[sri ramanuja] Tirumala Abhishekam ticket price hiked

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Tirumala Abhishekam ticket price hiked

 

 

 

Tirupati, Oct.12, 2006 (TIRUPATITIMES.COM)

 

The Tirumala Tirupati Devasthanams (TTD) which manages the famous hill

shrine of Lord Venkateswara at Tirumala near here today has decided to

hike the price of Friday's rituals -Abhishekam seva ticket from Rs

750 to Rs.2,500 and Vastralankara seva ticket from Rs 12,250 to

Rs.50,000.

 

 

 

The TTD Board in its monthly meeting on the hills on Thursday has also

decided to extend invitation to the President of India, Mr. A..P.J.Abdul

Kalam to release the 12 volumes of Sri Bhagavatham to be published by

TTD in December next, temple sources said.

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Srimathe Ramanujaya Namaha

Jai Sri krishna

What is the opinion of the repsected bhakthas in this forum on this hike in price of ticket???? I personaly do not agree with it. I recenlty attended a Kumbhabhishekam were sponsers who donated large ammounts of cash become yajmans and got best seats and 1st access to all the pujas, whilst others had to que for long hours. I found that this system often upset many non-paying devotees, who were were told at rituals that yajmans only or yajmans 1st. I felt that with this paying system created an elitist atmosphere which was opposite to feelings of satsang, equality and brotherhood.

amudala satyanarayana <scribesatya (AT) (DOT) co.in> wrote:

Tirumala Abhishekam ticket price hiked

Tirupati, Oct.12, 2006 (TIRUPATITIMES.COM)

The Tirumala Tirupati Devasthanams (TTD) which manages the famous hill shrine of Lord Venkateswara at Tirumala near here today has decided to hike the price of Friday's rituals -Abhishekam seva ticket from Rs 750 to Rs.2,500 and Vastralankara seva ticket from Rs 12,250 to Rs.50,000.

The TTD Board in its monthly meeting on the hills on Thursday has also decided to extend invitation to the President of India, Mr. A..P.J.Abdul Kalam to release the 12 volumes of Sri Bhagavatham to be published by TTD in December next, temple sources said.

 

 

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People believe in gradation of power of Lord, as they are not

exposed to the fundamentals of Vaishnavism. Even near the metro

Chennai, a few divyadesams like Thiruneermalai and Thiruninravur are

not well-attended while Triplicane, Thiruvallur and Sholingar are

thronged by thousands of devotees. This is because people believe so

and so Perumal is "more powerful".

 

Perumal and His powers are not limited by space and time, as

explained by Parasara Bhattar for the words "anAdi nidhanam"

and "vishNum". Even His incarnation as narasimha (whom many worship

to get rid of ailments) proves that He is omnipresent.

 

The concept of 108 divya dESams is also of later origin and was not

mooted by pUrvAchAryas. It is the purpose and intent of Azhwars to

praise the Lord wherever He is, not just the places mentioned in the

divya prabandham.

 

adiyen

Vishnu

ramanuja, pritesh patel <tesh_tel wrote:

>

> Srimathe Ramanujaya Namaha

>

> Jai Sri krishna

>

> What is the opinion of the repsected bhakthas in this forum on

this hike in price of ticket???? I personaly do not agree with it.

I recenlty attended a Kumbhabhishekam were sponsers who donated

large ammounts of cash become yajmans and got best seats and 1st

access to all the pujas, whilst others had to que for long hours. I

found that this system often upset many non-paying devotees, who

were were told at rituals that yajmans only or yajmans 1st. I felt

that with this paying system created an elitist atmosphere which

was opposite to feelings of satsang, equality and brotherhood.

>

> amudala satyanarayana <scribesatya wrote:

> Tirumala Abhishekam ticket price hiked

>

> Tirupati, Oct.12, 2006 (TIRUPATITIMES.COM)

> The Tirumala Tirupati Devasthanams (TTD) which manages the

famous hill shrine of Lord Venkateswara at Tirumala near here today

has decided to hike the price of Friday's rituals -Abhishekam seva

ticket from Rs 750 to Rs.2,500 and Vastralankara seva ticket from Rs

12,250 to Rs.50,000.

>

> The TTD Board in its monthly meeting on the hills on Thursday

has also decided to extend invitation to the President of India, Mr.

A..P.J.Abdul Kalam to release the 12 volumes of Sri Bhagavatham to

be published by TTD in December next, temple sources said.

