there own community! even the US supreme

court upholds the rights and practices of all relgions includeing

animal sacrifice! refer to A Florida city's ban on ritual animal

sacrifice as an unconstitutional violation of freedom of religion,

the Supreme Court held unanimously June 11. The ruling in Church of

Lukumi Babalu Aye v. Hialeah is a major decision that strengthens

First Amendment protection of free exercise of religion. in my

opinion That is deffinatly a step forward for the US and sad step

somewhere else for India! and in ancient times it wasnt only the

Dravidians practicing animal sacrifices the Aryans did to! isnt

Hinduism a combination and unification of both cultures? also it is

clearly stated in the "Vedas" Several times! this is not symbolic

mumbogumbo this took place! infact they burned most of there

sacrificial offerings alive! whats more humane a quick one stroke

severing of the head or being burned alive!? I am not in anyway

saying Everybody sacrifice animals!! but why get rid of a beautiful

ancient practice favored by some gods and goddess's just to "bring

your community out of the dark ages and into the new world!" that in

itself to me is wrong and just like everyother Pagan non abrahamic

religon, Hinduism will eventually turn into a water'ed down for the

society at large religion! who cares what society thinks!!! I mean

seriously if you dont like it dont do it! sacrifice a gourd or break

a coconut! but if to worship for you involves Animal sacrifice and

it is done with the utmost respect to the sacrificial guest and with

the belief that the sacrifial guest will be reborn as a human in a

better life furthering his spiritual advancement THEN DO IT!! and who

cares what some lame tourist Thinks they are not there to Praise and

Love Kali they could probably give a shit about her and they are

probably thinking to themselves "Jesus Save these Heathen Demon

worshipors" disgraceing and disrespecting Kali in there minds while

in her Temple takeing pictures to show aunt betty back home! i mean

seriously its so Sad, that Hindus in India the mother country are

allowing this disrespect and heavy blow against there religion I

guess this really is the Dark Age its times like this when im glad I

live in the US and something like this couldnt happen thanks to the

Freedom of Relgion Act and the Supremes courts willingness to uphold

it! anyway I Just wanted to share my frustration of India's

willingness to conform! and I hope the states in India that have

banned this practice will realize what they are doing and lift these

rediculous banns and see it for what it is an outright public

disrespect againts there own religion! I have a tattoo on my arm that

says in sanskrit "One truth many paths" i put that there with the

beliefe that all paths lead to god! Wich I truley believe. from the

little girl offering flowers she picked off the side of the road on

her way to the temple to the man sacrificing a goat to secure a

prosperous and successfull future for his family! THATS TOLERANCE"

anyway im done ranting! lol hope everyone had a wonderfull Navaratri

and may the upcoming Kali puja and Diwali Festivals bring

enlightenment and good fortune for all!

 

Aum Shanti

 

Ardan

[Guest guest]

Namaste Ardan.

 

Agree with you that this ban violates religious freedom.

 

Apparently "open slaughter" is banned, but slaughter of animals

is still permitted behind the walls of a slaughter house?

 

It's like sweeping something under the carpet...

 

Om Shantih,

Colin

 

, "Ardan Mihiraan"

<skud_13 wrote:

>

> namaste fellow memebers,

>

> Recently I have found on the net a number of articles refering to

the

> bann placed upon animal sacrifice in many Indian states

includeing

> Calcutta the Home of the Famous Kalighat Temple! because

animal

> activists have been protesting animal sacrifice! the saddest

part

> about this is how A division bench consisting of Chief Justice

VS

> Sirpurkar and Justice Nadira Patherya, heard a petition by one

PR

> Goenka, saying "open slaughter was banned in Kolkata as

per

> municipal laws. It added that the Kalighat temple was a tourist

> destination and visitors could not be forced to watch the

bloodbath."

