[sri ramanuja] Whether god is afraid of man?

October 8, 2006

Om sri ramanuja,

Where ever i am visiting temples i am finding devotees misbeheviour instead of their bhakthi. Every where money is visible from gate keepers to pradana archakaas. Infront of murthy also the priest is dancing according to the money the devotees offering them.

This is not a cheating, if they are not afraid of any one, won't they fear of even God also. Queue for free darshanam is very long and even one devotee also won't have darshnam after 2 to 3 hours. where as thousands can get darshnam with in seconds and can offer varieties of sevas infront of God by offering plenty of money to the temple's staff. They don't think of other devotees even for a while. not only these incidents there are so many which iritates every one, but no one take responsibility to correct the system.

actually i won't get angry because i want to leave every with freedom even f they are doing above such things. but in temples i am not able to control my anger and i want to correct this system.

can any body tell me whether my intension is correct or not

namosthuthe

shekar

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October 9, 2006

I had a similar experience in Srirangam temple. Recently I had been to

Srirangam for darshan. I nearly stood in the queue for more than one and

half hour. Just before main Sanctum, our queue was blocked for nearly

another 30 minutes and the temple staff allowed all and sundry through back

door. I had the darshan of Periya Perumal just for seconds before the

security and the archakas pushed me out. I could see the short cut people

have been provided space to stand and have darshan for more than 10 minutes.

I understood, if you have right connections, you get all facilities for

darshan and if you are an ordinary devotee, you need to wait endlessly to

have few seconds darshan of the lord.

Adiyen Ramanuja Dasan

S Mukundhan

On 10/8/06, shekar babu <prs_raaj (AT) (DOT) co.in> wrote:

>

> Om sri ramanuja,

>

> Where ever i am visiting temples i am finding devotees misbeheviour

> instead of their bhakthi. Every where money is visible from gate keepers to

> pradana archakaas. Infront of murthy also the priest is dancing according

> to the money the devotees offering them.

>

> This is not a cheating, if they are not afraid of any one, won't they fear

> of even God also. Queue for free darshanam is very long and even one

> devotee also won't have darshnam after 2 to 3 hours. where as thousands can

> get darshnam with in seconds and can offer varieties of sevas infront of God

> by offering plenty of money to the temple's staff. They don't think of

> other devotees even for a while. not only these incidents there are so many

> which iritates every one, but no one take responsibility to correct the

> system.

>

> actually i won't get angry because i want to leave every with freedom even

> f they are doing above such things. but in temples i am not able to control

> my anger and i want to correct this system.

>

> can any body tell me whether my intension is correct or not

>

> namosthuthe

>

> shekar

>

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October 9, 2006

Dear Swamin

You are correct in your views but dont get angry which may laed to unwanted incidents .You should pity onthem since they get the curse of thousands devotees like you.

This also gods creation .We can only try to create the awarenes since we dont have the power to stop such corruption

srinivasan

shekar babu <prs_raaj (AT) (DOT) co.in> wrote:

Om sri ramanuja,

Where ever i am visiting temples i am finding devotees misbeheviour instead of their bhakthi. Every where money is visible from gate keepers to pradana archakaas. Infront of murthy also the priest is dancing according to the money the devotees offering them.

This is not a cheating, if they are not afraid of any one, won't they fear of even God also. Queue for free darshanam is very long and even one devotee also won't have darshnam after 2 to 3 hours. where as thousands can get darshnam with in seconds and can offer varieties of sevas infront of God by offering plenty of money to the temple's staff. They don't think of other devotees even for a while. not only these incidents there are so many which iritates every one, but no one take responsibility to correct the system.

actually i won't get angry because i want to leave every with freedom even f they are doing above such things. but in temples i am not able to control my anger and i want to correct this system.

can any body tell me whether my intension is correct or not

namosthuthe

shekar

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October 9, 2006

Dear swamin

I was listening to some pravachanam recently. It goes

like this "People who might be in Calcutta, who can

take bath in Ganges flowing there every day, will go

to kAsi and gayA to take bath on Ganges. Since they

heard that taking bath on Ganges in kAsi and gayA is

sacred and wash off their sins. If that is the case,

those who stay in kAsi and gayA should not have any

sins on them and should not suffer by taking rebirth.

Actually the reason behind going to Ganges especially

to kAsi (any tHEertHayAtrA) is if we are lucky due to

God's mercy, we will meet some enlightened souls and

receive their blessings towards relinquishing the

attachment to these material world and realize the

purpose behind one's life. This is because in the

olden days that was considered important than going

and touch the ganges and come back. But they put it in

indirect way to force people to travel their".

