Guest guest Posted October 19, 2006 Report Share Posted October 19, 2006 Dear Satsangh, The Bhagavad Gita speaks of the path of Knowledge, the path of Devotion, the path of Work, and the path of Yoga. Practiced rightly (which is rare) any of these methods lead one to realization. I have followed and sincerely practiced the path of Yoga. In 1979 as a result of these practices I entered the non-dual consciousness. I was surprised. I didn't know that such a thing existed because I was young and this concept was not taught in the circles in which I was active. I simply awoke one morning to a clear, pure consciousness undisturbed by any concept or thought. Then my yoga practices fell away. At that time, those particular practices were no longer necessary. Such is the result of effective practices. Effective practices performed sincerely are not a "box" that one gets sealed up into; but are a means to a certain end. I have mostly lived in this condition for nearly 30 years now. But, that is not the end of the story. The non-dual condition with which I am intimately acquainted is only an intermediate and partial realization. The buzzword of modern Advaita is "Consciousness". To many modern Vedantists "Consciousness" is the all in all. But if I were to offer a buzzword, a "sound bite" about spirituality, that buzzword would be "Life". Consciousness is an aspect of Life. The essence of spiritual nature, the essence of this "Life" cannot really be expressed at all. It can only be experienced. Satchidananda - Existence, Consciousness, Bliss is a better and more inclusive description of the Great Being than Consciousness alone. Jesus is reported to have said, "I AM (is) the Way, the Truth and the Life." Beyond the daily condition of the non-dual consciousness is the darshan of Satchidananda Brahman, the uncaused cause, the infinite, unborn, immortal, totally blissful, universal Ocean of Life. This transcendental experience accelerates personal evolution and propels one along on a course beyond the boundaries of commonly understood beliefs. Consciousness is a constituent of The Great LIFE which when experienced in its unmanifest essence is beyond understanding, compare or expression. We have come from this unmanifest essence, we are supported and sustained by It, and one day we will merge again in It, the source of All. Here's to Life!!! Love and peace, michael Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 19, 2006 Report Share Posted October 19, 2006 Michael Bowes wrote: Dear Satsangh, The Bhagavad Gita speaks of the path of Knowledge, the path of Devotion, the path of Work, and the path of Yoga. Practiced rightly (which is rare) any of these methods lead one to realization. I have followed and sincerely practiced the path of Yoga. In 1979 as a result of these practices I entered the non-dual consciousness. I was surprised. I didn’t know that such a thing existed because I was young and this concept was not taught in the circles in which I was active. I simply awoke one morning to a clear, pure consciousness undisturbed by any concept or thought. Then my yoga practices fell away. At that time, those particular practices were no longer necessary. Such is the result of effective practices. Effective practices performed sincerely are not a “box” that one gets sealed up into; but are a means to a certain end. I have mostly lived in this condition for nearly 30 years now. But, that is not the end of the story. The non-dual condition with which I am intimately acquainted is only an intermediate and partial realization. The buzzword of modern Advaita is “Consciousness”. To many modern Vedantists “Consciousness” is the all in all. But if I were to offer a buzzword, a “sound bite” about spirituality, that buzzword would be “Life”. Consciousness is an aspect of Life. The essence of spiritual nature, the essence of this “Life” cannot really be expressed at all. It can only be experienced. Satchidananda - Existence, Consciousness, Bliss is a better and more inclusive description of the Great Being than Consciousness alone. Jesus is reported to have said, “I AM (is) the Way, the Truth and the Life…” Beyond the daily condition of the non-dual consciousness is the darshan of Satchidananda Brahman, the uncaused cause, the infinite, unborn, immortal, totally blissful, universal Ocean of Life. This transcendental experience accelerates personal evolution and propels one along on a course beyond the boundaries of commonly understood beliefs. Consciousness is a constituent of The Great LIFE which when experienced in its unmanifest essence is beyond understanding, compare or expression. We have come from this unmanifest essence, we are supported and sustained by It, and one day we will merge again in It, the source of All. Here’s to Life!!! Love and peace, michael __._,_.