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Hello Dear Wendy and List,

 

A friend called with questions regarding gems for her husband's chart. I am

always very cautious of gems for remedial measures as to me it seems a bit

complicated in individual charts for certainty of beneficial use of gems.

 

Chart details: July 9, 1949, 13:23:29, Chicago, IL.

 

Her reason for calling is that her husband was awarded a diamond for success

in a business endeavor. Considering this award, it is interesting in his

chart that Venus is in his 11H of gains and 2H from his work. This was given

to him this past August, and just checking the transits shows that TVenus

was also in his 11H during most of August. Or if this was the first week in

August, his placements 10H Sun and 11H Venus would have in transit both been

in an exchange, both exactly on each other's natal placement. He was in

Ju/Ju at the time. TJupiter in 2H Libra, Venus sign, giving 9H aspect onto

his 10H. Natal Jupiter is in 5H giving 7H aspect onto his natal Venus as

well as this 11th house.

 

He has been counseled via Maharishi Jyotish to wear a sapphire, and I'm

assuming a yellow sapphire as Jupiter is neecha (although receiving

cancellation) in his chart. However lagna is Virgo, with then Mercury as

lord. Jupiter is in 5H, with Mercury in own 10H, so Jupiter is enemy to

lagna lord in this chart.

 

Wendy, at your web site regarding gems you state, ".if they're involved in a

hostile relationship with another planet and the trikona is not their

moolatrikona sign, one must exercise caution as to wear the gem during the

dasa of the planet it's hostile to could be detrimental to significations of

that planet."

 

I'm quoting your thoughts above due to Venus and Jupiter are enemies in this

chart, with Venus being a great enemy to Jupiter. Venus owns 2rd and 9th

houses, 2rd being moolatrikona house. Current Mahadasa is Jupiter.

Interestingly, as well as unfortunately, following the award of this

diamond, my friend, chart native's wife, suffered serious back problems and

intense pain following a visit to a chiropractor and remains completely laid

up unable to move or walk for over a month. Her husband's 7H, Pisces, is

owned by Jupiter. (This is however his second marriage - do you personally

then Wendy use a different house? I have seen before others then taking 8H

from 7th - 2nd house for second marriage. My thoughts are still that 7H is

very important and house I use for this relationship. Would love to hear

your general thoughts on this as well.)

 

Separately from the gem issue, looking solely from the husband's chart, it

isn't surprising that there might be an issue with her back while he is in

Ju/Ju, and Jupiter is in transit in Libra, sign given for lower half of the

back along with 7H and Venus. And as stated Jupiter owns his 7H. (But I do

find this intriguing that he had been given and wore this diamond and her

back problem developed following this.)

 

Considering all the above, it would seem wearing a diamond to be detrimental

in this chart and particularly at this time in Ju/Ju. Really at any time due

Venus moolatrikona house is 2H, as well as relationship with Ju and Ve in

this chart, Ju state of neechabhanga, and as well natal positions giving 7H

aspect onto one another. And again, even more so for wife considering 7H,

and Venus owns then 3rd and 8th houses from 7th.

 

I'm trying to learn more and more with respect to gems as these questions

are quite common and I wish to always gain a more full understanding.

Separately, in this chart Venus and Mars are both in MB degree and should be

strengthened as well, but via other measures.

 

Thanks for any thoughts Wendy, if you find the time - as I know you are too

busy and away from list right now. I hope you are able to get to some other

things there and are enjoying this time away.

All best wishes,

Patrice

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Dear Patrice,

 

In the chart Venus is being subject to papakartari yoga, hemmed in

between Sun, the 12th Lord and Saturn the 5th & 6th Lord who are

Within a radius of 30 degrees around Venus. Mercury falls outside

though still in the 10th. Venus will pick up the influences of the

12th Lord and Saturn.

 

Regards

arun

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Dear Arun,

 

 

 

Thank you for your thoughts on this and pointing out this papakartari yoga.

I very much appreciate your response on this.

