Guest guest Posted October 9, 2006 Report Share Posted October 9, 2006 Hello Dear Wendy and List, A friend called with questions regarding gems for her husband's chart. I am always very cautious of gems for remedial measures as to me it seems a bit complicated in individual charts for certainty of beneficial use of gems. Chart details: July 9, 1949, 13:23:29, Chicago, IL. Her reason for calling is that her husband was awarded a diamond for success in a business endeavor. Considering this award, it is interesting in his chart that Venus is in his 11H of gains and 2H from his work. This was given to him this past August, and just checking the transits shows that TVenus was also in his 11H during most of August. Or if this was the first week in August, his placements 10H Sun and 11H Venus would have in transit both been in an exchange, both exactly on each other's natal placement. He was in Ju/Ju at the time. TJupiter in 2H Libra, Venus sign, giving 9H aspect onto his 10H. Natal Jupiter is in 5H giving 7H aspect onto his natal Venus as well as this 11th house. He has been counseled via Maharishi Jyotish to wear a sapphire, and I'm assuming a yellow sapphire as Jupiter is neecha (although receiving cancellation) in his chart. However lagna is Virgo, with then Mercury as lord. Jupiter is in 5H, with Mercury in own 10H, so Jupiter is enemy to lagna lord in this chart. Wendy, at your web site regarding gems you state, ".if they're involved in a hostile relationship with another planet and the trikona is not their moolatrikona sign, one must exercise caution as to wear the gem during the dasa of the planet it's hostile to could be detrimental to significations of that planet." I'm quoting your thoughts above due to Venus and Jupiter are enemies in this chart, with Venus being a great enemy to Jupiter. Venus owns 2rd and 9th houses, 2rd being moolatrikona house. Current Mahadasa is Jupiter. Interestingly, as well as unfortunately, following the award of this diamond, my friend, chart native's wife, suffered serious back problems and intense pain following a visit to a chiropractor and remains completely laid up unable to move or walk for over a month. Her husband's 7H, Pisces, is owned by Jupiter. (This is however his second marriage - do you personally then Wendy use a different house? I have seen before others then taking 8H from 7th - 2nd house for second marriage. My thoughts are still that 7H is very important and house I use for this relationship. Would love to hear your general thoughts on this as well.) Separately from the gem issue, looking solely from the husband's chart, it isn't surprising that there might be an issue with her back while he is in Ju/Ju, and Jupiter is in transit in Libra, sign given for lower half of the back along with 7H and Venus. And as stated Jupiter owns his 7H. (But I do find this intriguing that he had been given and wore this diamond and her back problem developed following this.) Considering all the above, it would seem wearing a diamond to be detrimental in this chart and particularly at this time in Ju/Ju. Really at any time due Venus moolatrikona house is 2H, as well as relationship with Ju and Ve in this chart, Ju state of neechabhanga, and as well natal positions giving 7H aspect onto one another. And again, even more so for wife considering 7H, and Venus owns then 3rd and 8th houses from 7th. I'm trying to learn more and more with respect to gems as these questions are quite common and I wish to always gain a more full understanding. Separately, in this chart Venus and Mars are both in MB degree and should be strengthened as well, but via other measures. Thanks for any thoughts Wendy, if you find the time - as I know you are too busy and away from list right now. I hope you are able to get to some other things there and are enjoying this time away. All best wishes, Patrice Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 9, 2006 Report Share Posted October 9, 2006 Dear Patrice, In the chart Venus is being subject to papakartari yoga, hemmed in between Sun, the 12th Lord and Saturn the 5th & 6th Lord who are Within a radius of 30 degrees around Venus. Mercury falls outside though still in the 10th. Venus will pick up the influences of the 12th Lord and Saturn. Regards arun Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 9, 2006 Report Share Posted October 9, 2006 Dear Arun, Thank you for your thoughts on this and pointing out this papakartari yoga. I very much appreciate your response on this. Taking your thoughts then on this chart, it would point more so to the wearing of this diamond as a contributing factor in his wife's recent back problem. Sun and Leo, and 5H all also general indicators for back. This along with Saturn as you point out ruling the 5H, moolatrikona house for Saturn, and native in Jupiter maha and bhukti dasa, natal