Why nativities jump ship --- Contemporary Jyotish:another view

[Guest guest]

Dear Rishi,

 

I have had first hand experience with the producers of these TV programs on Jyotish. As many as five 20-minute episodes are recorded in a single day. All calls are made by the studio people themselves. Every episode's script is prepared in advance.

 

Even a non-astrologer can portray himself as an astrologer given such freedom of a prior written script and question-answers. Thats the reason behind the 30 second answers. Most of the people who are seen in such astrology programs have only some tit bits of knowledge about astrology.

 

Moreover, the astrologers pay the producers anything from Rs.5000 to 20000 per episode. It is not the other way round as the viewers think it to be.

 

 

Regards,

 

Ashutosh

 

 

 

 

-

rishi_2000in

Tuesday, 17 October, 2006 07:57

Re: Why nativities jump ship --- Contemporary Jyotish:another view

 

 

Two contemporary Indian Jyotish scenes:

1. A widely viewed national news channel produces a 30 minute daily

phone-in program on Jyotish. About 15 callers phone in each day,

giving their date, time of birth, place etc. The Jyotishi casts a

chart looks at it for a full 30 seconds and glibly prescribes

remedies more often than not including gems and diagnoses all the

problems. Full 30 seconds is the time given!

2. For almost a week print media builds up a phenomena called "ravi

pushya nakshatra" which happened this year on Sunday, 15th October

and is supposedly "extremely lucky and auspicious" for purchasing.

Jyotish aka marketing!

And then we talk of why consumer faith is lacking. The veneer and

sophistication lent to Jyotish with softwares is just another form of

the roadside fortuneteller who uses a parrot to predict your future.

And they still exist, the parrotwallahs.

 

Regards

 

rishi

 

, "Rohiniranjan"

<jyotish_vani wrote:

>

> Rishi,

>

> This is an important posting you have made. Thanks!

> However, truth be told, most successful astrologers whether they

> admit it or not would recall many an instance where while they were

> applying established principles were helped by something other than

> logic. What happens is, and all beginners would relate to this

fact,

> that when looking at charts, or a specific area in a chart multiple

> factors come into play and it becomes confusing which of those

would

> prevail. The weighting is helped by balas and ashtakavargas etc,

but

> there is also an intuitive leaning and selection process that

> operates. By calling it intuition, I am not downplaying the

> importance of proper learning and application of astrology but

> acknowledging that a parallel para-logical process also operates,

> when we muse over a horoscope. So, established principles, while

> important are not the only thing that must be considered as the

> hallmark of quality (not that you were stating it to be so!).

>

> As far as ahamkara is considered, in many cases the ahamkara could

> just be a cover for insecurity. How many astrologers give

guarantees?

> If they were confident and ahamkaris, they would be giving strong

> guarantees!

>

> There is also the ahamkara in some jyotishis that jyotish

principles

> can predict to the tune of 100%. Some say this is not an ahamkara

but

> vaham (illusion).

>

> To each his own, I suppose!

>

> RR

>

> , rishi shukla

> <rishi_2000in@> wrote:

> >

> > Ranjanda,

> > All that perhaps is required of each of us to do the

> > task we are assigned to in the normal course of life.

> > As a jyotishi, if I am prescribing something or

> > predicting something it has to be backed up by some

> > established principles and explain the same with a

> > caveat.

> > We have no code of conduct for jyotishis and ethics in

> > todays age are changing fast. The ethics or moderation

> > needs to come from within.

> > The jyotishi's major weakness is his/her own ahankara

> > of knowing all!!

> >

> > In the journey of our lives we come across many

> > strangers who go out of their way in assisting us,

> > likewise the jyotishi perhaps has to.

> > It is here that professional Jyotish perhaps comes in

> > conflict with the basic concept of Jyotish as a tool

> > to guide lives.

