Guest guest Posted October 12, 2006 Report Share Posted October 12, 2006 Thank you for this. One question : how do you meditation on the wounds? You see yourself as the wounds, or the wounds as something on your body : like the normal wounds we see? or you see ourselves actually dressings these wounds? , Max Dashu <maxdashu wrote: > > I forgot one phase: after lance, should come drain, then flush, etc. Synchronicity: this came up on the Ammachi list yesterday, where she speaks to this subject of wounds. > "The mind is an outsider. He is a stranger in your real abode - the Self. The mind, being a foreign element, creates an irritation which itches. The itching is the desires of the mind. It is just like the sensation you sometimes get to scratch an itching wound. As you scratch the area, you find it soothing, and so you scratch it repeatedly until the wound and the surrounding area become red and infected. And with that, the pain of the wound increases. The mind creates such an itch when it is full of desires and emotions. So you keep on scratching, until finally, your whole life becomes a big pus infected wound. All that pus needs to be squeezed out of your wound; only then will the wound be healed. It is Amma's duty to treat the wound and squeeze out the pus. That is how Amma shows Her compassion towards you, but when She does, you call it strange. But Amma isn't bothered by your reaction, for it is only due to your lack of understanding. You would call Amma normal if She just kept on soothing the wound and allowed you to continue to scratch it. The choice is yours. If you want the wound only to be soothed and not healed, it is all right with Mother, but you will suffer later. " > > ... Question: "Amma, You compared the mind to a foreign element. Why is it foreign? Could You please elaborate on this point?" > > "Mother: "Whenever a foreign element enters into our lives we > ruthlessly try to reject it. For example, if there is a dust > particle in our eye we want to remove it. Why? Because it is not > part of the eye. It doesn't belong to us. What about an illness? > Even if it is a headache or stomach ache we will want to get rid of > it, because it is foreign to us. The body wants to reject it, for it is not part of our nature. Similarly, the mind is a foreign element, a complete stranger, that we need to get rid of. > > Everybody wants to be happy and peaceful. There are no arguments > about that. But, to attain real peace and happiness one has to go > beyond the mind and its desires. It is the mind that causes the > sorrow and the itching. > The mind is like a wound. Every time a desire crops up you feel > an 'itching' sensation of the wound of the mind. Fulfilling the > desire is like scratching the wound, and your itch is relieved for > the moment. > But you are completely unaware of the truth that by yielding to your > desires, you are making the wound of the mind deeper. It becomes > more and more infected. But the mind will constantly continue to > demand and desire, and you will continue to fulfill those desires. > It is like a continuous scratching of the wound of the mind, which > only makes the wound increasingly larger. > > If you vigorously keep rubbing the dust in your eyes instead of > removing it, your pain and irritation will only increase. Remove the > dust and you will be all right. Similarly, the mind is like dust in > the eye, a foreign element. Learn to get rid of the mind. Only then > will you achieve perfection and happiness. > > To be happy and peaceful is the goal of all human beings. But they > choose the wrong ways to attain it. Almost everyone knows that they > are not experiencing real peace and happiness. They are lacking > something in their lives and they try to fill that gap by acquiring > and possessing. But the real problem exists within your mind. > > The mind is a stranger that needs to be eliminated. But who can do > this? Only a complete stranger to your mind can eliminate it. The > Master is that Stranger. The Mahatma, the Perfect Master, is perhaps > incomprehensible to your mind, but he knows your strange mind and > its strange ways perfectly well. He is the Master of all minds, but > to your mind he is a very strange phenomenon indeed. > > As long as your mind exists, you will judge the Mahatma's ways as > strange, but when you slowly start to control the mind and thoughts, > you will realize that there was nothing strange at all about the > Mahatma, it was only your mind that was strange. " > -- > Max Dashu > Suppressed Histories Archives > Women in Global Perspective > http://www.suppressedhistories.net > > New poster: Our Reproductive Rights! > http://www.maxdashu.net/shamanic/reprorights.html > Beautiful, multi-issue, empowering 11 x 17 laser print > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 12, 2006 Report Share