Jupiter in this 5H. Also 6H with this Saturn lord, is 12H from his 7th house with 6Hco-ruler, Rahu, also located in 7H, both by natal and transit charts. It's very interesting to see how you have viewed this Arun - many thanks. I have such appreciation for our list and the opportunity to see how others use Jyotish and the different skills and views. It's good to hear your thoughts regarding Venus and therefore the wearing of this diamond. Kindest regards, Patrice ______________ Dear Patrice, In the chart Venus is being subject to papakartari yoga, hemmed in between Sun, the 12th Lord and Saturn the 5th & 6th Lord who are Within a radius of 30 degrees around Venus. Mercury falls outside though still in the 10th. Venus will pick up the influences of the 12th Lord and Saturn. Regards arun Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 11, 2006 Report Share Posted October 11, 2006 Dear Patrice, I'll take a look at the chart tomorrow (God willing)...should be pretty much caught up with things here by then. Best Wishes, Mrs. Wendy http://JyotishVidya.com jyotish-vidya ___ - "Patrice Curry" <patricecurry (AT) adelphia (DOT) net> <jyotish-vidya> Monday, October 09, 2006 5:51 PM Gems Hello Dear Wendy and List, A friend called with questions regarding gems for her husband's chart. I am always very cautious of gems for remedial measures as to me it seems a bit complicated in individual charts for certainty of beneficial use of gems. Chart details: July 9, 1949, 13:23:29, Chicago, IL. Her reason for calling is that her husband was awarded a diamond for success in a business endeavor. Considering this award, it is interesting in his chart that Venus is in his 11H of gains and 2H from his work. This was given to him this past August, and just checking the transits shows that TVenus was also in his 11H during most of August. Or if this was the first week in August, his placements 10H Sun and 11H Venus would have in transit both been in an exchange, both exactly on each other's natal placement. He was in Ju/Ju at the time. TJupiter in 2H Libra, Venus sign, giving 9H aspect onto his 10H. Natal Jupiter is in 5H giving 7H aspect onto his natal Venus as well as this 11th house. He has been counseled via Maharishi Jyotish to wear a sapphire, and I'm assuming a yellow sapphire as Jupiter is neecha (although receiving cancellation) in his chart. However lagna is Virgo, with then Mercury as lord. Jupiter is in 5H, with Mercury in own 10H, so Jupiter is enemy to lagna lord in this chart. Wendy, at your web site regarding gems you state, ".if they're involved in a hostile relationship with another planet and the trikona is not their moolatrikona sign, one must exercise caution as to wear the gem during the dasa of the planet it's hostile to could be detrimental to significations of that planet." I'm quoting your thoughts above due to Venus and Jupiter are enemies in this chart, with Venus being a great enemy to Jupiter. Venus owns 2rd and 9th houses, 2rd being moolatrikona house. Current Mahadasa is Jupiter. Interestingly, as well as unfortunately, following the award of this diamond, my friend, chart native's wife, suffered serious back problems and intense pain following a visit to a chiropractor and remains completely laid up unable to move or walk for over a month. Her husband's 7H, Pisces, is owned by Jupiter. (This is however his second marriage - do you personally then Wendy use a different house? I have seen before others then taking 8H from 7th - 2nd house for second marriage. My thoughts are still that 7H is very important and house I use for this relationship. Would love to hear your general thoughts on this as well.) Separately from the gem issue, looking solely from the husband's chart, it isn't surprising that there might be an issue with her back while he is in Ju/Ju, and Jupiter is in transit in Libra, sign given for lower half of the back along with 7H and Venus. And as stated Jupiter owns his 7H. (But I do find this intriguing that he had been given and wore this diamond and her back problem developed following this.) Considering all the above, it would seem wearing a diamond to be detrimental in this chart and particularly at this time in Ju/Ju. Really at any time due Venus moolatrikona house is 2H, as well as relationship with Ju and Ve in this chart, Ju state of neechabhanga, and as well natal positions giving 7H aspect onto one another. And again, even more so for wife considering 7H, and Venus owns then 3rd and 8th houses from 7th. I'm trying to learn more and more with respect to gems as these questions are quite common and I wish to always gain a more full understanding. Separately, in this chart Venus and Mars are both in MB degree and should be strengthened as well, but via other measures. Thanks for any thoughts Wendy, if you find the time - as I know you are too busy and