> I always thought Kalighat was a Religious and Pilgrimage

destination

> above tourist?! ofcourse i could be wrong. I also love how

> most "orthodox hindus" agree this a step forward. but how can

someone

> claim to be an "Orthodox Hindu" and praise such a ban! does

that not

> show religious intolerance? I like how the majority of hindus in

this

> world claim Religious tolernce yet most support a ban on an

ancient

> religious practice within there own community! even the US

supreme

> court upholds the rights and practices of all relgions includeing

> animal sacrifice! refer to A Florida city's ban on ritual animal

> sacrifice as an unconstitutional violation of freedom of religion,

> the Supreme Court held unanimously June 11. The ruling in

Church of

> Lukumi Babalu Aye v. Hialeah is a major decision that

strengthens

> First Amendment protection of free exercise of religion. in my

> opinion That is deffinatly a step forward for the US and sad

step

> somewhere else for India! and in ancient times it wasnt only

the

> Dravidians practicing animal sacrifices the Aryans did to! isnt

> Hinduism a combination and unification of both cultures? also

it is

> clearly stated in the "Vedas" Several times! this is not symbolic

> mumbogumbo this took place! infact they burned most of there

> sacrificial offerings alive! whats more humane a quick one

stroke

> severing of the head or being burned alive!? I am not in anyway

> saying Everybody sacrifice animals!! but why get rid of a

beautiful

> ancient practice favored by some gods and goddess's just to

"bring

> your community out of the dark ages and into the new world!"

that in

> itself to me is wrong and just like everyother Pagan non

abrahamic

> religon, Hinduism will eventually turn into a water'ed down for

the

> society at large religion! who cares what society thinks!!! I

mean

> seriously if you dont like it dont do it! sacrifice a gourd or break

> a coconut! but if to worship for you involves Animal sacrifice

and

> it is done with the utmost respect to the sacrificial guest and

with

> the belief that the sacrifial guest will be reborn as a human in a

> better life furthering his spiritual advancement THEN DO IT!!

and who

> cares what some lame tourist Thinks they are not there to

Praise and

> Love Kali they could probably give a shit about her and they are

> probably thinking to themselves "Jesus Save these Heathen

Demon

> worshipors" disgraceing and disrespecting Kali in there minds

while

> in her Temple takeing pictures to show aunt betty back home! i

mean

> seriously its so Sad, that Hindus in India the mother country

are

> allowing this disrespect and heavy blow against there religion I

> guess this really is the Dark Age its times like this when im

glad I

> live in the US and something like this couldnt happen thanks to

the

> Freedom of Relgion Act and the Supremes courts willingness

to uphold

> it! anyway I Just wanted to share my frustration of India's

> willingness to conform! and I hope the states in India that have

> banned this practice will realize what they are doing and lift

these

> rediculous banns and see it for what it is an outright public

> disrespect againts there own religion! I have a tattoo on my

arm that

> says in sanskrit "One truth many paths" i put that there with the

> beliefe that all paths lead to god! Wich I truley believe. from the

> little girl offering flowers she picked off the side of the road on

> her way to the temple to the man sacrificing a goat to secure a

> prosperous and successfull future for his family! THATS

TOLERANCE"

> anyway im done ranting! lol hope everyone had a wonderfull

Navaratri

> and may the upcoming Kali puja and Diwali Festivals bring

> enlightenment and good fortune for all!

>

> Aum Shanti

>

> Ardan

>

[Guest guest]

The animal sacrifice practiced my Muslims, I believe, is allowed, no? If so then isnt the govt exercising hypocracy?

 

 

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[Guest guest]

, kartik gaurav <omkaaraya

wrote:

>

>

>

> The animal sacrifice practiced my Muslims, I believe, is allowed,

no? If so then isnt the govt exercising hypocracy?

>

 

 

The Muslim animals are perhaps circumcise whereas the Hindus are not.

Maybe that is why they are slightly different.

[Guest guest]

, kartik gaurav <omkaaraya

wrote:

>

>

>

> The animal sacrifice practiced my Muslims, I believe, is allowed,

no? If so then isnt the govt exercising hypocracy?

>

 

 

The Muslim animals are perhaps circumcise whereas the Hindus are not.

Maybe that is why they are slightly different.

[Guest guest]

Do Muslims practice animal sacrifice? Not talking about Hallal slaughterhouses, for carnivores. Do Muslims offer animals to Allah? I know Jews stopped offering animal sacrifices at some point, maybe Muslims did, too.