Similar logic is applied here also. People from

Chennai near Tiruvallikeni Sri. Parthasarathy temple

will go to SriRangam and pay Rs 50/- or more and have

special darshanam since they cannot wait in queue to

have darshan of Lord, they will justify that they have

humpteen reasons to do like that. The point they miss

is God is not a show piece but a being sitting and

judging all our actions inside and out. Secondly the

Godliness is to be exhibited not just on the side of

the diety but on our side too as we are particles of

him, otherwise how to communicate with him when our

language is different, why there are very few pure

devotees like AlwArs and when AlwArs were able to see

God in stone and every thing arround them, many who

serve in that same temple every day do not have an

impact and tend to accept money and treat people

differently.

Bottom line is our bHavA due to His mercy which

propels a person near to him. Otherwise, any one can

be near or farer from him, and there will be no

impact. Hence one should not be worried about it or

affected by it. It is to be understood, that this is

the level of godly qualities the persons incharge of

that place of worship has.

Seeing from the other angle, we need to get the

temples out of the clutches of the Government. The

pollution this is causing is so much that it affects

those families that are for generations did pious

activities to continue as Bhattars and their recent

generations because of the mix doing all non-sense

forgetting their ancestor's life.

adiyen Ramanuja dasan

Suresh

--- Alwar Srinivasan <vasan682003 > wrote:

> Dear Swamin

> You are correct in your views but dont get angry

> which may laed to unwanted incidents .You should

> pity onthem since they get the curse of thousands

> devotees like you.

> This also gods creation .We can only try to create

> the awarenes since we dont have the power to stop

> such corruption

> srinivasan

>

> shekar babu <prs_raaj (AT) (DOT) co.in> wrote:

> Om sri ramanuja,

>

> Where ever i am visiting temples i am finding

> devotees misbeheviour instead of their bhakthi.

> Every where money is visible from gate keepers to

> pradana archakaas. Infront of murthy also the

> priest is dancing according to the money the

> devotees offering them.

>

> This is not a cheating, if they are not afraid of

> any one, won't they fear of even God also. Queue

> for free darshanam is very long and even one devotee

> also won't have darshnam after 2 to 3 hours. where

> as thousands can get darshnam with in seconds and

> can offer varieties of sevas infront of God by

> offering plenty of money to the temple's staff.

> They don't think of other devotees even for a while.

> not only these incidents there are so many which

> iritates every one, but no one take responsibility

> to correct the system.

>

> actually i won't get angry because i want to leave

> every with freedom even f they are doing above such

> things. but in temples i am not able to control my

> anger and i want to correct this system.

>

> can any body tell me whether my intension is

> correct or not

>

> namosthuthe

>

> shekar

>

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October 10, 2006

Dear Sekhar,

Now-a-days peoples dont find time to visit and have

darshan of Lord in a leisure manner. As like their

busy

work schedule, they want to have a quick darshan and

leave the temple immediately. Only because of this,

there is lot of problems in all the temples whether

its

a Thirupathi or any small temple. According to

adiyEns'

view, this trend should be changed. Everyone from the

family has to visit the temple often in leisure, and

spend the whole day in any divyadesam by remembering

that divyadesa vaibhavam or alwars pasurams.

But if you ask personally to any peoples they will

tell, there is no time to spend leisure way in temples

as they were engaged with some works. So, fault is not

only with archkAs or temple authorities. The fault is

also with the peoples coming to have darshan.

The second reason is that, in the olden days, the

temples ran without any financial problems due to

generous offering from publics and the government. But

now, the situation is worse. Except for some of the

divyadesams like Sri Rangam, Thirupathi, most of the

divyadesams were depending upon the donors

(ubayadhArar's) of high-class peoples Hence whenever,

those persons visit the corresponding temples, the

archakAs has to pay their due respects to those

donors.

One incident happened in thirukadalmallai divyadesam

(adiyEns place).

While some peoples were standing in queue for darshan,

one donor with his family members came to temple for

darshan. Immediately, the archakAs responded them and

done all upachArams and explained clearly the

importance of divyadesam and offered prasAdams. By

watching this, the person who stood in the line,

commented that, “archakAs will do service only for

rich

peoples, and they are also longing for money!”.

Upon hearing this, the archaka replied “They had done

many kainkaryam to this temple including Utsavams,

nandavanam maintenance etc.,. Hence we gave respects

to

them when they visit this temple. Why can't you stand

for sometime?, since you came to have darshan of

Lord.” The peoples has to appreciate those who done

some kaimkaryams in running the temples. Adiyen

requests the public to appreciate the peoples who

involved in servicing the temples like sponsoring the

utsavams, poojas etc.,

One more common incident in this divyadesam

(thirukadal

mallai) is that, here the temple authority used to

charge for the entrance, since this (Mahabalipuram) is

a tourist place. The motive behind this is that, this

may helpful in running the temple for giving salaries

to workers, maintenance etc.,. But when the tourists

asked for the entrance tickets, immediately they will

reciprocate and started commenting “why should I pay

money for entering into the temple? This is very

uncommon and should not be followed in temples”. Only

these kind of poeples will comment, if any donors is

given respects inside the temple by the archakAs.