 

 

 

Taking your thoughts then on this chart, it would point more so to the

wearing of this diamond as a contributing factor in his wife's recent back

problem. Sun and Leo, and 5H all also general indicators for back. This

along with Saturn as you point out ruling the 5H, moolatrikona house for

Saturn, and native in Jupiter maha and bhukti dasa, natal Jupiter in this

5H. Also 6H with this Saturn lord, is 12H from his 7th house with

6Hco-ruler, Rahu, also located in 7H, both by natal and transit charts.

 

 

 

It's very interesting to see how you have viewed this Arun - many thanks. I

have such appreciation for our list and the opportunity to see how others

use Jyotish and the different skills and views. It's good to hear your

thoughts regarding Venus and therefore the wearing of this diamond.

 

 

 

Kindest regards,

 

Patrice

 

 

 

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Dear Patrice,

 

In the chart Venus is being subject to papakartari yoga, hemmed in

between Sun, the 12th Lord and Saturn the 5th & 6th Lord who are

Within a radius of 30 degrees around Venus. Mercury falls outside

though still in the 10th. Venus will pick up the influences of the

12th Lord and Saturn.

 

Regards

arun

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Dear Patrice,

 

I'll take a look at the chart tomorrow (God willing)...should be pretty much

caught up with things here by then.

 

Best Wishes,

Mrs. Wendy

http://JyotishVidya.com

jyotish-vidya

___

 

 

-

"Patrice Curry" <patricecurry (AT) adelphia (DOT) net>

<jyotish-vidya>

Monday, October 09, 2006 5:51 PM

Gems

 

 

Hello Dear Wendy and List,

 

A friend called with questions regarding gems for her husband's chart. I am

always very cautious of gems for remedial measures as to me it seems a bit

complicated in individual charts for certainty of beneficial use of gems.

 

Chart details: July 9, 1949, 13:23:29, Chicago, IL.

 

Her reason for calling is that her husband was awarded a diamond for success

in a business endeavor. Considering this award, it is interesting in his

chart that Venus is in his 11H of gains and 2H from his work. This was given

to him this past August, and just checking the transits shows that TVenus

was also in his 11H during most of August. Or if this was the first week in

August, his placements 10H Sun and 11H Venus would have in transit both been

in an exchange, both exactly on each other's natal placement. He was in

Ju/Ju at the time. TJupiter in 2H Libra, Venus sign, giving 9H aspect onto

his 10H. Natal Jupiter is in 5H giving 7H aspect onto his natal Venus as

well as this 11th house.

 

He has been counseled via Maharishi Jyotish to wear a sapphire, and I'm

assuming a yellow sapphire as Jupiter is neecha (although receiving

cancellation) in his chart. However lagna is Virgo, with then Mercury as

lord. Jupiter is in 5H, with Mercury in own 10H, so Jupiter is enemy to

lagna lord in this chart.

 

Wendy, at your web site regarding gems you state, ".if they're involved in a

hostile relationship with another planet and the trikona is not their

moolatrikona sign, one must exercise caution as to wear the gem during the

dasa of the planet it's hostile to could be detrimental to significations of

that planet."

 

I'm quoting your thoughts above due to Venus and Jupiter are enemies in this

chart, with Venus being a great enemy to Jupiter. Venus owns 2rd and 9th

houses, 2rd being moolatrikona house. Current Mahadasa is Jupiter.

Interestingly, as well as unfortunately, following the award of this

diamond, my friend, chart native's wife, suffered serious back problems and

intense pain following a visit to a chiropractor and remains completely laid

up unable to move or walk for over a month. Her husband's 7H, Pisces, is

owned by Jupiter. (This is however his second marriage - do you personally

then Wendy use a different house? I have seen before others then taking 8H

from 7th - 2nd house for second marriage. My thoughts are still that 7H is

very important and house I use for this relationship. Would love to hear

your general thoughts on this as well.)

