Guest guest Posted October 14, 2006 Report Share Posted October 14, 2006 |Om Saraswatyai Namah| Dear Sourav Ji, Namaskar. Thank you for your views. I agree with your expression of the Paramparic Jyotish stand as being accurate. Some thoughts of this chart are expressed below. The entire birth apparatus is certainly in the mother's body. The Arudha in the male chart are seen for : (a) potency and (b) sterility/ infertility. If potency is an issue, the female apparatus is rendered actively defunct. If sterility is an issue, the apparatus cannot work suo moto. It is union and both charts need to fulfil the criteria. I trust your analysis of the Varga and have not checked. The Nakshatra perspective may also be totally valid. Yes, Sachin may have had remedial measures. You phrase suggests that the chart might need them. I feel the chart is correct. Two rather inane observations; they may be inane but are factual. For a man of such calibre, his voice has inspired bad jokes. Neecha Budh at play. Despite that advertising continues to use his voice as it is. Neechabhanga. He sometimes struggles with the quality of his spoken expression. Neecha Budh. However, this is crucially a part of the work he does as an advertising icon. Budh is in the 10th from AL in Rashi Chart. The other somewhat worthless observation is about his characteristic bending of the knees in a nervous gesture to ease the groin while playing. Again the 7th House and the debilitated planet in the Marana Karaka Sthana. In a cricket game, one was astonished to see Mr. Sunil Gavaskar go up to a mimic who made these gestures. Personally, it is less than dignified to make such things matters of focus but this sort of a thing happens in modern day India. The only reason these preculairities are being mentioned here are to see to what extent Jyotish can illustrate life manifestations. This in turn is borne out of a personal need to see everything from this amazing art. Back to the matter at hand. I have talked of the Neecha malefics below so I will not repeat. About Brahmin Shrapa, one is aware that in may not be causative of denial. But as Visti pointed out in another segment on 'Bhava Shrapa', the Naisargika Karakattwa and the house where the curse happens are both to be noted, apart from the 'source area' seen from the most powerful house owned by the most powerful malefic causing the benefic to curse. Sanjay Ji mentioned about Guru for mutable Lagnas where He carries the Kendradhipati Dosha as saying that such Guru can really bless at the time of marriage (where it is 7th Lord). This was in some mail somewhere else. So we can take it that despite being Badhak Guru is still capable of blessing. Fine. In Sanjay Ji's analysis responding to Sri Utpal Pathak's words, I found the following questions arising in my mind: 1. Jupiter Dasha was the peak of his career. It was giving the results of Mars, the most malefic planet for Kanya Lagna! It is the 3rd and 8th Lord. Further, it is in the 8th House from the Arudha Lagna as a dire malefic even from the Arudha Lagan. Only benefics are appreciated in the 8th from the Arudha. 2. Exalted Sun for Kanya Lagna weakens the Vipreeta Raja Yoga as planets in the Dusthana should be weak for the Rajayoga to sustain. 3. I have to say that Neecha Badhak Guru in the 5th with the worst malefic for the Lagna and aspected by the 6th Lord, the primary Maraka for children is very serious affliction indeed. Sanjay Ji's reference to the Varga Chakras is very illustrative of the factors that explain Tendulkar's success. But the Rashi chart, and knowing it is probably the correct chart, suprises me with what it has delivered. It is just the instinctive response of a Jyotishi and a student of this art and should be understood in that manner. Best wishes, Anurag Sharma. Web: http://www.planetarytransformation.blogspot.com http://www.astrologyguild.com at the Articles page Re: [Om Krishna Guru] Tendulkar's chart & Progeny-Visti || Hare Raama Krsna || || Durgaa Smaranam || Dear Anuraag-ji, namaskar. May I be permitted to provide some comments. The onus of birth is on mother as the entire birth apparatus is in mother's body. Father provides the Sukra only. Further we do not know if Sachin has undergone any treatments or remedial measures. Sukra the kaaraka of semen in own nakshatra (Bharani) and Surya is in Aswini nakshatra owned by Ketu, co-lord of the third house. Further, 5th lord is well placed and in the nakshatra of Mangal who is exalted with the kaaraka of children Guru. Guru gains strength in presence of friend Mangal who is in own nakshatra hence quite strong. However, Mangal is 3rd and 8th lord and can give some problems in issues. Also, Guru is in Vrisabha navaamsa which is in the 9th house of Rasi chart, therefore Guru is in Bhagyaamsa-yuktah.. Further, Chandra is digvali and gives neechabhanga to Guru and is also Guru's nakshatra dispositor (Sravana). The Brahmin Shaapa is not about denial of children but about sufferings indicated by the lordships of the afflictors. Further in the 5th house (which is not a dusthana) the curse fructifies around the period of childbirth. Here, affliction is primarily from Mangal who is lord of 3rd and 8th houses while Rahu the other afflictor is lord of 6th houses and can indicate injuries, diseases, relationships with brothers etc which caused suffering. Although there are certain weaknesses in the chart regarding children as pointed out by you, the rasi/navaamsa charts doesn't show denial. Guru and Mangal shows one boy one girl or both boys, which I don't know if it is correct. Saptaamsa lagna shows some afflictions but Guru is with Ketu (ketau kulsya unnatim) and is 9th lord, while Surya is 5th lord and well placed. Mangal is lagnalord exalted and well placed in the 10th house but has parivartana with Sani. Best wishes, Sourav ================================================================= , "Anurag Sharma" <anuraagsharma27 wrote: > > |Om Saraswatyai Namah| > > Dear Visti, > > Pranaam. > > Thank you for your response. Well this is another resolution to the > sometimes controversial issue of counting to the stronger lord or > reckong both Arudha and then considering the stronger Arudha. > > Correct. So, the stronger Vikram Arudha is in the 5th from Lagna and > is well placed from Surya. This solves a major problem for me, > regarding judging procreation potential in Tendulkar's chart. > > However, Bhagyapada is still badly afflicted by infertile Mercury > and the 9th Bhava from the Lagna has a Graha. Unless I am mistaken, > and I could well be, COVA states in one example that in case of > conflict the stronger of the Bhavas for which Padas have been > reckoned ought to be taken. Likewise, S3 is in the 6th from the Sun, > though the stronger S9 is well placed. > > Apart from these issues, which your learned views will resolve, I > suppose the only thing left is to consider the post-birth gross > affliction to the Putrakaraka and the Putrabhava with the Brahmin > Shrapa. > > Regards, > Anurag. > , Visti Larsen visti@ wrote: > > > > |Hare Rama Krsna| > > Dear Anurag, Namaskar. > > There are two options for the Vikramapada in Sachins chart. Which > do you > > think is stronger? > > > > Tendulkar, Sachin > > Natal Chart > > April 24, 1973 > > Time: 16:25:00 > > Time Zone: 5:30:00 (East of GMT) > > Place: 72 E 50' 00", 18 N 58' 00" > > Bombay, India > > > > Yours sincerely, > > > > Visti Larsen > > Email: visti@ > > For Consultations and Articles visit: http://srigaruda.com > > > > > > > > Anurag Sharma wrote: > > > > > > |Om Saraswatyai Namah| > > > > > > Dear Visti, > > > Namaskar. > > > > > > There was a discussion on Sachin Tendulkar's chart. I felt some > > > confusion regarding progeny potential in his chart. I would be > > > grateful if you could express your thoughts on the same. > > > > > > Regards, > > > Anurag Sharma > > > http://www.planetar ytransformation. blogspot. com > > > <http://www.planetarytransformation.blogspot.com> > > > > > > > > > <%40>, "Anurag Sharma" > > > <anuraagsharma27@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > Respected Sanjay Ji, > > > > > > > > There is one slightly disconcerting thing I find about this > birth > > > data for Sachin Tendulkar. Ishwar has blessed him with two lovely > > > children and yet there is significant affliction to the areas > > > relating to progeny in the Rashi Chakra. Regarding the physical > > > ability to procreate, the Arudha of the 3rd House, A3, is > conjoined > > > Neecha Budh in the 7th House. The Vikramarudha is also in the > 12th > > > House from the Sun. Also, the Bhagyapada, A9, is also conjoined > the > > > A3 and suffers identical affliction. The Arudha of the 3rd House > as > > > reckoned from the Sun, S3, is also in the 6th House from the Sun, > > > showing considerable affliction. > > > > > > > > The Putra Bhava is under a Brahmin Shrapa with Neecha Guru and > > > exalted 3rd and 8th Lord Mars. I must be missing something > because > > > the chart otherwise illustrates well what you have taught. Neecha > > > malefics in the Kendra Bhava give Rajayoga. > > > > > > > > A Vipreeta Raja Yoga is also formed by the Rashi Drishti of the > > > two Dusthana Lords, Ketu and Rahu as they transfer the power to > the > > > Lagna Lord Mercury. But they are debilitated while the Grahas > > > forming the Vipreeta Raja Yoga ought to be strong in the Kendra > and > > > Trikona Bhava. Perhaps it is that his initial success was > astounding > > > considering the circumstances and then based on his stupendous > > > abilities, the Rajayoga has been conventional. > > > > > > > > Kindly shed some light on the chart features pertaining to > progeny. > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > Anurag. > > > > Web: http://www.planetar ytransformation. blogspot. com > > > <http://www.planetarytransformation.blogspot.com> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > | om gurave namah | > > > > Dear Utpal > > > > Excellent analysis. Rähu is like Saturn in its functions and > if > > > Saturn causes > > > > kantaka in the fourth house, there is no reason that Rähu > will be > > > fair out > > > > there. Transit Rähu did hell for him. But I wonder if the > Kumbha > > > transit is > > > > better as it is the third house. > > > > I would prefer the Dwisaptati Sama dasa for Sachin > > > > Dwi-saptati sama dasa (applicable if lagna lord is in 7th or > 7th > > > lord is in > > > > lagna): > > > > > > > > Ven MD: 2000-07-28 - 2009-07-28 > > > > > > > > Antardasas in this MD: > > > > > > > > Ven: 2000-07-28 - 2001-09-13 > > > > Sat: 2001-09-13 - 2002-10-29 > > > > Rah: 2002-10-29 - 2003-12-13 > > > > Sun: 2003-12-13 - 2005-01-25 > > > > Moon: 2005-01-25 - 2006-03-11 > > > > Mars: 2006-03-11 - 2007-04-26 > > > > Merc: 2007-04-26 - 2008-06-11 > > > > Jup: 2008-06-11 - 2009-07-28 > > > > Moon is with Rähu which is in debility and hence this dasa > proved > > > hell for his > > > > emotions but did not see him retire. The present antardasa is > of > > > Mars till april > > > > 2007 > > > > However the dasa is very favorable as Venus is a yogakaraka > and is > > > well placed > > > > in the 11th house from ärudha lagna promising much income from > > > advertising and > > > > film or media area, especially for vehicles and clothes ruled > by > > > Venus. > > > > > > > > His career peak was during Jupiter dasa > > > > Dwi-saptati sama dasa (applicable if lagna lord is in 7th or > 7th > > > lord is in > > > > lagna): > > > > > > > > Maha Dasas: > > > > > > > > Moon: 1964-07-28 - 1973-07-28 > > > > Mars: 1973-07-28 - 1982-07-28 > > > > Merc: 1982-07-28 - 1991-07-29 > > > > Jup: 1991-07-29 - 2000-07-28 > > > > Ven: 2000-07-28 - 2009-07-28 > > > > Sat: 2009-07-28 - 2018-07-29 > > > > Rah: 2018-07-29 - 2027-07-29 > > > > Sun: 2027-07-29 - 2036-07-28 > > > > > > > > Jupiter has nicabhanga rajayoga as it conjoins exalted fighter > > > Mars and all the > > > > fighting powers of Mars he gets during that dasa. As bädhaka > > > planet in > > > > debility, Jupiter can be in auspicious and this result is being > > > seen during Mars > > > > antardasa - Mars gives Guru results and Jup gives Mars results. > > > > His golden run was from Saturn to Mars antar in Jupiter dasa. > > > > > > > > In dasamsa Jup is in 9th house as 10th lord so räjayoga > happens > > > in that dasa. > > > > Venus is 5th lord, so it gives position and status as Captain > etc. > > > > > > > > PERFORMANCE > > > > The exalted Sun causea a very powerful Rajyoga for Virgo lagna. > > > His performance > > > > has been good in February 2006 during the pratyantardasa of Sun > > > when he hit > > > > another century. (Ven-Moon-Sun specifically) > > > > Then in May 2006 in Ven-Mar-Mer he wanted to retire...Mars is > not > > > going to be > > > > easy in Venus period. > > > > If he plays then in 15 Jan to 6 Mar 2007 he will again hit a > few > > > centuries!!! > > > > The Sun again. > > > > > > > > He should recite 'om namah shivaaya' calmly before going to the > > > field....send > > > > him a fan mail if you really like him. > > > > > > > > Best wishes and warm regards, > > > > Sanjay Rath > > > > ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- > - > > > > Personal: WebPages â-? Rathâ?Ts Rhapsody > > > > SJC WebPages: Sri Jagannath Center â-? SJCERC â-? JIVA > > > > Publications: The Jyotish Digest â-? Sagittarius Publications > > > > ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- > - > > > --- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sohamsa@ .com <sohamsa% > 40> > > > [sohamsa@ .com <sohamsa% > 40>] On > > > Behalf Of > > > > utpal pathak > > > > Tuesday, October 10, 2006 10:49 AM > > > > sohamsa@ .com <sohamsa%40> > > > > Sachin is Back as Rahu has Gone from the > 4th !! > > > > > > > > Jai Gurudev ! > > > > > > > > Dear Members, > > > > > > > > In last June, I tried to analyse sachin Tendulkar's chart in > > > response to a query > > > > posed by one mr. aiyer. Both the messages are given herewith > for > > > your reference. > > > > > > > > Now few things have come out correct and with God's grace, his > > > career didn't end > > > > in 2005. I am happy as a serious student of astrology as the > > > prediction proved > > > > right(glory unto the Vedic > > > > Astrology) but i am much more happy to see tendulkar kicking & > > > firing with his > > > > original flamboynace. > > > > > > > > i have eagerly waited for the day of 12th Oct as the Rahu > (Mean) > > > is entering > > > > Kumbha and relieving him from "Heavy Heart" (4th from natal > > > > moon) and enters the Parakram Bhava. I always believed due to > many > > > experiences > > > > that whenever Rahu Mahadasha is on for a native, Rahu is a Boss > > > and it's Transit > > > > is Most effective during that period. > > > > > > > > SRT just survived (in career) the Multiple on slaught of > Transit > > > Rahu, Saturn & > > > > even Jupiter during last 14-15 months just because of the extra > > > ordinary > > > > strength of His Natal chart. mainly due to Sun, Mars & > Strength of > > > Moon in Dhanu > > > > Rashi (Dhanu Rashi is the best among the zodiac in terms of > > > fighting spirit & > > > > competetiveness) . > > > > > > > > NOW It is a Time to watchout his game during Rahu in Kumbha. > > > believe me !! it'll > > > > be a treat to watch. RAHU HAS GONE FROM THE 4TH, THE DISTURBED > > > EMOTIONS ARE MUCH > > > > MORE BALANCED AND SACHIN IS BACK WITH THE BLAST STARTING FROM > 15TH > > > OF OCT!! > > > > > > > > May Thakur Bless him ! > > > > > > > > yours, > > > > > > > > Utpal Pathak Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 14, 2006 Report Share Posted October 14, 2006 Dear Anuarug, You have said that: "But the Rashi chart, and knowing it is probably the correct chart, suprises me with what it has delivered". You might be correct in suspecting the correctness of Rasi chart. I have got another birth time for Sachin, though I don't remember the source. I had noted it down in my database some time ago based on a mail from one of the members. I have the birth time as 13:00 hrs. This gives Kataka Lagna. When I studied this chart from Indu Lagna, it matches with his excellent financial status. However, 14:25 time does not give me similar results. I have not studeied the chart in detail for other aspects. Do you think you would be more comfortable with 13:00 hrs as birth time? Regards, Krishna http://astrokrishna.blogspot.com --- Anurag Sharma <anuraagsharma27 (AT) hotmail (DOT) com> wrote: > |Om Saraswatyai Namah| > > Dear Sourav Ji, > > Namaskar. > > Thank you for your views. I agree with your expression of the > Paramparic Jyotish stand as being accurate. Some thoughts of > this chart are expressed below. > > The entire birth apparatus is certainly in the mother's body. > The Arudha in the male chart are seen for : (a) potency and > (b) sterility/ infertility. If potency is an issue, the female > apparatus is rendered actively defunct. If sterility is an > issue, the apparatus cannot work suo moto. It is union and > both charts need to fulfil the criteria. I trust your analysis > of the Varga and have not checked. The Nakshatra perspective > may also be totally valid. Yes, Sachin may have had remedial > measures. You phrase suggests that the chart might need them. > > I feel the chart is correct. Two rather inane observations; > they may be inane but are factual. > > For a man of such calibre, his voice has inspired bad jokes. > Neecha Budh at play. Despite that advertising continues to use > his voice as it is. Neechabhanga. He sometimes struggles with > the quality of his spoken expression. Neecha Budh. However, > this is crucially a part of the work he does as an advertising > icon. Budh is in the 10th from AL in Rashi Chart. > > The other somewhat worthless observation is about his > characteristic bending of the knees in a nervous gesture to > ease the groin while playing. Again the 7th House and the > debilitated planet in the Marana Karaka Sthana. In a cricket > game, one was astonished to see Mr. Sunil Gavaskar go up to a > mimic who made these gestures. Personally, it is less than > dignified to make such things matters of focus but this sort > of a thing happens in modern day India. > > The only reason these preculairities are being mentioned here > are to see to what extent Jyotish can illustrate life > manifestations. This in turn is borne out of a personal need > to see everything from this amazing art. > > Back to the matter at hand. I have talked of the Neecha > malefics below so I will not repeat. > > About Brahmin Shrapa, one is aware that in may not be > causative of denial. But as Visti pointed out in another > segment on 'Bhava Shrapa', the Naisargika Karakattwa and the > house where the curse happens are both to be noted, apart from > the 'source area' seen from the most powerful house owned by > the most powerful malefic causing the benefic to curse. > > Sanjay Ji mentioned about Guru for mutable Lagnas where He > carries the Kendradhipati Dosha as saying that such Guru can > really bless at the time of marriage (where it is 7th Lord). > This was in some mail somewhere else. So we can take it that > despite being Badhak Guru is still capable of blessing. Fine. > > In Sanjay Ji's analysis responding to Sri Utpal Pathak's > words, I found the following questions arising in my mind: > > 1. Jupiter Dasha was the peak of his career. It was giving the > results of Mars, the most malefic planet for Kanya Lagna! It > is the 3rd and 8th Lord. Further, it is in the 8th House from > the Arudha Lagna as a dire malefic even from the Arudha Lagan. > Only benefics are appreciated in the 8th from the Arudha. > > 2. Exalted Sun for Kanya Lagna weakens the Vipreeta Raja Yoga > as planets in the Dusthana should be weak for the Rajayoga to > sustain. > > 3. I have to say that Neecha Badhak Guru in the 5th with the > worst malefic for the Lagna and aspected by the 6th Lord, the > primary Maraka for children is very serious affliction indeed. > > > Sanjay Ji's reference to the Varga Chakras is very > illustrative of the factors that explain Tendulkar's success. > But the Rashi chart, and knowing it is probably the correct > chart, suprises me with what it has delivered. It is just the > instinctive response of a Jyotishi and a student of this art > and should be understood in that manner. > > Best wishes, > Anurag Sharma. > > Web: http://www.planetarytransformation.blogspot.com > http://www.astrologyguild.com at the Articles page > > > > Re: [Om Krishna Guru] Tendulkar's chart & Progeny-Visti > > > > || Hare Raama Krsna || > > || Durgaa Smaranam || > > Dear Anuraag-ji, > > namaskar. May I be permitted > to provide some comments. The onus of birth is on mother as > the entire birth apparatus is in mother's body. Father > provides the Sukra only. Further we do not know if Sachin has > undergone any treatments or remedial measures. > > Sukra the kaaraka of semen in own nakshatra (Bharani) and > Surya is in Aswini nakshatra owned by Ketu, co-lord of the > third house. Further, 5th lord is well placed and in the > nakshatra of Mangal who is exalted with the kaaraka of > children Guru. Guru gains strength in presence of friend > Mangal who is in own nakshatra hence quite strong. However, > Mangal is 3rd and 8th lord and can give some problems in > issues. Also, Guru is in Vrisabha navaamsa which is in the 9th > house of Rasi chart, therefore Guru is in Bhagyaamsa-yuktah. > Further, Chandra is digvali and gives neechabhanga to Guru and > is also Guru's nakshatra dispositor (Sravana). > > The Brahmin Shaapa is not about denial of children but about > sufferings indicated by the lordships of the afflictors. > Further in the 5th house (which is not a dusthana) the curse > fructifies around the period of childbirth. Here, affliction > is primarily from Mangal who is lord of 3rd and 8th houses > while Rahu the other afflictor is lord of 6th houses and can > indicate injuries, diseases, relationships with brothers etc > which caused suffering. > > Although there are certain weaknesses in the chart regarding > children as pointed out by you, the rasi/navaamsa charts > doesn't show denial. Guru and Mangal shows one boy one girl or > both boys, which I don't know if it is correct. > > Saptaamsa lagna shows some afflictions but Guru is with Ketu > (ketau kulsya unnatim) and is 9th lord, while Surya is 5th > lord and well placed. Mangal is lagnalord exalted and well > placed in the 10th house but has parivartana with Sani. > > Best wishes, > > Sourav > > ================================================================= > > > , "Anurag Sharma" > <anuraagsharma27 wrote: > > > > |Om Saraswatyai Namah| > > > > Dear Visti, > > > > Pranaam. > > > > Thank you for your response. Well this is another resolution > to the > > sometimes controversial issue of counting to the stronger > lord or > > reckong both Arudha and then considering the stronger > Arudha. > > > > Correct. So, the stronger Vikram Arudha is in the 5th from > Lagna and > > is well placed from Surya. This solves a major problem for > me, > > regarding judging procreation potential in Tendulkar's > chart. > > > > However, Bhagyapada is still badly afflicted by infertile > Mercury > > and the 9th Bhava from the Lagna has a Graha. Unless I am > mistaken, > > and I could well be, COVA states in one example that in case > of > > conflict the stronger of the Bhavas for which Padas have > been > > reckoned ought to be taken. Likewise, S3 is in the 6th from > the Sun, > > though the stronger S9 is well placed. > > > > Apart from these issues, which your learned views will > resolve, I > > suppose the only thing left is to consider the post-birth > gross > > affliction to the Putrakaraka and the Putrabhava with the > Brahmin > > Shrapa. > > > > Regards, > > Anurag. > > , Visti Larsen visti@ > wrote: > > > > > > |Hare Rama Krsna| > > > Dear Anurag, Namaskar. > > > There are two options for the Vikramapada in Sachins > chart. Which > > do you > > > think is stronger? > === message truncated === Regards, Krishna http://astrokrishna.blogspot.