away from list right now. I hope you are able to get to some other things there and are enjoying this time away. All best wishes, Patrice Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 12, 2006 Report Share Posted October 12, 2006 Dear Patrice, Sorry for the delay...I've only now finished the project I've worked on day and night and about to burn it to DVD...thought I'd NEVER finish. Now quite exhausted but thought I should take a look at this chart before I switch off. This chart presents an interesting situation as the karaka for 7th (Venus) is inimical to 7th lord (Jupiter)...and, with Rahu in 7th, married life is sure to have its share of ups and downs. Even though Venus owns 9th I would not recommend diamond. I feel strongly that when we prescribe Gems we take on a huge responsibility and the first consideration (always) should be "Never to do harm". A good rule of thumb is not to recommend if there is the slightest doubt whatsoever, and, in this case, there is certainly enough doubt to advise against a diamond. Best Wishes, Mrs. Wendy http://JyotishVidya.com jyotish-vidya ___ - "Wendy Vasicek" <jyotish (AT) optusnet (DOT) com.au> <jyotish-vidya> Wednesday, October 11, 2006 5:34 PM Re: Gems Dear Patrice, I'll take a look at the chart tomorrow (God willing)...should be pretty much caught up with things here by then. Best Wishes, Mrs. Wendy http://JyotishVidya.com jyotish-vidya ___ - "Patrice Curry" <patricecurry (AT) adelphia (DOT) net> <jyotish-vidya> Monday, October 09, 2006 5:51 PM Gems Hello Dear Wendy and List, A friend called with questions regarding gems for her husband's chart. I am always very cautious of gems for remedial measures as to me it seems a bit complicated in individual charts for certainty of beneficial use of gems. Chart details: July 9, 1949, 13:23:29, Chicago, IL. Her reason for calling is that her husband was awarded a diamond for success in a business endeavor. Considering this award, it is interesting in his chart that Venus is in his 11H of gains and 2H from his work. This was given to him this past August, and just checking the transits shows that TVenus was also in his 11H during most of August. Or if this was the first week in August, his placements 10H Sun and 11H Venus would have in transit both been in an exchange, both exactly on each other's natal placement. He was in Ju/Ju at the time. TJupiter in 2H Libra, Venus sign, giving 9H aspect onto his 10H. Natal Jupiter is in 5H giving 7H aspect onto his natal Venus as well as this 11th house. He has been counseled via Maharishi Jyotish to wear a sapphire, and I'm assuming a yellow sapphire as Jupiter is neecha (although receiving cancellation) in his chart. However lagna is Virgo, with then Mercury as lord. Jupiter is in 5H, with Mercury in own 10H, so Jupiter is enemy to lagna lord in this chart. Wendy, at your web site regarding gems you state, ".if they're involved in a hostile relationship with another planet and the trikona is not their moolatrikona sign, one must exercise caution as to wear the gem during the dasa of the planet it's hostile to could be detrimental to significations of that planet." I'm quoting your thoughts above due to Venus and Jupiter are enemies in this chart, with Venus being a great enemy to Jupiter. Venus owns 2rd and 9th houses, 2rd being moolatrikona house. Current Mahadasa is Jupiter. Interestingly, as well as unfortunately, following the award of this diamond, my friend, chart native's wife, suffered serious back problems and intense pain following a visit to a chiropractor and remains completely laid up unable to move or walk for over a month. Her husband's 7H, Pisces, is owned by Jupiter. (This is however his second marriage - do you personally then Wendy use a different house? I have seen before others then taking 8H from 7th - 2nd house for second marriage. My thoughts are still that 7H is very important and house I use for this relationship. Would love to hear your general thoughts on this as well.) Separately from the gem issue, looking solely from the husband's chart, it isn't surprising that there might be an issue with her back while he is in Ju/Ju, and Jupiter is in transit in Libra, sign given for lower half of the back along with 7H and Venus. And as stated Jupiter owns his 7H. (But I do find this intriguing that he had been given and wore this diamond and her back problem developed following this.) Considering all the above, it would seem wearing a diamond to be detrimental in this chart and particularly at this time in Ju/Ju. Really at any time due Venus moolatrikona house is 2H, as well as relationship with Ju and Ve in this chart, Ju state of neechabhanga, and as well natal positions giving 7H aspect onto one another. And again, even more so for wife considering 7H, and Venus owns then 3rd and 8th houses from 7th. I'm trying to learn more