 

Separately from the gem issue, looking solely from the husband's chart, it

isn't surprising that there might be an issue with her back while he is in

Ju/Ju, and Jupiter is in transit in Libra, sign given for lower half of the

back along with 7H and Venus. And as stated Jupiter owns his 7H. (But I do

find this intriguing that he had been given and wore this diamond and her

back problem developed following this.)

 

Considering all the above, it would seem wearing a diamond to be detrimental

in this chart and particularly at this time in Ju/Ju. Really at any time due

Venus moolatrikona house is 2H, as well as relationship with Ju and Ve in

this chart, Ju state of neechabhanga, and as well natal positions giving 7H

aspect onto one another. And again, even more so for wife considering 7H,

and Venus owns then 3rd and 8th houses from 7th.

 

I'm trying to learn more and more with respect to gems as these questions

are quite common and I wish to always gain a more full understanding.

Separately, in this chart Venus and Mars are both in MB degree and should be

strengthened as well, but via other measures.

 

Thanks for any thoughts Wendy, if you find the time - as I know you are too

busy and away from list right now. I hope you are able to get to some other

things there and are enjoying this time away.

All best wishes,

Patrice

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Dear Patrice,

 

Sorry for the delay...I've only now finished the project I've worked on day

and night and about to burn it to DVD...thought I'd NEVER finish. Now quite

exhausted but thought I should take a look at this chart before I switch

off.

 

This chart presents an interesting situation as the karaka for 7th (Venus)

is inimical to 7th lord (Jupiter)...and, with Rahu in 7th, married life is

sure to have its share of ups and downs. Even though Venus owns 9th I would

not recommend diamond.

 

I feel strongly that when we prescribe Gems we take on a huge responsibility

and the first consideration (always) should be "Never to do harm". A good

rule of thumb is not to recommend if there is the slightest doubt

whatsoever, and, in this case, there is certainly enough doubt to advise

against a diamond.

 

Best Wishes,

Mrs. Wendy

http://JyotishVidya.com

jyotish-vidya

___

 

 

-

"Wendy Vasicek" <jyotish (AT) optusnet (DOT) com.au>

<jyotish-vidya>

Wednesday, October 11, 2006 5:34 PM

Re: Gems

 

 

Dear Patrice,

 

I'll take a look at the chart tomorrow (God willing)...should be pretty much

caught up with things here by then.

 

Best Wishes,

Mrs. Wendy

http://JyotishVidya.com

jyotish-vidya

___

 

 

-

"Patrice Curry" <patricecurry (AT) adelphia (DOT) net>

<jyotish-vidya>

Monday, October 09, 2006 5:51 PM

Gems

 

 

Hello Dear Wendy and List,

 

A friend called with questions regarding gems for her husband's chart. I am

always very cautious of gems for remedial measures as to me it seems a bit

complicated in individual charts for certainty of beneficial use of gems.

 

Chart details: July 9, 1949, 13:23:29, Chicago, IL.

 

Her reason for calling is that her husband was awarded a diamond for success

in a business endeavor. Considering this award, it is interesting in his

chart that Venus is in his 11H of gains and 2H from his work. This was given

to him this past August, and just checking the transits shows that TVenus

was also in his 11H during most of August. Or if this was the first week in

August, his placements 10H Sun and 11H Venus would have in transit both been

in an exchange, both exactly on each other's natal placement. He was in

Ju/Ju at the time. TJupiter in 2H Libra, Venus sign, giving 9H aspect onto

his 10H. Natal Jupiter is in 5H giving 7H aspect onto his natal Venus as

well as this 11th house.

 

He has been counseled via Maharishi Jyotish to wear a sapphire, and I'm

assuming a yellow sapphire as Jupiter is neecha (although receiving

cancellation) in his chart. However lagna is Virgo, with then Mercury as

lord. Jupiter is in 5H, with Mercury in own 10H, so Jupiter is enemy to

lagna lord in this chart.

