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hi,

 

Most texts of advaita, though inspirational, seem to be meant for

disciples in relatively more advanced states; seekers with unwavering

belief in advaita and a deep desire for learning having spiritually

mature minds, so on and so forth.

 

How does one align what advaita teaches, for example, concepts of

Brahman and Maya with an ordinary regular life? It seems to me unless

one is spiritually advanced, these same elevating principles have the

capability of causing one to be in a state of neither here nor there,

like the King Trishanku in the Rishi Vishwamitra story. In the present

context, neither able to lead a normal samsaric worldly life nor live a

renounce-everything spiritual life.

 

Apart from finding a good guru, I was wondering if there are other

answers. I would assume a guru would also want a disciple with certain

minimum qualifications. I was wondering if there are any other texts you

could recommend. Or does this fall outside the purview of advaita?

 

Are there texts which focus on leading a regular life and imbibing the

concepts of advaita till one has advanced to a state where one can

rightly understand and apply advaitic principles. Is the Bhagavad Gita

the answer here?

 

Regards,

Ravi

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Dear Ravi-ji

Pranams

I appreciate your question.

It is only when one realizes the folly a normal wordly

samsaric existence can one even come to advaita.

Some degree of viveka and vairagya has to be present

that got you here & interested in advaita (- unless

this is just a passing fancy in a philosophy that

sounds interesting..)

 

Having said that, advaita is certainly, not only

compatible with normal wordly living, it can actually

help enhance its quality.

 

You gain a wonderful quality called perspective.

This perspective helps us in dealing with

relationships.

If samsara can be narrowed down to one or two key

problems - relationships - with family, friends,

peers, colleagues, - both positive and negative ones

certainly would be one of them for most people.

Vedanta gives us an ability to understand

relationships, allows to develop a distance between

our natural state of being, and the roles that we are

called to play every minute of the day.

As that distance grows, our sense of mental equanimity

grows as well.

 

Vedanta rightly understood, helps us gain a

perspective about your work as well. Karmayoga makes

us a more efficient worker, a more focussed

undistracted person.

 

Vedanta also gives us a perspective about your place

in the world - it gives us answers to why I am here?

what is my calling? - it helps us understand a source

for that perennial sense of restless unease we always

seem to be hiding from by distracting ourselves with

things each more meaningless than the prior.

 

It enhances our appreciation for ethical standards of

living, for cultivation of values, and makes it easy

for us to develop ourselves into better humans.

 

Ultimately it helps us progressively understand God or

Ishwara and develop love for Him and His creation, so

everything in our environment, animate and inanimate,

is seen by us as His manifestation, as He Himself.(The

ultimate goal of course is to see that as Me, MySelf)

This helps us develop a natural love for the

environment, a love for nature, and more importantly a

love for other people I am asked to relate to as part

of my duty, regardless of how their behavior in my

deeply ingrained valuesystem.

 

Vedantic study is thus not simply an exercise in

scholarship in books on advaita. It effects a

metamorphosis of ones personality and helps

progressively refine and define the divinity that is

already preexistent in your very core.

 

To this end, The Bhagwad Gita I think is the most

complete scripture we can ever hope to find. Studies

with the help of a traditional Guru, and putting into

practice its message, is sufficient to help you gain a

step-by-step understanding of karmayoga, bhakti,

dhyana, and gain jnana. No other book or scripture is

really speaking even needed.(my thoughts only)-such is

the greatness of this wonderful work.

 

There are excellent books that more elaborately and

eloquently address these issues by Swami Sivananda,

Swami Chimayananda, Swami Dayananda, and others, that

have written primarily for early seekers and are of a

very general nature.

 

 

Best wishes, and humble pranams

Hari OM

Shyam

 

--- ravicande <ravicande (AT) (DOT) co.in> wrote:

 

> hi,

>

> Most texts of advaita, though inspirational, seem to

> be meant for

> disciples in relatively more advanced states;

> seekers with unwavering

> belief in advaita and a deep desire for

> learning having spiritually

> mature minds, so on and so forth.