> > rishi

> >

> >

> > --- Rohiniranjan <jyotish_vani@> wrote:

> >

> > > To that wonderfully open post, Rishi, I must share

> > > two experiences!

> > >

> > > 1. In late 80's we were in Amsterdam, when the

> > > Hongkong flu was

> > > rampant globally. We were traveling to India

> > > ultimately from North

> > > America. We and our only child, then, was stricken

> > > by the FLU. We

> > > knew no one, and had to find a doctor to look at him

> > > (flight to India

> > > was due in a couple of days!). We found one, in a

> > > not very impressive

> > > surroundings and he did not heal or cure the child

> > > but reassured us!

> > > I suppose given the viral nature of the illness, the

> > > parents and not

> > > the child were looking for assurance and healing! We

> > > got it!

> > >

> > > 2. Same trip to India, the same child got tripped

> > > over by a jealous

> > > child of our host! Our child got a bad cut lip as a

> > > consequence. My

> > > friend, of many years past, obviously extremely

> > > perturbed and

> > > anguished (as were we!) found a neighbourhood doctor

> > > who had just

> > > returned after a hard long day of practice. He took

> > > us in, dressed

> > > the wounds of my child, assured us that there will

> > > be no consequences

> > > as in scars etc (!). I tried so hard but the doctor

> > > would not take a

> > > cent from me or a gift!

> > >

> > > Maybe 'jyotish-vani' is not so much a payback to

> > > these gifts from non-

> > > astrologers but simply TO these and other wonderful

> > > humans, some

> > > doctors but not all obviously! Just a *Thank YOU* to

> > > all who give

> > > their lives literally and metaphorically to the

> > > service of humanity:

> > > Doctors, Policemen, Firemen, Nurses, Priests,

> > > Postmen, Teachers,

> > > astrophysicists, astrologers -- and not in any

> > > particular order in

> > > case someone dares bring up that to ripple the

> > > peace!

> > >

> > > Ranjan

> > >

> > >

> >

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[Guest guest]

Exactly, Ashutoshji, that is the point. Jyotish has a

lot of credibilty despite these unethical commercial

practices.

That is why the person seeking Jyotish help keeps

asking different jyotishis.

However, once a jyotishi proves his/her worth with

respect to a client only then the person really

believes. It is unfortunate that there is hardly any

code of conduct amongst Jyotishis which is commonly

accepted.

There is another reson why people seek many jyotishis

and multiple readings. When someone is in trouble they

would do all possible remedies hoping that something

will work.

regards

 

rishi

 

--- astrologerashutosh <astrologerashutosh (AT) (DOT) fr>

wrote:

 

> Dear Rishi,

>

> I have had first hand experience

> with the producers of these TV programs on Jyotish.

> As many as five 20-minute episodes are recorded in

> a single day. All calls are made by the studio

> people themselves. Every episode's script is

> prepared in advance.

>

> Even a non-astrologer can portray himself as

> an astrologer given such freedom of a prior written

> script and question-answers. Thats the reason behind

> the 30 second answers. Most of the people who are

> seen in such astrology programs have only some tit

> bits of knowledge about astrology.

>

> Moreover, the astrologers pay the producers

> anything from Rs.5000 to 20000 per episode. It is

> not the other way round as the viewers think it to

> be.

>

>

> Regards,

>

> Ashutosh

>

>

>

>

> -

> rishi_2000in

>

> Tuesday, 17 October, 2006 07:57

> Re: Why nativities jump ship ---

> Contemporary Jyotish:another view

>

>

> Two contemporary Indian Jyotish scenes:

> 1. A widely viewed national news channel produces

> a 30 minute daily

> phone-in program on Jyotish. About 15 callers

> phone in each day,

> giving their date, time of birth, place etc. The

> Jyotishi casts a

> chart looks at it for a full 30 seconds and glibly

> prescribes

> remedies more often than not including gems and

> diagnoses all the

> problems. Full 30 seconds is the time given!