 

Wendy, at your web site regarding gems you state, ".if they're involved in a

hostile relationship with another planet and the trikona is not their

moolatrikona sign, one must exercise caution as to wear the gem during the

dasa of the planet it's hostile to could be detrimental to significations of

that planet."

 

I'm quoting your thoughts above due to Venus and Jupiter are enemies in this

chart, with Venus being a great enemy to Jupiter. Venus owns 2rd and 9th

houses, 2rd being moolatrikona house. Current Mahadasa is Jupiter.

Interestingly, as well as unfortunately, following the award of this

diamond, my friend, chart native's wife, suffered serious back problems and

intense pain following a visit to a chiropractor and remains completely laid

up unable to move or walk for over a month. Her husband's 7H, Pisces, is

owned by Jupiter. (This is however his second marriage - do you personally

then Wendy use a different house? I have seen before others then taking 8H

from 7th - 2nd house for second marriage. My thoughts are still that 7H is

very important and house I use for this relationship. Would love to hear

your general thoughts on this as well.)

 

Separately from the gem issue, looking solely from the husband's chart, it

isn't surprising that there might be an issue with her back while he is in

Ju/Ju, and Jupiter is in transit in Libra, sign given for lower half of the

back along with 7H and Venus. And as stated Jupiter owns his 7H. (But I do

find this intriguing that he had been given and wore this diamond and her

back problem developed following this.)

 

Considering all the above, it would seem wearing a diamond to be detrimental

in this chart and particularly at this time in Ju/Ju. Really at any time due

Venus moolatrikona house is 2H, as well as relationship with Ju and Ve in

this chart, Ju state of neechabhanga, and as well natal positions giving 7H

aspect onto one another. And again, even more so for wife considering 7H,

and Venus owns then 3rd and 8th houses from 7th.

 

I'm trying to learn more and more with respect to gems as these questions

are quite common and I wish to always gain a more full understanding.

Separately, in this chart Venus and Mars are both in MB degree and should be

strengthened as well, but via other measures.

 

Thanks for any thoughts Wendy, if you find the time - as I know you are too

busy and away from list right now. I hope you are able to get to some other

things there and are enjoying this time away.

All best wishes,

Patrice

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Dear Patrice

 

Key features of the chart are Vargottama Ascendant, Rahu and Ketu.

Mercury the Lagna Lord is weakest in Shadbala, but has 4 favourable

vergas (Dasaverga) and is also subject to papakartari yoga between

8th Lord Mars and 12th Lord Sun on the other. Sun the 12th Lord is

the strongest in Shadbala and Venus the 2nd and 9th Lord is 2nd in

Shadbala. Therefore the effect of Sun and Venus will be strongest

on all the Bhavas they influence.

Lagna is along the Ketu-Rahu axis. Though the lagna Lord is in

Bhadra Mahapurusha yoga it is afflicted and least capable of making

an impact because of its lack of shadbala strength.

 

7th house analysis:

7th house is occupied by Vargottama Rahu. 7th lord Jupiter is Retro

and debility cancelled and its Kendra ownership affliction is

neutralised by its 5th house position. But Jupiter is 6th in

shadbala.

 

7th from the moon:

7th lord mercury with Kendra ownership affliction is positioned in

the 7th (conjunct the 9th Lord Sun). Mercury's placement in the 7th

is detrimental to its signification. Sun as the 9th lord is a

benefic but generally its placement in the 7th results in a

dominating relationship with partner.

 

The natural significator of marriage is being subject to papakartari

yoga. In the Navamsa chart, 7th lord is again Jupiter but

positioned in the 7th which is adverse. Rahu conjuncts Jupiter and

the 7th and 8th are aspected by mars in the navamsa

The effects of Sun and Venus on the affairs of the 7th house will

predominate as they are strongest in shadbala.

 

The quality of the relationship will be effected adversely as Venus

is afflicted and Rahu occupies.

The 8th house, which to a large extend controls the longevity of

any marriage, is affliction free. But the afflictions on the 7th in

Rasi and the 8th house in Navamsa seems to have produced more than

one marriage.