>

>

>

>

> Send instant messages to your online friends

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Swamy Vishnu

 

adiyEn have slightly differing view here. The people who consider one perumal more powerful than other would be very less compared to the accessibility and the popularity based on the advertisements by devotee makes one go to one kShetram over the other. For sure any one from north hearing about Swamy Namalwar would want to go to thirukurungudi.For those north indians who go up to Rameshwaram it is not difficult to go to Thirukurungudi. But they are not popularised or not accessible easily. In fact I have seen many do not want to even try to go to any other place in view of the financial condition or other reasons, and they say perumal is in home itself then why they have to go to another place.

 

Hence the 108 Divya desam is similar concept to popularizing places, so that at the least people would go there. Common people those who are worshiping God for benefit would want to take very least steps and try to attain maximum profit. Hence they would want to go to place nearby or to those popular and accessible places. Those devotees who are above that would want to go to all divya ksHetrams in the boolokam, still refined devotee would want to walk all over the earth to seek those places where he can connect with God and his pure devotees places of past times.

 

It is the level of initiation towards one goal, that mostly matters.

 

Comming back to the ticket price, the exclusivism is the result of materialistic pursuit of those who are administering temples and not because of any other reason. Is it right or wrong is highly debatable as general people are not much in to the concept of God and they are more in to solving their daily issues. So if one need to be pulled in to doing some thing Godly, they need to be motivated. There are so many motivating agents such as advertising the greatness of a place, the diety etc and consequently popularising that place. Once done then there will be many willing to pay any price to get a chance to do certain activities. Hence that concept ensures its logivity as this is material world and in order for sustaining any concept, we require material opulance. Only difference is in the olden days our acharyas focus was to redeem people hence all principles were concentrated towards them, where as now it is business where the concentration is to the place.

 

Solution: as per adiyen's opinion which is our poorvacharya's way, to remove the administration from the shakles of Government and hand over to religious heads. Government was existing earlier also during the king's rule but our poorvacharyas did not gave the administration to King. Instead they established Math and Math heads to control and administer temples. So that they will be rendering services selflessly, perpetually in parampara system.

 

adiyEn rAmAnuja dAsan

 

Suresh

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Vishnu <vsmvishnu (AT) (DOT) co.in>

ramanuja

Sunday, October 15, 2006 6:59:13 AM

Re: [sri ramanuja] Tirumala Abhishekam ticket price hiked

 

People believe in gradation of power of Lord, as they are not

exposed to the fundamentals of Vaishnavism. Even near the metro

Chennai, a few divyadesams like Thiruneermalai and Thiruninravur are

not well-attended while Triplicane, Thiruvallur and Sholingar are

thronged by thousands of devotees. This is because people believe so

and so Perumal is "more powerful".

 

Perumal and His powers are not limited by space and time, as

explained by Parasara Bhattar for the words "anAdi nidhanam"

and "vishNum". Even His incarnation as narasimha (whom many worship

to get rid of ailments) proves that He is omnipresent.

 

The concept of 108 divya dESams is also of later origin and was not

mooted by pUrvAchAryas. It is the purpose and intent of Azhwars to

praise the Lord wherever He is, not just the places mentioned in the

divya prabandham.

 

adiyen

Vishnu

ramanuja@ s.com, pritesh patel <tesh_tel@.. .> wrote:

>

> Srimathe Ramanujaya Namaha

>

> Jai Sri krishna

>

> What is the opinion of the repsected bhakthas in this forum on

this hike in price of ticket???? I personaly do not agree with it.

I recenlty attended a Kumbhabhishekam were sponsers who donated

large ammounts of cash become yajmans and got best seats and 1st

access to all the pujas, whilst others had to que for long hours. I

found that this system often upset many non-paying devotees, who

were were told at rituals that yajmans only or yajmans 1st. I felt

that with this paying system created an elitist atmosphere which

was opposite to feelings of satsang, equality and brotherhood.

>

> amudala satyanarayana <scribesatya@ ...> wrote:

> Tirumala Abhishekam ticket price hiked

>

> Tirupati, Oct.12, 2006 (TIRUPATITIMES. COM)

> The Tirumala Tirupati Devasthanams (TTD) which manages the

famous hill shrine of Lord Venkateswara at Tirumala near here today

has decided to hike the price of Friday's rituals -Abhishekam seva

ticket from Rs 750 to Rs.2,500 and Vastralankara seva ticket from Rs

12,250 to Rs.50,000.

>

> The TTD Board in its monthly meeting on the hills on Thursday

has also decided to extend invitation to the President of India, Mr.

A..P.J.Abdul Kalam to release the 12 volumes of Sri Bhagavatham to

be published by TTD in December next, temple sources said.

