Why nativities jump ship --- Contemporary Jyotish:another view

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||Jai Ramakrishna||

Dear Rishiji, Ashutoshji & other learned members,

If u ever come to bengal, the scenario will be much more

clear...the "so-called" astrologers buy some airtime from the

channels...i doubt what knowledge they have or from where they

studied the subject...

I was somekind of perplexed, when the so-called astrologers used to

consider Sade-Sati with respect to Natal Mars(which should be

strictly seen from Natal Moon)...

A person, who was a victim of such astrologers, became my chat

friend from another astrological group, & showed me his chart. He

was told that his Sade-Sati period was running, he has strong Kuja

dosha, added to that he has Kaal Sarpa Yoga...I got an opportunity

to see his chart & i was awestruck, when i came across his chart. He

had neither of these three & he was charged few thousands for

getting some remedies!!!

The remedies they suggest in the TV, i doubt how will it work!!

Simple puja, Mantra Jap, reciting some hymns, gems is ok....but they

come with some unbelievable solutions!!

What i personally believe, all problems dont have a solution...u

need to find whether the native can have see some bright light

during an odd period, only then remedies will work...again the

native should do all personally(not a third person doing on behalf!!)

I have tried to call these TV Astrologers, but never got an

opportunity to talk them....i had no intention, other than to

challenge their knowledge..

Very few astrologers who come on TV are genuine, like K N Rao for

example...the less i talk abt B.Daruwalla, its better(who has taken

up Marketing of astro-products than astrology)....

Thanq

With Humbleness,

Wish u all success,

 

 

 

 

 

, rishi shukla

<rishi_2000in wrote:

>

> Exactly, Ashutoshji, that is the point. Jyotish has a

> lot of credibilty despite these unethical commercial

> practices.

> That is why the person seeking Jyotish help keeps

> asking different jyotishis.

> However, once a jyotishi proves his/her worth with

> respect to a client only then the person really

> believes. It is unfortunate that there is hardly any

> code of conduct amongst Jyotishis which is commonly

> accepted.

> There is another reson why people seek many jyotishis

> and multiple readings. When someone is in trouble they

> would do all possible remedies hoping that something

> will work.

> regards

>

> rishi

>

> --- astrologerashutosh <astrologerashutosh

> wrote:

>

> > Dear Rishi,

> >

> > I have had first hand experience

> > with the producers of these TV programs on Jyotish.

> > As many as five 20-minute episodes are recorded in

> > a single day. All calls are made by the studio

> > people themselves. Every episode's script is

> > prepared in advance.

> >

> > Even a non-astrologer can portray himself as

> > an astrologer given such freedom of a prior written

> > script and question-answers. Thats the reason behind

> > the 30 second answers. Most of the people who are

> > seen in such astrology programs have only some tit

> > bits of knowledge about astrology.

> >

> > Moreover, the astrologers pay the producers

> > anything from Rs.5000 to 20000 per episode. It is

> > not the other way round as the viewers think it to

> > be.

> >

> >

> > Regards,

> >

> > Ashutosh

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > -

> > rishi_2000in

> >

> > Tuesday, 17 October, 2006 07:57

> > Re: Why nativities jump ship ---

> > Contemporary Jyotish:another view

> >

> >

> > Two contemporary Indian Jyotish scenes:

> > 1. A widely viewed national news channel produces

> > a 30 minute daily

> > phone-in program on Jyotish. About 15 callers

> > phone in each day,

> > giving their date, time of birth, place etc. The

> > Jyotishi casts a

> > chart looks at it for a full 30 seconds and glibly

> > prescribes

> > remedies more often than not including gems and

> > diagnoses all the

> > problems. Full 30 seconds is the time given!

> > 2. For almost a week print media builds up a

> > phenomena called "ravi

> > pushya nakshatra" which happened this year on

> > Sunday, 15th October

> > and is supposedly "extremely lucky and auspicious"

> > for purchasing.

> > Jyotish aka marketing!

