Guest guest Posted October 6, 2006 Report Share Posted October 6, 2006 Dhirendra Pal Singh wrote : .... lets see if by the end of this discussion something can come out, that can help me change my mind. And I responded : Well I'm not here to change anybody mind. The change must come from within And somebody told me too: the change is inward... not outside the change inward, within us... in our mind... considered to be change… During Navarathri, we talk about change… about transformation… about how we can transcend to be Durga herself. Lets take this scenario : "I've been staying in this house for 10yrs now. Time for me to change." A] I will rearrange all the furniture in the house. B] I will remove and replace all the furniture in this house. I will repaint with a better paint and get myself a new furniture. C] I will rebuilt this whole house but the interior [especially the furniture remain the same as they are expensive item. I bought it overseas. And I am not willing to part with them] D] I will rebuilt this whole house. I will redo in a new design concept. The walls must be different too. I do not want my house to be walled in all sides, nor my windows to be stuffed. I want the sunlight to shine into our house in the morning and evening. And somebody told me, change must be permanent. Yes! Indeed it must be permanent. Is change then the same as Transformation? What do we understand by the term CHANGE? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 6, 2006 Report Share Posted October 6, 2006 I guess *CHANGE* is the ONLY constant.Transformation is not. My 2 cents. Jai Mata Di regards Raghuveer , "NMadasamy" <nmadasamy wrote: > > Dhirendra Pal Singh wrote : .... lets see if by the end of this > discussion something can come out, that can help me change my mind. > > And I responded : Well I'm not here to change anybody mind. The > change must come from within > > And somebody told me too: the change is inward... not outside the > change inward, within us... in our mind... considered to be change… > > > During Navarathri, we talk about change… about transformation… > about how we can transcend to be Durga herself. > > > Lets take this scenario : "I've been staying in this house for 10yrs > now. Time for me to change." > > > A] I will rearrange all the furniture in the house. > > B] I will remove and replace all the furniture in this house. I will > repaint with a better paint and get myself a new furniture. > > C] I will rebuilt this whole house but the interior [especially the > furniture remain the same as they are expensive item. I bought it > overseas. And I am not willing to part with them] > > D] I will rebuilt this whole house. I will redo in a new design > concept. The walls must be different too. I do not want my house to > be walled in all sides, nor my windows to be stuffed. I want the > sunlight to shine into our house in the morning and evening. > > And somebody told me, change must be permanent. Yes! Indeed it must > be permanent. Is change then the same as Transformation? What do we > understand by the term CHANGE? > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 7, 2006 Report Share Posted October 7, 2006 NMadasamy wrote: Dhirendra Pal Singh wrote : .... lets see if by the end of this discussion something can come out, that can help me change my mind. And I responded : Well I'm not here to change anybody mind. The change must come from within And somebody told me too: the change is inward... not outside the change inward, within us... in our mind... considered to be change… During Navarathri, we talk about change… about transformation… about how we can transcend to be Durga herself. Lets take this scenario : "I've been staying in this house for 10yrs now. Time for me to change." A] I will rearrange all the furniture in the house. B] I will remove and replace all the furniture in this house. I will repaint with a better paint and get myself a new furniture. C] I will rebuilt this whole house but the interior [especially the furniture remain the same as they are expensive item. I bought it overseas. And I am not willing to part with them] D] I will rebuilt this whole house. I will redo in a new design concept. The walls must be different too. I do not want my house to be walled in all sides, nor my windows to be stuffed. I want the sunlight to shine into our house in the morning and evening. And somebody told me, change must be permanent. Yes! Indeed it must be permanent. Is change then the same as Transformation? What do we understand by the term CHANGE? yraghuveer wrote: I guess *CHANGE* is the ONLY constant.Transformation is not. My response : What do you mean the ONLY constant? Is it not Change and Transformation goes hand in hand? Can you have change without any transformation? I'm being told : Change implied complete transformation and not the continuity of a modified thought. I'm trying to grasp this whole idea. