[sri ramanuja] who is Vibishana

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Dear Swamin,

 

adiyEn's answers to selective questions:

 

Q: How can the same jeevathma simultaneously exist in the form of

two chiranjeevis.?

 

Please refer to chith prakaranam in mumukshuppadi. It clearly

mentions that one jeevaathma may exists with multiple bodies at the

same time.

 

Q: Secondly since the dwarabalakas returned to vaikuntam after the

third birth the muni kumara could not attain moksha?

 

Was the episode happening in Sri Vaikuntam? From what I know, this

episode happened in Thirupparkadal (Vyuham) which is in the Leela

Vibhuthi. One rational explanation to justify this would be that no

munikumara, why munikumara, no komban:) can enter Sri Vaikuntam just

like that with the mortal body. The dwarabalakas simply returned

back to Thirupparkadal, that is all, I guess.

 

Q:Thirdly why did the dwarabalakas take up the form of kshatria

mortals instead of asuras in the third birth?

 

In fact, Ravana and Kumbakarna were not kshatrias - they were born

for a Brahmana in the lineage of sage Pulastya(his son paulastya,

his son vaisrava, his son vaisranava etc)?!

 

Moreover, Asuramsam is a quality and is not a VARNAM. It is

sometimes attained by a curse too.

 

So all the three brothers were Brahmanas, but two of them as pre-

destined, acquired / possessed asura qualities and Vibheeshana was

the left out one, who, being born as a Brahmana, had no reason not

to be a Vishnu Bhakta.

 

In fact Ravana's sister Shoorpanaka also had asuramsam. Who would

have been she?

 

 

adiyEn,

rAmAnuja dAsan

 

ramanuja, Rajagopalan Narayan

<rajagopalannarayan wrote:

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> Although all 3 brothers were asuras why was Vibishana different

from his brothers and was a vishnu bhaktha? I had posed this doubt

to several upanyaskas and got a convincing answer from

sri.chakravarthy iyengar.

> Since sanathkumara cursed the dwarabalakas to be born on earth

for no crime commited and only following their duties Lord Naryana

punished the munikumara to suffer a similar fate ,to be born with

the dwarabalakas. The difference was that the two as per their

erquest were sworn enemies of the Lord while the munikumara

remained a Baktha. THis was vibishana and he was prahalada in the

previous birth and akroora in the next birth. I undrstand the basis

for this is found in Vishnudarma.

> This led to another doubt-Both vibishana and prahalada are

chiranjeevis. How can the same jeevathma simultaneously exist in

the form of two chiranjeevis.?

> Secondly since the dwarabalakas returned to vaikuntam after the

third birth the muni kumara could not attain moksha?

> Thirdly why did the dwarabalakas take up the form of kshatria

mortals instead of asuras in the third birth?Adiyens ignorance be

kindly pardoned by the members of the forum. dasan-narayanan

> Sri Narayandesikaya Namah

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