>

>

>

>

> Send instant messages to your online friends

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Dear Swamy,

Money has been the deciding factor not only now but also in the olden days. To mix money with religion and God is to be discouraged by all. But this needs coordinated action from all not only in letters but also in sprit.

Simply by handing over the temples to the MUTTs will not solve the problem. Unless one realies that one should not make/mint money in the name of GOD,

it makes no difference whether the temple lies in the hands of MUTTs/governments.

It is the attitude, religious faith and conviction of an individual which is more important in this matter. A PERSON WHO IS HONEST AND FULL OF INTEGRITY WILL BE ALWAYS LIKE THAT WHETHER HE IS IN THE STREETS OR IN THE PALACE.

Thousand and thousands of words may not be enough to convince one about this. Thiruvengadamudaiyan HIMSELF has to inculcate among all his devotess the gnana that one is who is rich today is poor the next day. It is at HIS SANKALPA one becomes rich and another becomes poor. Though one needs money for the survival, that wealth should not make him arrogant/make him feel superior to all others. But this matearial wealth makes one think superior not only to other mortals but also to GOD. The real wealth is not material pleasure but OUR ACHARYAN EMBERUMANAR RAMANUJA.

If this gnana is attained by all, everybody will become KOORATHUAZHWAN.

To attain this gnana, we have to pray with folded hands and fall at the LOTUS FEET OF SWAMY RAMANUJA.

suresh iyengar <kp_suresh512 > wrote:

Swamy Vishnu

adiyEn have slightly differing view here. The people who consider one perumal more powerful than other would be very less compared to the accessibility and the popularity based on the advertisements by devotee makes one go to one kShetram over the other. For sure any one from north hearing about Swamy Namalwar would want to go to thirukurungudi.For those north indians who go up to Rameshwaram it is not difficult to go to Thirukurungudi. But they are not popularised or not accessible easily. In fact I have seen many do not want to even try to go to any other place in view of the financial condition or other reasons, and they say perumal is in home itself then why they have to go to another place.

Hence the 108 Divya desam is similar concept to popularizing places, so that at the least people would go there. Common people those who are worshiping God for benefit would want to take very least steps and try to attain maximum profit. Hence they would want to go to place nearby or to those popular and accessible places. Those devotees who are above that would want to go to all divya ksHetrams in the boolokam, still refined devotee would want to walk all over the earth to seek those places where he can connect with God and his pure devotees places of past times.

It is the level of initiation towards one goal, that mostly matters.

Comming back to the ticket price, the exclusivism is the result of materialistic pursuit of those who are administering temples and not because of any other reason. Is it right or wrong is highly debatable as general people are not much in to the concept of God and they are more in to solving their daily issues. So if one need to be pulled in to doing some thing Godly, they need to be motivated. There are so many motivating agents such as advertising the greatness of a place, the diety etc and consequently popularising that place. Once done then there will be many willing to pay any price to get a chance to do certain activities. Hence that concept ensures its logivity as this is material world and in order for sustaining any concept, we require material opulance. Only difference is in the olden days our acharyas focus was to redeem people hence all principles were concentrated towards them, where as now it is business where the concentration is to the place.

Solution: as per adiyen's opinion which is our poorvacharya's way, to remove the administration from the shakles of Government and hand over to religious heads. Government was existing earlier also during the king's rule but our poorvacharyas did not gave the administration to King. Instead they established Math and Math heads to control and administer temples. So that they will be rendering services selflessly, perpetually in parampara system.

adiyEn rAmAnuja dAsan

Suresh

 

 

Vishnu <vsmvishnu (AT) (DOT) co.in>

ramanuja

Sunday, October 15, 2006 6:59:13 AM

Re: [sri ramanuja] Tirumala Abhishekam ticket price hiked

 

People believe in gradation of power of Lord, as they are not

exposed to the fundamentals of Vaishnavism. Even near the metro

Chennai, a few divyadesams like Thiruneermalai and Thiruninravur are

not well-attended while Triplicane, Thiruvallur and Sholingar are

thronged by thousands of devotees. This is because people believe so

and so Perumal is "more powerful".

 

Perumal and His powers are not limited by space and time, as

explained by Parasara Bhattar for the words "anAdi nidhanam"

and "vishNum". Even His incarnation as narasimha (whom many worship

to get rid of ailments) proves that He is omnipresent.

 

The concept of 108 divya dESams is also of later origin and was not

mooted by pUrvAchAryas. It is the purpose and intent of Azhwars to

praise the Lord wherever He is, not just the places mentioned in the

divya prabandham.