 

I have not yet become completely vegetarian, so I can't complain about animal sacrifices, in Hinduism, Santeria, or where-ever.

 

-- Len

 

 

NMadasamy <nmadasamy (AT) nmadasamy (DOT) com> wrote: , kartik gaurav <omkaaraya

wrote:

>

>

>

> The animal sacrifice practiced my Muslims, I believe, is allowed,

no? If so then isnt the govt exercising hypocracy?

>

 

The Muslim animals are perhaps circumcise whereas the Hindus are not.

Maybe that is why they are slightly different.

 

 

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[Guest guest]

Plagiarizee article :

 

"After the completion of the Haj, the pilgrims would perform

the 'qurban' or sacrifice. This act is in remembrance of Prophet

Abraham?s willingness to sacrifice his elder son, Ishmael, when God

commanded him to do it as a test of his commitment to his faith. At

the last moment, God miraculously replaced a ram in place of Ishmael.

The day is spent offering thanksgiving prayers and prayers for

forgiveness at the mosques early in the morning. After prayers,

Muslims conduct the 'qurban' - slaughtering of animals such as lambs

and goats. Though not a compulsory religious duty, it is considered

an obligation for those who can afford. The meat is distributed to

neighbours, friends and most importantly to the poor and needy while

keeping a portion (usually 1/3) for their family"

 

 

 

Soooooo my advise to all Hindus. Maybe its a good idea to get their

sacrificial animal circumcise first. This might do the trick.

 

 

 

, Len Rosenberg

<kalipadma108 wrote:

>

> Do Muslims practice animal sacrifice? Not talking about Hallal

slaughterhouses, for carnivores. Do Muslims offer animals to

Allah? I know Jews stopped offering animal sacrifices at some

point, maybe Muslims did, too.

>

> I have not yet become completely vegetarian, so I can't complain

about animal sacrifices, in Hinduism, Santeria, or where-ever.

>

> -- Len

>

>

> NMadasamy <nmadasamy wrote: -

-- In , kartik gaurav <omkaaraya@>

> wrote:

> >

The animal sacrifice practiced my Muslims, I believe, is allowed,

no? If so then isnt the govt exercising hypocracy?

> >

>

> The Muslim animals are perhaps circumcise whereas the Hindus are

not. Maybe that is why they are slightly different.

>

>

>

> __

>

>

>

>

>

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call rates.

>

>

[Guest guest]

So apparently Moslems are expected to sacrifice a lamb or goat after making a pilgrimage to Mecca? Is this in the mosque?

 

I know the Jews performed animal sacrifice in the Temple in Jerusalem. When the temple was destroyed, it was decided that no further sacrifices would be performed. (Of course, the Jewish version of the story of Abraham is that Isaac (the Jewish son) was to be sacrificed, not Ishmael. And Hindus have a similar story about a devotee of Shiva's, who was asked to sacrifice his son by Bhairava.)

 

Just let the PETA activists know that some Moslems perform animal sacrifices -- that'll stop 'em!

 

-- Len

 

 

NMadasamy <nmadasamy (AT) nmadasamy (DOT) com> wrote: Plagiarizee article :

 

"After the completion of the Haj, the pilgrims would perform

the 'qurban' or sacrifice. This act is in remembrance of Prophet

Abraham?s willingness to sacrifice his elder son, Ishmael, when God

commanded him to do it as a test of his commitment to his faith. At

the last moment, God miraculously replaced a ram in place of Ishmael.

The day is spent offering thanksgiving prayers and prayers for

forgiveness at the mosques early in the morning. After prayers,

Muslims conduct the 'qurban' - slaughtering of animals such as lambs

and goats. Though not a compulsory religious duty, it is considered

an obligation for those who can afford. The meat is distributed to

neighbours, friends and most importantly to the poor and needy while

keeping a portion (usually 1/3) for their family"

 

Soooooo my advise to all Hindus. Maybe its a good idea to get their

sacrificial animal circumcise first. This might do the trick.

