Guest guest Posted October 16, 2006 Report Share Posted October 16, 2006 It's really pointless on posting this article on this public forum. I think it will be nice if we nicely use our brain sometimes. This article is already on public website, why reposting it here? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 16, 2006 Report Share Posted October 16, 2006 In a message dated 10/16/2006 8:53:31 AM Pacific Standard Time, Isvara.GGS (AT) pamho (DOT) net writes: It's really pointless on posting this article on this public forum. I think it will be nice if we nicely use our brain sometimes. This article is already on public website, why reposting it here? because not everyone may have seen it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 16, 2006 Report Share Posted October 16, 2006 In a message dated 10/16/2006 8:53:31 AM Pacific Standard Time, Isvara.GGS (AT) pamho (DOT) net writes: It's really pointless on posting this article on this public forum. I think it will be nice if we nicely use our brain sometimes. This article is already on public website, why reposting it here? Prabhu are you trying to cover up from someone? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 17, 2006 Report Share Posted October 17, 2006 > In a message dated 10/16/2006 8:53:31 AM Pacific Standard Time, > Isvara.GGS (AT) pamho (DOT) net writes: > It's really pointless on posting this article on this public forum. I > think it will be nice if we nicely use our brain sometimes. This article > is already on public website, why reposting it here? > Prabhu are you trying to cover up from someone? It's not a question of covering up for anybody. It's a matter of proper utilisation of our time which is to develop Krishna consciousness and encourage others to do so. This posting will simply inflame more faithlessness in the minds of already doubtful people. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 17, 2006 Report Share Posted October 17, 2006 > It's really pointless on posting this article on this public forum. I > think it will be nice if we nicely use our brain sometimes. This article > is already on public website, why reposting it here? I absolutely agree. What is the use of yet another session of moaning and whining about the past? And who can deny that ISKCON is not doing everything in its power to right the wrongs? And to those who are traumatized by their childhood in ISKCON I can only say that it is not a good idea to let people trained in modern psychology mess with your minds. Anyone who is not trained as a devotee in the psychology of the three modes of material nature as explained by Krishna in the Bhagavad Gita is not fit to guide anyone mentally. They'll just be part of the cheaters and the cheated, just as anyone who seeks help from them will be. There is only one way to get peace of mind in this age, and that is by chanting Hare Krishna. All problems will go away by the chanting of the Maha mantra, and there is no other way. This is emphatically stated again and again by the acharyas, and it is also the experience of countless devotees all over the world. Anyone who says differently is simply deluded by his own mind. ys, jdd Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 17, 2006 Report Share Posted October 17, 2006 In a message dated 10/16/2006 5:34:11 PM Pacific Standard Time, Isvara.GGS (AT) pamho (DOT) net writes: It's not a question of covering up for anybody. It's a matter of proper utilisation of our time which is to develop Krishna consciousness and encourage others to do so. This posting will simply inflame more faithlessness in the minds of already doubtful people. These are the same excuses used by past leaders in ISKCON, to expose wrongs is a good thing, I am not saying I absolutely agree with every thing this Gurukuli has written but for those with a strong mind and fixed up KC,can handle to hear such constructive criticism that is spoken with everyone's welfare in mind. Like no one wanted to accept that the 11 acaryas where not all that great as they had posed themselves, it did not take away the glories to Sri Krona or Serial Prabhupada, we should not be blind, Brahmans like Chanakya Pandita could never be paid bribed or made to not speak the truth even if not palatabel.Surely it is right of all ISKCON members to hear this devotees complaints, if someone is an uttama adhikari and will not want to see faults even when there is some. The they better stay of the Internet all together, and chant and read, Srila Prabhupada once chastised a senior devotee for not correcting nonsense, this is not the middle ages of ISKCON where you can censor anything like Harikesa and others did to run or with one of "his" own disciple and a handsome amount of laxmi . Cheating is not allowed and certainly not child abuse..if you can't handle it Isvara Prabhu go around Govardhana and be happy in Vrindavan , these are not the corrupt days of Kirtananada or Harikesa anymore.I guess something sensitive was said about some devotees in Vrindavan??? That must be the cause of your over reaction if it is the truth let it be spoken.And in regards to Jahnus comment on chanting even in Kartika some preach it is not good to chant 64 rounds every day....so much for inflaming faithlessness even in the holy name, Prabhus if any devotee , of any caliber tells you it is not OK to chant 64 rounds a day during Kartika do not listen to him/her....this is real sraddha, it is time we stop educating devotees to become brainless followers, that outside people think sometimes act like zombies on any whims a "senior" devotee has... Bhaktivinoda Thakura has written: Forget the past that sleeps and ne'er The future dream at all, But act in time that are with thee And progress thee shall call. But tell me not in reasoning cold, The soul is made alone By Earth's mechanic lifeless rules And to destruction prone. My God who gave us life and all Alone the soul can kill Or give it all the joys above His promise to fulfill. So push thy onward march, O soul, Against an evil deed That stands with soldiers Hate and Lust-- A hero be indeed. Maintain thy post in spirit world As firmly as you can, Let never matter push thee down-- O stand heroic man! O Sharagrahi Vaishnava soul, Thou art an angel fair; Lead, lead me on to Vrindavan And spirit's power declare. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 17, 2006 Report Share Posted October 17, 2006 At 03:41 17/10/2006, Jahnu (Dvipa das JPS) (Mayapur - IN) they siad to all of us: I read the contents carefully, and submit my reply > > It's really pointless on posting this article on this public forum. I > > think it will be nice if we nicely use our brain sometimes. This article > > is already on public website, why reposting it here? > >I absolutely agree. What is the use of yet another session of moaning and >whining about the past? And who can deny that ISKCON is not doing everything >in its power to right the wrongs? We just had Tamohara in England, I asked if him if abuse is still happening today, unfortunately it is. Also, if some individuals have still not been brought to task for what they did in the past, then it will keep coming up. Tamohara also told us the biggest mistake ISKCON made was to try and protect the society when all the accounts of abuse came out, not to expose the society, but it backfired big time, hence the huge lawsuit. Sometime devotees put things on public conferences because they feel nobody is listening, sure now something is being done. Tamohara also told us the guy who has taken the case of the gurukulis, Turley? said of all the groups the Hare Krsna's have responded the best, by admitting the abuse, setting up their own CPO etc, he said it on public TV! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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