 

adiyen

Vishnu

ramanuja@ s.com, pritesh patel <tesh_tel@.. .> wrote:

>

> Srimathe Ramanujaya Namaha

>

> Jai Sri krishna

>

> What is the opinion of the repsected bhakthas in this forum on

this hike in price of ticket???? I personaly do not agree with it.

I recenlty attended a Kumbhabhishekam were sponsers who donated

large ammounts of cash become yajmans and got best seats and 1st

access to all the pujas, whilst others had to que for long hours. I

found that this system often upset many non-paying devotees, who

were were told at rituals that yajmans only or yajmans 1st. I felt

that with this paying system created an elitist atmosphere which

was opposite to feelings of satsang, equality and brotherhood.

>

> amudala satyanarayana <scribesatya@ ...> wrote:

> Tirumala Abhishekam ticket price hiked

>

> Tirupati, Oct.12, 2006 (TIRUPATITIMES. COM)

> The Tirumala Tirupati Devasthanams (TTD) which manages the

famous hill shrine of Lord Venkateswara at Tirumala near here today

has decided to hike the price of Friday's rituals -Abhishekam seva

ticket from Rs 750 to Rs.2,500 and Vastralankara seva ticket from Rs

12,250 to Rs.50,000.

>

> The TTD Board in its monthly meeting on the hills on Thursday

has also decided to extend invitation to the President of India, Mr.

A..P.J.Abdul Kalam to release the 12 volumes of Sri Bhagavatham to

be published by TTD in December next, temple sources said.

>

>

>

>

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Dear Sriman Suresh swami,

 

I agree with your view also:) But the point I was driving towards in

my previous mail was different. There are many villages and towns

with beautiful sannidhis for emberumAn. Locals of these people never

bother to go to these temples but take up yAtrAs to

Thirumalai/Sholingar for the fulfilment of their wishes. After all

it is the same SrimannArAyaNan Who is blessing with His presence in

these temples in the villages/towns. Instead of putting thousands of

rupees in the Tirupati temple Hundi, is it not better for these

people to offer a few rupees to a temple in their own locality for

its survival?

 

adiyen

Vishnu

 

ramanuja, suresh iyengar <kp_suresh512

wrote:

>

> Swamy Vishnu

>

> adiyEn have slightly differing view here. The people who consider

one perumal more powerful than other would be very less compared to

the accessibility and the popularity based on the advertisements by

devotee makes one go to one kShetram over the other. For sure any

one from north hearing about Swamy Namalwar would want to go to

thirukurungudi.For those north indians who go up to Rameshwaram it

is not difficult to go to Thirukurungudi. But they are not

popularised or not accessible easily. In fact I have seen many do

not want to even try to go to any other place in view of the

financial condition or other reasons, and they say perumal is in

home itself then why they have to go to another place.

>

> Hence the 108 Divya desam is similar concept to popularizing

places, so that at the least people would go there. Common people

those who are worshiping God for benefit would want to take very

least steps and try to attain maximum profit. Hence they would want

to go to place nearby or to those popular and accessible places.

Those devotees who are above that would want to go to all divya

ksHetrams in the boolokam, still refined devotee would want to walk

all over the earth to seek those places where he can connect with

God and his pure devotees places of past times.

>

> It is the level of initiation towards one goal, that mostly

matters.

>

> Comming back to the ticket price, the exclusivism is the result of

materialistic pursuit of those who are administering temples and not

because of any other reason. Is it right or wrong is highly

debatable as general people are not much in to the concept of God

and they are more in to solving their daily issues. So if one need

to be pulled in to doing some thing Godly, they need to be

motivated. There are so many motivating agents such as advertising

the greatness of a place, the diety etc and consequently

popularising that place. Once done then there will be many willing

to pay any price to get a chance to do certain activities. Hence

that concept ensures its logivity as this is material world and in

order for sustaining any concept, we require material opulance.

Only difference is in the olden days our acharyas focus was to

redeem people hence all principles were concentrated towards them,

where as now it is business where the concentration is to the place.

>

> Solution: as per adiyen's opinion which is our poorvacharya's way,

to remove the administration from the shakles of Government and hand

over to religious heads. Government was existing earlier also during

the king's rule but our poorvacharyas did not gave the

administration to King. Instead they established Math and Math heads

to control and administer temples. So that they will be rendering

services selflessly, perpetually in parampara system.