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 14, 2006 Report Share Posted October 14, 2006 Dear Anuarug, You have said that: "But the Rashi chart, and knowing it is probably the correct chart, suprises me with what it has delivered". You might be correct in suspecting the correctness of Rasi chart. I have got another birth time for Sachin, though I don't remember the source. I had noted it down in my database some time ago based on a mail from one of the members. I have the birth time as 13:00 hrs. This gives Kataka Lagna. When I studied this chart from Indu Lagna, it matches with his excellent financial status. However, 14:25 time does not give me similar results. I have not studeied the chart in detail for other aspects. Do you think you would be more comfortable with 13:00 hrs as birth time? Regards, Krishna http://astrokrishna.blogspot.com --- Anurag Sharma <anuraagsharma27 (AT) hotmail (DOT) com> wrote: > |Om Saraswatyai Namah| > > Dear Sourav Ji, > > Namaskar. > > Thank you for your views. I agree with your expression of the > Paramparic Jyotish stand as being accurate. Some thoughts of > this chart are expressed below. > > The entire birth apparatus is certainly in the mother's body. > The Arudha in the male chart are seen for : (a) potency and > (b) sterility/ infertility. If potency is an issue, the female > apparatus is rendered actively defunct. If sterility is an > issue, the apparatus cannot work suo moto. It is union and > both charts need to fulfil the criteria. I trust your analysis > of the Varga and have not checked. The Nakshatra perspective > may also be totally valid. Yes, Sachin may have had remedial > measures. You phrase suggests that the chart might need them. > > I feel the chart is correct. Two rather inane observations; > they may be inane but are factual. > > For a man of such calibre, his voice has inspired bad jokes. > Neecha Budh at play. Despite that advertising continues to use > his voice as it is. Neechabhanga. He sometimes struggles with > the quality of his spoken expression. Neecha Budh. However, > this is crucially a part of the work he does as an advertising > icon. Budh is in the 10th from AL in Rashi Chart. > > The other somewhat worthless observation is about his > characteristic bending of the knees in a nervous gesture to > ease the groin while playing. Again the 7th House and the > debilitated planet in the Marana Karaka Sthana. In a cricket > game, one was astonished to see Mr. Sunil Gavaskar go up to a > mimic who made these gestures. Personally, it is less than > dignified to make such things matters of focus but this sort > of a thing happens in modern day India. > > The only reason these preculairities are being mentioned here > are to see to what extent Jyotish can illustrate life > manifestations. This in turn is borne out of a personal need > to see everything from this amazing art. > > Back to the matter at hand. I have talked of the Neecha > malefics below so I will not repeat. > > About Brahmin Shrapa, one is aware that in may not be > causative of denial. But as Visti pointed out in another > segment on 'Bhava Shrapa', the Naisargika Karakattwa and the > house where the curse happens are both to be noted, apart from > the 'source area' seen from the most powerful house owned by > the most powerful malefic causing the benefic to curse. > > Sanjay Ji mentioned about Guru for mutable Lagnas where He > carries the Kendradhipati Dosha as saying that such Guru can > really bless at the time of marriage (where it is 7th Lord). > This was in some mail somewhere else. So we can take it that > despite being Badhak Guru is still capable of blessing. Fine. > > In Sanjay Ji's analysis responding to Sri Utpal Pathak's > words, I found the following questions arising in my mind: > > 1. Jupiter Dasha was the peak of his career. It was giving the > results of Mars, the most malefic planet for Kanya Lagna! It > is the 3rd and 8th Lord. Further, it is in the 8th House from > the Arudha Lagna as a dire malefic even from the Arudha Lagan. > Only benefics are appreciated in the 8th from the Arudha. > > 2. Exalted Sun for Kanya Lagna weakens the Vipreeta Raja Yoga > as planets in the Dusthana should be weak for the Rajayoga to > sustain. > > 3. I have to say that Neecha Badhak Guru in the 5th with the > worst malefic for the Lagna and aspected by the 6th Lord, the > primary Maraka for children is very serious affliction indeed. > > > Sanjay Ji's reference to the Varga Chakras is very > illustrative of the factors that explain Tendulkar's success. > But the Rashi chart, and knowing it is probably the correct > chart, suprises me with what it has delivered. It is just the > instinctive response of a Jyotishi and a student of this art > and should be understood in that manner. > > Best wishes, > Anurag Sharma. > > Web: http://www.planetarytransformation.blogspot.com > http://www.astrologyguild.com at the Articles page > > > > Re: [Om Krishna Guru] Tendulkar's chart & Progeny-Visti > > > > || Hare Raama Krsna || > > || Durgaa Smaranam || > > Dear Anuraag-ji, > > namaskar. May I be permitted > to provide some comments. The onus of birth is on mother as > the entire birth apparatus is in mother's body. Father > provides the Sukra only. Further we do not know if Sachin has > undergone any treatments or remedial measures. > > Sukra the kaaraka of semen in own nakshatra (Bharani) and > Surya is in Aswini nakshatra owned by Ketu, co-lord of the > third house. Further, 5th lord is well placed and in the > nakshatra of Mangal who is exalted with the kaaraka of > children Guru. Guru gains strength in presence of friend > Mangal who is in own nakshatra hence quite strong. However, > Mangal is 3rd and 8th lord and can give some problems in > issues. Also, Guru is in Vrisabha navaamsa which is in the 9th > house of Rasi chart, therefore Guru is in Bhagyaamsa-yuktah. > Further, Chandra is digvali and gives neechabhanga to Guru and > is also Guru's nakshatra dispositor (Sravana). > > The Brahmin Shaapa is not about denial of children but about > sufferings indicated by the lordships of the afflictors. > Further in the 5th house (which is not a dusthana) the curse > fructifies around the period of childbirth. Here, affliction > is primarily from Mangal who is lord of 3rd and 8th houses > while Rahu the other afflictor is lord of 6th houses and can > indicate injuries, diseases, relationships with brothers etc > which caused suffering. > > Although there are certain weaknesses in the chart regarding > children as pointed out by you, the rasi/navaamsa charts > doesn't show denial. Guru and Mangal shows one boy one girl or > both boys, which I don't know if it is correct. > > Saptaamsa lagna shows some afflictions but Guru is with Ketu > (ketau kulsya unnatim) and is 9th lord, while Surya is 5th > lord and well placed. Mangal is lagnalord exalted and well > placed in the 10th house but has parivartana with Sani. > > Best wishes, > > Sourav > > ================================================================= > > > , "Anurag Sharma" > <anuraagsharma27 wrote: > > > > |Om Saraswatyai Namah| > > > > Dear Visti, > > > > Pranaam. > > > > Thank you for your response. Well this is another resolution > to the > > sometimes controversial issue of counting to the stronger > lord or > > reckong both Arudha and then considering the stronger > Arudha. > > > > Correct. So, the stronger Vikram Arudha is in the 5th from > Lagna and > > is well placed from Surya. This solves a major problem for > me, > > regarding judging procreation potential in Tendulkar's > chart. > > > > However, Bhagyapada is still badly afflicted by infertile > Mercury > > and the 9th Bhava from the Lagna has a Graha. Unless I am > mistaken, > > and I could well be, COVA states in one example that in case > of > > conflict the stronger of the Bhavas for which Padas have > been > > reckoned ought to be taken. Likewise, S3 is in the 6th from > the Sun, > > though the stronger S9 is well placed. > > > > Apart from these issues, which your learned views will > resolve, I > > suppose the only thing left is to consider the post-birth > gross > > affliction to the Putrakaraka and the Putrabhava with the > Brahmin > > Shrapa. > > > > Regards, > > Anurag. > > , Visti Larsen visti@ > wrote: > > > > > > |Hare Rama Krsna| > > > Dear Anurag, Namaskar. > > > There are two options for the Vikramapada in Sachins > chart. Which > > do you > > > think is stronger? > === message truncated === Regards, Krishna http://astrokrishna.blogspot.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 14, 2006 Report Share Posted October 14, 2006 || Hare Raama Krsna || Dear Anuraag-ji, namaskar. I took up the nakshatra analysis to complement yours and Visti-ji's comments and found that the situation is not very bad. Yes, for severe affliction, kaaraka, bhava and bhavesha all need to be afflicted. Here Kaaraka is Guru well placed in the karya-bhava but in debility rasi. Its debility is cancelled by Digvali Chandra in the 4th house (Cure by medical intervention possible). Bhava-lord is Sani and well placed in the 9th (5th from the 5th) and aspects the 5th by rasi drishti. Mangal is 3rd lord and also 8th lord. Mangal is friend of Guru and will not damage Guru's significance. Also, notice that exalted benefic gives stronger shraapa than debilitated benefic and exalted (strong) malefics who are afflictors give stronger shraapa that weak malefics. Here only Mangal is strong but Rahu is weak in debility and in presence of a satru. Also, notice that 9th and 3rd lords are well placed from Surya, although, as per your discussion, the respective arudhas are not well placed, which is correct and indicates dosha. There are thus several mitigating situations and I believe with help of medical intervention (Chandra in the 4th) hope is there. Notably, Narasimha-ji rectified the time to 16:28 with longitude 73Eoo and latitude 20N00 i.e. lagna at 6deg21min in the Kanya rasi (Boston SJC Lectures: lesson #45-Part 1) I have not had a chance to rectify myself hence cannot vouch for that. Mangal AK is in the 5th and Ketu the governor of the Dwisaptati Dasa system is in the 6th from AK hence not well palced. Also, Budha is lagnesha in debility and in MKS. Hence I prefer to use the Vimsottari Chandra Dasa for first attempt. Rise in career was in the Mangal and Rahu Mahadasas. Mahadasa is to be reckoned from Surya lagna. Notice that from Surya lagna, Surya is 5th lord in exaltation and Mangal is lagna lord in exaltation and digvala (10th from Surya lagna). This ensures fame. Further, Guru is 9th and 12-th lord in debility. Mangal MD can give some (but not all) results of Guru being in Yuti. 9th and lagna lords conjunction is a rajayoga and 12-th lords debility is good. Hence overall this period is good for career. Notice that Mangal is strong and the direction is in sports where no bowler could dominate him. With entry into the Rahu Mahadasa (i.e. after 1997) a period of frustration comes as Rahu is 11-th lord in debility in the 9th from Surya lagna and also 7th from AL. Good thing is that Rahu is not strong while Surya is strong in the chart. Notice that both Mangal and Rahu are in the kanya navaamsa which is the 1st house of the rasi chart and hence does not damage reputation. After natural age of Chandra (around 23+ age i.e. after 1996) AmK replaced AK and he became very focussed in career. And this is also con-incidental with the Rahu MD as per Vimsottari Chandra Dasa. Now Ketu comes to kendra to new-AK and the trends can be well predicted with Dwisaptati Sama Dasa. Now Dwisaptati Sama Dasa's condition is connectivity of 1st and 7th houses (desires) and hence Paakalagna can be referenced in addition to the Lagna as is usual for any Udu dasas. Guru is Pakesha and in the 11th from his own house. Guru being significator or intelligence, this is not a good position from Paaka lagna as 11-th house is the hara sthana. Further, 4th and 7th lord is in debility in the paakalagna. I believe, this is the period of dislike for Sachin. Further notice that Mangal is 2nd and 9th lord in exaltation and gives the Lakshmi yoga combination. So material gains would not have been so much interrupted. A