Posted October 12, 2006 Thank you for this. Questions : how do you meditation on the wounds? You see yourself as the wounds, or the wounds as something on your body : like the normal wounds we see? or you see ourselves actually dressings these wounds? , Max Dashu <maxdashu wrote: > > I forgot one phase: after lance, should come drain, then flush, etc. Synchronicity: this came up on the Ammachi list yesterday, where she speaks to this subject of wounds. > "The mind is an outsider. He is a stranger in your real abode - the Self. The mind, being a foreign element, creates an irritation which itches. The itching is the desires of the mind. It is just like the sensation you sometimes get to scratch an itching wound. As you scratch the area, you find it soothing, and so you scratch it repeatedly until the wound and the surrounding area become red and infected. And with that, the pain of the wound increases. The mind creates such an itch when it is full of desires and emotions. So you keep on scratching, until finally, your whole life becomes a big pus infected wound. All that pus needs to be squeezed out of your wound; only then will the wound be healed. It is Amma's duty to treat the wound and squeeze out the pus. That is how Amma shows Her compassion towards you, but when She does, you call it strange. But Amma isn't bothered by your reaction, for it is only due to your lack of understanding. You would call Amma normal if She just kept on soothing the wound and allowed you to continue to scratch it. The choice is yours. If you want the wound only to be soothed and not healed, it is all right with Mother, but you will suffer later. " > > ... Question: "Amma, You compared the mind to a foreign element. Why is it foreign? Could You please elaborate on this point?" > "Mother: "Whenever a foreign element enters into our lives we ruthlessly try to reject it. For example, if there is a dust particle in our eye we want to remove it. Why? Because it is not part of the eye. It doesn't belong to us. What about an illness? Even if it is a headache or stomach ache we will want to get rid of it, because it is foreign to us. The body wants to reject it, for it is not part of our nature. Similarly, the mind is a foreign element, a complete stranger, that we need to get rid of. > > Everybody wants to be happy and peaceful. There are no arguments about that. But, to attain real peace and happiness one has to go beyond the mind and its desires. It is the mind that causes the sorrow and the itching. > The mind is like a wound. Every time a desire crops up you feel an 'itching' sensation of the wound of the mind. Fulfilling the desire is like scratching the wound, and your itch is relieved for the moment. But you are completely unaware of the truth that by yielding to your desires, you are making the wound of the mind deeper. It becomes more and more infected. But the mind will constantly continue to demand and desire, and you will continue to fulfill those desires. It is like a continuous scratching of the wound of the mind, which only makes the wound increasingly larger. > > If you vigorously keep rubbing the dust in your eyes instead of removing it, your pain and irritation will only increase. Remove the dust and you will be all right. Similarly, the mind is like dust in the eye, a foreign element. Learn to get rid of the mind. Only then will you achieve perfection and happiness. > > To be happy and peaceful is the goal of all human beings. But they choose the wrong ways to attain it. Almost everyone knows that they are not experiencing real peace and happiness. They are lacking something in their lives and they try to fill that gap by acquiring and possessing. But the real problem exists within your mind. > > The mind is a stranger that needs to be eliminated. But who can do this? Only a complete stranger to your mind can eliminate it. The Master is that Stranger. The Mahatma, the Perfect Master, is perhaps incomprehensible to your mind, but he knows your strange mind and its strange ways perfectly well. He is the Master of all minds, but to your mind he is a very strange phenomenon indeed. > > As long as your mind exists, you will judge the Mahatma's ways as > strange, but when you slowly start to control the mind and thoughts, > you will realize that there was nothing strange at all about the > Mahatma, it was only your mind that was strange. " > -- > Max Dashu > Suppressed Histories Archives > Women in Global Perspective > http://www.suppressedhistories.net > > New poster: Our Reproductive Rights! > http://www.maxdashu.net/shamanic/reprorights.html > Beautiful, multi-issue, empowering 11 x 17 laser print > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 12, 2006 Report Share Posted October 12, 2006 > how do you meditation on the wounds? You see yourself as the >wounds, or the wounds