>

> adiyEn rAmAnuja dAsan

>

> Suresh

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

> Vishnu <vsmvishnu

> ramanuja

> Sunday, October 15, 2006 6:59:13 AM

> Re: [sri ramanuja] Tirumala Abhishekam ticket price hiked

>

> People believe in gradation of power of Lord, as they are not

> exposed to the fundamentals of Vaishnavism. Even near the metro

> Chennai, a few divyadesams like Thiruneermalai and Thiruninravur

are

> not well-attended while Triplicane, Thiruvallur and Sholingar are

> thronged by thousands of devotees. This is because people believe

so

> and so Perumal is "more powerful".

>

> Perumal and His powers are not limited by space and time, as

> explained by Parasara Bhattar for the words "anAdi nidhanam"

> and "vishNum". Even His incarnation as narasimha (whom many

worship

> to get rid of ailments) proves that He is omnipresent.

>

> The concept of 108 divya dESams is also of later origin and was

not

> mooted by pUrvAchAryas. It is the purpose and intent of Azhwars to

> praise the Lord wherever He is, not just the places mentioned in

the

> divya prabandham.

>

> adiyen

> Vishnu

> ramanuja@ s.com, pritesh patel <tesh_tel@ .>

wrote:

> >

> > Srimathe Ramanujaya Namaha

> >

> > Jai Sri krishna

> >

> > What is the opinion of the repsected bhakthas in this forum on

> this hike in price of ticket???? I personaly do not agree with it.

> I recenlty attended a Kumbhabhishekam were sponsers who donated

> large ammounts of cash become yajmans and got best seats and 1st

> access to all the pujas, whilst others had to que for long hours.

I

> found that this system often upset many non-paying devotees, who

> were were told at rituals that yajmans only or yajmans 1st. I felt

> that with this paying system created an elitist atmosphere which

> was opposite to feelings of satsang, equality and brotherhood.

> >

> > amudala satyanarayana <scribesatya@ ...> wrote:

> > Tirumala Abhishekam ticket price hiked

> >

> > Tirupati, Oct.12, 2006 (TIRUPATITIMES. COM)

> > The Tirumala Tirupati Devasthanams (TTD) which manages the

> famous hill shrine of Lord Venkateswara at Tirumala near here

today

> has decided to hike the price of Friday's rituals -Abhishekam seva

> ticket from Rs 750 to Rs.2,500 and Vastralankara seva ticket from

Rs

> 12,250 to Rs.50,000.

> >

> > The TTD Board in its monthly meeting on the hills on Thursday

> has also decided to extend invitation to the President of India,

Mr.

> A..P.J.Abdul Kalam to release the 12 volumes of Sri Bhagavatham to

> be published by TTD in December next, temple sources said.

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > Send instant messages to your online friends

> http://uk.messenger .

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Dear Swamy

 

adiyEn thinks we both are talking the same but adiyEn was trying to give another angle to that problem.

 

Now coming back to Mutt heads, they are supposed to be of renounced order. adiyEn only meant those that are totally renounced order and who are pure devotees. A pure devotee shuns material aspiration. And when a temple is governed by a morally and spiritually high person, the rest will follow. That is why they were called “simHAthipatHis” even though they are of renounced order; they commanded more respect than the King because of their wealth vairagyA. The Bhagawan shabtham is attributed to Lord Krishna because he is supposed to be opulent in 6 major qualities out of which one is renunciation. He is a renounced of highest order hence in order to seek his mercy and inch towards him, the seeker also tends to renounce by the same mercy of Lord. That is why it is easy to do it by a person of renounced order. Where as, if he is a gruhasthA it will be difficult and that is the same reason why temple administration was handed over in earlier times to mattatHipatHis.

 

What happened after independence in many Mutts is that they lost all their revenue earning properties to land ceiling act etc. Of late in Andraradesh the new chief minister is talking of selling for nominal price thousands of acres of land to people (political people) since the government could not recover taxes from those lands. So once for all all those properties would go to some big fish in the political system. So in order to sustain the mutts, our sanyasis who are supposed to worry about safe guarding the Dharma has to start worrying about the sustenance of the mutt. This is a greatest tragedy. Many mutt heads are traveling all over India and abroad more than what they would have done during their gruhastrashrama, just to sustain the age old tradition. So they all started appearing commercial.

 

Actually many mutts are struggling to run and are some how keeping them afloat and few days back one of this group member raised about one of the mutt in kancheepuram and the condition of the Jeer there. So that is the state of our temples and mutts. They all have rich tradition where they never asked any money from kings but they were given lands for sustaining that precious knowledge of God. Unfortunately those kings did not thought there will be one day when an elected government (by people) will come and simply grab a private property donated to God’s work will be distributed to few greedy land sharks.