and more with respect to gems as these questions are quite common and I wish to always gain a more full understanding. Separately, in this chart Venus and Mars are both in MB degree and should be strengthened as well, but via other measures. Thanks for any thoughts Wendy, if you find the time - as I know you are too busy and away from list right now. I hope you are able to get to some other things there and are enjoying this time away. All best wishes, Patrice Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 12, 2006 Report Share Posted October 12, 2006 Dear Patrice Key features of the chart are Vargottama Ascendant, Rahu and Ketu. Mercury the Lagna Lord is weakest in Shadbala, but has 4 favourable vergas (Dasaverga) and is also subject to papakartari yoga between 8th Lord Mars and 12th Lord Sun on the other. Sun the 12th Lord is the strongest in Shadbala and Venus the 2nd and 9th Lord is 2nd in Shadbala. Therefore the effect of Sun and Venus will be strongest on all the Bhavas they influence. Lagna is along the Ketu-Rahu axis. Though the lagna Lord is in Bhadra Mahapurusha yoga it is afflicted and least capable of making an impact because of its lack of shadbala strength. 7th house analysis: 7th house is occupied by Vargottama Rahu. 7th lord Jupiter is Retro and debility cancelled and its Kendra ownership affliction is neutralised by its 5th house position. But Jupiter is 6th in shadbala. 7th from the moon: 7th lord mercury with Kendra ownership affliction is positioned in the 7th (conjunct the 9th Lord Sun). Mercury's placement in the 7th is detrimental to its signification. Sun as the 9th lord is a benefic but generally its placement in the 7th results in a dominating relationship with partner. The natural significator of marriage is being subject to papakartari yoga. In the Navamsa chart, 7th lord is again Jupiter but positioned in the 7th which is adverse. Rahu conjuncts Jupiter and the 7th and 8th are aspected by mars in the navamsa The effects of Sun and Venus on the affairs of the 7th house will predominate as they are strongest in shadbala. The quality of the relationship will be effected adversely as Venus is afflicted and Rahu occupies. The 8th house, which to a large extend controls the longevity of any marriage, is affliction free. But the afflictions on the 7th in Rasi and the 8th house in Navamsa seems to have produced more than one marriage. Appeasing Using Gems: Lagna and Venus should not be appeased through gems. Jupiter does have some defects which have been neutralised in Rasi. But he is in full sambanda (relationship) with Venus and he is still afflicted in Navamsa. Therefore gem therapy for Jupiter may produce negative results. I am still looking to understand the effect of the diamond on the spouse. regards arun Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 12, 2006 Report Share Posted October 12, 2006 Dear Wendy, Thank you so much for your time on this chart, and for your thoughts and views. I am intrigued to know what your project is and what has had you inspired day and night ;-) and appreciate your looking at this chart before switching off for needed rest. I agree completely with your feeling: when we prescribe Gems we take on a huge responsibility. I am happy to see your thoughts are along my own on this chart as I work to fully understand Gems due to I am frequently asked questions regarding Gems in a native's chart. And also many people have Gems in their lives separately from Jyotish, such as in this case where it is a gift, but still this needs to be considered for wearing them. Also it's important to get more understanding, as if a Gem is helpful without harm in a chart, it can be a good remedy. With the cost of Gems what they are, I also find people with no ill intentions but wanting to be in the Gem business and promoting Gems, so having a full understanding to provide for discriminating in each chart is quite important in practice. As with everything in Jyotish - another layer in wholistically understanding the planets, their relationships, and individual charts. Here is something interesting: I've spoken with the native of chart recently, and it is a blue sapphire that he was told to wear, not the yellow sapphire I had assumed. Hmmmmm. moolatrikona for Saturn is 6H, with a neecha Jupiter in Saturn's 5H. No clue as to why someone would prescribe a Gem for Saturn. Saturn's position in chart makes him enemy to Jupiter, which he deposits in 5H, which would mean enemy to Rahu in 7H as well if we take Rahu's lord for discerning relationships in chart. Also enemy to Moon in 4H and owns 11th, and in Jupiter's sign. This is interesting in chart and current transits as Moon is great enemy to Saturn, and Saturn currently in Cancer. Considering his wife and current situation for her, this again 5H from 7th house, 5H back in general, and natal