point aside, debility of Badhakesha is good and kendradhipatya dosha is lessened if the said adhipati is connected to a lakshmi-sthana. Best wishes, Sourav ================================================================== , "Anurag Sharma" <anuraagsharma27 wrote: > > |Om Saraswatyai Namah| > > Dear Sourav Ji, > > Namaskar. > > Thank you for your views. I agree with your expression of the Paramparic Jyotish stand as being accurate. Some thoughts of this chart are expressed below. > > The entire birth apparatus is certainly in the mother's body. The Arudha in the male chart are seen for : (a) potency and (b) sterility/ infertility. If potency is an issue, the female apparatus is rendered actively defunct. If sterility is an issue, the apparatus cannot work suo moto. It is union and both charts need to fulfil the criteria. I trust your analysis of the Varga and have not checked. The Nakshatra perspective may also be totally valid. Yes, Sachin may have had remedial measures. You phrase suggests that the chart might need them. > > I feel the chart is correct. Two rather inane observations; they may be inane but are factual. > > For a man of such calibre, his voice has inspired bad jokes. Neecha Budh at play. Despite that advertising continues to use his voice as it is. Neechabhanga. He sometimes struggles with the quality of his spoken expression. Neecha Budh. However, this is crucially a part of the work he does as an advertising icon. Budh is in the 10th from AL in Rashi Chart. > > The other somewhat worthless observation is about his characteristic bending of the knees in a nervous gesture to ease the groin while playing. Again the 7th House and the debilitated planet in the Marana Karaka Sthana. In a cricket game, one was astonished to see Mr. Sunil Gavaskar go up to a mimic who made these gestures. Personally, it is less than dignified to make such things matters of focus but this sort of a thing happens in modern day India. > > The only reason these preculairities are being mentioned here are to see to what extent Jyotish can illustrate life manifestations. This in turn is borne out of a personal need to see everything from this amazing art. > > Back to the matter at hand. I have talked of the Neecha malefics below so I will not repeat. > > About Brahmin Shrapa, one is aware that in may not be causative of denial. But as Visti pointed out in another segment on 'Bhava Shrapa', the Naisargika Karakattwa and the house where the curse happens are both to be noted, apart from the 'source area' seen from the most powerful house owned by the most powerful malefic causing the benefic to curse. > > Sanjay Ji mentioned about Guru for mutable Lagnas where He carries the Kendradhipati Dosha as saying that such Guru can really bless at the time of marriage (where it is 7th Lord). This was in some mail somewhere else. So we can take it that despite being Badhak Guru is still capable of blessing. Fine. > > In Sanjay Ji's analysis responding to Sri Utpal Pathak's words, I found the following questions arising in my mind: > > 1. Jupiter Dasha was the peak of his career. It was giving the results of Mars, the most malefic planet for Kanya Lagna! It is the 3rd and 8th Lord. Further, it is in the 8th House from the Arudha Lagna as a dire malefic even from the Arudha Lagan. Only benefics are appreciated in the 8th from the Arudha. > > 2. Exalted Sun for Kanya Lagna weakens the Vipreeta Raja Yoga as planets in the Dusthana should be weak for the Rajayoga to sustain. > > 3. I have to say that Neecha Badhak Guru in the 5th with the worst malefic for the Lagna and aspected by the 6th Lord, the primary Maraka for children is very serious affliction indeed. > > Sanjay Ji's reference to the Varga Chakras is very illustrative of the factors that explain Tendulkar's success. But the Rashi chart, and knowing it is probably the correct chart, suprises me with what it has delivered. It is just the instinctive response of a Jyotishi and a student of this art and should be understood in that manner. > > Best wishes, > Anurag Sharma. > > Web: http://www.planetarytransformation.blogspot.com > http://www.astrologyguild.com at the Articles page > > > > Re: [Om Krishna Guru] Tendulkar's chart & Progeny-Visti > > > > || Hare Raama Krsna || > > || Durgaa Smaranam || > > Dear Anuraag-ji, > > namaskar. May I be permitted to provide some comments. The onus of birth is on mother as the entire birth apparatus is in mother's body. Father provides the Sukra only. Further we do not know if Sachin has undergone any treatments or remedial measures. > > Sukra the kaaraka of semen in own nakshatra (Bharani) and Surya is in Aswini nakshatra owned by Ketu, co-lord of the third house. Further, 5th lord is well placed and in the nakshatra of Mangal who is exalted with the kaaraka of children Guru. Guru gains strength in presence of friend Mangal who is in own nakshatra hence quite strong. However, Mangal is 3rd and 8th lord and can give some problems in issues. Also, Guru is in Vrisabha navaamsa which is in the 9th house of Rasi chart, therefore Guru is in Bhagyaamsa-yuktah. Further, Chandra is digvali and gives neechabhanga to Guru and is also Guru's nakshatra dispositor (Sravana). > > The Brahmin Shaapa is not about denial of children but about sufferings indicated by the lordships of the afflictors. Further in the 5th house (which is not a dusthana) the curse fructifies around the period of childbirth. Here, affliction is primarily from Mangal who is lord of 3rd and 8th houses while Rahu the other afflictor is lord of 6th houses and can indicate injuries, diseases, relationships with brothers etc which caused suffering. > > Although there are certain weaknesses in the chart regarding children as pointed out by you, the rasi/navaamsa charts doesn't show denial. Guru and Mangal shows one boy one girl or both boys, which I don't know if it is correct. > > Saptaamsa lagna shows some afflictions but Guru is with Ketu (ketau kulsya unnatim) and is 9th lord, while Surya is 5th lord and well placed. Mangal is lagnalord exalted and well placed in the 10th house but has parivartana with Sani. > > Best wishes, > > Sourav > > ================================================================= > > > , "Anurag Sharma" anuraagsharma27@ wrote: > > > > |Om Saraswatyai Namah| > > > > Dear Visti, > > > > Pranaam. > > > > Thank you for your response. Well this is another resolution to the > > sometimes controversial issue of counting to the stronger lord or > > reckong both Arudha and then considering the stronger Arudha. > > > > Correct. So, the stronger Vikram Arudha is in the 5th from Lagna and > > is well placed from Surya. This solves a major problem for me, > > regarding judging procreation potential in Tendulkar's chart. > > > > However, Bhagyapada is still badly afflicted by infertile Mercury > > and the 9th Bhava from the Lagna has a Graha. Unless I am mistaken, > > and I could well be, COVA states in one example that in case of > > conflict the stronger of the Bhavas for which Padas have been > > reckoned ought to be taken. Likewise, S3 is in the 6th from the Sun, > > though the stronger S9 is well placed. > > > > Apart from these issues, which your learned views will resolve, I > > suppose the only thing left is to consider the post-birth gross > > affliction to the Putrakaraka and the Putrabhava with the Brahmin > > Shrapa. > > > > Regards, > > Anurag. > > , Visti Larsen visti@ wrote: > > > > > > |Hare Rama Krsna| > > > Dear Anurag, Namaskar. > > > There are two options for the Vikramapada in Sachins chart. Which > > do you > > > think is stronger? > > > > > > Tendulkar, Sachin > > > Natal Chart > > > April 24, 1973 > > > Time: 16:25:00 > > > Time Zone: 5:30:00 (East of GMT) > > > Place: 72 E 50' 00", 18 N 58' 00" > > > Bombay, India > > > > > > Yours sincerely, > > > > > > Visti Larsen > > > Email: visti@ > > > For Consultations and Articles visit: http://srigaruda.com > > > > > > > > > > > > Anurag Sharma wrote: > > > > > > > > |Om Saraswatyai Namah| > > > > > > > > Dear Visti, > > > > Namaskar. > > > > > > > > There was a discussion on Sachin Tendulkar's chart. I felt some > > > > confusion regarding progeny potential in his chart. I would be > > > > grateful if you could express your thoughts on the same. > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > Anurag Sharma > > > > http://www.planetar ytransformation. blogspot. com > > > > <http://www.planetarytransformation.blogspot.com> > > > > > > > > > > > > <%40>, "Anurag Sharma" > > > > <anuraagsharma27@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Respected Sanjay Ji, > > > > > > > > > > There is one slightly disconcerting thing I find about this > > birth > > > > data for Sachin Tendulkar. Ishwar has blessed him with two lovely > > > > children and yet there is significant affliction to the areas > > > > relating to progeny in the Rashi Chakra. Regarding the physical > > > > ability to procreate, the Arudha of the 3rd House, A3, is > > conjoined > > > > Neecha Budh in the 7th House. The Vikramarudha is also in the > > 12th > > > > House from the Sun. Also, the Bhagyapada, A9, is also conjoined > > the > > > > A3 and suffers identical affliction. The Arudha of the 3rd House > > as > > > > reckoned from the Sun, S3, is also in the 6th House from the Sun, > > > > showing considerable affliction. > > > > > > > > > > The Putra Bhava is under a Brahmin Shrapa with Neecha Guru and > > > > exalted 3rd and 8th Lord Mars. I must be missing something > > because > > > > the chart otherwise illustrates well what you have taught. Neecha > > > > malefics in the Kendra Bhava give Rajayoga. > > > > > > > > > > A Vipreeta Raja Yoga is also formed by the Rashi Drishti of the > > > > two Dusthana Lords, Ketu and Rahu as they transfer the power to > > the > > > > Lagna Lord Mercury. But they are debilitated while the Grahas > > > > forming the Vipreeta Raja Yoga ought to be strong in the Kendra > > and > > > > Trikona Bhava. Perhaps it is that his initial success was > > astounding > > > > considering the circumstances and then based on his stupendous > > > > abilities, the Rajayoga has been conventional. > > > > > > > > > > Kindly shed some light on the chart features pertaining to > > progeny. > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > Anurag. > > > > > Web: http://www.planetar ytransformation. blogspot. com > > > > <http://www.planetarytransformation.blogspot.com> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > | om gurave namah | > > > > > Dear Utpal > > > > > Excellent analysis. Rähu is like Saturn in its functions and > > if > > > > Saturn causes > > > > > kantaka in the fourth house, there is no reason that Rähu > > will be > > > > fair out > > > > > there. Transit Rähu did hell for him. But I wonder if the > > Kumbha > > > > transit is > > > > > better as it is the third house. > > > > > I would prefer the Dwisaptati Sama dasa for Sachin > > > > > Dwi-saptati sama dasa (applicable if lagna lord is in 7th or > > 7th > > > > lord is in > > > > > lagna): > > > > > > > > > > Ven MD: 2000-07-28 - 2009-07-28 > > > > > > > > > > Antardasas in this MD: > > > > > > > > > > Ven: 2000-07-28 - 2001-09-13 > > > > > Sat: 2001-09-13 - 2002-10-29 > > > > > Rah: 2002-10-29 - 2003-12-13 > > > > > Sun: 2003-12-13 - 2005-01-25 > > > > > Moon: 2005-01-25 - 2006-03-11 > > > > > Mars: 2006-03-11 - 2007-04-26 > > > > > Merc: 2007-04-26 - 2008-06-11 > > > > > Jup: 2008-06-11 - 2009-07-28 > > > > > Moon is with Rähu which is in debility and hence this dasa > > proved > > > > hell for his > > > > > emotions but did not see him retire. The present antardasa is > > of > > > > Mars till april > > > > > 2007 > > > > > However the dasa is very favorable as Venus is a yogakaraka > > and is > > > > well placed > > > > > in the 11th house from ärudha lagna promising much income from > > > > advertising and > > > > > film or media area, especially for vehicles and clothes ruled > > by > > > > Venus. > > > > > > > > > > His career peak was during Jupiter dasa > > > > > Dwi-saptati sama dasa (applicable if lagna lord is