Jaduranis misconception about Kalki avatar

October 11, 2006

there is complete lack of siddhantic evidence, all 4 vaisnava sampradya teach

Kalki comes after some 400.000 years and so did Srila Prabhupada

is is clearly confirmed in the 12 Canto of Srimad Bhagavatam and Visnu Purana

also states the same, there is even a Purana that is only about Kalki avatar

and His appearence in the end of this Kali Yuga, Udupi Krsna is dressed and

worshipped on the day Kalki appears it is all there in sastra.May Srila

Prabhupada bless her with the proper understanding one day on this matter, but

that

she preaches such a misconception is not good

No Kalki Avatar In This Kali Yuga

BY JADURANI DASI

EDITORIAL, Jun 21 (VNN) — I first met Srila Narayana Maharaj about seven

years ago, at the Rupa Sanatana Gaudiya Math, his temple near Seva Kunja in

Vrndavan. Since that time I'd always strongly felt Srila Prabhupada's presence

when

ever I met Srila Maharaja. His answers to any of my questions seemed as

brilliant and astounding as those of Srila Prabhupada, and everything he said

gave

me new insight into Srila Prabhupada's books. After several meetings with him,

therefore, I was so overwhelmed that I asked him, "Can I understand that when

you tell me something, that it is Srila Prabhupada telling me through you?"

With a soft smile he answered, "if you have got that faith." And daily my faith

became stronger and stronger.

One thing he said, however, I couldn't reconcile. Srila Maharaja mentioned a

few times that in this age of Kali, Kalki avatar doesn't come. Maharaja would

quote Srila Bhaktivinode Thakur, who had said that "because Sri Caitanya

Mahaprabhu came in this particular Kali Yuga, this Kali Yuga is called Dhanya

Kali,

blessed Kali." Although in other Kali Yugas Kalki does come, in this one He

doesn't. On one hand I had no doubts in Srila Maharaj, but on the other hand I

still could not reconcile the apparent difference in Srila Prabhupada's

statement. For years I had been hearing the cassette tape of Srila Prabhupada

singing "Sri Dasavatar- Stotram" by Sri Jayadeva Goswami, " Kesava!

dhrta-Kalki-sarira jaya jadadisa hare." Then, in his purport to the song, Srila

Prabhupada had

explained that at the end of Kali Yuga there will be no preaching because

people will be too degraded and sinful to understand Krsna Conscious

philosophy.

So Kalki comes, not to preach, but to kill all the sinners and usher in the

next Satya Yuga. In a humble way I told this to Srila Maharaj and he answered,

"Not in this Kali Yuga. He won't come. But if he comes, no harm; he will be

raising his arms and chanting 'Hari Bol! Hari Bol!' in Mahaprabhu's sankirtan

movement."

So I let it go. I had faith in both Srila Prabhupada and Srila Maharaja.

Diksa Guru and Siksa Guru are one. Srila Prabhupada is both my diksa and siksa

guru and Srila Maharaja is my siksa guru. I knew that when Srila Prabhupada

wanted to, he would show me how to reconcile the apparent contradiction. Later,

in

studying one of our Gaudiya Vaisnava songs, Ke Jabi Ke Jabi Bhai, by Srila

Locan dasa Thakura, I read, "dhanya kali-yugera caitanya-avatar," that is, Sri

Caitanya-Avatara is the good fortune (dhanya) of this Kali Yuga (He does not

come in every Kali Yuga. He comes as the Yuga Avatara of Kali Yuga only once in

a

day of Lord Brahma, that is, once every 2,000 Kali Yugas.) This convinced me,

but still, I had a desire to hear more from Srila Prabhupada himself, since

according to my memory, I'd previously heard the opposite from him.

Then, about two months ago, on a casual reading of Caitanya Caritamrta, I

found it in Madhya Lila chapter six, in the discussions between Sarvabauma

Battacarya and Gopinatha Acarya. Srila Prabhupada was quoting Gopinatha

Acharya, "in

this age of Kali there is no lila avatar of the Supreme Personality of

Godhead. Therefore He is triyuga.

That is one of His holy names." In the purport, Kalki is mentioned as the

last of the twenty-five Lila Avatars. At the end of the purport, Prabhupada

wrote: "Sri Caitanya Mahaprabhu is not mentioned as a lila avatar because he is

an

incarnation in disguise (channa avatar). In this age of Kali there are no lila

avatars, but there is an incarnation of the Lord manifested in the body of

Sri Caitanya Mahaprabhu. This has been explained in Srimad Bhagavatam."

At this point I turned to Srimad Bhagavatam, first canto chapter three. There

Prabhupada had written that Kalki will come after 427,000 years. Did that

mean Srila Prabhupada contradicted himself?. No, of course not. Everything is

reconciled. Kalki (and all other incarnations) come in the body of Sri Caitanya

Mahaprabhu. This is confirmed in Caitanya Caritamrta (Adi Lila 4.5-16). These

verses explain how, just as all incarnations come in Krsna's body when he

descends, so Lord Caitanya, is also Krsna Himself, and the same applies to Him

"When the complete Supreme Personality of Godhead descends, all other

incarnations

meet together within Him."

There were many other instances where I could understand by Srila Narayana

Maharaja's association that I had so little understanding of Srila Prabhupada.

Srila Maharaja has been giving me a deeper understanding. He is always

showing me the glory of Srila Prabhupada, that he is coming in the line Srila

Bhaktivinode Thakur, Srila Locan dasa Thakur, Sri Krsna das Kaviraja, Srila

Rupa

Goswami, and ultimately Sri Caitanya Mahaprabhu, who came to give what no other

incarnation or acharya gave for a long time--since the last time Lord Caitanya

came--in the previous day of Brahma.

Even with Srila Prabhupada's words in front of me for the last thirty-two

years, being a conditioned soul, I can not understand him fully. Of course, "it

takes one to know one." Only a Maha-bhagavata can understand the mood and

siddhanta of another Maha-bhagavata. And only he can help the conditioned souls

understand.

October 11, 2006

in the below articel she claims there is no Kalki avatar in Kali yuga she has

been cheated by Sarasvati the goddess of learning, what she does not

understand Lord Visnu may be tri yuga, but Kalki appears at the junction of

Kali and

Satya Yuga , so strictly speaking He does not appear in Kali yuga but at the

junction, almost like Hiranyakasipu being cheated by Lord Narasimhadeva not

here

not there, but then killed on the lap ,not by hands nor weapons but the Lord

Killed him by His lotusnails.( she is a devotee, but the demon of

misconception needs to be killed).Srila Prabhupada sometimes stated after

10.000 years the

sankirtana movement is fisnished it is in the antya lila of CC in a purport.

Why 10.000 years ?Appearently it is based on a statement made by Srila

Bhaktivinoda Thakura, but if Srila Prabhupada say 10.000 years that is good

enough

for me, but if the sankirtana movement can continue after 10.000 why all the

grim predictions of terribel things to come, and day by day Kali is

infiltrating

society more and more, the destiny of the planet earth is in the devotees ha

nds also, if we dont preach and distribute Srila Prabhupadas books profusely

Kali will win this battle, it is not an automatic thing for KC to

spread...well if the sankirtana movement becomes that powerfull can it continue

till the

end of Kali yuga?It would be wonderfull-we can't just say this is Kali yuga

lets just surrender to maya, or use it as an excuse

or we can try to push the sankirtana movement through untill the next

satya yuga ,I like that concept....(even if sastra paints a gloomy picture

for Kali Yuga) lets pray the blessing of Lord Caitanya can carry through untill

Lord Kalki comes and establishes a new Yuga dharma for the next age-just a

thought