chart Venus as karaka for wife in this house. And 12 houses from natural 5H and Leo (as general significators for back), as well as natal Saturn's position. Another interesting thing on this chart is the parivartana of Sun and Jupiter at the nakshatra level. This again contributing to situation for wife during JU/JU dasa. And also interesting given his great success in career at this time with natal Jupiter in 5H, natal Sun in 10H. Many thanks dear Wendy. Kindest regards, Patrice _____ Dear Patrice, Sorry for the delay...I've only now finished the project I've worked on day and night and about to burn it to DVD...thought I'd NEVER finish. Now quite exhausted but thought I should take a look at this chart before I switch off. This chart presents an interesting situation as the karaka for 7th (Venus) is inimical to 7th lord (Jupiter)...and, with Rahu in 7th, married life is sure to have its share of ups and downs. Even though Venus owns 9th I would not recommend diamond. I feel strongly that when we prescribe Gems we take on a huge responsibility and the first consideration (always) should be "Never to do harm". A good rule of thumb is not to recommend if there is the slightest doubt whatsoever, and, in this case, there is certainly enough doubt to advise against a diamond. Best Wishes, Mrs. Wendy http://JyotishVidya <http://JyotishVidya.com> .com http://groups. <jyotish-vidya> jyotish-vidya ___ .. <http://geo./serv?s=97359714/grpId=14388628/grpspId=1705082690/msgI d=4229/stime=1160667396/nc1=3848643/nc2=3848571/nc3=3848584> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 12, 2006 Report Share Posted October 12, 2006 Hi Dear Arun, Wow! Thank you for your analysis on this chart and all your thoughts and work. I appreciate your participation on this and your post showing your clear thoughts and reasoning. Also it is helpful to see you too have come to the same conclusion regarding native should not wear a diamond for Venus. Check my last post on this addressing Wendy too regarding it was blue sapphire versus yellow sapphire which was prescribed to him via Maharishi Jyotish. I don't know why someone would prescribe a gem for Saturn in this chart due to all the reasons I listed in that post. We can see that Saturn's owns the trikona 5H, is deposited in 12H, and Jupiter is enemy to Saturn and deposited in this house. Saturn becomes friend to lagnesh Mercury in this chart. Still however looking wholistically at this chart, I would not expect one to give advice for wearing blue sapphire. Moolatrikona house for Saturn is the 6H. Also do we consider activating the house where a planet sits when considering gems, here Saturn being the 12H?? Perhaps thinking was Saturn as significator of grief, loss, delays, etc. in 12H of loss is "loss of loss".. Having said all the above in questioning this, I find the reasons I mentioned in post to Wendy important in not prescribing Gem for Saturn. I mention the above just in light of a discussion/learning on this. Thanks Arun, kindest regards, Patrice _____ Dear Patrice Key features of the chart are Vargottama Ascendant, Rahu and Ketu. Mercury the Lagna Lord is weakest in Shadbala, but has 4 favourable vergas (Dasaverga) and is also subject to papakartari yoga between 8th Lord Mars and 12th Lord Sun on the other. Sun the 12th Lord is the strongest in Shadbala and Venus the 2nd and 9th Lord is 2nd in Shadbala. Therefore the effect of Sun and Venus will be strongest on all the Bhavas they influence. Lagna is along the Ketu-Rahu axis. Though the lagna Lord is in Bhadra Mahapurusha yoga it is afflicted and least capable of making an impact because of its lack of shadbala strength. 7th house analysis: 7th house is occupied by Vargottama Rahu. 7th lord Jupiter is Retro and debility cancelled and its Kendra ownership affliction is neutralised by its 5th house position. But Jupiter is 6th in shadbala. 7th from the moon: 7th lord mercury with Kendra ownership affliction is positioned in the 7th (conjunct the 9th Lord Sun). Mercury's placement in the 7th is detrimental to its signification. Sun as the 9th lord is a benefic but generally its placement in the 7th results in a dominating relationship with partner. The natural significator of marriage is being subject to papakartari yoga. In the Navamsa chart, 7th lord is again Jupiter but positioned in the 7th which is adverse. Rahu conjuncts Jupiter and the 7th and 8th are aspected by mars in the navamsa The effects of Sun and Venus on the affairs of the 7th house will predominate as they are strongest in shadbala. The quality of the relationship will be effected adversely as Venus is afflicted and Rahu occupies. The 8th house, which to a large extend controls the longevity of any marriage, is affliction free. But the afflictions on the 7th in Rasi and the 8th house in Navamsa seems to have produced more than one