in 7th or > > 7th > > > > lord is in > > > > > lagna): > > > > > > > > > > Maha Dasas: > > > > > > > > > > Moon: 1964-07-28 - 1973-07-28 > > > > > Mars: 1973-07-28 - 1982-07-28 > > > > > Merc: 1982-07-28 - 1991-07-29 > > > > > Jup: 1991-07-29 - 2000-07-28 > > > > > Ven: 2000-07-28 - 2009-07-28 > > > > > Sat: 2009-07-28 - 2018-07-29 > > > > > Rah: 2018-07-29 - 2027-07-29 > > > > > Sun: 2027-07-29 - 2036-07-28 > > > > > > > > > > Jupiter has nicabhanga rajayoga as it conjoins exalted fighter > > > > Mars and all the > > > > > fighting powers of Mars he gets during that dasa. As bädhaka > > > > planet in > > > > > debility, Jupiter can be in auspicious and this result is being > > > > seen during Mars > > > > > antardasa - Mars gives Guru results and Jup gives Mars results. > > > > > His golden run was from Saturn to Mars antar in Jupiter dasa. > > > > > > > > > > In dasamsa Jup is in 9th house as 10th lord so räjayoga > > happens > > > > in that dasa. > > > > > Venus is 5th lord, so it gives position and status as Captain > > etc. > > > > > > > > > > PERFORMANCE > > > > > The exalted Sun causea a very powerful Rajyoga for Virgo lagna. > > > > His performance > > > > > has been good in February 2006 during the pratyantardasa of Sun > > > > when he hit > > > > > another century. (Ven-Moon-Sun specifically) > > > > > Then in May 2006 in Ven-Mar-Mer he wanted to retire...Mars is > > not > > > > going to be > > > > > easy in Venus period. > > > > > If he plays then in 15 Jan to 6 Mar 2007 he will again hit a > > few > > > > centuries!!! > > > > > The Sun again. > > > > > > > > > > He should recite 'om namah shivaaya' calmly before going to the > > > > field....send > > > > > him a fan mail if you really like him. > > > > > > > > > > Best wishes and warm regards, > > > > > Sanjay Rath > > > > > ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- > > - > > > > > Personal: WebPages â-? Rathâ?Ts Rhapsody > > > > > SJC WebPages: Sri Jagannath Center â-? SJCERC â-? JIVA > > > > > Publications: The Jyotish Digest â-? Sagittarius Publications > > > > > ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- > > - > > > > --- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sohamsa@ .com <sohamsa% > > 40> > > > > [sohamsa@ .com <sohamsa% > > 40>] On > > > > Behalf Of > > > > > utpal pathak > > > > > Tuesday, October 10, 2006 10:49 AM > > > > > sohamsa@ .com <sohamsa%40> > > > > > Sachin is Back as Rahu has Gone from the > > 4th !! > > > > > > > > > > Jai Gurudev ! > > > > > > > > > > Dear Members, > > > > > > > > > > In last June, I tried to analyse sachin Tendulkar's chart in > > > > response to a query > > > > > posed by one mr. aiyer. Both the messages are given herewith > > for > > > > your reference. > > > > > > > > > > Now few things have come out correct and with God's grace, his > > > > career didn't end > > > > > in 2005. I am happy as a serious student of astrology as the > > > > prediction proved > > > > > right(glory unto the Vedic > > > > > Astrology) but i am much more happy to see tendulkar kicking & > > > > firing with his > > > > > original flamboynace. > > > > > > > > > > i have eagerly waited for the day of 12th Oct as the Rahu > > (Mean) > > > > is entering > > > > > Kumbha and relieving him from "Heavy Heart" (4th from natal > > > > > moon) and enters the Parakram Bhava. I always believed due to > > many > > > > experiences > > > > > that whenever Rahu Mahadasha is on for a native, Rahu is a Boss > > > > and it's Transit > > > > > is Most effective during that period. > > > > > > > > > > SRT just survived (in career) the Multiple on slaught of > > Transit > > > > Rahu, Saturn & > > > > > even Jupiter during last 14-15 months just because of the extra > > > > ordinary > > > > > strength of His Natal chart. mainly due to Sun, Mars & > > Strength of > > > > Moon in Dhanu > > > > > Rashi (Dhanu Rashi is the best among the zodiac in terms of > > > > fighting spirit & > > > > > competetiveness) . > > > > > > > > > > NOW It is a Time to watchout his game during Rahu in Kumbha. > > > > believe me !! it'll > > > > > be a treat to watch. RAHU HAS GONE FROM THE 4TH, THE DISTURBED > > > > EMOTIONS ARE MUCH > > > > > MORE BALANCED AND SACHIN IS BACK WITH THE BLAST STARTING FROM > > 15TH > > > > OF OCT!! > > > > > > > > > > May Thakur Bless him ! > > > > > > > > > > yours, > > > > > > > > > > Utpal Pathak > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 16, 2006 Report Share Posted October 16, 2006 Dear all, As I saw that there is no concurrance on the correct birth time for Tendulkar, I did a search over the web. It is not surprising to find that many astrologers have given their reading on his chart. However, the interesting thing to note is that each one has used a different birth time (varying from 7:30 am to 4:30pm). And with different lagnas from Taurus to Virgo, everyone seem to have their own reasoning for his great sucess as a sport person and they also have their own reasoning for the recent troubles and the reasoning for bright future! There can be only one correct lagna. It might be true that exalted Sun and exalted Mars have made him a great sports person. However, will that happen irrespective of any lagna is my question. I request the learned members to give their thoughts on the same. Regards, Krishna --- utpal pathak <vedic_pathak > wrote: > || Jay Gurudev || > > Dear Anurag ji, Namaskar > > This controversy on "lagna" Tendulkar is very much there as > some > prefers "Simha" as Lagna. > > I personally, along with many others stick to "Kanya" as he is > Pure, > Kanya like... Shy personality [actually i have seen a Chart of > my > colleague in 1996 who has almost same chart as Tendulkar and > has > some similarity with him such as Love marriage, early > marriage, Wife > elder then him, awards & recognition in his own field, great > Technical skills (in Industrial Automation)] > > I have tried to express my thoughts on the questions you have > asked > to shri sourav. i hope you won't object. > > 1) It is very general & hence very risky to say that Mars > can't > bestow excellent results on Kanaya Lagna. 3rd lord of > Parakrama is > exalted in 5th is an indicator of Great prowess in the field > of > Sports. It is also an Indicator of "Many Awards & > Recognition". > > *If we Take Moon Lagna, Mars is 5th Lord exalted in 2nd > aspecting > exalted 9th lord sun which is placed in 5th. hence from Moon > Lagna > Mars is exceedingly well placed (One can consider it as he is > a > Public figure and as Dr. Raman warned astrologers not to give > judgment unless chart is also seen from reference point of > Moon) > > * If we consider Mars Dasha from Sun (As per Sanjayji's Tripod > > principle) , He is Placed in 10th from Sun & exalted so should > be > giving great results in career. > > * I have no convincing answer for your point about his > position as > 8th from AL. (I think Sun & Mars are SO VERY STRONG as i > indicated > in my earlier Mail that has Probably or Surely overtaken other > weak > yogas. > ) > > 2) Sanjay ji can probably thro' some light on that. but i > think that > Sun's Strength is too great which has steer-clear all other > other > small weaknesses. (we have a particular Shloka in one classic > that > Rahu's evil can be nullified by strong mercury.........Sun's > strength can nullify the weakness of all the other planets put > > together) > > 3) Jupiter though Debilitated & carrying all kinds of Dosha > may not > prove bad for progeny because of the following reasons > - The despositor Saturn, which is also 5th lord is in best > Trine > unaffiliated by other natural malefics > - 5th from Moon is exalted and aspecting own 5th house while > 5th is > occupied by exalted 9th lord Sun. > - 5th from Jupiter is 9th house is also not badly placed. > > (Some additional- Mercury is Debilitated Lagna lord not well > placed > in 7th still Tendulkar has become Hottest Brand > notwithstanding his > many limitations. -- Mercury is in Kendra to Moon as well as > Lagna > and both this references denotes "Fame" and hence His Fame & > nothing > else is responsible for his status as one of the Most sellable > Brand) > > I bag your pardon if over written as I have a high regard for > your > knowledge. > > Yours, > > Utpal Pathak > > sohamsa, "Anurag Sharma" > <anuraagsharma27 wrote: > > > > |Om Saraswatyai Namah| > > > > Dear Sourav Ji, > > > > Namaskar. > > > > Thank you for your views. I agree with your expression of > the > Paramparic Jyotish stand as being accurate. Some thoughts of > this > chart are expressed below. > > > > The entire birth apparatus is certainly in the mother's > body. The > Arudha in the male chart are seen for : (a) potency and (b) > sterility/ infertility. If potency is an issue, the female > apparatus > is rendered actively defunct. If sterility is an issue, the > apparatus cannot work suo moto. It is union and both charts > need to > fulfil the criteria. I trust your analysis of the Varga and > have not > checked. The Nakshatra perspective may also be totally valid. > Yes, > Sachin may have had remedial measures. You phrase suggests > that the > chart might need them. > > > > I feel the chart is correct. Two rather inane observations; > they > may be inane but are factual. > > > > For a man of such calibre, his voice has inspired bad jokes. > > Neecha Budh at play. Despite that advertising continues to use > his > voice as it is. Neechabhanga. He sometimes struggles with the > quality of his spoken expression. Neecha Budh. However, this > is > crucially a part of the work he does as an advertising icon. > Budh is > in the 10th from AL in Rashi Chart. > > > > The other somewhat worthless observation is about his > characteristic bending of the knees in a nervous gesture to > ease the > groin while playing. Again the 7th House and the debilitated > planet > in the Marana Karaka Sthana. In a cricket game, one was > astonished > to see Mr. Sunil Gavaskar go up to a mimic who made these > gestures. > Personally, it is less than dignified to make such things > matters of > focus but this sort of a thing happens in modern day India. > > > > The only reason these preculairities are being mentioned > here are > to see to what extent Jyotish can illustrate life > manifestations. > This in turn is borne out of a personal need to see everything > from > this amazing art. > > > > Back to the matter at hand. I have talked of the Neecha > malefics > below so I will not repeat. > > > > About Brahmin Shrapa, one is aware that in may not be > causative of > denial. But as Visti pointed out in another segment on 'Bhava > Shrapa', the Naisargika Karakattwa and the house where the > curse > happens are both to be noted, apart from the 'source area' > seen from > the most powerful house owned by the most powerful malefic > causing > the benefic to curse. > > > > Sanjay Ji mentioned about Guru for mutable Lagnas where He > carries > the Kendradhipati Dosha as saying that such Guru can really > bless at > the time of marriage (where it is 7th Lord). This was in some > mail > somewhere else. So we can take it that despite being Badhak > Guru is > still capable of blessing. Fine. > > > > In Sanjay Ji's analysis responding to Sri Utpal Pathak's > words, I > found the following questions arising in my mind: > > > > 1. Jupiter Dasha was the peak of his career. It was giving > the > results of Mars, the most malefic planet for Kanya Lagna! It > is the > 3rd and 8th Lord. Further, it is in the 8th House from the > Arudha > Lagna as a dire malefic even from the Arudha Lagan. Only > benefics === message truncated === Regards, Krishna http://astrokrishna.blogspot.