___ Messages in this topic (2) Reply (via web post) | Start a new topic Messages Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 19, 2006 Report Share Posted October 19, 2006 "Consciousness is an aspect of Life." But, Michael, I don't understand how there can be life without consciousness. How can consciousness be an aspect of life when consciousness is that which makes it possible to experience life? We are conscious of life because there is Consciousness. Phil In a message dated 10/19/2006 7:08:53 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, aumshanti (AT) cox (DOT) net writes: Dear Satsangh, The Bhagavad Gita speaks of the path of Knowledge, the path of Devotion, the path of Work, and the path of Yoga. Practiced rightly (which is rare) any of these methods lead one to realization. I have followed and sincerely practiced the path of Yoga. In 1979 as a result of these practices I entered the non-dual consciousness. I was surprised. I didn’t know that such a thing existed because I was young and this concept was not taught in the circles in which I was active. I simply awoke one morning to a clear, pure consciousness undisturbed by any concept or thought. Then my yoga practices fell away. At that time, those particular practices were no longer necessary. Such is the result of effective practices. Effective practices performed sincerely are not a “box†that one gets sealed up into; but are a means to a certain end. I have mostly lived in this condition for nearly 30 years now. But, that is not the end of the story. The non-dual condition with which I am intimately acquainted is only an intermediate and partial realization. The buzzword of modern Advaita is “Consciousnessâ€. To many modern Vedantists “ Consciousness†is the all in all. But if I were to offer a buzzword, a “sound bite†about spirituality, that buzzword would be “Lifeâ€. Consciousness is an aspect of Life. The essence of spiritual nature, the essence of this “Life†cannot really be expressed at all. It can only be experienced. Satchidananda - Existence, Consciousness, Bliss is a better and more inclusive description of the Great Being than Consciousness alone. Jesus is reported to have said, “I AM (is) the Way, the Truth and the Life…†Beyond the daily condition of the non-dual consciousness is the darshan of Satchidananda Brahman, the uncaused cause, the infinite, unborn, immortal, totally blissful, universal Ocean of Life. This transcendental experience accelerates personal evolution and propels one along on a course beyond the boundaries of commonly understood beliefs. Consciousness is a constituent of The Great LIFE which when experienced in its unmanifest essence is beyond understanding, compare or expression. We have come from this unmanifest essence, we are supported and sustained by It, and one day we will merge again in It, the source of All. Here’s to Life!!! Love and peace, michael Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 19, 2006 Report Share Posted October 19, 2006 Hi Phil, Sometimes life goes on when you are "unconscious", does it not? I might mention that I am very familiar with the arguments about how we are allegedly conscious during DEEP sleep; but just so you'll know, I reject those arguments because they are proved false by our very own experience. The Advaitists make this argument endlessly and even Sri Ramana apparently used it; but it makes no difference to me who uses it because my own experience proves it false. To ignore one's own experience is a cause of error. Persons who desperately adhere to any particular philosophy try to make everything conform to that philosophy and I refer that as ignorance - no disrespect intended. There are those who attribute everything to “consciousnessâ€.. Therefore they conclude that when they are “unconscious†it is still consciousness that is operating. But I would suggest that it is LIFE that is operating in spite of the unconsciousness of the organism. In other words, I have no awareness during deep sleep; but life continues. I had surgery a couple of years ago, thank God I wasn't conscious during that; but life continued. To take this line of reasoning a step further, it is your experience and mine, that we eat, the food digests, we are not conscious of how. When we are young our bodies grow, we are not conscious of how. When we are injured the body mends, we are not conscious of how. Life causes this to happen without the action or agency of consciousness. Why is Consciousness such a neater nicer more inclusive term than Life? Life includes ALL is the ALL, conscioiusness is not always active. Love to all, michael ---- souldreamone (AT) AOL (DOT) com wrote: > > "Consciousness is an aspect of Life." > > But, Michael, I don't understand how there can be life without > consciousness. How can consciousness be an aspect of life when consciousness is that which > makes it possible to experience life? We are conscious of life because there > is Consciousness. > > Phil > > > In a message dated 10/19/2006 7:08:53 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, > aumshanti (AT) cox (DOT) net writes: > > > Dear Satsangh, > The Bhagavad Gita speaks of the path of Knowledge, the path of Devotion, the > path of Work, and the path of Yoga. Practiced rightly (which is rare) any > of these methods lead one to realization. I have followed and sincerely > practiced the path of Yoga. In 1979 as a result of these practices I entered the > non-dual consciousness. I was surprised. I didn’t know that such a thing > existed because I was young and this concept was not taught in the circles in > which I was active. I simply awoke one morning to a clear, pure > consciousness undisturbed by any concept or thought. Then my yoga practices fell away. > At that time, those