as something on your body : like the normal >wounds we see? or you see ourselves >actually dressings these wounds? Delving into the wounds that dominate the mind, that lead to compulsions and habitual fixations, and which give rise to bodily illness as they go on. They can and certainly do include emotional trauma, but what is the origin of that? It goes deep into that which is invisible to us, at least to the mind. I don't see myself as the wound. Am looking for the source of the irritant, to relinquish the burdens of the past, the pain which is held in the body (especially when the mind wasn't able to handle it at the time, and goes on behaving as if there is no issue, but the body knows better that something is unresolved). Our nature is not the wound, but we need to reintegrate our impermanent self with all those deeper layers of Being. Entering into our true nature and deepening consciousness of That is the way that the wounds will be resolved. So diving deep, emptying out our pain, releasing it, flushing the wounds and washing them with grace, through all the koshas. Ketu is sitting on my Saturn now, so shaking out the obstructions and sense of deficiencies seems timely... Max -- Max Dashu Suppressed Histories Archives Women in Global Perspective http://www.suppressedhistories.net New poster: Our Reproductive Rights! http://www.maxdashu.net/shamanic/reprorights.html Beautiful, multi-issue, empowering 11 x 17 laser print Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 19, 2006 Report Share Posted October 19, 2006 Ive been trying to understand Ammachi's statement abt the mind being wound. Hoping somebody from Ammachi group will be able to explain but so far nobody comes along. Eventually I got this from a good friend and I like to share it with all : How mind *could* be considered a wound. Our perception breaks up the world into many pieces -- subjects and objects -- me and you -- us and them, right? What is the source of this perception? the mind. It limits the infinite so that we can live and move in the trealm of time and experience so it is a wound in that it hacks unity into pieces but it is a lifelife, in that it enables the infinite toi experience the finite -- through us! that's why, in meditation, we try to still the thoughts; i.e. close the wound. , Max Dashu <maxdashu wrote: > > > how do you meditation on the wounds? You see yourself as the > >wounds, or the wounds as something on your body : like the normal > >wounds we see? or you see ourselves > >actually dressings these wounds? > > Delving into the wounds that dominate the mind, that lead to > compulsions and habitual fixations, and which give rise to bodily > illness as they go on. They can and certainly do include emotional > trauma, but what is the origin of that? It goes deep into that which is invisible to us, at least to the mind. > > I don't see myself as the wound. Am looking for the source of the > irritant, to relinquish the burdens of the past, the pain which is > held in the body (especially when the mind wasn't able to handle it at the time, and goes on behaving as if there is no issue, but the body knows better that something is unresolved). > > Our nature is not the wound, but we need to reintegrate our > impermanent self with all those deeper layers of Being. Entering into our true nature and deepening consciousness of That is the way that the wounds will be resolved. So diving deep, emptying out our pain, releasing it, flushing the wounds and washing them with grace, > through all the koshas. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 20, 2006 Report Share Posted October 20, 2006 , "NMadasamy" <nmadasamy wrote: > > Ive been trying to understand Ammachi's statement abt the mind being > wound. Hoping somebody from Ammachi group will be able to explain > but so far nobody comes along. Eventually I got this from a good > friend and I like to share it with all : > > How mind *could* be considered a wound. Our perception breaks up the > world into many pieces -- subjects and objects -- me and you -- us > and them, right? What is the source of this perception? the mind. > It limits the infinite so that we can live and move in the trealm of > time and experience so it is a wound in that it hacks unity into > pieces but it is a lifelife, in that it enables the infinite toi > experience the finite -- through us! A wound is sensitive,and subject to infection. I can understand this analogy, though to me it seems a bit cruel. I am no devotee of Amma; personally I find that it is less self-limiting to accept the wound and to appreciate the tenderness which makes one receptive. Mind also, I would suggest, is like the tongue. Just as a baby puts all into the mouth to understand, the tongue perceives as a sensory organ into adulthood, in differing ways > > that's why, in meditation, we