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---- Tony OClery <aoclery > wrote:

> , "ramanamaharshideutschland"

> <ramanamaharshideutschland wrote:

> >

> > Thank you, Harsha - all is well with the moderators - so far I

> know.

> > To members which have been suddenly "thrown out" without a warning

> > notice or letting know - we apologize sincerely! Trust all is well

> > with them also.

> > I forgot to mention Miles "The Sage"-list, which always went in

> > parallels to the big Ramana Maharshi-list and was a silent place.

> > This is still alive and also may serve as a most valid

> alternative.

>

> Namaste,

>

> I had real problems with those groups as they were so Bhakti-Bhakti

> oriented, no real Ajativada, or Advaita discussion was entertained

> really.Most of the members seem to worship Ramana in a way he never

> would have taught himself.

>

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Hi Tony,

 

In regard to Ramana and his attitude toward Bhakti I would like to point out the famous photograph of him sitting as a model for the artist while his statue was being carved. I'm not at home now, so I can't find and attach the photo for you. But I will if need be when I get home. I brought to your attention on at least one other occasion and I'd be glad to do it again.

 

Peace and love,

 

michael

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>Yes Muktas 'tolerate' all kinds of different Bhakti from those that are not

mentally inclined to the >complete Advaita. Ramana himself has said as much

himself. My point was that he never taught as part of >his philosophy that

people should worship his form after his death--I don't think so anyway. I

wrote >Bhakti-Bhakti to illustrate what I was explaining, and that I had

posts deleted that were completely in >line with Ramana's teaching, that's

where I got them.

>I never did see the cult that formed around him after his Samadhi as being

what he taught. It really >indicates that most of those Ramana Worshiping

Bhaktas didn't absorb the teaching of 'Who am I?'.

>Worshiping his form subtle or no, might well as be any form, that is used

in transference of an image >to a person's own higher Self.

>Most took the Bhakti far beyond the concentration stage, and I found it

very strange, considering what >he taught. Even stranger was the cult type

'censorship' that arose to protect this particular >preliminary path and

behaviour.

 

>It just seemed incongrous to me that such dualists from the West,

particularly, would choose such an Advaitin to worship, considering the

amount of other gurus and pictures available..........ONS...Tony.

 

 

Tony, what do we really know about this?

The result of individual effort appears in time.

 

First drop Bhakti, it is just a whim.

When swept away go see

What the Jnani seems to be,

and who's filled to the brim.

 

 

 

 

Alan

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