marriage. Appeasing Using Gems: Lagna and Venus should not be appeased through gems. Jupiter does have some defects which have been neutralised in Rasi. But he is in full sambanda (relationship) with Venus and he is still afflicted in Navamsa. Therefore gem therapy for Jupiter may produce negative results. I am still looking to understand the effect of the diamond on the spouse. regards arun Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 12, 2006 Report Share Posted October 12, 2006 Dear Wendy and Arun, Thinking further on this, Saturn is in Subha Yoga, being moolatrikona house of Saturn in native's chart is 6H, dustana house, with Saturn located in another dustana house, 12th . I've forgotten the name of this Yoga at the moment. but this is considered a great yoga, could this too be the reason for prescribing Gem for Saturn in this chart? What are your thoughts? Best wishes, Patrice Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 13, 2006 Report Share Posted October 13, 2006 Dear Patrice, As dusthana lord is placed in another dusthana it's Vipareeta Raja Yoga. It denotes success after initial struggle and loss of others /enemies/- but I've never heard of prescribing the gem for such a planet-particularly Sa! It seems too risky to me-who and why is supposed to be strenghten? Enemies loss? Like to hear more from others, as well. Regards, Anna Patrice Curry <patricecurry (AT) adelphia (DOT) net> wrote: Dear Wendy and Arun, Thinking further on this, Saturn is in Subha Yoga, being moolatrikona house of Saturn in native's chart is 6H, dustana house, with Saturn located in another dustana house, 12th . I've forgotten the name of this Yoga at the moment. but this is considered a great yoga, could this too be the reason for prescribing Gem for Saturn in this chart? What are your thoughts? Best wishes, Patrice Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 13, 2006 Report Share Posted October 13, 2006 Dear Patrice, The yoga of the 6th Lord in the 6th, 8th or 12th is called Harsha yoga producing good results. But, there is a down side to it. Saturn the example we are discussing is also the 5th Lord and therefore if we wear Gems for Saturn, the negative effects of the 5th in the 12th will also get magnified. 5th ruling children, creativity, mantra, guru etc. we may expect unfortunate happening in these areas regards arun jyotish-vidya, "Patrice Curry" <patricecurry wrote: > > Dear Wendy and Arun, > > > > Thinking further on this, Saturn is in Subha Yoga, being moolatrikona house > of Saturn in native's chart is 6H, dustana house, with Saturn located in > another dustana house, 12th . I've forgotten the name of this Yoga at the > moment. but this is considered a great yoga, could this too be the reason > for prescribing Gem for Saturn in this chart? > > > > What are your thoughts? > > > > Best wishes, > > Patrice > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 13, 2006 Report Share Posted October 13, 2006 Dear Patrice, Arun and All, I feel certain the reason the pundits prescribed Saturn's gem is to ward off (possible) ill effects for progeny and spouse. 5th lord Saturn, dispositor of 7th lord Jupiter, enjoys only middling strength in 12th (neutral). This placement can be detrimental for the well-being of spouse and children...strengthening 5th lord (obviously) strengthens the significations of 5th house etc.. Can you tell me if this native's spouse and/or children suffer difficulties/health problems etc. Bear in mind 5th lord occupies 8th from 5th. Saturn bhukti commences shortly (24 Nov) and any assistance given to Saturn is advisable. Yes, Saturn is inimical to Jupiter but, unlike Venus, there is no direct aspect; besides Saturn is Jupiter's dispositor and, as we know, the significations of an afflicted graha are improved if its dispositor has strength... Best Wishes, Mrs. Wendy http://JyotishVidya.com jyotish-vidya ___ - "Patrice Curry" <patricecurry (AT) adelphia (DOT) net> <jyotish-vidya> Friday, October 13, 2006 5:47 AM RE: Re: Gems Dear Wendy and Arun, Thinking further on this, Saturn is in Subha Yoga, being moolatrikona house of Saturn in native's chart is 6H, dustana house, with Saturn located in another dustana house, 12th . I've forgotten the name of this Yoga at the moment. but this is considered a great yoga, could this too be the reason for prescribing Gem for Saturn in this chart? What are your thoughts? Best wishes, Patrice Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 14, 2006 Report Share Posted October 14, 2006 Dear Patrice, //I am intrigued to know what your project is and what has had you inspired day and night ;-) and appreciate your looking at this chart before switching off for needed rest.