 

Appeasing Using Gems:

Lagna and Venus should not be appeased through gems. Jupiter does

have some defects which have been neutralised in Rasi. But he is in

full sambanda (relationship) with Venus and he is still afflicted in

Navamsa. Therefore gem therapy for Jupiter may produce negative

results.

 

I am still looking to understand the effect of the diamond on the

spouse.

 

 

 

regards

arun

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Dear Wendy,

 

 

 

Thank you so much for your time on this chart, and for your thoughts and

views.

 

 

 

I am intrigued to know what your project is and what has had you inspired

day and night ;-) and appreciate your looking at this chart before switching

off for needed rest.

 

 

 

I agree completely with your feeling: when we prescribe Gems we take on a

huge responsibility.

 

 

 

I am happy to see your thoughts are along my own on this chart as I work to

fully understand Gems due to I am frequently asked questions regarding Gems

in a native's chart. And also many people have Gems in their lives

separately from Jyotish, such as in this case where it is a gift, but still

this needs to be considered for wearing them. Also it's important to get

more understanding, as if a Gem is helpful without harm in a chart, it can

be a good remedy. With the cost of Gems what they are, I also find people

with no ill intentions but wanting to be in the Gem business and promoting

Gems, so having a full understanding to provide for discriminating in each

chart is quite important in practice. As with everything in Jyotish -

another layer in wholistically understanding the planets, their

relationships, and individual charts.

 

 

 

Here is something interesting: I've spoken with the native of chart

recently, and it is a blue sapphire that he was told to wear, not the yellow

sapphire I had assumed. Hmmmmm. moolatrikona for Saturn is 6H, with a neecha

Jupiter in Saturn's 5H. No clue as to why someone would prescribe a Gem for

Saturn.

 

 

 

Saturn's position in chart makes him enemy to Jupiter, which he deposits in

5H, which would mean enemy to Rahu in 7H as well if we take Rahu's lord for

discerning relationships in chart. Also enemy to Moon in 4H and owns 11th,

and in Jupiter's sign. This is interesting in chart and current transits as

Moon is great enemy to Saturn, and Saturn currently in Cancer. Considering

his wife and current situation for her, this again 5H from 7th house, 5H

back in general, and natal chart Venus as karaka for wife in this house. And

12 houses from natural 5H and Leo (as general significators for back), as

well as natal Saturn's position.

 

 

 

Another interesting thing on this chart is the parivartana of Sun and

Jupiter at the nakshatra level. This again contributing to situation for

wife during JU/JU dasa. And also interesting given his great success in

career at this time with natal Jupiter in 5H, natal Sun in 10H.

 

 

 

Many thanks dear Wendy.

 

Kindest regards,

 

Patrice

 

 

 

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Dear Patrice,

 

Sorry for the delay...I've only now finished the project I've worked on day

and night and about to burn it to DVD...thought I'd NEVER finish. Now quite

exhausted but thought I should take a look at this chart before I switch

off.

 

This chart presents an interesting situation as the karaka for 7th (Venus)

is inimical to 7th lord (Jupiter)...and, with Rahu in 7th, married life is

sure to have its share of ups and downs. Even though Venus owns 9th I would

not recommend diamond.

 

I feel strongly that when we prescribe Gems we take on a huge responsibility

 

and the first consideration (always) should be "Never to do harm". A good

rule of thumb is not to recommend if there is the slightest doubt

whatsoever, and, in this case, there is certainly enough doubt to advise

against a diamond.

 

Best Wishes,

Mrs. Wendy

http://JyotishVidya <http://JyotishVidya.com> .com

http://groups. <jyotish-vidya>

jyotish-vidya

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Hi Dear Arun,

 

 

 

Wow! Thank you for your analysis on this chart and all your thoughts and

work. I appreciate your participation on this and your post showing your

clear thoughts and reasoning. Also it is helpful to see you too have come to

the same conclusion regarding native should not wear a diamond for Venus.