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 7, 2006 Report Share Posted October 7, 2006 , "NMadasamy" <nmadasamy wrote: > > NMadasamy wrote: > My response : What do you mean the ONLY constant? Is it not Change > and Transformation goes hand in hand? Can you have change without > any transformation? > > I'm being told : Change implied complete transformation and not the > continuity of a modified thought. I'm trying to grasp this whole > idea. > Let me try to elobrate. I have a friend who was very hot-headed,after a gap of couple of months i could see a ~change~ in him,he wasnt as hot-headed as he used to be.Then again i met him after almost an year,this guy was a diametrical opposite of whom i knew,he is now very calm,composed and always looks at the brighter side of things. > Can you have change without any transformation? The ~change~ started an year back,it took an year for the ~transformation~ to take place,had he lost his focus anytime during that one year he could have ~changed~ back to his initial hot-headed negative nature?. Infatuation with Sita was the onset of change and Ravana transformed !?! Is change the process that leads to transformation???. Moth to Butterfly??. Jai Mata Di regards Raghuveer Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 8, 2006 Report Share Posted October 8, 2006 NMadasamy wrote: > > My response : What do you mean the ONLY constant? Is it not Change > > and Transformation goes hand in hand? Can you have change without any transformation? > > > > I'm being told : Change implied complete transformation and not the continuity of a modified thought. I'm trying to grasp this whole idea. yraghuveer wrote: Let me try to elobrate. > > I have a friend who was very hot-headed,after a gap of couple of > months i could see a ~change~ in him,he wasnt as hot-headed as he used to be. > >Can you have change without any transformation? > > The ~change~ started an year back,it took an year for the > ~transformation~ to take place,had he lost his focus anytime during > that one year he could have ~changed~ back to his initial hot- headed negative nature?. > > Infatuation with Sita was the onset of change and Ravana transformed !?! > > Is change the process that leads to transformation???. > Well as I see it not all change will leads to transformation as in my example A] I will rearrange all the furniture in the house. You change about the furniture, but its not a real change per see, because you are still using the same old furniture. I would not even call it transformation. B ] I will remove and replace all the furniture in this house. I will repaint with a better paint and get myself a new furniture. C] And I will rebuilt this whole house but the interior [especially the furniture remain the same as they are expensive item. I bought it overseas. And I am not willing to part with them] Can we consider this as real change? We are still attach and have a sentimental opinion abt the need of having furnitures in the house. Dosent matter weather its an old or new furniture. Its still an attachment. An old values we hold dear to us. D] I will rebuilt this whole house. I will redo in a new design concept. The walls must be different too. I do not want my house to be walled in all sides, nor my windows to be stuffed. I want the sunlight to shine into our house in the morning and evening. This statement gives me something to think about. I went to a Shiva temple one day at Petaling Jaya, Malaysia. One of my favourite temples. Its located on top of a hill overlooking the whole petaling town. You can see Kuala Lumpur from there too. Its one of those temple with an open concept. No walls just pillars and the sanctum in strategic location. You can sit anywhere around from early morning to night, and able to witness the sun rises and sun set without having to move an inch from where you're sitting. You can feel the wind blows, sometimes from different directions. And as I sat there one day, I felt happy. I began to understand this wonderful feeling, the feeling of not to be wall around. You feel freedom. The ability to see the sun rise, sun set and the ability to stretch our your eyes as far as you can reach and all around you. >From my understanding transformation means a complete change in a person. You are never the same again. Your whole perception, attitude and outlook towards life and people around you are different. Perhaps the same idea as metamorphosis. > Moth to Butterfly??. Yes! I love the butterfly. One day my daughter relates this dream to me: MA last night I had a dream. I dreamt both of us in a beautiful garden, and you suddenly turn into a butterfly. Later I too become a butterfly and we both fly away together. I am always fascinated with the butterfly. They are perhaps the best example of this whole issue of change and transformation. The cycle of change starts right from the beginning, and each state as they are being transform : from the egg, to the caterpillar then the chrysalis and eventually a beautiful butterfly are all different. They are never the same. But where does the real transformation takes place? In the chrysalis? or when the butterfly emerged from the chrysalis? In order for the butterfly to actually complete the whole cycle, it must have the ability to break free from the chrysalis, to spread up its wing and fly away or it will die prematurely in the chrysalis. >> Then again i met him after almost an year, this guy was a diametrical opposite of whom i knew,he is now very calm, composed and