> 2. For almost a week print media builds up a

> phenomena called "ravi

> pushya nakshatra" which happened this year on

> Sunday, 15th October

> and is supposedly "extremely lucky and auspicious"

> for purchasing.

> Jyotish aka marketing!

> And then we talk of why consumer faith is lacking.

> The veneer and

> sophistication lent to Jyotish with softwares is

> just another form of

> the roadside fortuneteller who uses a parrot to

> predict your future.

> And they still exist, the parrotwallahs.

>

> Regards

>

> rishi

>

> ,

> "Rohiniranjan"

> <jyotish_vani wrote:

> >

> > Rishi,

> >

> > This is an important posting you have made.

> Thanks!

> > However, truth be told, most successful

> astrologers whether they

> > admit it or not would recall many an instance

> where while they were

> > applying established principles were helped by

> something other than

> > logic. What happens is, and all beginners would

> relate to this

> fact,

> > that when looking at charts, or a specific area

> in a chart multiple

> > factors come into play and it becomes confusing

> which of those

> would

> > prevail. The weighting is helped by balas and

> ashtakavargas etc,

> but

> > there is also an intuitive leaning and selection

> process that

> > operates. By calling it intuition, I am not

> downplaying the

> > importance of proper learning and application of

> astrology but

> > acknowledging that a parallel para-logical

> process also operates,

> > when we muse over a horoscope. So, established

> principles, while

> > important are not the only thing that must be

> considered as the

> > hallmark of quality (not that you were stating

> it to be so!).

> >

> > As far as ahamkara is considered, in many cases

> the ahamkara could

> > just be a cover for insecurity. How many

> astrologers give

> guarantees?

> > If they were confident and ahamkaris, they would

> be giving strong

> > guarantees!

> >

> > There is also the ahamkara in some jyotishis

> that jyotish

> principles

> > can predict to the tune of 100%. Some say this

> is not an ahamkara

> but

> > vaham (illusion).

> >

> > To each his own, I suppose!

> >

> > RR

> >

> > , rishi

> shukla

> > <rishi_2000in@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Ranjanda,

> > > All that perhaps is required of each of us to

> do the

> > > task we are assigned to in the normal course

> of life.

> > > As a jyotishi, if I am prescribing something

> or

> > > predicting something it has to be backed up by

> some

> > > established principles and explain the same

> with a

> > > caveat.

> > > We have no code of conduct for jyotishis and

> ethics in

> > > todays age are changing fast. The ethics or

> moderation

> > > needs to come from within.

> > > The jyotishi's major weakness is his/her own

> ahankara

> > > of knowing all!!

> > >

> > > In the journey of our lives we come across

> many

> > > strangers who go out of their way in assisting

> us,

> > > likewise the jyotishi perhaps has to.

> > > It is here that professional Jyotish perhaps

> comes in

> > > conflict with the basic concept of Jyotish as

> a tool

> > > to guide lives.

> > > rishi

> > >

> > >

> > > --- Rohiniranjan <jyotish_vani@> wrote:

> > >

> > > > To that wonderfully open post, Rishi, I must

> share

> > > > two experiences!

> > > >

> > > > 1. In late 80's we were in Amsterdam, when

> the

> > > > Hongkong flu was

> > > > rampant globally. We were traveling to India

> > > > ultimately from North

> > > > America. We and our only child, then, was

> stricken

> > > > by the FLU. We

> > > > knew no one, and had to find a doctor to

> look at him

> > > > (flight to India

> > > > was due in a couple of days!). We found one,

> in a

> > > > not very impressive

> > > > surroundings and he did not heal or cure the

> child

> > > > but reassured us!

> > > > I suppose given the viral nature of the

> illness, the

> > > > parents and not

> > > > the child were looking for assurance and

> healing! We

> > > > got it!

> > > >

> > > > 2. Same trip to India, the same child got

> tripped

> > > > over by a jealous

> > > > child of our host! Our child got a bad cut

> lip

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