 

 

 

Check my last post on this addressing Wendy too regarding it was blue

sapphire versus yellow sapphire which was prescribed to him via Maharishi

Jyotish. I don't know why someone would prescribe a gem for Saturn in this

chart due to all the reasons I listed in that post. We can see that Saturn's

owns the trikona 5H, is deposited in 12H, and Jupiter is enemy to Saturn and

deposited in this house. Saturn becomes friend to lagnesh Mercury in this

chart. Still however looking wholistically at this chart, I would not expect

one to give advice for wearing blue sapphire. Moolatrikona house for Saturn

is the 6H. Also do we consider activating the house where a planet sits when

considering gems, here Saturn being the 12H?? Perhaps thinking was Saturn as

significator of grief, loss, delays, etc. in 12H of loss is "loss of loss"..

 

 

 

Having said all the above in questioning this, I find the reasons I

mentioned in post to Wendy important in not prescribing Gem for Saturn. I

mention the above just in light of a discussion/learning on this.

 

 

 

Thanks Arun, kindest regards,

 

Patrice

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Dear Patrice

 

Key features of the chart are Vargottama Ascendant, Rahu and Ketu.

Mercury the Lagna Lord is weakest in Shadbala, but has 4 favourable

vergas (Dasaverga) and is also subject to papakartari yoga between

8th Lord Mars and 12th Lord Sun on the other. Sun the 12th Lord is

the strongest in Shadbala and Venus the 2nd and 9th Lord is 2nd in

Shadbala. Therefore the effect of Sun and Venus will be strongest

on all the Bhavas they influence.

Lagna is along the Ketu-Rahu axis. Though the lagna Lord is in

Bhadra Mahapurusha yoga it is afflicted and least capable of making

an impact because of its lack of shadbala strength.

 

7th house analysis:

7th house is occupied by Vargottama Rahu. 7th lord Jupiter is Retro

and debility cancelled and its Kendra ownership affliction is

neutralised by its 5th house position. But Jupiter is 6th in

shadbala.

 

7th from the moon:

7th lord mercury with Kendra ownership affliction is positioned in

the 7th (conjunct the 9th Lord Sun). Mercury's placement in the 7th

is detrimental to its signification. Sun as the 9th lord is a

benefic but generally its placement in the 7th results in a

dominating relationship with partner.

 

The natural significator of marriage is being subject to papakartari

yoga. In the Navamsa chart, 7th lord is again Jupiter but

positioned in the 7th which is adverse. Rahu conjuncts Jupiter and

the 7th and 8th are aspected by mars in the navamsa

The effects of Sun and Venus on the affairs of the 7th house will

predominate as they are strongest in shadbala.

 

The quality of the relationship will be effected adversely as Venus

is afflicted and Rahu occupies.

The 8th house, which to a large extend controls the longevity of

any marriage, is affliction free. But the afflictions on the 7th in

Rasi and the 8th house in Navamsa seems to have produced more than

one marriage.

 

Appeasing Using Gems:

Lagna and Venus should not be appeased through gems. Jupiter does

have some defects which have been neutralised in Rasi. But he is in

full sambanda (relationship) with Venus and he is still afflicted in

Navamsa. Therefore gem therapy for Jupiter may produce negative

results.

 

I am still looking to understand the effect of the diamond on the

spouse.

 

regards

arun

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Dear Wendy and Arun,

 

 

 

Thinking further on this, Saturn is in Subha Yoga, being moolatrikona house

of Saturn in native's chart is 6H, dustana house, with Saturn located in

another dustana house, 12th . I've forgotten the name of this Yoga at the

moment. but this is considered a great yoga, could this too be the reason

for prescribing Gem for Saturn in this chart?

 

 

 

What are your thoughts?

 

 

 

Best wishes,

 

Patrice

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Dear Patrice,

As dusthana lord is placed in another dusthana it's Vipareeta Raja Yoga. It denotes success after initial struggle and loss of others /enemies/- but I've never heard of prescribing the gem for such a planet-particularly Sa! It seems too risky to me-who and why is supposed to be strenghten? Enemies loss?