particular practices were no longer necessary. Such is > the result of effective practices. Effective practices performed sincerely > are not a “box†that one gets sealed up into; but are a means to a certain > end. > I have mostly lived in this condition for nearly 30 years now. But, that is > not the end of the story. The non-dual condition with which I am intimately > acquainted is only an intermediate and partial realization. The buzzword > of modern Advaita is “Consciousnessâ€. To many modern Vedantists “ > Consciousness†is the all in all. But if I were to offer a buzzword, a “sound bite†> about spirituality, that buzzword would be “Lifeâ€. Consciousness is an aspect > of Life. > The essence of spiritual nature, the essence of this “Life†cannot really > be expressed at all. It can only be experienced. Satchidananda - Existence, > Consciousness, Bliss is a better and more inclusive description of the Great > Being than Consciousness alone. Jesus is reported to have said, “I AM (is) > the Way, the Truth and the Life…†> Beyond the daily condition of the non-dual consciousness is the darshan of > Satchidananda Brahman, the uncaused cause, the infinite, unborn, immortal, > totally blissful, universal Ocean of Life. This transcendental experience > accelerates personal evolution and propels one along on a course beyond the > boundaries of commonly understood beliefs. > Consciousness is a constituent of The Great LIFE which when experienced in > its unmanifest essence is beyond understanding, compare or expression. We > have come from this unmanifest essence, we are supported and sustained by It, > and one day we will merge again in It, the source of All. > Here’s to Life!!! > Love and peace, > michael > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 20, 2006 Report Share Posted October 20, 2006 ) l'haim!!! i drink to that! and smoke too! yosy (lehayim, the traditional hebrew toast, means literally "to life!") Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 20, 2006 Report Share Posted October 20, 2006 La Chaim my friend.... _____ [] On Behalf Of yosyx Thursday, October 19, 2006 5:39 PM Re: The Buzzword is LIFE ) l'haim!!! i drink to that! and smoke too! yosy (lehayim, the traditional hebrew toast, means literally "to life!") Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 20, 2006 Report Share Posted October 20, 2006 mb I wasn’t directing the “desperate†statement to you personally. Phil: I know. I was just sayin. mb I don’t know why you would assume that when I posted to the group and you replied on the group; but I will conform to your assumption because it doesn ’t matter to me. Phil: You sent me a personal email and I responded to you personally. I just went back and posted that response to the forum, as I will this one. mb The source of Life is Life itSelf. Life never began and it never will end. But consciousness comes and consciousness goes. That is your experience and that is my experience. Consciousness is that constituent feature of Life that allows Life to experience itSelf. Phil: I would say that life comes and goes, but Consciousness remains. I believe this is true of consciousness as the source of phenomena, and also in terms of human consciousness. If you've never read about near death experiences, it's actually quite intriguing what can happen when consciousness is no longer focused in the brain/body. So, to you, life and the world are objective things which may or may not be noticed, depending on whether consciousness is present? In a message dated 10/19/2006 7:42:33 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, aumshanti (AT) cox (DOT) net writes: Hi Phil, __ Souldreamone (AT) aol (DOT) com [souldreamone (AT) aol (DOT) com] Thursday, October 19, 2006 2:08 PM aumshanti (AT) cox (DOT) net Re: [ - Ramana Guru] The Buzzword is LIFE Hi Michael This seems interesting to me, so bear with me here. mb If you’ll bear with me, then I can bear with you my friend. As far as what it's called, it's not really a name preference, it's just that, to call Consciousness a constituent of Life, is to leave open the question of the source of life. I say that life is occurring 'within' Consciousness in much the way our nightly dreams occur within our human mind/consciousness. mb The source of Life is Life itSelf. Life never began and it never will end. But consciousness comes and consciousness goes. That is your experience and that is my experience. Consciousness is that constituent feature of Life that allows Life to experience itSelf. Personally, I don't "desperately adhere" to any philosophy, since it's my phi losophy that no philosophy is True in the Absolute sense. What I accept as most valid for me at the moment, is what I see intuitively, but I'm open to seeing something new, and I often do. mb I wasn’t directing the “desperate†statement to you personally. I'm going to assume you meant to keep this off the forum, but if not, feel free to post. mb I don’t know why you would assume that when I posted to the group and you replied on the group; but I will conform to your assumption because it doesn ’t matter to me. I am simply trying to express my experience. I don’t have any axes to grind or any points to prove. What Is is, regardless of your words or mine. I value your presence, opinion, friendship and