>

> How does one align what advaita teaches, for

> example, concepts of

> Brahman and Maya with an ordinary regular life? It

> seems to me unless

> one is spiritually advanced, these same elevating

> principles have the

> capability of causing one to be in a state of

> neither here nor there,

 

 

 

 

 

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Thanks Shyamji for taking the time to address the question of advaithic

teaching and ordinary daily life. You wrote that

 

"You gain a wonderful quality called perspective. This perspective helps us

in dealing with relationships".

and also that " Vedanta rightly understood, helps us gain a perspective

about your work as well. Karmayoga makes us a more efficient worker, a more

focussed undistracted person". This is very true, especially the latter. In

this regard I find your detailed exposition on Geeta 3.30 immensely helpful

(mssg 33009/Sept 5). In fact in the past 2 weeks whenever I have been caught

up in the 'jwara' of the results of my actions I have tried to pause and

re-read your posting and remind myself about offering my actions to God. A

must read, I think, for anyone aspiring to an advaithic way of living.

 

You also write " Vedanta also gives us a perspective about your place in the

world - it gives us answers to why I am here?

what is my calling? - it helps us understand a source for that perennial

sense of restless unease we always seem to be hiding from by distracting

ourselves with things each more meaningless than the prior." I understand

that the goal of life is to achieve that oneness with God and only then will

this 'perrennial source of unease' be calmed. But the first part, that

Vedanta gives us a perspective of our place in the world-- does that mean

that when I arrive at the conclusion that knowing God is the aim of my life

and I need to do everything possible in that direction, then I have found my

place in the world? So then a measure of the value of my actions is how much

closer to or further away an action takes me from that goal. Would that be a

right perspective for an advaithic living? Would you suggest some other

sloka which might throw more light on this aspect? I'll be very grateful.

 

Thanks and warm Diwali wishes to all members.

Om Namo Narayanaya.

Veena.

 

 

 

On 10/20/06, Shyam <shyam_md > wrote:

>

> Dear Ravi-ji

> Pranams

> I appreciate your question.

> It is only when one realizes the folly a normal wordly

> samsaric existence can one even come to advaita.

> Some degree of viveka and vairagya has to be present

> that got you here & interested in advaita (- unless

> this is just a passing fancy in a philosophy that

> sounds interesting..)

>

> Having said that, advaita is certainly, not only

> compatible with normal wordly living, it can actually

> help enhance its quality.

>

> You gain a wonderful quality called perspective.

> This perspective helps us in dealing with

> relationships.

> If samsara can be narrowed down to one or two key

> problems - relationships - with family, friends,

> peers, colleagues, - both positive and negative ones

> certainly would be one of them for most people.

> Vedanta gives us an ability to understand

> relationships, allows to develop a distance between

> our natural state of being, and the roles that we are

> called to play every minute of the day.

> As that distance grows, our sense of mental equanimity

> grows as well.

>

> Vedanta rightly understood, helps us gain a

> perspective about your work as well. Karmayoga makes

> us a more efficient worker, a more focussed

> undistracted person.

>

> Vedanta also gives us a perspective about your place

> in the world - it gives us answers to why I am here?

> what is my calling? - it helps us understand a source

> for that perennial sense of restless unease we always

> seem to be hiding from by distracting ourselves with

> things each more meaningless than the prior.

>

> It enhances our appreciation for ethical standards of

> living, for cultivation of values, and makes it easy

> for us to develop ourselves into better humans.

>

> Ultimately it helps us progressively understand God or

> Ishwara and develop love for Him and His creation, so

> everything in our environment, animate and inanimate,

> is seen by us as His manifestation, as He Himself.(The

> ultimate goal of course is to see that as Me, MySelf)

> This helps us develop a natural love for the

> environment, a love for nature, and more importantly a

> love for other people I am asked to relate to as part

> of my duty, regardless of how their behavior in my

> deeply ingrained valuesystem.

