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Subbuji wrote:

 

 

The tripuTI, triad – the dRRik (seer), chitta (the mind) and dRRishya (the

seen object) – is experienced in dream as much as it

is experienced in the waking. The distinction between the mind and the

ideas therein, and the outside objects are there in the dream as

in the waking. The instrumentality of the dream senses is also in

evidence. The distinction between fancies of the mind, as for example, in

day-dreaming and the so-called real objects outside, is

maintained in the dream as also that between the real and the illusory,

the latter being exemplified by the rope-snake.

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Namaste Subbuji and all Advaitins,

It's clear that Subbu is very committed to a particular

view and is able to justify it following certain well

known scriptures and commentaries. Others with

equal access to the scriptures in the original; a point

which he often stresses; take a different view. Is it

possible to rationally distinguish the fundamental

difference in orientation to the problem of consciousness that issues in

such clear divergence? I believe so.

 

By the way this view which is sometimes referred to

by the slightly pejorative title of 'illusionism' was

held by one of the greatest figures in European

philosophy who founded a branch of mathematics,

did major work in hydraulics, optics and vacuum

theory, was a noted stylist in Latin and the vernacular

as well as an advisor to the Queen of Sweden.

 

He writes: "How often has it happened to me that in

the night I dreamt that I found myself in this particular

place, that I was dressed and seated near the fire,

whilst in reality I was lying undressed in bed! At this

moment it does indeed seem to me that it is with eyes

awake that I am looking at this paper; that this head

which I move is not asleep, that it is deliberately and

of set purpose that I extend my hand and perceive it,

what happens in sleep does not appear so clear nor

so distinct as does all this. But in thinking over this I

remind myself that on many occasions I have in sleep

been deceived by similar illusions, and in dwelling

carefully on this reflection I see so manifestly that

there are no certain indications by which we may

clearly distinguish wakefullness from sleep that I am

lost in astonishment. And my astonishment is such

that it is almost capable of persuading me that I now

dream."(Descartes: First Meditation)

 

I would say that this position is very easy to

understand and that its genesis is easily traced. It is

predicated on a certain type of personality which is

dominated by inwardness, introspection and a

powerful imagination for whom the world behind the

knitted brow is as real as that which is palpable. I

believe that I would not be going out on a limb if I

suggested that this is a type not unheard of in the

annals of yoga.

 

As well as a natural propensity for introversion they

would add that there is a rational basis for the

assimilation of all states to one another. What is it,

they would ask, we are immediately acquainted with?

Our perceptions? And what are perceptions but the

mental analogue of the busy neuronal traffic which is

by definition intracerebral. From that base we make

our inferences to the existence of an external world.

The proof that such is the case is arises from our often

being deluded about what is really out there.

That in short is the basis for the melding together of

all sorts of consciousness into the one

undifferentiated consciousness which is the mayvic.

This single consciousness is pure consciousness with

the limiting adjunct of the mind. There in a nutshell,

by which they are bounded, is one version of

Advaita. Very well, but is it Advaitic? If not, why

not?

 

Best Wishes,

Michael.

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advaitin, ombhurbhuva <ombhurbhuva wrote:

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>

 

> undifferentiated consciousness which is the mayvic.

> This single consciousness is pure consciousness with

> the limiting adjunct of the mind. There in a nutshell,

> by which they are bounded, is one version of

> Advaita. Very well, but is it Advaitic? If not, why

> not?

>

> Best Wishes,

> Michael.

>

Namaste Michael A Chara,

 

How can it be Advaitic if there is an adjunct, so compromising or

qualifying the pure Consciousness. Therefore it cannot be the ultimate

consciousness for then there would be no adjuncts at all.........Tony.

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