interaction. Warm regards, michael Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 20, 2006 Report Share Posted October 20, 2006 dear friends, phil, michael & all, both "life" and "consciousness" are terms attempting to convey the indescribable, undefinable, all-pervading and one-without-a-second essence, the base of all. thus any argument is pointless and can't be really resolved. though intuitively i feel that both refer to the same basic awareness (oh no, here starts another argument! lol) which, being ever all including, can not be defined and/or seperated. but it's isness cannot be denied either... and this love is all we talk about anyway. respectfully yosy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 20, 2006 Report Share Posted October 20, 2006 I thought I was engaged in a discussion rather than an argument, but I'll cease whatever it is. Phil In a message dated 10/19/2006 11:42:36 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, yosyflug (AT) isdn (DOT) net.il writes: dear friends, phil, michael & all, both "life" and "consciousness" are terms attempting to convey the indescribable, undefinable, all-pervading and one-without-a-second essence, the base of all. thus any argument is pointless and can't be really resolved. though intuitively i feel that both refer to the same basic awareness (oh no, here starts another argument! lol) which, being ever all including, can not be defined and/or seperated. but it's isness cannot be denied either... and this love is all we talk about anyway. respectfully yosy Magazine and Website is at community blog is at http://.net/blog/ "Love itself is the actual form of God." Sri Ramana In "Letters from Sri Ramanasramam" by Suri Nagamma Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 20, 2006 Report Share Posted October 20, 2006 , "Michael Bowes" <aumshanti wrote: > > Dear Satsangh, > > > > The Bhagavad Gita speaks of the path of Knowledge, the path of Devotion, the > path of Work, and the path of Yoga. Practiced rightly (which is rare) any > of these methods lead one to realization. I have followed and sincerely > practiced the path of Yoga. In 1979 as a result of these practices I > entered the non-dual consciousness. I was surprised. I didn't know that > such a thing existed because I was young and this concept was not taught in > the circles in which I was active. I simply awoke one morning to a clear, > pure consciousness undisturbed by any concept or thought. Then my yoga > practices fell away. At that time, those particular practices were no > longer necessary. Such is the result of effective practices. Effective > practices performed sincerely are not a "box" that one gets sealed up into; > but are a means to a certain end. > > > > I have mostly lived in this condition for nearly 30 years now. But, that is > not the end of the story. The non-dual condition with which I am intimately > acquainted is only an intermediate and partial realization. The buzzword of > modern Advaita is "Consciousness". To many modern Vedantists > "Consciousness" is the all in all. But if I were to offer a buzzword, a > "sound bite" about spirituality, that buzzword would be "Life". > Consciousness is an aspect of Life. > > > > The essence of spiritual nature, the essence of this "Life" cannot really be > expressed at all. It can only be experienced. Satchidananda - Existence, > Consciousness, Bliss is a better and more inclusive description of the Great > Being than Consciousness alone. Jesus is reported to have said, "I AM (is) > the Way, the Truth and the Life." > > > > Beyond the daily condition of the non-dual consciousness is the darshan of > Satchidananda Brahman, the uncaused cause, the infinite, unborn, immortal, > totally blissful, universal Ocean of Life. This transcendental experience > accelerates personal evolution and propels one along on a course beyond the > boundaries of commonly understood beliefs. > > > > Consciousness is a constituent of The Great LIFE which when experienced in > its unmanifest essence is beyond understanding, compare or expression. We > have come from this unmanifest essence, we are supported and sustained by > It, and one day we will merge again in It, the source of All. > > > > Here's to Life!!! > > > > Love and peace, > > > > michael > However, dearest Michael, we are already merged sinew, blood and marrow in Life, we are Life itself, except for the thought that there could be such a thing to 'seek'. Love is Peace Peace is Love in the ultimate sense of Life. L'chaim. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 20, 2006 Report Share Posted October 20, 2006 , souldreamone wrote: > > > I thought I was engaged in a discussion rather than an argument, but I'll > cease whatever it is. > > Phil > > my sincere apology, phil. i meant discussion, not argument. english being my third language, i am sometimes unaware of the fundamental difference between the two terms, discussion and argument, and confuse between them... again,my apology. and my remark was not intended to make you cease, just a general observation that both terms are vague and indefinable, and mean essentially the same, imho. yosy > In a message dated 10/19/2006 11:42:36 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, > yosyflug writes: > > > > dear friends, phil, michael & all, > > both "life" and "consciousness" are terms attempting > to convey the indescribable, undefinable, all-pervading > and one-without-a-second essence, the base of all. > > thus any argument is pointless and can't be really > resolved. though intuitively i feel that both refer > to the same basic awareness (oh no, here starts > another argument! lol) which, being ever all including, > can not be defined and/or seperated. but it's isness > cannot be denied either... and this love is all we > talk about anyway. > > respectfully > yosy > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 20, 2006 Report Share Posted October 20, 2006 Dear Phil and everyone, _____ [] On Behalf Of souldreamone (AT) AOL (DOT) com Thursday, October 19, 2006 8:15 PM Re: The Buzzword is LIFE mb I wasn't directing the "desperate" statement to you personally. Phil: I know. I was just sayin. mb I don't know why you would assume that when I posted to the group and you replied on the group; but I will conform to your assumption because it doesn't matter to me. Phil: You sent me a personal email and I responded to you personally. I just went back and posted that response to the forum, as I will this one. mb: I'm sorry Phil. I thought that I was replying to your message #43121 that was posted to . mb The source of Life is Life itSelf. Life never began and it never will end. But consciousness comes and consciousness goes. That is your experience and that is my experience. Consciousness is that constituent feature of Life that allows Life to experience itSelf. Phil: I would say that life comes and goes, but Consciousness remains. I believe this is true of consciousness as the source of phenomena, and also in terms of human consciousness. If you've never read about near death experiences, it's actually quite intriguing what can happen when consciousness is no longer focused in the brain/body. So, to you, life and the world are objective things which may or may not be noticed, depending on whether consciousness is present? mb: To me when I am conscious, I am conscious. But when I am unconscious, I am unconscious. It seems fairly simple. But if I understand you correctly you are trying to tell me I am really conscious when I am unconscious but I just don't know it. I would like to be agreeable; but I can't confirm what you say because it is not a part of my experience. But if it is your experience that you ARE conscious when you are actually unconscious, then I would most certainly like to hear about your experience with that condition. I have read some accounts about Near Death Experiences. It seems to me that there was always some person who was conscious of an experience and later reported it. That's fine. I'm a very simple person and I can understand that. The person had an unusual experience and they were conscious of it. So once again, you may have had some experience of being conscious, while unconscious; but that is not something like an NDE because those persons were conscious. They may have appeared to be unconscious to the doctors or other observers; but they were in fact conscious. Their body may have been in a temporary seriously dysfunctional condition; but they themselves were conscious. As far as life, the world and objective things are concerned, I can tell you that I know that life is not an object; but in a practical sense we have to live our day to day lives on an objective level. I cannot simply let myself into someone else's home and use their possessions or facilities. I cannot take things that do not belong to me and I have to act as if objects and persons are somewhat independent of one another. Theory only takes a person so far. Practical life is another issue altogether. I could embellish this idea; but I hope you get my drift. I've had enough of theories in my life. I have heard theories that were interesting to me. They are either verifiable or they are not. Thank you for your kind and valuable interaction. Warm regards, michael snip Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 21, 2006 Report Share Posted October 21, 2006 Thanks, Yosy. No apology needed but gratefully accepted anyway. The discussion has run it's course regardless, and yes, perhaps it just comes down to how we all define terms, as you clarified in more ways than one in your post. Phil In a message dated 10/20/2006 3:31:30 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, yosyflug (AT) isdn (DOT) net.il writes: , souldreamone wrote: > > > I thought I was engaged in a discussion rather than an argument, but I'll > cease whatever it is. > > Phil > > my sincere apology, phil. i meant discussion, not argument. english being my third language, i am sometimes unaware of the fundamental difference between the two terms, discussion and argument, and confuse between them... again,my apology. and my remark was not intended to make you cease, just a general observation that both terms are vague and indefinable, and mean essentially the same, imho. yosy > In a message dated 10/19/2006 11:42:36 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, > yosyflug writes: > > > > dear friends, phil, michael & all, > > both "life" and "consciousness" are terms attempting > to convey the indescribable, undefinable, all-pervading > and one-without-a-second