Like to hear more from others, as well.

Regards,

Anna

 

Patrice Curry <patricecurry (AT) adelphia (DOT) net> wrote:

Dear Wendy and Arun,

 

Thinking further on this, Saturn is in Subha Yoga, being moolatrikona house

of Saturn in native's chart is 6H, dustana house, with Saturn located in

another dustana house, 12th . I've forgotten the name of this Yoga at the

moment. but this is considered a great yoga, could this too be the reason

for prescribing Gem for Saturn in this chart?

 

What are your thoughts?

 

Best wishes,

 

Patrice

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Dear Patrice,

 

The yoga of the 6th Lord in the 6th, 8th or 12th is called Harsha

yoga producing good results. But, there is a down side to it. Saturn

the example we are discussing is also the 5th Lord and therefore if

we wear Gems for Saturn, the negative effects of the 5th in the 12th

will also get magnified. 5th ruling children, creativity, mantra,

guru etc. we may expect unfortunate happening in these areas

 

regards

arun

 

 

 

jyotish-vidya, "Patrice Curry"

<patricecurry wrote:

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> Dear Wendy and Arun,

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> Thinking further on this, Saturn is in Subha Yoga, being

moolatrikona house

> of Saturn in native's chart is 6H, dustana house, with Saturn

located in

> another dustana house, 12th . I've forgotten the name of this Yoga

at the

> moment. but this is considered a great yoga, could this too be the

reason

> for prescribing Gem for Saturn in this chart?

>

>

>

> What are your thoughts?

>

>

>

> Best wishes,

>

> Patrice

>

>

>

>

>

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Dear Patrice, Arun and All,

 

I feel certain the reason the pundits prescribed Saturn's gem is to ward off

(possible) ill effects for progeny and spouse. 5th lord Saturn, dispositor

of 7th lord Jupiter, enjoys only middling strength in 12th (neutral). This

placement can be detrimental for the well-being of spouse and

children...strengthening 5th lord (obviously) strengthens the significations

of 5th house etc.. Can you tell me if this native's spouse and/or children

suffer difficulties/health problems etc. Bear in mind 5th lord occupies 8th

from 5th.

 

Saturn bhukti commences shortly (24 Nov) and any assistance given to Saturn

is advisable. Yes, Saturn is inimical to Jupiter but, unlike Venus, there is

no direct aspect; besides Saturn is Jupiter's dispositor and, as we know,

the significations of an afflicted graha are improved if its dispositor has

strength...

 

Best Wishes,

Mrs. Wendy

http://JyotishVidya.com

jyotish-vidya

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Friday, October 13, 2006 5:47 AM

RE: Re: Gems

 

 

Dear Wendy and Arun,

 

 

 

Thinking further on this, Saturn is in Subha Yoga, being moolatrikona house

of Saturn in native's chart is 6H, dustana house, with Saturn located in

another dustana house, 12th . I've forgotten the name of this Yoga at the

moment. but this is considered a great yoga, could this too be the reason

for prescribing Gem for Saturn in this chart?

 

 

 

What are your thoughts?

 

 

 

Best wishes,

 

Patrice

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Dear Patrice,

 

//I am intrigued to know what your project is and what has had you inspired

day and night ;-) and appreciate your looking at this chart before switching

off for needed rest.//

 

Nothing startling or inspirational, unfortunately. Simply honouring (at

last) a request by my children to get the family history in order...perhaps

they figure, with my sisters dying one by one, that I'm not going to be here

forever. Between us we had vast numbers of photographs and documents (some

very old) that had to be restored, sorted chronologically and saved to disk

for posterity. As an example; photographs from my grandparents time and up

to the present time (covering a whole lifetime really...Australia and

Africa) and documents relating to my forefathers who were sent to the new

colony for petty crimes...Australia, as you know, started off as a penal

colony.