try to still the thoughts; i.e. close > the wound. "trying" to still thoughts is active process and contradictory to my way of thinking .. I would suggest that engaging thoughts into stillness (my method is entirely unorthodox, so does not really merit exposition here) is an active manner of provoking inactivity which ends up at the same side of the circle, with the same contradiction but into a different direction? Wishing all many blessings of this festive season, ZN > > > > , Max Dashu <maxdashu@> > wrote: > > > > > how do you meditation on the wounds? You see yourself as the > > >wounds, or the wounds as something on your body : like the normal > > >wounds we see? or you see ourselves > > >actually dressings these wounds? > > > > Delving into the wounds that dominate the mind, that lead to > > compulsions and habitual fixations, and which give rise to bodily > > illness as they go on. They can and certainly do include emotional > > trauma, but what is the origin of that? It goes deep into that > which is invisible to us, at least to the mind. > > > > I don't see myself as the wound. Am looking for the source of the > > irritant, to relinquish the burdens of the past, the pain which is > > held in the body (especially when the mind wasn't able to handle > it at the time, and goes on behaving as if there is no issue, but > the body knows better that something is unresolved). > > > > Our nature is not the wound, but we need to reintegrate our > > impermanent self with all those deeper layers of Being. Entering > into our true nature and deepening consciousness of That is the way > that the wounds will be resolved. So diving deep, emptying out our > pain, releasing it, flushing the wounds and washing them with grace, > > through all the koshas. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 23, 2006 Report Share Posted October 23, 2006 , "znanna93" <ninahill wrote: A wound is sensitive, and subject to infection. I can understand this analogy, though to me it seems a bit cruel. I am no devotee of Amma; personally I find that it is less self-limiting to accept the wound and to appreciate the tenderness which makes one receptive. > > Mind also, I would suggest, is like the tongue. Just as a baby puts all into the mouth to understand, the tongue perceives as a sensory organ into adulthood, in differing ways > Well that is what I'm thinking too. To consider the mind as wound is I thought rather odd and yes to an extend cruel. Look I'm no devotee of Ammachi too, and I do hold her dear to in my heart, but it's just my nature that I do not just accept anything that is being utter even by the great. I'm taught to question, if it didn't make sense. Not to reject but to find an understanding. I'm sorry if this upset Ammachi's devotee here in the group. But this is what I am and who I am. I do not apologize for being such. I am a nurse still at heart. I am still passionate about wounds and have been trying till today to find the way of how I can help others I cross path in their healing process. To me to consider the mind as a wound and to be rejected is rather unacceptable. I ask the question : The mind as wounds and the wounds of the mind are they the same? This after reading the message posted by Max about Ammachi's remarks on mind and wound. As I read them, I feel [ from my own interpretation ] that there seems to be confusion with regards to this : wounds and the mind. We are all here jiva. As I personally believe the self, the mind and the body makes up what we are. They look as if they function as one, but they are not one. They are separate and have their own identity. Have we ever encounter a situation where we know our self and body is here in the lecture room but our mind is out there somewhere. Our senses may be 100% functioning, paying attention to the lecture, but our mind is out. Can we grasp anything being said? As I see it, the mind and the body is like the tool. The mind is the internal instrument and the body the external instrument we use to enhance our self, thus leads to our purification. If I give you a sword and you cut yourself why should it be the sword fault. If teach you how to start a fire, but instead you burn yourself, why should it be the fire fault. Thus it is said : the mind can be the bondage and the liberation as well. Understanding the true nature of the mind instead of rejecting it is what we should do. ecjensen_us wrote : She means the mind, like the wound, is the source of our pain. Ego is in the mind and it seeks logically understand that which is beyond logic and can't be understood but can only be experienced. philosophy and rationalizing can only take one so far as it is of the mind. one must take residence a couple floors down in the heart. God is in the heart. God is Love and can only be felt not understood. Are we all born with an