> > And then we talk of why consumer faith is lacking.

> > The veneer and

> > sophistication lent to Jyotish with softwares is

> > just another form of

> > the roadside fortuneteller who uses a parrot to

> > predict your future.

> > And they still exist, the parrotwallahs.

> >

> > Regards

> >

> > rishi

> >

> > ,

> > "Rohiniranjan"

> > <jyotish_vani@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Rishi,

> > >

> > > This is an important posting you have made.

> > Thanks!

> > > However, truth be told, most successful

> > astrologers whether they

> > > admit it or not would recall many an instance

> > where while they were

> > > applying established principles were helped by

> > something other than

> > > logic. What happens is, and all beginners would

> > relate to this

> > fact,

> > > that when looking at charts, or a specific area

> > in a chart multiple

> > > factors come into play and it becomes confusing

> > which of those

> > would

> > > prevail. The weighting is helped by balas and

> > ashtakavargas etc,

> > but

> > > there is also an intuitive leaning and selection

> > process that

> > > operates. By calling it intuition, I am not

> > downplaying the

> > > importance of proper learning and application of

> > astrology but

> > > acknowledging that a parallel para-logical

> > process also operates,

> > > when we muse over a horoscope. So, established

> > principles, while

> > > important are not the only thing that must be

> > considered as the

> > > hallmark of quality (not that you were stating

> > it to be so!).

> > >

> > > As far as ahamkara is considered, in many cases

> > the ahamkara could

> > > just be a cover for insecurity. How many

> > astrologers give

> > guarantees?

> > > If they were confident and ahamkaris, they would

> > be giving strong

> > > guarantees!

> > >

> > > There is also the ahamkara in some jyotishis

> > that jyotish

> > principles

> > > can predict to the tune of 100%. Some say this

> > is not an ahamkara

> > but

> > > vaham (illusion).

> > >

> > > To each his own, I suppose!

> > >

> > > RR

> > >

> > > , rishi

> > shukla

> > > <rishi_2000in@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Ranjanda,

> > > > All that perhaps is required of each of us to

> > do the

> > > > task we are assigned to in the normal course

> > of life.

> > > > As a jyotishi, if I am prescribing something

> > or

> > > > predicting something it has to be backed up by

> > some

> > > > established principles and explain the same

> > with a

> > > > caveat.

> > > > We have no code of conduct for jyotishis and

> > ethics in

> > > > todays age are changing fast. The ethics or

> > moderation

> > > > needs to come from within.

> > > > The jyotishi's major weakness is his/her own

> > ahankara

> > > > of knowing all!!

> > > >

> > > > In the journey of our lives we come across

> > many

> > > > strangers who go out of their way in assisting

> > us,

> > > > likewise the jyotishi perhaps has to.

> > > > It is here that professional Jyotish perhaps

> > comes in

> > > > conflict with the basic concept of Jyotish as

> > a tool

> > > > to guide lives.

> > > > rishi

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > --- Rohiniranjan <jyotish_vani@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > > To that wonderfully open post, Rishi, I must

> > share

> > > > > two experiences!

> > > > >

> > > > > 1. In late 80's we were in Amsterdam, when

> > the

> > > > > Hongkong flu was

> > > > > rampant globally. We were traveling to India

> > > > > ultimately from North

> > > > > America. We and our only child, then, was

> > stricken

> > > > > by the FLU. We

> > > > > knew no one, and had to find a doctor to

> > look at him

> > > > > (flight to India

> > > > > was due in a couple of days!). We found one,

> > in a

> > > > > not very impressive

> > > > > surroundings and he did not heal or cure the

> > child

> > > > > but reassured us!

> > > > > I suppose given the viral nature of the

> > illness, the

> > > > > parents and not

> > > > > the child were looking for assurance and

> > healing! We

> > > > > got it!

> > > > >

> > > > > 2. Same trip to India, the same child got

> > tripped

> > > > > over by a jealous

> > > > > child of our host! Our child got a bad cut

> > lip

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