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 16, 2006 Report Share Posted October 16, 2006 Yes , Time of Birth in circulatin are many.I remember to have seen a letter in Astrologiclal Magazine wherein Sachin tendulkar birth time is quoted and is given by Docter who delivered him as a baby. In case i am able to find it , I shall post it for study. .. i am searching since the thread started, sorry for incoplete information, but hope to quote soon. Hari OM Tatsat , Krishnamurthy Seetharama <krishna_1998 wrote: > > Dear all, > > As I saw that there is no concurrance on the correct birth time > for Tendulkar, I did a search over the web. It is not surprising > to find that many astrologers have given their reading on his > chart. > > However, the interesting thing to note is that each one has used > a different birth time (varying from 7:30 am to 4:30pm). And > with different lagnas from Taurus to Virgo, everyone seem to > have their own reasoning for his great sucess as a sport person > and they also have their own reasoning for the recent troubles > and the reasoning for bright future! > > There can be only one correct lagna. It might be true that > exalted Sun and exalted Mars have made him a great sports > person. > > However, will that happen irrespective of any lagna is my > question. I request the learned members to give their thoughts > on the same. > > Regards, > Krishna > > --- utpal pathak <vedic_pathak wrote: > > > || Jay Gurudev || > > > > Dear Anurag ji, Namaskar > > > > This controversy on "lagna" Tendulkar is very much there as > > some > > prefers "Simha" as Lagna. > > > > I personally, along with many others stick to "Kanya" as he is > > Pure, > > Kanya like... Shy personality [actually i have seen a Chart of > > my > > colleague in 1996 who has almost same chart as Tendulkar and > > has > > some similarity with him such as Love marriage, early > > marriage, Wife > > elder then him, awards & recognition in his own field, great > > Technical skills (in Industrial Automation)] > > > > I have tried to express my thoughts on the questions you have > > asked > > to shri sourav. i hope you won't object. > > > > 1) It is very general & hence very risky to say that Mars > > can't > > bestow excellent results on Kanaya Lagna. 3rd lord of > > Parakrama is > > exalted in 5th is an indicator of Great prowess in the field > > of > > Sports. It is also an Indicator of "Many Awards & > > Recognition". > > > > *If we Take Moon Lagna, Mars is 5th Lord exalted in 2nd > > aspecting > > exalted 9th lord sun which is placed in 5th. hence from Moon > > Lagna > > Mars is exceedingly well placed (One can consider it as he is > > a > > Public figure and as Dr. Raman warned astrologers not to give > > judgment unless chart is also seen from reference point of > > Moon) > > > > * If we consider Mars Dasha from Sun (As per Sanjayji's Tripod > > > > principle) , He is Placed in 10th from Sun & exalted so should > > be > > giving great results in career. > > > > * I have no convincing answer for your point about his > > position as > > 8th from AL. (I think Sun & Mars are SO VERY STRONG as i > > indicated > > in my earlier Mail that has Probably or Surely overtaken other > > weak > > yogas. > > ) > > > > 2) Sanjay ji can probably thro' some light on that. but i > > think that > > Sun's Strength is too great which has steer-clear all other > > other > > small weaknesses. (we have a particular Shloka in one classic > > that > > Rahu's evil can be nullified by strong mercury.........Sun's > > strength can nullify the weakness of all the other planets put > > > > together) > > > > 3) Jupiter though Debilitated & carrying all kinds of Dosha > > may not > > prove bad for progeny because of the following reasons > > - The despositor Saturn, which is also 5th lord is in best > > Trine > > unaffiliated by other natural malefics > > - 5th from Moon is exalted and aspecting own 5th house while > > 5th is > > occupied by exalted 9th lord Sun. > > - 5th from Jupiter is 9th house is also not badly placed. > > > > (Some additional- Mercury is Debilitated Lagna lord not well > > placed > > in 7th still Tendulkar has become Hottest Brand > > notwithstanding his > > many limitations. -- Mercury is in Kendra to Moon as well as > > Lagna > > and both this references denotes "Fame" and hence His Fame & > > nothing > > else is responsible for his status as one of the Most sellable > > Brand) > > > > I bag your pardon if over written as I have a high regard for > > your > > knowledge. > > > > Yours, > > > > Utpal Pathak > > > > sohamsa, "Anurag Sharma" > > <anuraagsharma27@> wrote: > > > > > > |Om Saraswatyai Namah| > > > > > > Dear Sourav Ji, > > > > > > Namaskar. > > > > > > Thank you for your views. I agree with your expression of > > the > > Paramparic Jyotish stand as being accurate. Some thoughts of > > this > > chart are expressed below. > > > > > > The entire birth apparatus is certainly in the mother's > > body. The > > Arudha in the male chart are seen for : (a) potency and (b) > > sterility/ infertility. If potency is an issue, the female > > apparatus > > is rendered actively defunct. If sterility is an issue, the > > apparatus cannot work suo moto. It is union and both charts > > need to > > fulfil the criteria. I trust your analysis of the Varga and > > have not > > checked. The Nakshatra perspective may also be totally valid. > > Yes, > > Sachin may have had remedial measures. You phrase suggests > > that the > > chart might need them. > > > > > > I feel the chart is correct. Two rather inane observations; > > they > > may be inane but are factual. > > > > > > For a man of such calibre, his voice has inspired bad jokes. > > > > Neecha Budh at play. Despite that advertising continues to use > > his > > voice as it is. Neechabhanga. He sometimes struggles with the > > quality of his spoken expression. Neecha Budh. However, this > > is > > crucially a part of the work he does as an advertising icon. > > Budh is > > in the 10th from AL in Rashi Chart. > > > > > > The other somewhat worthless observation is about his > > characteristic bending of the knees in a nervous gesture to > > ease the > > groin while playing. Again the 7th House and the debilitated > > planet > > in the Marana Karaka Sthana. In a cricket game, one was > > astonished > > to see Mr. Sunil Gavaskar go up to a mimic who made these > > gestures. > > Personally, it is less than dignified to make such things > > matters of > > focus but this sort of a thing happens in modern day India. > > > > > > The only reason these preculairities are being mentioned > > here are > > to see to what extent Jyotish can illustrate life > > manifestations. > > This in turn is borne out of a personal need to see everything > > from > > this amazing art. > > > > > > Back to the matter at hand. I have talked of the Neecha > > malefics > > below so I will not repeat. > > > > > > About Brahmin Shrapa, one is aware that in may not be > > causative of > > denial. But as Visti pointed out in another segment on 'Bhava > > Shrapa', the Naisargika Karakattwa and the house where the > > curse > > happens are both to be noted, apart from the 'source area' > > seen from > > the most powerful house owned by the most powerful malefic > > causing > > the benefic to curse. > > > > > > Sanjay Ji mentioned about Guru for mutable Lagnas where He > > carries > > the Kendradhipati Dosha as saying that such Guru can really > > bless at > > the time of marriage (where it is 7th Lord). This was in some > > mail > > somewhere else. So we can take it that despite being Badhak > > Guru is > > still capable of blessing. Fine. > > > > > > In Sanjay Ji's analysis responding to Sri Utpal Pathak's > > words, I > > found the following questions arising in my mind: > > > > > > 1. Jupiter Dasha was the peak of his career. It was giving > > the > > results of Mars, the most malefic planet for Kanya Lagna! It > > is the > > 3rd and 8th Lord. Further, it is in the 8th House from the > > Arudha > > Lagna as a dire malefic even from the Arudha Lagan. Only > > benefics > === message truncated === > > > Regards, > Krishna > http://astrokrishna.blogspot.com > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 20, 2006 Report Share Posted October 20, 2006 || Jay Gurudev || Namskar Krishna ji, I have just now re-entered the VA List after almost a year. I saw this message of yours. probably you have noted down the timing of Tendulkar from my old message which is i forwarded to VA list before i left the list in last Novemeber. Now I am still sticking to "Kanya Lagna" becuase the reason already i have provided in the other list. Now answering to your dowbt about his wealth, I can provide following justification considering Kanya Lagna -- 1) First & foremost is 11th from AL. Everybody is well aware of wealth must also be seen from 11th from AL. Note that Sun with extra- ordinary strength (Deep Exaltation) is palced in 11th coupled with Venus. vensu is always prised for wealth hence there are 2 strong planets in 11th from AL. 2) Good wealth can also be gained if Banifics specially Guru or Moon are 7th from AL. Kanya lagna also satisfies this condition. 3) 2nd cum 9th lord Venus is placed in own Nakshatra and with very powerful Sun Looks at his own house (Dhana Sthana) aspected by exalted mars from 5th house. Planet looking at own house does strengthen it's own bhava & after all experience has shown that Venus does give good material results even if placed in 8th or 12th bhava. 4) 8th house in this case gives beneficial effects instead of giving malefic effects thus giving him wealth in torrent. 5) INDU LAGNA - Indu Lagna falls in 9th house with "Saturn" only. Learned savants say that if only one Strong (Natural)Malefic is placed in Indu Lagna without affliction, it gives Great wealth. Here the condition is truely present. Having said all these i shall except other lagna if convinced with the logic. Astrologically Yours, Utpal Pathak vedic astrology, Krishnamurthy Seetharama <krishna_1998 wrote: > > Dear Anuarug, > > You have said that: > > "But the Rashi chart, and knowing it is probably the correct > chart, suprises me with what it has delivered". > > You might be correct in suspecting the correctness of Rasi > chart. I have got another birth time for Sachin, though I don't > remember the source. I had noted it down in my database some > time ago based on a mail from one of the members. I have the > birth time as 13:00 hrs. This gives Kataka Lagna. > > When I studied this chart from Indu Lagna, it matches with his > excellent financial status. However, 14:25 time does not give me > similar results. I have not studeied the chart in detail for > other aspects. > > Do you think you would be more comfortable with 13:00 hrs as > birth time? > > Regards, > Krishna > http://astrokrishna.blogspot.com > > --- Anurag Sharma <anuraagsharma27 wrote: > > > |Om Saraswatyai Namah| > > > > Dear Sourav Ji, > > > > Namaskar. > > > > Thank you for your views. I agree with your expression of the > > Paramparic Jyotish stand as being accurate. Some thoughts of > > this chart are expressed below. > > > > The entire birth apparatus is certainly in the mother's body. > > The Arudha in the male chart are seen for : (a) potency and > > (b) sterility/ infertility. If potency is an issue, the female > > apparatus is rendered actively defunct. If sterility is an > > issue, the apparatus cannot work suo moto. It is union and > > both charts need to fulfil the criteria. I trust your analysis > > of the Varga and have not checked. The Nakshatra perspective > > may also be totally valid. Yes, Sachin may have had remedial > > measures. You phrase suggests that the chart might need them. > > > > I feel the chart is correct. Two rather inane observations; > > they may be inane but are factual. > > > > For a man of such calibre, his voice has inspired bad jokes. > > Neecha Budh at play. Despite that advertising continues to use > > his voice as it is. Neechabhanga. He sometimes struggles with > > the quality of his spoken expression. Neecha Budh. However, > > this is crucially a part of the work he does as an advertising > > icon. Budh is in the 10th from AL in Rashi Chart. > > > > The other somewhat worthless observation is about his > > characteristic bending of the knees in a nervous gesture to > > ease the groin while playing. Again the 7th House and the > > debilitated planet in the Marana Karaka Sthana. In a cricket > > game, one was astonished to see Mr. Sunil Gavaskar go up to a > > mimic