ego? or the Ego develop from the time the umbilical cord severed from our mother? From the day we are born we are being nourish this whole concept of �I�. We are taught from childhood that we are special and as we grow into adulthood, we continue to nourish our ego. So ego is already embedded in our mind. It�s part of the development of the mind. Spiritualism is to find an understanding to all this whole issue of Ego : to tame it and to remove it [ if its possible] If the ego that creates this pain in the mind, then the ego is the wounds of the mind. The same with perception. What influence or affect our perception? k lakshmi wrote : Amma once said you can read about honey, even lick the word on the page but if you have never tasted honey you can't know it's sweetness. Yeah! Let me rephrase it : You can read about wounds. Talk about it. Try to meditate about it, but unless you actually have inflicted a wound on your skin, only then you will understand the true meaning of the word PAIN. But the wounds must heal. The wound that does not heal, to me something is not right there. "Our minds possess the power of healing pain and creating joy. If we use that power along with proper living, a positive attitude and meditations, we can heal not only our mental and emotional afflictions, but even physical problems" and lets see this statement again: "Realizing the true nature of our mind is the ultimate healing, but the ordinary mind also has healing powers." In its true nature, the mind is peaceful and enlightened Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 23, 2006 Report Share Posted October 23, 2006 Namaste: Doesn't Ammachi say that Westerners are too intellectual about everything? Maybe that's what she meant. --- NMadasamy <nmadasamy (AT) nmadasamy (DOT) com> wrote: > , "znanna93" > <ninahill > wrote: A wound is sensitive, and subject to > infection. I can > understand this analogy, though to me it seems a > bit cruel. I am no > devotee of Amma; personally I find that it is less > self-limiting to > accept the > wound and to appreciate the tenderness which makes > one receptive. > > > > Mind also, I would suggest, is like the tongue. > Just as a baby puts > all into the mouth to understand, the tongue > perceives as a sensory > organ into adulthood, in differing ways > > > > Well that is what I'm thinking too. To consider the > mind as wound is I > thought rather odd and yes to an extend cruel. Look > I'm no devotee of > Ammachi too, and I do hold her dear to in my heart, > but it's just my > nature that I do not just accept anything that is > being utter even by > the great. I'm taught to question, if it didn't make > sense. Not to > reject but to find an understanding. I'm sorry if > this upset Ammachi's > devotee here in the group. But this is what I am and > who I am. I do > not apologize for being such. > > I am a nurse still at heart. I am still passionate > about wounds and > have been trying till today to find the way of how I > can help others I > cross path in their healing process. To me to > consider the mind as a > wound and to be rejected is rather unacceptable. I > ask the question : > The mind as wounds and the wounds of the mind are > they the same? This > after reading the message posted by Max about > Ammachi's remarks on > mind and wound. As I read them, I feel [ from my own > interpretation ] > that there seems to be confusion with regards to > this : wounds and the > mind. > > We are all here jiva. As I personally believe the > self, the mind and > the body makes up what we are. They look as if they > function as one, > but they are not one. They are separate and have > their own identity. > Have we ever encounter a situation where we know our > self and body is > here in the lecture room but our mind is out there > somewhere. Our > senses may be 100% functioning, paying attention to > the lecture, but > our mind is out. Can we grasp anything being said? > > As I see it, the mind and the body is like the tool. > The mind is the > internal instrument and the body the external > instrument we use to > enhance our self, thus leads to our purification. If > I give you a > sword and you cut yourself why should it be the > sword fault. If teach > you how to start a fire, but instead you burn > yourself, why should it > be the fire fault. Thus it is said : the mind can be > the bondage and > the liberation as well. Understanding the true > nature of the mind > instead of rejecting it is what we should do. > > ecjensen_us wrote : She means the mind, like the > wound, is the source > of our pain. Ego is in the mind and it seeks > logically understand that > which is beyond logic and can't be understood but > can only be > experienced. philosophy and rationalizing can only > take one so far as > it is of the mind. one must take residence a couple > floors