essence, the base of all. > > thus any argument is pointless and can't be really > resolved. though intuitively i feel that both refer > to the same basic awareness (oh no, here starts > another argument! lol) which, being ever all including, > can not be defined and/or seperated. but it's isness > cannot be denied either... and this love is all we > talk about anyway. > > respectfully > yosy > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 21, 2006 Report Share Posted October 21, 2006 mb: I’m sorry Phil. I thought that I was replying to your message #43121 that was posted to . Phil: Yes, I know. Apparently, this is something new that sometimes happens on lately; a reply is somehow routed to the post originator instead of the forum. Not a problem. But if I understand you correctly you are trying to tell me I am really conscious when I am unconscious but I just don’t know it. Phil: No, I'm suggesting that the 'you' you think you are arises and falls within the Consciousness that You really are. When 'you' sleep, 'I' don't lose consciousness. This is so not because there are two consciousnesses that have nothing to do with each other, but because the Consciousness that we both are, hasn't gone anywhere just because you're sleeping. Consciousness is not a thing that can be divided into pieces parts; there's just Consciousness. When you sleep, you create a dreamscape. That dreamscape dissolves when the alarm clock goes off. Did your dream character die or lose consciousness, or does it simply arise and fall within your human consciousness? I’ve had enough of theories in my life. Understandable. I'm afraid I have no facts to offer, not even the ones you're no doubt quite certain of. Phil In a message dated 10/20/2006 8:20:40 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, aumshanti (AT) cox (DOT) net writes: Dear Phil and everyone, __ [] On Behalf Of souldreamone (AT) AOL (DOT) com Thursday, October 19, 2006 8:15 PM Re: [ - Ramana Guru] The Buzzword is LIFE mb I wasn’t directing the “desperate†statement to you personally. Phil: I know. I was just sayin. mb I don’t know why you would assume that when I posted to the group and you replied on the group; but I will conform to your assumption because it doesn ’t matter to me. Phil: You sent me a personal email and I responded to you personally. I just went back and posted that response to the forum, as I will this one. mb: I’m sorry Phil. I thought that I was replying to your message #43121 that was posted to . mb The source of Life is Life itSelf. Life never began and it never will end. But consciousness comes and consciousness goes. That is your experience and that is my experience. Consciousness is that constituent feature of Life that allows Life to experience itSelf. Phil: I would say that life comes and goes, but Consciousness remains. I believe this is true of consciousness as the source of phenomena, and also in terms of human consciousness. If you've never read about near death experiences, it's actually quite intriguing what can happen when consciousness is no longer focused in the brain/body. So, to you, life and the world are objective things which may or may not be noticed, depending on whether consciousness is present? mb: To me when I am conscious, I am conscious. But when I am unconscious, I am unconscious. It seems fairly simple. But if I understand you correctly you are trying to tell me I am really conscious when I am unconscious but I just don’t know it. I would like to be agreeable; but I can’t confirm what you say because it is not a part of my experience. But if it is your experience that you ARE conscious when you are actually unconscious, then I would most certainly like to hear about your experience with that condition. I have read some accounts about Near Death Experiences. It seems to me that there was always some person who was conscious of an experience and later reported it. That’s fine. I’m a very simple person and I can understand that. The person had an unusual experience and they were conscious of it. So once again, you may have had some experience of being conscious, while unconscious; but that is not something like an NDE because those persons were conscious. They may have appeared to be unconscious to the doctors or other observers; but they were in fact conscious. Their body may have been in a temporary seriously dysfunctional condition; but they themselves were conscious. As far as life, the world and objective things are concerned, I can tell you that I know that life is not an object; but in a practical sense we have to live our day to day lives on an objective level. I cannot simply let myself into someone else’s home and use their possessions or facilities. I cannot take things that do not belong to me and I have to act as if objects and persons are somewhat independent of one another. Theory only takes a person so far. Practical life is another issue altogether. I could embellish this idea; but I hope you get my drift. I’ve had enough of theories in my life. I have heard theories that were interesting to me. They are either verifiable or they are not. Thank you for your kind and valuable interaction. Warm regards, michael snip Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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