 

, Len Rosenberg

<kalipadma108 wrote:

>

> Do Muslims practice animal sacrifice? Not talking about Hallal

slaughterhouses, for carnivores. Do Muslims offer animals to

Allah? I know Jews stopped offering animal sacrifices at some

point, maybe Muslims did, too.

>

> I have not yet become completely vegetarian, so I can't complain

about animal sacrifices, in Hinduism, Santeria, or where-ever.

>

> -- Len

>

>

> NMadasamy <nmadasamy wrote: -

-- In , kartik gaurav <omkaaraya@>

> wrote:

> >

The animal sacrifice practiced my Muslims, I believe, is allowed,

no? If so then isnt the govt exercising hypocracy?

> >

>

> The Muslim animals are perhaps circumcise whereas the Hindus are

not. Maybe that is why they are slightly different.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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[Guest guest]

, Len Rosenberg

<kalipadma108 wrote:

>

> So apparently Moslems are expected to sacrifice a lamb or goat

after making a pilgrimage to Mecca? Is this in the mosque?

>

 

Not really. For those who cant go to Mecca, they will do the

sacrifice at their own country. Usually held at the mosque. This is

done on the morning of the Adil Adha [ also known as the day of

sacrifice]. Im told [ as ive never witness any sacrifice before ]

they will dig a hole somewhere near the mosque, and one person hold

the goat/neck and the imam himself will do the first sacrifice, and

blood of the goat/lamb will fall into the hole. One of the condition

is that knife use must be very sharp. The animal should not suffer.

One slit on the throat, all that is required. its popular believe

that the meat of this sacrifice are much sweeter and tastier.

Dosen't this sound familiar?

 

 

>

> Just let the PETA activists know that some Moslems perform animal

sacrifices -- that'll stop 'em!

>

 

yeah! why the double standard. The whole issue dosent make senses

itself. If you insist that Hindus should stop all these, then should

it applied to the moslims too. Why arent they? Scared?

[Guest guest]

well, animal sacrifice in a hindu context is quite a decisive issue, u

can't just think it terms of peta, the brahminical oppression of

agamic/tantric traditions such as bali (animal) sacrifices is much

older than peta, non-brahmins eat meat, if u sacrifice an animal and

then cook it, that would be considered prasad, the traditional brahmin

can't deal with that, because it goes against the traditions of his

community and his community, as far as he's concerned has been

ordained by the likes of manu, (the bastard) to be the authority in

matters of religion, so he tells non-brahmins 2b vegetarians if they

can, but if they do eat meat that they should make sure it's only

wither chicken or mutton or seafood, and that it preferably be outside

the home that they consume such foods, and if they are made at home

that the puja be outside the kitchen... i hope that most shaktas

should know better than 2 fall in2 the trap of accepting brahminical

hinduism without a pinch, and if need be, a handful of salt...

[Guest guest]

Hi

 

I do not understand your point. Are you saying that brahminical

hinduism prohibits eating meat or prohibits bali? There are references

in sastra of brahmins eating meat and animals being sacrificed in

vedic sacrifice.

 

The practice of brahmins eating meat is still prevelant in many parts

of India.

 

Sumanta

 

, "krishna pillai"

<krish.pillai wrote:

>

> well, animal sacrifice in a hindu context is quite a decisive issue, u

> can't just think it terms of peta, the brahminical oppression of

> agamic/tantric traditions such as bali (animal) sacrifices is much

> older than peta, non-brahmins eat meat, if u sacrifice an animal and

> then cook it, that would be considered prasad, the traditional brahmin

> can't deal with that, because it goes against the traditions of his

> community and his community, as far as he's concerned has been

> ordained by the likes of manu, (the bastard) to be the authority in

> matters of religion, so he tells non-brahmins 2b vegetarians if they

> can, but if they do eat meat that they should make sure it's only

> wither chicken or mutton or seafood, and that it preferably be outside

> the home that they consume such foods, and if they are made at home

> that the puja be outside the kitchen... i hope that most shaktas

> should know better than 2 fall in2 the trap of accepting brahminical

> hinduism without a pinch, and if need be, a handful of salt...

>