// Nothing startling or inspirational, unfortunately. Simply honouring (at last) a request by my children to get the family history in order...perhaps they figure, with my sisters dying one by one, that I'm not going to be here forever. Between us we had vast numbers of photographs and documents (some very old) that had to be restored, sorted chronologically and saved to disk for posterity. As an example; photographs from my grandparents time and up to the present time (covering a whole lifetime really...Australia and Africa) and documents relating to my forefathers who were sent to the new colony for petty crimes...Australia, as you know, started off as a penal colony. It was an enormous task and I commented to Ron that it was like painting London bridge single-handed with a tooth brush. But, once begun, I had to finish and there were a couple of days I had no sleep at all (working 24 hrs without a break). I added a video of Andrew's wedding and went through it frame by frame picking out a few magic moments that (magically) appear throughout the photo/document sequence. The whole presentation zooms in and out smoothly in an angelic cloud...has turned out well. It's on disk now (DVD) and all I have to do is make copy's for the boys and it's done. One thing's for sure...I'll NEVER tackle anything like that again! Best Wishes, Mrs. Wendy http://JyotishVidya.com jyotish-vidya ___ - "Patrice Curry" <patricecurry (AT) adelphia (DOT) net> <jyotish-vidya> Friday, October 13, 2006 5:00 AM RE: Gems Dear Wendy, Thank you so much for your time on this chart, and for your thoughts and views. I am intrigued to know what your project is and what has had you inspired day and night ;-) and appreciate your looking at this chart before switching off for needed rest. I agree completely with your feeling: when we prescribe Gems we take on a huge responsibility. I am happy to see your thoughts are along my own on this chart as I work to fully understand Gems due to I am frequently asked questions regarding Gems in a native's chart. And also many people have Gems in their lives separately from Jyotish, such as in this case where it is a gift, but still this needs to be considered for wearing them. Also it's important to get more understanding, as if a Gem is helpful without harm in a chart, it can be a good remedy. With the cost of Gems what they are, I also find people with no ill intentions but wanting to be in the Gem business and promoting Gems, so having a full understanding to provide for discriminating in each chart is quite important in practice. As with everything in Jyotish - another layer in wholistically understanding the planets, their relationships, and individual charts. Here is something interesting: I've spoken with the native of chart recently, and it is a blue sapphire that he was told to wear, not the yellow sapphire I had assumed. Hmmmmm. moolatrikona for Saturn is 6H, with a neecha Jupiter in Saturn's 5H. No clue as to why someone would prescribe a Gem for Saturn. Saturn's position in chart makes him enemy to Jupiter, which he deposits in 5H, which would mean enemy to Rahu in 7H as well if we take Rahu's lord for discerning relationships in chart. Also enemy to Moon in 4H and owns 11th, and in Jupiter's sign. This is interesting in chart and current transits as Moon is great enemy to Saturn, and Saturn currently in Cancer. Considering his wife and current situation for her, this again 5H from 7th house, 5H back in general, and natal chart Venus as karaka for wife in this house. And 12 houses from natural 5H and Leo (as general significators for back), as well as natal Saturn's position. Another interesting thing on this chart is the parivartana of Sun and Jupiter at the nakshatra level. This again contributing to situation for wife during JU/JU dasa. And also interesting given his great success in career at this time with natal Jupiter in 5H, natal Sun in 10H. Many thanks dear Wendy. Kindest regards, Patrice _____ Dear Patrice, Sorry for the delay...I've only now finished the project I've worked on day and night and about to burn it to DVD...thought I'd NEVER finish. Now quite exhausted but thought I should take a look at this chart before I switch off. This chart presents an interesting situation as the karaka for 7th (Venus) is inimical to 7th lord (Jupiter)...and, with Rahu in 7th, married life is sure to have its share of ups and downs. Even though Venus owns 9th I would not recommend diamond. I feel strongly that when we prescribe Gems we take on a huge responsibility and the first consideration (always) should be "Never to do harm". A good rule of thumb is not to recommend if there is the slightest doubt whatsoever, and, in this case, there is certainly enough doubt to advise against a diamond. Best Wishes, Mrs. Wendy http://JyotishVidya <http://JyotishVidya.com> .com http://groups. <jyotish-vidya> jyotish-vidya ___ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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