down in the > heart. God is in the heart. God is Love and can only > be felt not > understood. > > Are we all born with an ego? or the Ego develop from > the time the > umbilical cord severed from our mother? From the day > we are born we > are being nourish this whole concept of �I�. We > are taught from > childhood that we are special and as we grow into > adulthood, we > continue to nourish our ego. So ego is already > embedded in our mind. > It�s part of the development of the mind. > Spiritualism is to find an > understanding to all this whole issue of Ego : to > tame it and to > remove it [ if its possible] > If the ego that creates this pain in the mind, then > the ego is the > wounds of the mind. The same with perception. What > influence or affect > our perception? > > k lakshmi wrote : Amma once said you can read about > honey, even lick > the word on the > page but if you have never tasted honey you can't > know it's sweetness. > > Yeah! Let me rephrase it : You can read about > wounds. Talk about it. > Try to meditate about it, but unless you actually > have inflicted a > wound on your skin, only then you will understand > the true meaning of > the word PAIN. > > But the wounds must heal. The wound that does not > heal, to me > something is not right there. > > "Our minds possess the power of healing pain and > creating joy. If we > use that power along with proper living, a positive > attitude and > meditations, we can heal not only our mental and > emotional > afflictions, but even physical problems" > > and lets see this statement again: > > "Realizing the true nature of our mind is the > ultimate healing, but > the ordinary mind also has healing powers." > > In its true nature, the mind is peaceful and > enlightened > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 23, 2006 Report Share Posted October 23, 2006 Dear Nora, I am not offended as questioning is a good thing. Way too much on my plate right now, and i don't have anything more on this subject to offer at the moment, especially after what ecjensen said so well. blessed new year, max >Well that is what I'm thinking too. To consider the mind as wound is I >thought rather odd and yes to an extend cruel. Look I'm no devotee of >Ammachi too, and I do hold her dear to in my heart, but it's just my >nature that I do not just accept anything that is being utter even by >the great. I'm taught to question, if it didn't make sense. Not to >reject but to find an understanding. I'm sorry if this upset Ammachi's >devotee here in the group. But this is what I am and who I am. I do >not apologize for being such. > >I am a nurse still at heart. I am still passionate about wounds and >have been trying till today to find the way of how I can help others I >cross path in their healing process. To me to consider the mind as a >wound and to be rejected is rather unacceptable. I ask the question : >The mind as wounds and the wounds of the mind are they the same? This >after reading the message posted by Max about Ammachi's remarks on >mind and wound. As I read them, I feel [ from my own interpretation ] >that there seems to be confusion with regards to this : wounds and the >mind. > >We are all here jiva. As I personally believe the self, the mind and >the body makes up what we are. They look as if they function as one, >but they are not one. They are separate and have their own identity. >Have we ever encounter a situation where we know our self and body is >here in the lecture room but our mind is out there somewhere. Our >senses may be 100% functioning, paying attention to the lecture, but >our mind is out. Can we grasp anything being said? > >As I see it, the mind and the body is like the tool. The mind is the >internal instrument and the body the external instrument we use to >enhance our self, thus leads to our purification. If I give you a >sword and you cut yourself why should it be the sword fault. If teach >you how to start a fire, but instead you burn yourself, why should it >be the fire fault. Thus it is said : the mind can be the bondage and >the liberation as well. Understanding the true nature of the mind >instead of rejecting it is what we should do. > >ecjensen_us wrote : She means the mind, like the wound, is the source >of our pain. Ego is in the mind and it seeks logically understand that >which is beyond logic and can't be understood but can only be >experienced. philosophy and rationalizing can only take one so far as >it is of the mind. one must take residence a couple floors down in the >heart. God is in the heart. God is Love and can only be felt not >understood. > >Are we all born with an ego? or the Ego develop from the time the >umbilical cord severed from our mother? From the day we are born we >are being nourish this whole concept of �I�. We are taught from >childhood that we are special