 

adiyEn ramAnuja dasan

 

Suresh

 

 

 

kidambi naranan kidambi naranan <kidambi_5 (AT) (DOT) co.in>

ramanuja

Sunday, October 15, 2006 11:01:42 AM

Re: [sri ramanuja] Tirumala Abhishekam ticket price hiked

 

Dear Swamy,

 

Money has been the deciding factor not only now but also in the olden days. To mix money with religion and God is to be discouraged by all. But this needs coordinated action from all not only in letters but also in sprit.

 

Simply by handing over the temples to the MUTTs will not solve the problem. Unless one realies that one should not make/mint money in the name of GOD,

it makes no difference whether the temple lies in the hands of MUTTs/governments.

 

It is the attitude, religious faith and conviction of an individual which is more important in this matter. A PERSON WHO IS HONEST AND FULL OF INTEGRITY WILL BE ALWAYS LIKE THAT WHETHER HE IS IN THE STREETS OR IN THE PALACE.

 

Thousand and thousands of words may not be enough to convince one about this. Thiruvengadamudaiya n HIMSELF has to inculcate among all his devotess the gnana that one is who is rich today is poor the next day. It is at HIS SANKALPA one becomes rich and another becomes poor. Though one needs money for the survival, that wealth should not make him arrogant/make him feel superior to all others. But this matearial wealth makes one think superior not only to other mortals but also to GOD. The real wealth is not material pleasure but OUR ACHARYAN EMBERUMANAR RAMANUJA.

 

If this gnana is attained by all, everybody will become KOORATHUAZHWAN.

 

To attain this gnana, we have to pray with folded hands and fall at the LOTUS FEET OF SWAMY RAMANUJA.

 

 

suresh iyengar <kp_suresh512@ > wrote:

Swamy Vishnu

 

adiyEn have slightly differing view here. The people who consider one perumal more powerful than other would be very less compared to the accessibility and the popularity based on the advertisements by devotee makes one go to one kShetram over the other. For sure any one from north hearing about Swamy Namalwar would want to go to thirukurungudi. For those north indians who go up to Rameshwaram it is not difficult to go to Thirukurungudi. But they are not popularised or not accessible easily. In fact I have seen many do not want to even try to go to any other place in view of the financial condition or other reasons, and they say perumal is in home itself then why they have to go to another place.

 

Hence the 108 Divya desam is similar concept to popularizing places, so that at the least people would go there. Common people those who are worshiping God for benefit would want to take very least steps and try to attain maximum profit. Hence they would want to go to place nearby or to those popular and accessible places. Those devotees who are above that would want to go to all divya ksHetrams in the boolokam, still refined devotee would want to walk all over the earth to seek those places where he can connect with God and his pure devotees places of past times.

 

It is the level of initiation towards one goal, that mostly matters.

 

Comming back to the ticket price, the exclusivism is the result of materialistic pursuit of those who are administering temples and not because of any other reason. Is it right or wrong is highly debatable as general people are not much in to the concept of God and they are more in to solving their daily issues. So if one need to be pulled in to doing some thing Godly, they need to be motivated. There are so many motivating agents such as advertising the greatness of a place, the diety etc and consequently popularising that place. Once done then there will be many willing to pay any price to get a chance to do certain activities. Hence that concept ensures its logivity as this is material world and in order for sustaining any concept, we require material opulance. Only difference is in the olden days our acharyas focus was to redeem people hence all principles were concentrated towards them, where as now it is business where the concentration is to the place.

 

Solution: as per adiyen's opinion which is our poorvacharya' s way, to remove the administration from the shakles of Government and hand over to religious heads. Government was existing earlier also during the king's rule but our poorvacharyas did not gave the administration to King. Instead they established Math and Math heads to control and administer temples. So that they will be rendering services selflessly, perpetually in parampara system.

 

adiyEn rAmAnuja dAsan

 

Suresh

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Vishnu <vsmvishnu (AT) (DOT) co.in>

ramanuja@ s.com

Sunday, October 15, 2006 6:59:13 AM

Re: [sri ramanuja] Tirumala Abhishekam ticket price hiked

 

 

People believe in gradation of power of Lord, as they are not

exposed to the fundamentals of Vaishnavism. Even near the metro

Chennai, a few divyadesams like Thiruneermalai and Thiruninravur are

not well-attended while Triplicane, Thiruvallur and Sholingar are

thronged by thousands of devotees. This is because people believe so

and so Perumal is "more powerful".