 

It was an enormous task and I commented to Ron that it was like painting

London bridge single-handed with a tooth brush. But, once begun, I had to

finish and there were a couple of days I had no sleep at all (working 24 hrs

without a break). I added a video of Andrew's wedding and went through it

frame by frame picking out a few magic moments that (magically) appear

throughout the photo/document sequence. The whole presentation zooms in and

out smoothly in an angelic cloud...has turned out well.

 

It's on disk now (DVD) and all I have to do is make copy's for the boys and

it's done. One thing's for sure...I'll NEVER tackle anything like that

again!

 

Best Wishes,

Mrs. Wendy

http://JyotishVidya.com

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"Patrice Curry" <patricecurry (AT) adelphia (DOT) net>

<jyotish-vidya>

Friday, October 13, 2006 5:00 AM

RE: Gems

 

 

Dear Wendy,

 

 

 

Thank you so much for your time on this chart, and for your thoughts and

views.

 

 

 

I am intrigued to know what your project is and what has had you inspired

day and night ;-) and appreciate your looking at this chart before switching

off for needed rest.

 

 

 

I agree completely with your feeling: when we prescribe Gems we take on a

huge responsibility.

 

 

 

I am happy to see your thoughts are along my own on this chart as I work to

fully understand Gems due to I am frequently asked questions regarding Gems

in a native's chart. And also many people have Gems in their lives

separately from Jyotish, such as in this case where it is a gift, but still

this needs to be considered for wearing them. Also it's important to get

more understanding, as if a Gem is helpful without harm in a chart, it can

be a good remedy. With the cost of Gems what they are, I also find people

with no ill intentions but wanting to be in the Gem business and promoting

Gems, so having a full understanding to provide for discriminating in each

chart is quite important in practice. As with everything in Jyotish -

another layer in wholistically understanding the planets, their

relationships, and individual charts.

 

 

 

Here is something interesting: I've spoken with the native of chart

recently, and it is a blue sapphire that he was told to wear, not the yellow

sapphire I had assumed. Hmmmmm. moolatrikona for Saturn is 6H, with a neecha

Jupiter in Saturn's 5H. No clue as to why someone would prescribe a Gem for

Saturn.

 

 

 

Saturn's position in chart makes him enemy to Jupiter, which he deposits in

5H, which would mean enemy to Rahu in 7H as well if we take Rahu's lord for

discerning relationships in chart. Also enemy to Moon in 4H and owns 11th,

and in Jupiter's sign. This is interesting in chart and current transits as

Moon is great enemy to Saturn, and Saturn currently in Cancer. Considering

his wife and current situation for her, this again 5H from 7th house, 5H

back in general, and natal chart Venus as karaka for wife in this house. And

12 houses from natural 5H and Leo (as general significators for back), as

well as natal Saturn's position.

 

 

 

Another interesting thing on this chart is the parivartana of Sun and

Jupiter at the nakshatra level. This again contributing to situation for

wife during JU/JU dasa. And also interesting given his great success in

career at this time with natal Jupiter in 5H, natal Sun in 10H.

 

 

 

Many thanks dear Wendy.

 

Kindest regards,

 

Patrice

 

 

 

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Dear Patrice,

 

Sorry for the delay...I've only now finished the project I've worked on day

and night and about to burn it to DVD...thought I'd NEVER finish. Now quite

exhausted but thought I should take a look at this chart before I switch

off.

 

This chart presents an interesting situation as the karaka for 7th (Venus)

is inimical to 7th lord (Jupiter)...and, with Rahu in 7th, married life is

sure to have its share of ups and downs. Even though Venus owns 9th I would

not recommend diamond.

 

I feel strongly that when we prescribe Gems we take on a huge responsibility

 

and the first consideration (always) should be "Never to do harm". A good

rule of thumb is not to recommend if there is the slightest doubt

whatsoever, and, in this case, there is certainly enough doubt to advise

against a diamond.

 

Best Wishes,

Mrs. Wendy

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