The peoples doesnt have patience in waiting in queue

for some time. Always in hurried ! Hurried!!

Hurried!!!

Adiyen couldnt find any, and what they are going to

achieve in this hurried world except having darshan of

Lord?

AdiyEns suggestions:

Why cant we utilise the waiting time in queue for

chanting his namAs or remembering his kalyAna gunAs.

When adiyEn stood in a queue, adiyEn could find the

peoples chatting all except about emperumAn's lilAs or

nAmAs. Instead of watching around and cursing others

of

their misbehaviour, utilise the most valuable time in

HIS place by remembering his nAmA,swaroopam or lilAs.

Thank HIM for HIS grace on bringing us to have darshan

during our life.

A good example is that, in life of VivekAnandar, when

he was a boy and resides in Ramakrishna Paramahamsar

ashram, VivekAnandar was chatting with his friends.

At that time, Ramakrishna Paramahamsar entered there

and asked about their discussions. They replied that,

they were commenting about the boy who is not good!.

Immediately Ramakrishnar says that "Who is good in

this

world? Everyone is weak in certain issues. Thats why

we took rebirth in this dark world. DONT WASTE YOUR

VALUABLE TIME IN FINDING FAULT WITH OTHERS!!. Utilise

by remembering the God always. Once the time lost, we

cant retrieve it."

Actually the peoples thronging to the temple DO NOT

follows certain rules like:

1)Those who come with children's, they let their child

play inside the temple premises, making sound, cry

inside the sanctum.

2)Sometimes adiyEn could watch their parents bring

their cellphones inside the temples.

3.Even if we see someone writing on the walls, we are

least bother about the things happening. Many times

when adiyEn had darshan of Sri RengaNAchiyAr at Sri

Rangam, could see peoples writing (drawing?!) on the

walls or pillars with the Manjal prasAdham. They dont

know about the value of that prasAdham. Many times

adiyEn adviced such kind of peoples and let them know

the value of that.

Like the above we can point out many such issues with

the devotees who throng to the temples.......

Finally adiyEn would advice that, please dont waste

your valuable time inside the temples, as we cant go

and have darshan daily in temples like Sri Rangam ,or

Thirupathi, etc., REMEMBER HIM ALWAYS THANK HIM

ALWAYS.

AdiyEn,

senthil.b

--- shekar babu <prs_raaj (AT) (DOT) co.in> wrote:

> Om sri ramanuja,

>

> Where ever i am visiting temples i am finding

> devotees misbeheviour instead of their bhakthi.

> Every where money is visible from gate keepers to

> pradana archakaas. Infront of murthy also the

> priest is dancing according to the money the

> devotees offering them.

>

> This is not a cheating, if they are not afraid of

> any one, won't they fear of even God also. Queue

> for free darshanam is very long and even one devotee

> also won't have darshnam after 2 to 3 hours. where

> as thousands can get darshnam with in seconds and

> can offer varieties of sevas infront of God by

> offering plenty of money to the temple's staff.

> They don't think of other devotees even for a while.

> not only these incidents there are so many which

> iritates every one, but no one take responsibility

> to correct the system.

>

> actually i won't get angry because i want to leave

> every with freedom even f they are doing above such

> things. but in temples i am not able to control my

> anger and i want to correct this system.

>

> can any body tell me whether my intension is

> correct or not

>

> namosthuthe

>

> shekar

>

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October 10, 2006

Dear Sri Senthil,

I agree with what you say regarding visiting temples at leisurely pace.

This reminds me of a small incident narrated in Edu 10-2-2

kedumiDar thriuvAimohzi."kunRu sEar mADa .."

Sri Parasara bhattar was just going around the Tiru-ananthapuram temple at a leisurely

pace viewing the structures and beauties around. Some people were speeding -circumambulating the temple.

'..allAdhArellAm viraindhu sadakkena vArA niRka, ivargaL thriumALigaigaLaiyum, thiru-k-kOpurangaLaiyum kaNNAlEa parguvAraip pOLEa.."

Unlike others who just speeded and came around, Sri PiLLaith thriunaRaiyUr araiyar were strolling at a leisurely pace and staring at the divine structures and the GOpuram-s as if devouring these by their eyes.

However, as regards children playing inside the temple:

Children playing in temple premises is not a new thing. IN fact EmprumAn likes it.

Sri Nam AzhwAr celebrates the ceaseless din of the children playing at the altars of Sri Magara nEdum kuzhai kAdhan of then tiruppEarai.

'..piLLai kuzhA viLayAttOLiyum aRA then tiruppEArai' 7-3-1 of TiruvAimozhi.

adiyEan dAsan

vanamamalai padmanabhan