 

Perumal and His powers are not limited by space and time, as

explained by Parasara Bhattar for the words "anAdi nidhanam"

and "vishNum". Even His incarnation as narasimha (whom many worship

to get rid of ailments) proves that He is omnipresent.

 

The concept of 108 divya dESams is also of later origin and was not

mooted by pUrvAchAryas. It is the purpose and intent of Azhwars to

praise the Lord wherever He is, not just the places mentioned in the

divya prabandham.

 

adiyen

Vishnu

ramanuja@ s.com, pritesh patel <tesh_tel@.. .> wrote:

>

> Srimathe Ramanujaya Namaha

>

> Jai Sri krishna

>

> What is the opinion of the repsected bhakthas in this forum on

this hike in price of ticket???? I personaly do not agree with it.

I recenlty attended a Kumbhabhishekam were sponsers who donated

large ammounts of cash become yajmans and got best seats and 1st

access to all the pujas, whilst others had to que for long hours. I

found that this system often upset many non-paying devotees, who

were were told at rituals that yajmans only or yajmans 1st. I felt

that with this paying system created an elitist atmosphere which

was opposite to feelings of satsang, equality and brotherhood.

>

> amudala satyanarayana <scribesatya@ ...> wrote:

> Tirumala Abhishekam ticket price hiked

>

> Tirupati, Oct.12, 2006 (TIRUPATITIMES. COM)

> The Tirumala Tirupati Devasthanams (TTD) which manages the

famous hill shrine of Lord Venkateswara at Tirumala near here today

has decided to hike the price of Friday's rituals -Abhishekam seva

ticket from Rs 750 to Rs.2,500 and Vastralankara seva ticket from Rs

12,250 to Rs.50,000.

>

> The TTD Board in its monthly meeting on the hills on Thursday

has also decided to extend invitation to the President of India, Mr.

A..P.J.Abdul Kalam to release the 12 volumes of Sri Bhagavatham to

be published by TTD in December next, temple sources said.

>

>

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Dear srimAn Vishnu swAmi

 

Adiyen agree totally with you. Unfortunately as long as the common public is after material gains and do not seek spiritual gains, these trend will continue.

 

mAyA enhances mAyA. Many people drop their ill gotten wealth in the hundi. Common public do not drop money but what they can drop is only their hair. Also since the temple is so prohibitive to common public, many visit only once in a year or so, since people not only from every part of the Country but world is visiting that temple. But as Sri. Arjun enveloped Lord Krishna in heart, we all have Lord Srinivasa in our heart. So he is residing not in Tirumala, but in all our hearts.

 

The main point here is atleast that one temple is sustaining respect from all political spectrum because of the wealth and patranage. That is the main reason the political people have agreed in principle to declare 7 hills as Hindu center. So Lord Srinivasa has created arround him people who want to have this Temple to grow in this way. That is also his samkalpam.

 

All will change as the time passes. Nothing is permanant hence there is no need to worry, other than worrying about how to strongly keep Lord Srinivasa in our heart from that split second Darshan

 

adiyEn rAmAnuja dAsan

 

Suresh

 

 

 

Vishnu <vsmvishnu (AT) (DOT) co.in>

ramanuja

Tuesday, October 17, 2006 1:15:47 PM

Re: [sri ramanuja] Tirumala Abhishekam ticket price hiked

 

Dear Sriman Suresh swami,

 

I agree with your view also:) But the point I was driving towards in

my previous mail was different. There are many villages and towns

with beautiful sannidhis for emberumAn. Locals of these people never

bother to go to these temples but take up yAtrAs to

Thirumalai/Sholinga r for the fulfilment of their wishes. After all

it is the same SrimannArAyaNan Who is blessing with His presence in

these temples in the villages/towns. Instead of putting thousands of

rupees in the Tirupati temple Hundi, is it not better for these

people to offer a few rupees to a temple in their own locality for

its survival?

 

adiyen

Vishnu

 

ramanuja@ s.com, suresh iyengar <kp_suresh512@ ...>

wrote:

>

> Swamy Vishnu

>

> adiyEn have slightly differing view here. The people who consider

one perumal more powerful than other would be very less compared to

the accessibility and the popularity based on the advertisements by

devotee makes one go to one kShetram over the other. For sure any

one from north hearing about Swamy Namalwar would want to go to

thirukurungudi. For those north indians who go up to Rameshwaram it

is not difficult to go to Thirukurungudi. But they are not

popularised or not accessible easily. In fact I have seen many do

not want to even try to go to any other place in view of the

financial condition or other reasons, and they say perumal is in

home itself then why they have to go to another place.