>

> Vedantic study is thus not simply an exercise in

> scholarship in books on advaita. It effects a

> metamorphosis of ones personality and helps

> progressively refine and define the divinity that is

> already preexistent in your very core.

>

> To this end, The Bhagwad Gita I think is the most

> complete scripture we can ever hope to find. Studies

> with the help of a traditional Guru, and putting into

> practice its message, is sufficient to help you gain a

> step-by-step understanding of karmayoga, bhakti,

> dhyana, and gain jnana. No other book or scripture is

> really speaking even needed.(my thoughts only)-such is

> the greatness of this wonderful work.

>

> There are excellent books that more elaborately and

> eloquently address these issues by Swami Sivananda,

> Swami Chimayananda, Swami Dayananda, and others, that

> have written primarily for early seekers and are of a

> very general nature.

>

> Best wishes, and humble pranams

> Hari OM

> Shyam

>

> --- ravicande <ravicande (AT) (DOT) co.in <ravicande%40.co.in>> wrote:

>

> > hi,

> >

> > Most texts of advaita, though inspirational, seem to

> > be meant for

> > disciples in relatively more advanced states;

> > seekers with unwavering

> > belief in advaita and a deep desire for

> > learning having spiritually

> > mature minds, so on and so forth.

> >

> > How does one align what advaita teaches, for

> > example, concepts of

> > Brahman and Maya with an ordinary regular life? It

> > seems to me unless

> > one is spiritually advanced, these same elevating

> > principles have the

> > capability of causing one to be in a state of

> > neither here nor there,

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

 

 

 

--

Sarvam ShreeKrishnaayaSamarpayami.

Om Namo Narayanaya...!!

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advaitin, "Veena Nair" <nairvee wrote:

>

> Thanks Shyamji for taking the time to address the question of

advaithic

> teaching and ordinary daily life. You wrote that

>

> "You gain a wonderful quality called perspective. This perspective

helps us

> in dealing with relationships".

does that mean

> that when I arrive at the conclusion that knowing God is the aim

of my life

> and I need to do everything possible in that direction, then I

have found my

> place in the world? So then a measure of the value of my actions

is how much

> closer to or further away an action takes me from that goal. Would

that be a

> right perspective for an advaithic living? Would you suggest some

other

> sloka which might throw more light on this aspect? I'll be very

grateful.

>

> Thanks and warm Diwali wishes to all members.

> Om Namo Narayanaya.

> Veena.

>

 

ShrIgurubhyo NamaH

 

Namaste Madam,

 

Excellent is that post of Shyam ji that you are referring to and his

current one addressed to Ravi ji. Your response above reveals how

much you are into real, serious, sadhana. Before Shyam ji comes up

with yet another post pregnent with meaning, may i bring to your

notice this verse of the Bhagavadgita Chapter III ?

 

yajnArthAt karmaNo'nyatra lokoyam karma-bandhanaH

tadartham karma kaunteya mukta-sangaH samAchara (9)

 

Except in the case of action for Ishvara's sake, the action done by

men is binding in nature, that is, he is bound by his karma unless

he does actions in the spirit of dedication to the Lord. When done

as an offering to Him, actions do not bind a person. They start

loosening his bonds. Therefore, the Lord teaches, Kaunteya, perform

actions freeing yourself from attachment.

 

Shankaracharya says: the word 'yajna' means VishNu. He quotes a

Vedic passage: 'yajno vai VishNuH' (Taittiriya Samhita I.7.4) for

this.

 

As born ones, we can't escape actions. We have to keep doing them.

But, as you have rightly questioned, when we act as per His

directions (that is that which He has said in the Veda, Smriti,

Guru's words) and refrain from doing what He has specified

as 'don't', we are moving towards Him. What this means is: We are

making our mind-receptacle cleaner and wider for Him to manifest

increasingly. When we disobey His directions, we are moving away

from Him.

 

Pranams,

Om Tat Sat

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