who made these gestures. Personally, it is less than > > dignified to make such things matters of focus but this sort > > of a thing happens in modern day India. > > > > The only reason these preculairities are being mentioned here > > are to see to what extent Jyotish can illustrate life > > manifestations. This in turn is borne out of a personal need > > to see everything from this amazing art. > > > > Back to the matter at hand. I have talked of the Neecha > > malefics below so I will not repeat. > > > > About Brahmin Shrapa, one is aware that in may not be > > causative of denial. But as Visti pointed out in another > > segment on 'Bhava Shrapa', the Naisargika Karakattwa and the > > house where the curse happens are both to be noted, apart from > > the 'source area' seen from the most powerful house owned by > > the most powerful malefic causing the benefic to curse. > > > > Sanjay Ji mentioned about Guru for mutable Lagnas where He > > carries the Kendradhipati Dosha as saying that such Guru can > > really bless at the time of marriage (where it is 7th Lord). > > This was in some mail somewhere else. So we can take it that > > despite being Badhak Guru is still capable of blessing. Fine. > > > > In Sanjay Ji's analysis responding to Sri Utpal Pathak's > > words, I found the following questions arising in my mind: > > > > 1. Jupiter Dasha was the peak of his career. It was giving the > > results of Mars, the most malefic planet for Kanya Lagna! It > > is the 3rd and 8th Lord. Further, it is in the 8th House from > > the Arudha Lagna as a dire malefic even from the Arudha Lagan. > > Only benefics are appreciated in the 8th from the Arudha. > > > > 2. Exalted Sun for Kanya Lagna weakens the Vipreeta Raja Yoga > > as planets in the Dusthana should be weak for the Rajayoga to > > sustain. > > > > 3. I have to say that Neecha Badhak Guru in the 5th with the > > worst malefic for the Lagna and aspected by the 6th Lord, the > > primary Maraka for children is very serious affliction indeed. > > > > > > Sanjay Ji's reference to the Varga Chakras is very > > illustrative of the factors that explain Tendulkar's success. > > But the Rashi chart, and knowing it is probably the correct > > chart, suprises me with what it has delivered. It is just the > > instinctive response of a Jyotishi and a student of this art > > and should be understood in that manner. > > > > Best wishes, > > Anurag Sharma. > > > > Web: http://www.planetarytransformation.blogspot.com > > http://www.astrologyguild.com at the Articles page > > > > > > > > Re: [Om Krishna Guru] Tendulkar's chart & Progeny-Visti > > > > > > > > || Hare Raama Krsna || > > > > || Durgaa Smaranam || > > > > Dear Anuraag-ji, > > > > namaskar. May I be permitted > > to provide some comments. The onus of birth is on mother as > > the entire birth apparatus is in mother's body. Father > > provides the Sukra only. Further we do not know if Sachin has > > undergone any treatments or remedial measures. > > > > Sukra the kaaraka of semen in own nakshatra (Bharani) and > > Surya is in Aswini nakshatra owned by Ketu, co-lord of the > > third house. Further, 5th lord is well placed and in the > > nakshatra of Mangal who is exalted with the kaaraka of > > children Guru. Guru gains strength in presence of friend > > Mangal who is in own nakshatra hence quite strong. However, > > Mangal is 3rd and 8th lord and can give some problems in > > issues. Also, Guru is in Vrisabha navaamsa which is in the 9th > > house of Rasi chart, therefore Guru is in Bhagyaamsa-yuktah. > > Further, Chandra is digvali and gives neechabhanga to Guru and > > is also Guru's nakshatra dispositor (Sravana). > > > > The Brahmin Shaapa is not about denial of children but about > > sufferings indicated by the lordships of the afflictors. > > Further in the 5th house (which is not a dusthana) the curse > > fructifies around the period of childbirth. Here, affliction > > is primarily from Mangal who is lord of 3rd and 8th houses > > while Rahu the other afflictor is lord of 6th houses and can > > indicate injuries, diseases, relationships with brothers etc > > which caused suffering. > > > > Although there are certain weaknesses in the chart regarding > > children as pointed out by you, the rasi/navaamsa charts > > doesn't show denial. Guru and Mangal shows one boy one girl or > > both boys, which I don't know if it is correct. > > > > Saptaamsa lagna shows some afflictions but Guru is with Ketu > > (ketau kulsya unnatim) and is 9th lord, while Surya is 5th > > lord and well placed. Mangal is lagnalord exalted and well > > placed in the 10th house but has parivartana with Sani. > > > > Best wishes, > > > > Sourav > > > > > ================================================================= > > > > > > , "Anurag Sharma" > > <anuraagsharma27@> wrote: > > > > > > |Om Saraswatyai Namah| > > > > > > Dear Visti, > > > > > > Pranaam. > > > > > > Thank you for your response. Well this is another resolution > > to the > > > sometimes controversial issue of counting to the stronger > > lord or > > > reckong both Arudha and then considering the stronger > > Arudha. > > > > > > Correct. So, the stronger Vikram Arudha is in the 5th from > > Lagna and > > > is well placed from Surya. This solves a major problem for > > me, > > > regarding judging procreation potential in Tendulkar's > > chart. > > > > > > However, Bhagyapada is still badly afflicted by infertile > > Mercury > > > and the 9th Bhava from the Lagna has a Graha. Unless I am > > mistaken, > > > and I could well be, COVA states in one example that in case > > of > > > conflict the stronger of the Bhavas for which Padas have > > been > > > reckoned ought to be taken. Likewise, S3 is in the 6th from > > the Sun, > > > though the stronger S9 is well placed. > > > > > > Apart from these issues, which your learned views will > > resolve, I > > > suppose the only thing left is to consider the post-birth > > gross > > > affliction to the Putrakaraka and the Putrabhava with the > > Brahmin > > > Shrapa. > > > > > > Regards, > > > Anurag. > > > , Visti Larsen visti@ > > wrote: > > > > > > > > |Hare Rama Krsna| > > > > Dear Anurag, Namaskar. > > > > There are two options for the Vikramapada in Sachins > > chart. Which > > > do you > > > > think is stronger? > > > === message truncated === > > > Regards, > Krishna > http://astrokrishna.blogspot.com > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 21, 2006 Report Share Posted October 21, 2006 Dear Utpalji, Thanks for the clarifications and inputs. I buy your logic on Sachin being a shy person indicates Virgo Lagna. However, I am looking for other aspects that should match as well. I use Indu Lagna while judging finances. You have rightly pointed out that IL falls in Taurus with Saturn in it (for 4:30pm being the birth time). I notice that that IL is under Paapakartari. Will it not counter the indications of good wealth seen otherwise? Also, can you please point me to the source where it says that IL with unafflicted malefic indicates great wealth? I am particularly curious about this as I have lone Saturn in my IL as well 8-) Sri. B V Raman says that - "If Dhana Lagna is occupied by pure malefics, such as the Sun, Saturn or Mars, the person will have moderate wealth". He also adds that - "...the planets situated in 3,6,8,12 from this special Dhana Lagna will destroy wealth and give unnecessary expenese and losses". In Sachin's chart, we have Moon, Rahu in the 8th and Sun and Venus in the 12th from IL. Hence, his Rahu dasha should have been particularly bad w.r.t finances. And, as four planets are in inimical locations, indicates poor finances in general. However, in reality it is not so as his Rahu dasha started in 1996. I suppose he made good money during this period. Please clarify. Regards, Krishna --- utpal pathak <vedic_pathak > wrote: > || Jay Gurudev || > > Namskar Krishna ji, > > I have just now re-entered the VA List after almost a year. I > saw > this message of yours. probably you have noted down the timing > of > Tendulkar from my old message which is i forwarded to VA list > before > i left the list in last Novemeber. > > Now I am still sticking to "Kanya Lagna" becuase the reason > already > i have provided in the other list. > > Now answering to your dowbt about his wealth, I can provide > following justification considering Kanya Lagna -- > > 1) First & foremost is 11th from AL. Everybody is well aware > of > wealth must also be seen from 11th from AL. Note that Sun with > extra- > ordinary strength (Deep Exaltation) is palced in 11th coupled > with > Venus. vensu is always prised for wealth hence there are 2 > strong > planets in 11th from AL. > > 2) Good wealth can also be gained if Banifics specially Guru > or Moon > are 7th from AL. Kanya lagna also satisfies this condition. > > 3) 2nd cum 9th lord Venus is placed in own Nakshatra and with > very > powerful Sun Looks at his own house (Dhana Sthana) aspected by > > exalted mars from 5th house. Planet looking at own house does > strengthen it's own bhava & after all experience has shown > that > Venus does give good material results even if placed in 8th or > 12th > bhava. > > 4) 8th house in this case gives beneficial effects instead of > giving > malefic effects thus giving him wealth in torrent. > > 5) INDU LAGNA - Indu Lagna falls in 9th house with "Saturn" > only. > Learned savants say that if only one Strong (Natural)Malefic > is > placed in Indu Lagna without affliction, it gives Great > wealth. Here > the condition is truely present. > > Having said all these i shall except other lagna if convinced > with > the logic. > > Astrologically Yours, > > Utpal Pathak > > vedic astrology, Krishnamurthy > Seetharama > <krishna_1998 wrote: > > > > Dear Anuarug, > > > > You have said that: > > > > "But the Rashi chart, and knowing it is probably the correct > > chart, suprises me with what it has delivered". > > > > You might be correct in suspecting the correctness of Rasi > > chart. I have got another birth time for Sachin, though I > don't > > remember the source. I had noted it down in my database some > > time ago based on a mail from one of the members. I have the > > birth time as 13:00 hrs. This gives Kataka Lagna. > > > > When I studied this chart from Indu Lagna, it matches with > his > > excellent financial status. However, 14:25 time does not > give me > > similar results. I have not studeied the chart in detail for > > other aspects. > > > > Do you think you would be more comfortable with 13:00 hrs as > > birth time? > > > > Regards, > > Krishna > > http://astrokrishna.blogspot.com > > > > --- Anurag Sharma <anuraagsharma27 wrote: > > > > > |Om Saraswatyai Namah| > > > > > > Dear Sourav Ji, > > > > > > Namaskar. > > > > > > Thank you for your views. I agree with your expression of > the > > > Paramparic Jyotish stand as being accurate. Some thoughts > of > > > this chart are expressed below. > > > > > > The entire birth apparatus is certainly in the mother's > body. > > > The Arudha in the male chart are seen for : (a) potency > and > > > (b) sterility/ infertility. If potency is an issue, the > female > > > apparatus is rendered actively defunct. If sterility is an > > > issue, the apparatus cannot work suo moto. It is union and > > > both charts need to fulfil the criteria. I trust your > analysis > > > of the Varga and have not checked. The Nakshatra > perspective > > > may also be totally valid. Yes, Sachin may have had > remedial > > > measures. You phrase suggests that the chart might need > them. > > > > > > I feel the chart is correct. Two rather inane > observations; > > > they may be inane but are factual. > > > > > > For a man of such calibre, his voice has inspired bad > jokes. > > > Neecha Budh at play. Despite that advertising continues to > use > > > his voice as it is. Neechabhanga. He sometimes struggles > with > > > the quality of his spoken expression. Neecha Budh. > However, > > > this is crucially a part of the work he does as an > advertising > > > icon. Budh is in the 10th from AL in Rashi Chart. > > > > > > The