>

> Hence the 108 Divya desam is similar concept to popularizing

places, so that at the least people would go there. Common people

those who are worshiping God for benefit would want to take very

least steps and try to attain maximum profit. Hence they would want

to go to place nearby or to those popular and accessible places.

Those devotees who are above that would want to go to all divya

ksHetrams in the boolokam, still refined devotee would want to walk

all over the earth to seek those places where he can connect with

God and his pure devotees places of past times.

>

> It is the level of initiation towards one goal, that mostly

matters.

>

> Comming back to the ticket price, the exclusivism is the result of

materialistic pursuit of those who are administering temples and not

because of any other reason. Is it right or wrong is highly

debatable as general people are not much in to the concept of God

and they are more in to solving their daily issues. So if one need

to be pulled in to doing some thing Godly, they need to be

motivated. There are so many motivating agents such as advertising

the greatness of a place, the diety etc and consequently

popularising that place. Once done then there will be many willing

to pay any price to get a chance to do certain activities. Hence

that concept ensures its logivity as this is material world and in

order for sustaining any concept, we require material opulance.

Only difference is in the olden days our acharyas focus was to

redeem people hence all principles were concentrated towards them,

where as now it is business where the concentration is to the place.

>

> Solution: as per adiyen's opinion which is our poorvacharya' s way,

to remove the administration from the shakles of Government and hand

over to religious heads. Government was existing earlier also during

the king's rule but our poorvacharyas did not gave the

administration to King. Instead they established Math and Math heads

to control and administer temples. So that they will be rendering

services selflessly, perpetually in parampara system.

>

> adiyEn rAmAnuja dAsan

>

> Suresh

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

> Vishnu <vsmvishnu@. ..>

> ramanuja@ s.com

> Sunday, October 15, 2006 6:59:13 AM

> Re: [sri ramanuja] Tirumala Abhishekam ticket price hiked

>

> People believe in gradation of power of Lord, as they are not

> exposed to the fundamentals of Vaishnavism. Even near the metro

> Chennai, a few divyadesams like Thiruneermalai and Thiruninravur

are

> not well-attended while Triplicane, Thiruvallur and Sholingar are

> thronged by thousands of devotees. This is because people believe

so

> and so Perumal is "more powerful".

>

> Perumal and His powers are not limited by space and time, as

> explained by Parasara Bhattar for the words "anAdi nidhanam"

> and "vishNum". Even His incarnation as narasimha (whom many

worship

> to get rid of ailments) proves that He is omnipresent.

>

> The concept of 108 divya dESams is also of later origin and was

not

> mooted by pUrvAchAryas. It is the purpose and intent of Azhwars to

> praise the Lord wherever He is, not just the places mentioned in

the

> divya prabandham.

>

> adiyen

> Vishnu

> ramanuja@ s.com, pritesh patel <tesh_tel@ .>

wrote:

> >

> > Srimathe Ramanujaya Namaha

> >

> > Jai Sri krishna

> >

> > What is the opinion of the repsected bhakthas in this forum on

> this hike in price of ticket???? I personaly do not agree with it.

> I recenlty attended a Kumbhabhishekam were sponsers who donated

> large ammounts of cash become yajmans and got best seats and 1st

> access to all the pujas, whilst others had to que for long hours.

I

> found that this system often upset many non-paying devotees, who

> were were told at rituals that yajmans only or yajmans 1st. I felt

> that with this paying system created an elitist atmosphere which

> was opposite to feelings of satsang, equality and brotherhood.

> >

> > amudala satyanarayana <scribesatya@ ...> wrote:

> > Tirumala Abhishekam ticket price hiked

> >

> > Tirupati, Oct.12, 2006 (TIRUPATITIMES. COM)

> > The Tirumala Tirupati Devasthanams (TTD) which manages the

> famous hill shrine of Lord Venkateswara at Tirumala near here

today

> has decided to hike the price of Friday's rituals -Abhishekam seva

> ticket from Rs 750 to Rs.2,500 and Vastralankara seva ticket from

Rs

> 12,250 to Rs.50,000.

> >

> > The TTD Board in its monthly meeting on the hills on Thursday

> has also decided to extend invitation to the President of India,

Mr.

> A..P.J.Abdul Kalam to release the 12 volumes of Sri Bhagavatham to

> be published by TTD in December next, temple sources said.

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > Send instant messages to your online friends

> http://uk.messenger .

> >

>