always looks at the brighter side of things. Indeed. I knew of a young lady too. I met her at the Women's Aid Organization. We were working together on a community project for the Aborigines Community. She is beautiful, assertive, intelligent and manages her own small publishing company. But I know she is one of those victims of abuse, that is why she is at the center. The survivor and now trying to help other survivor to overcome their trauma. Nice girl but as the days pass, as we were driving towards the Aborigines settlement I sense anger in her, through her speech and her action. I decided to test her and to see how much she have recover. I found the trigger point, and immediately she went pouring. Everything I imagine her to be : that show of assertiveness, the confidence just crumple before me. That is how we are sometimes. We hide our pain and wound, and try to show our real change with mask. We just plastered our selves mask after mask. Mask are like the chrysalis. A protective material to cover us while we undergo transformation. But the real transformation is the ability to break this walls, and to spread our wings and eventually fly away towards our freedom. Freedom is the when there is nothing to loose. When there is no fear, even to face the very enemy that once hurt us. What are these walls? Our perceptions. our attitudes, our learnt behavior, the thoughts we inherited from our readings, our teachers/gurus? Don't know… I'm still toying with this idea. Real transformation is when we are willing to strip ourselves of everything? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 8, 2006 Report Share Posted October 8, 2006 > What are these walls? > Our perceptions. our attitudes, our learnt behavior, the thoughts we > inherited from our readings, our teachers/gurus? Don't know… I'm > still toying with this idea. > > Real transformation is when we are willing to strip ourselves of > everything? > Well said!. We all still have a ~long~ way to go huh?. Knowning the path and ~walking~ the path are different. Jai Mata Di regards Raghuveer Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 9, 2006 Report Share Posted October 9, 2006 , "yraghuveer" <yraghuveer wrote: > > > What are these walls? > > Our perceptions. our attitudes, our learnt behavior, the thoughts we > > inherited from our readings, our teachers/gurus? Don't know… I'm > > still toying with this idea. > > > > Real transformation is when we are willing to strip ourselves of > > everything? > > > > Well said!. > We all still have a ~long~ way to go huh?. Maybe? Does the path have a length? Must all journey have the end? If it does, where is the beginning and where is the end? > Knowning the path and ~walking~ the path are different. > We always have the choice. After knowing, do we want to go through the path? How much are we willing to forgo. How much are we willing to let go and remove our comfort zone, or we rather just expand it. Its rather scary isnt it. To remove the walls around us. Makes us feel very vulnerable. We fear of being rob even thought we know we have nothing valuable for others to rob us. But the most important I feel, there should be no regrets. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 29, 2006 Report Share Posted December 29, 2006 Hi, Devi you had posted this email long time back. I had written the reply but never posted it. Today I was going throught my emails and saw it. Though will click the send button.. On 10/5/06, NMadasamy <nmadasamy (AT) nmadasamy (DOT) com > wrote: > > > And somebody told me, change must be permanent. Yes! Indeed it must > be permanent. Is change then the same as Transformation? What do we > understand by the term CHANGE? Not sure what it means for others... But for me it means... A) Change is to have control over all my senses B) Change is to have control over prana and all other forms of airs. C) Change is to be like Guru Gorakhnatha and roam this earth and other planes of existance freely. D) Change is to be like Trijata Aghori and roam this earth and other planes of existance freely. E) Change is to be like Buddha, Adi Shankaracharya. F) Change is to be a healer so that people in pain and suffereings can be helped and healed. G) Change is to know and walk the path to truth so that other seekers/wanderlings can be helped. H) Change is to free myself from birth-death cycle. I) Change is to free myself from all karma, good or bad. J) Change is to be a "Siddha". K) Change is to do "Sakshtakar" (Meet Physically) with my mother, Godess Durga. L) Change is to be one with "That" (tat), so that the famous rule "Change is permanent" ceases to apply. Wonder if they all can be said using the word "Transformation"? But does it really matter what word is used to resepresent what, if the real meaning is understood? After all its just a word, and someone said "Action Speaks Louder Then Words." Regards Dp PS : If anyone wants to flame me, please flame me on the group, and not by sending an email directly to me... Off course for transer and receiivng of knowledge I am always open. PSS : Thanks for reading till this point.. lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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