other somewhat worthless observation is about his > > > characteristic bending of the knees in a nervous gesture > to > > > ease the groin while playing. Again the 7th House and the > > > debilitated planet in the Marana Karaka Sthana. In a > cricket > > > game, one was astonished to see Mr. Sunil Gavaskar go up > to a > > > mimic who made these gestures. Personally, it is less than > > > dignified to make such things matters of focus but this > sort > > > of a thing happens in modern day India. > > > > > > The only reason these preculairities are being mentioned > here > > > are to see to what extent Jyotish can illustrate life > > > manifestations. This in turn is borne out of a personal > need > > > to see everything from this amazing art. > > > > > > Back to the matter at hand. I have talked of the Neecha > > > malefics below so I will not repeat. > > > > > > About Brahmin Shrapa, one is aware that in may not be > > > causative of denial. But as Visti pointed out in another > > > segment on 'Bhava Shrapa', the Naisargika Karakattwa and > the > > > house where the curse happens are both to be noted, apart > from > > > the 'source area' seen from the most powerful house owned > by > > > the most powerful malefic causing the benefic to curse. > > > > > > Sanjay Ji mentioned about Guru for mutable Lagnas where He > > > carries the Kendradhipati Dosha as saying that such Guru > can > > > really bless at the time of marriage (where it is 7th > Lord). > > > This was in some mail somewhere else. So we can take it > that > > > despite being Badhak Guru is still capable of blessing. > Fine. > > > > > > In Sanjay Ji's analysis responding to Sri Utpal Pathak's > > > words, I found the following questions arising in my mind: > > > > > > 1. Jupiter Dasha was the peak of his career. It was giving > the > > > results of Mars, the most malefic planet for Kanya Lagna! > It > > > is the 3rd and 8th Lord. Further, it is in the 8th House > from > > > the Arudha Lagna as a dire malefic even from the Arudha > Lagan. > > > Only benefics are appreciated in the 8th from the Arudha. > > > > > > 2. Exalted Sun for Kanya Lagna weakens the Vipreeta Raja > Yoga > === message truncated === Regards, Krishna http://astrokrishna.blogspot.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 24, 2006 Report Share Posted October 24, 2006 Dear Krishna Ji, Regret the delay in reply. In support of Kanya Lagna, I have also given one Horoscope which you might have looked at. For Financial Matters, I am afraid, Indu Lagna is Only one of the considerations. 11th from AL is one of the Main things to look at besides other things. If we take "Karka" Lagna (s per 13.00 pm) then AL falls in Taurus with Saturn in it. in that case 12th from AL becomes much stronger than 11th from AL makes it Financially weak chart. ------------ Surce of INDU Lagna information is "Clue to Intertreting Charts" by Gayatridevi Vasudev (Daughter of Late dr. Raman). She has in details discussed the IL Technique. In that she has mentioned some principles with many charts to judge the financial strength of a native. the essence of that lies in Placement in IL & Aspect over it to judge the financial strength. There is no mention of other placements w.r.t to IL or Kartari yoga etc w.r.t it. one of the principle is that "If a powerful malefic in or aspecting Indul Lagna - Very rich ---> Amitabh Bachhan's chart is the example to support the view. he has IL in Taurus with Lagna lord Saturn (Natural Malefic & Powerful as occupying kendra and friendly sign) occupying it may be one of the factors conffering great riches on him. Now identicle example is of Sachin Tendulkar. Like Amitabh, he too have IL in Taurus having 5th lord Saturn occupying it. Both the above examples perfectly satisfy the Rule for IL which i mentioned above. rest you can see from the book. Personally I have no opinion on IL interpretation as i have not looked at it much to form any opinion on IL. I mentioned you the above information as you discussed about it and asked for the source. Thanks & warm regards, Utpal Pathak Krishnamurthy Seetharama <krishna_1998 > wrote: Dear Utpalji, Thanks for the clarifications and inputs. I buy your logic on Sachin being a shy person indicates Virgo Lagna. However, I am looking for other aspects that should match as well. I use Indu Lagna while judging finances. You have rightly pointed out that IL falls in Taurus with Saturn in it (for 4:30pm being the birth time). I notice that that IL is under Paapakartari. Will it not counter the indications of good wealth seen otherwise? Also, can you please point me to the source where it says that IL with unafflicted malefic indicates great wealth? I am particularly curious about this as I have lone Saturn in my IL as well 8-) Sri. B V Raman says that - "If Dhana Lagna is occupied by pure malefics, such as the Sun, Saturn or Mars, the person will have moderate wealth". He also adds that - "...the planets situated in 3,6,8,12 from this special Dhana Lagna will destroy wealth and give unnecessary expenese and losses". In Sachin's chart, we have Moon, Rahu in the 8th and Sun and Venus in the 12th from IL. Hence, his Rahu dasha should have been particularly bad w.r.t finances. And, as four planets are in inimical locations, indicates poor finances in general. However, in reality it is not so as his Rahu dasha started in 1996. I suppose he made good money during this period. Please clarify. Regards, Krishna --- utpal pathak wrote: > || Jay Gurudev || > > Namskar Krishna ji, > > I have just now re-entered the VA List after almost a year. I > saw > this message of yours. probably you have noted down the timing > of > Tendulkar from my old message which is i forwarded to VA list > before > i left the list in last Novemeber. > > Now I am still sticking to "Kanya Lagna" becuase the reason > already > i have provided in the other list. > > Now answering to your dowbt about his wealth, I can provide > following justification considering Kanya Lagna -- > > 1) First & foremost is 11th from AL. Everybody is well aware > of > wealth must also be seen from 11th from AL. Note that Sun with > extra- > ordinary strength (Deep Exaltation) is palced in 11th coupled > with > Venus. vensu is always prised for wealth hence there are 2 > strong > planets in 11th from AL. > > 2) Good wealth can also be gained if Banifics specially Guru > or Moon > are 7th from AL. Kanya lagna also satisfies this condition. > > 3) 2nd cum 9th lord Venus is placed in own Nakshatra and with > very > powerful Sun Looks at his own house (Dhana Sthana) aspected by > > exalted mars from 5th house. Planet looking at own house does > strengthen it's own bhava & after all experience has shown > that > Venus does give good material results even if placed in 8th or > 12th > bhava. > > 4) 8th house in this case gives beneficial effects instead of > giving > malefic effects thus giving him wealth in torrent. > > 5) INDU LAGNA - Indu Lagna falls in 9th house with "Saturn" > only. > Learned savants say that if only one Strong (Natural)Malefic > is > placed in Indu Lagna without affliction, it gives Great > wealth. Here > the condition is truely present. > > Having said all these i shall except other lagna if convinced > with > the logic. > > Astrologically Yours, > > Utpal Pathak > > vedic astrology, Krishnamurthy > Seetharama > wrote: > > > > Dear Anuarug, > > > > You have said that: > > > > "But the Rashi chart, and knowing it is probably the correct > > chart, suprises me with what it has delivered". > > > > You might be correct in suspecting the correctness of Rasi > > chart. I have got another birth time for Sachin, though I > don't > > remember the source. I had noted it down in my database some > > time ago based on a mail from one of the members. I have the > > birth time as 13:00 hrs. This gives Kataka Lagna. > > > > When I studied this chart from Indu Lagna, it matches with > his > > excellent financial status. However, 14:25 time does not > give me > > similar results. I have not studeied the chart in detail for > > other aspects. > > > > Do you think you would be more comfortable with 13:00 hrs as > > birth time? > > > > Regards, > > Krishna > > http://astrokrishna.blogspot.com > > > > --- Anurag Sharma wrote: > > > > > |Om Saraswatyai Namah| > > > > > > Dear Sourav Ji, > > > > > > Namaskar. > > > > > > Thank you for your views. I agree with your expression of > the > > > Paramparic Jyotish stand as being accurate. Some thoughts > of > > > this chart are expressed below. > > > > > > The entire birth apparatus is certainly in the mother's > body. > > > The Arudha in the male chart are seen for : (a) potency > and > > > (b) sterility/ infertility. If potency is an issue, the > female > > > apparatus is rendered actively defunct. If sterility is an > > > issue, the apparatus cannot work suo moto. It is union and > > > both charts need to fulfil the criteria. I trust your > analysis > > > of the Varga and have not checked. The Nakshatra > perspective > > > may also be totally valid. Yes, Sachin may have had > remedial > > > measures. You phrase suggests that the chart might need > them. > > > > > > I feel the chart is correct. Two rather inane > observations; > > > they may be inane but are factual. > > > > > > For a man of such calibre, his voice has inspired bad > jokes. > > > Neecha Budh at play. Despite that advertising continues to > use > > > his voice as it is. Neechabhanga. He sometimes struggles > with > > > the quality of his spoken expression. Neecha Budh. > However, > > > this is crucially a part of the work he does as an > advertising > > > icon. Budh is in the 10th from AL in Rashi Chart. > > > > > > The other somewhat worthless observation is about his > > > characteristic bending of the knees in a nervous gesture > to > > > ease the groin while playing. Again the 7th House and the > > > debilitated planet in the Marana Karaka Sthana. In a > cricket > > > game, one was astonished to see Mr. Sunil Gavaskar go up > to a > > > mimic who made these gestures. Personally, it is less than > > > dignified to make such things matters of focus but this > sort > > > of a thing happens in modern day India. > > > > > > The only reason these preculairities are being mentioned > here > > > are to see to what extent Jyotish can illustrate life > > > manifestations. This in turn is borne out of a personal > need > > > to see everything from this amazing art. > > > > > > Back to the matter at hand. I have talked of the Neecha > > > malefics below so I will not repeat. > > > > > > About Brahmin Shrapa, one is aware that in may not be > > > causative of denial. But as Visti pointed out in another > > > segment on 'Bhava Shrapa', the Naisargika Karakattwa and > the > > > house where the curse happens are both to be noted, apart > from > > > the 'source area' seen from the most powerful house owned > by > > > the most powerful malefic causing the benefic to curse. > > > > > > Sanjay Ji mentioned about Guru for mutable Lagnas where He > > > carries the Kendradhipati Dosha as saying that such Guru > can > > > really bless at the time of marriage (where it is 7th > Lord). > > > This was in some mail somewhere else. So we can take it > that > > > despite being Badhak Guru is still capable of blessing. > Fine. > > > > > > In Sanjay Ji's analysis responding to Sri Utpal Pathak's > > > words, I found the following questions arising in my mind: > > > > > > 1. Jupiter Dasha was the peak of his career. It was giving > the > > > results of Mars, the most malefic planet for Kanya Lagna! > It > > > is the 3rd and 8th Lord. Further, it is in the 8th House > from > > > the Arudha Lagna as a dire malefic even from the Arudha > Lagan. > > > Only benefics are appreciated in the 8th from the Arudha. > > > > > > 2. Exalted Sun for Kanya Lagna weakens the Vipreeta Raja > Yoga > === message truncated === Regards, Krishna http://astrokrishna.blogspot.com Want to be your own boss? Learn how on Small Business. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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