and as we grow into adulthood, we >continue to nourish our ego. So ego is already embedded in our mind. >It�s part of the development of the mind. Spiritualism is to find an >understanding to all this whole issue of Ego : to tame it and to >remove it [ if its possible] >If the ego that creates this pain in the mind, then the ego is the >wounds of the mind. The same with perception. What influence or affect >our perception? > >k lakshmi wrote : Amma once said you can read about honey, even lick >the word on the >page but if you have never tasted honey you can't know it's sweetness. > >Yeah! Let me rephrase it : You can read about wounds. Talk about it. >Try to meditate about it, but unless you actually have inflicted a >wound on your skin, only then you will understand the true meaning of >the word PAIN. > >But the wounds must heal. The wound that does not heal, to me >something is not right there. > >"Our minds possess the power of healing pain and creating joy. If we >use that power along with proper living, a positive attitude and >meditations, we can heal not only our mental and emotional >afflictions, but even physical problems" > >and lets see this statement again: > >"Realizing the true nature of our mind is the ultimate healing, but >the ordinary mind also has healing powers." > >In its true nature, the mind is peaceful and enlightened > > -- Max Dashu Suppressed Histories Archives Women in Global Perspective http://www.suppressedhistories.net New poster: Our Reproductive Rights! http://www.maxdashu.net/shamanic/reprorights.html Beautiful, multi-issue, empowering 11 x 17 laser print Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 25, 2006 Report Share Posted October 25, 2006 O Mother, who shines as the Ear of the ear, Mind of the mind, And Eye of the eye, You are the Life of life, the Life of the Living. The eyes cannot percieve you. The mind cannot grasp you. Words are hushed in your presence, O Mother. Whoever says they have seen you, Have not seen you- Because you, O great Goddess, Are beyond the intellect. , Starla Immak <starla_immak wrote: > > Namaste: > > Doesn't Ammachi say that Westerners are too > intellectual about everything? Maybe that's what she > meant. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 25, 2006 Report Share Posted October 25, 2006 , Starla Immak <starla_immak wrote: > > Namaste: > > Doesn't Ammachi say that Westerners are too > intellectual about everything? Maybe that's what she > meant. > > Well I'm not a westerner. I'm the byproduct of the merger of two great civilisation of Asia : India and China. The merger takes place in a small little nation call Singapore [ also popularly known as The Lion City]. I come from a country known to have "no creativity" at all. We cant think for ourselves, that is how we are being described. Does she meant people like me too? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 25, 2006 Report Share Posted October 25, 2006 Well Nora, Radhakrishnan, again, after ages; To the question of intellectuals; westerners, are they intellectuals? Wait till you take a lesson in sawtah pramana and paratah pramanah or even some of the rudimentary lessons in tarka such as pramana, viparyaya, vikalpa etc., or get to naiyaayikaa's or vaisheshikaa's version of what life is, who created it all to get a taste of the endless logamachies we taarkikaas like to engage in. But the point is intellectuals and logicians are as far away from God as Super Nova is from us earthlings. Om Namastripurasundari NMadasamy <nmadasamy (AT) nmadasamy (DOT) com> wrote: , Starla Immak <starla_immak wrote: > > Namaste: > > Doesn't Ammachi say that Westerners are too > intellectual about everything? Maybe that's what she > meant. > > Well I'm not a westerner. I'm the byproduct of the merger of two great civilisation of Asia : India and China. The merger takes place in a small little nation call Singapore [ also popularly known as The Lion City]. I come from a country known to have "no creativity" at all. We cant think for ourselves, that is how we are being described. Does she meant people like me too? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 26, 2006 Report Share Posted October 26, 2006 , Radhakrishnan J <jayaarshree wrote: > > But the point is intellectuals and logicians are as far away from God as Super Nova is from us earthlings. What about all those who follow deluded emotions? Are they any closer to god than the intellectualists? Westerners are already buying "Amma hugging dolls for 180 U$ each" in the online AMMA SHOP http://www.theammashop.org/dla.html ....and still no end to lessening the intellect? What more Amma thinks should they do? Should they grow fins and go back in the water again? Maybe a good idea..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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