Guest guest Posted October 27, 2006 Report Share Posted October 27, 2006 I've read that mantras are ineffective or even dangerous if not passed directly from guru to disciple, and that Sri Vidya is an initiatory tradition. Going through the Shakti Sadhana links, however, I found Guru Amritananda Natha's Vi1.org site, which includes an audio file of Guruji reciting Sri Vidya mantras. Isn't that giving away secrets? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 27, 2006 Report Share Posted October 27, 2006 How can some thing be ineffective and dangerous at the same time? Seems contradictory. Sumanta , "willendorfer" <willendorfer wrote: > > I've read that mantras are ineffective or even dangerous if not passed directly from guru to > disciple, and that Sri Vidya is an initiatory tradition. Going through the Shakti Sadhana links, > however, I found Guru Amritananda Natha's Vi1.org site, which includes an audio file of > Guruji reciting Sri Vidya mantras. Isn't that giving away secrets? > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 27, 2006 Report Share Posted October 27, 2006 Of all the websites on the net, one ended up there somehow (through this group/SS Home page/DB/Nora) - instead of dismissing the website as ramblings of a person, the person somehow downloaded and listened to the mantras. All these "Coincidences" occur because....? Even if mantras are written on a wall as in graffiti, only those who need to see them for what it is will know it. Or else it is just another pop song/graffiti. In other words, only those who need to listen to the mantras will hear it. I will tell you a funny little story. One person downloaded mantras from Guruji's site. All that person could hear was a bang in the BG and a dog yelping (apparently the dog was hit by something) for the whole length of the mp3. That was actually the background noise which is only faintly heard normally in the mp3. Needless to say, the person downloaded it out of curiosity but was not in need of the mantras. So it is not as much of giving away a secret. :-) There are certain restrictions in place, even in public domain!! ;-) when not heeding those warnings..........ppl are on their own. , "willendorfer" <willendorfer wrote: > > I've read that mantras are ineffective or even dangerous if not passed directly from guru to > disciple, and that Sri Vidya is an initiatory tradition. Going through the Shakti Sadhana links, > however, I found Guru Amritananda Natha's Vi1.org site, which includes an audio file of > Guruji reciting Sri Vidya mantras. Isn't that giving away secrets? > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 27, 2006 Report Share Posted October 27, 2006 In general, mantras given for niskkrama or shanti purposes have no negative side as they are merely pacifying. - "sumantkb" <sumantkb > <> Thursday, October 26, 2006 11:30 PM Re: mantras > How can some thing be ineffective and dangerous at the same time? > Seems contradictory. > > Sumanta > > , "willendorfer" > <willendorfer wrote: >> >> I've read that mantras are ineffective or even dangerous if not > passed directly from guru to >> disciple, and that Sri Vidya is an initiatory tradition. Going > through the Shakti Sadhana links, >> however, I found Guru Amritananda Natha's Vi1.org site, which > includes an audio file of >> Guruji reciting Sri Vidya mantras. Isn't that giving away secrets? >> > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 27, 2006 Report Share Posted October 27, 2006 Srividya mantras are ineffective unless given with intention by a qualified Guru. That's what activates them. Without this "spark of life" to connect them to a living lineage, they are merely nice calming syllables, as llundrub said. (After all, it has been demonstrated that mantric meditation techniques can work just fine even when the "mantra" is constructed from random syllables taken from a telephone directory!) To go beyond the use of japa as a "stress reduction technique," more is needed. Sure, there are inherently dangerous mantras -- the so- called "neutron bombs" that can harm any foolhardy soul who tries to handle them without the proper instruction or background. But the Vi1 site contains none of these. So Amrita is not giving any "secrets" away -- the curious have always been able to discover these mantras if they are interested and resourceful enough. True to his mission, Amrita is simply "making information available" -- in the assured belief that "those who have ears will hear," and the rest do not matter: Scholars and anthropologists who wish to analyze and theorize will write their papers, collect their laurels, and move on; occult dabblers who wish to play with them will grow bored in time, like any child. And of course, the vast majority of people who happen to stumble across these mantras while randomly surfing through cyberspace will not even pause to wonder, seeing only another page of white-noise static in the information overload of the Web. , "willendorfer" <willendorfer wrote: > > I've read that mantras are ineffective or even dangerous if not passed directly from guru to > disciple, and that Sri Vidya is an initiatory tradition. Going through the Shakti Sadhana links, > however, I found Guru Amritananda Natha's Vi1.org site, which includes an audio file of > Guruji reciting Sri Vidya mantras. Isn't that giving away secrets? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 27, 2006 Report Share Posted October 27, 2006 If one happens to attend a Sri Vidya Homam or Mahayaga krama, one can get to hear all the Sri Vidya mantras which includes many mantras normally not given out. Hearing them on such occasions does a lot of good; but the person hearing does not get initiated. He may remember some of the mantras and also recite them but it will be of no avail. Hence Guruji Amrita has not given out any secrets. Listening to him chant those super set mantras will do a lot good but one cannot memorise them and start reciting just like that. Also these mantras have a lot of esoteric meanings which one has to learn at the feet of an accomplished master. Mantras and their import together become potent. This subject, especially Sri Vidya, is not a matter for arguments; not to be questioned like whether there is reincarnation, whether mantras have power, whether universe exists within one's mind or without and so on. No fancy intellectualism and dialectics, though in mantra sastra we do employ dialectics and number theory to the extreme. I have written what came to my little mind. JR Devi Bhakta <devi_bhakta > wrote: Srividya mantras are ineffective unless given with intention by a qualified Guru. That's what activates them. Without this "spark of life" to connect them to a living lineage, they are merely nice calming syllables, as llundrub said. (After all, it has been demonstrated that mantric meditation techniques can work just fine even when the "mantra" is constructed from random syllables taken from a telephone directory!) To go beyond the use of japa as a "stress reduction technique," more is needed. Sure, there are inherently dangerous mantras -- the so- called "neutron bombs" that can harm any foolhardy soul who tries to handle them without the proper instruction or background. But the Vi1 site contains none of these. So Amrita is not giving any "secrets" away -- the curious have always been able to discover these mantras if they are interested and resourceful enough. True to his mission, Amrita is simply "making information available" -- in the assured belief that "those who have ears will hear," and the rest do not matter: Scholars and anthropologists who wish to analyze and theorize will write their papers, collect their laurels, and move on; occult dabblers who wish to play with them will grow bored in time, like any child. And of course, the vast majority of people who happen to stumble across these mantras while randomly surfing through cyberspace will not even pause to wonder, seeing only another page of white-noise static in the information overload of the Web. , "willendorfer" <willendorfer wrote: > > I've read that mantras are ineffective or even dangerous if not passed directly from guru to > disciple, and that Sri Vidya is an initiatory tradition. Going through the Shakti Sadhana links, > however, I found Guru Amritananda Natha's Vi1.org site, which includes an audio file of > Guruji reciting Sri Vidya mantras. Isn't that giving away secrets? Get your email and more, right on the new .com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 27, 2006 Report Share Posted October 27, 2006 What is a man's meat is another man's poison. To see a ca,ndaala brings bad luck, to touch him brings death. If a clean person eats a ca,ndaala's food, he shall die, but the ca,ndaala is healthy. Lord Buddha died when he ate pork, but others eat meat every day and live 80 years. Same way, shaakta mantras may benefit impure people, but to a Vaai,snava they bring only misfortune. This is what all my experience has shown. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 27, 2006 Report Share Posted October 27, 2006 Namaste, Almost every mantra can be found in books, incl Srividya. The true secret (rahasya) is not the wording of a mantra, but it's shakti. Which can be transmitted only directly. A , "willendorfer" <willendorfer wrote: > > I've read that mantras are ineffective or even dangerous if not passed directly from guru to > disciple, and that Sri Vidya is an initiatory tradition. Going through the Shakti Sadhana links, > however, I found Guru Amritananda Natha's Vi1.org site, which includes an audio file of > Guruji reciting Sri Vidya mantras. Isn't that giving away secrets? > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 28, 2006 Report Share Posted October 28, 2006 "Seeds Divine lie under words and sings. A true master alone installs life to it" Secrets of Sree Cakra. Sri vidya Kulaagraja. Swami Nadananda Tirtha , "Devi Bhakta" <devi_bhakta wrote: > > Srividya mantras are ineffective unless given with intention by a > qualified Guru. That's what activates them. > > Without this "spark of life" to connect them to a living lineage, > they are merely nice calming syllables, as llundrub said. (After > all, it has been demonstrated that mantric meditation techniques can > work just fine even when the "mantra" is constructed from random > syllables taken from a telephone directory!) To go beyond the use of > japa as a "stress reduction technique," more is needed. > > Sure, there are inherently dangerous mantras -- the so- > called "neutron bombs" that can harm any foolhardy soul who tries to > handle them without the proper instruction or background. But the > Vi1 site contains none of these. > > So Amrita is not giving any "secrets" away -- the curious have > always been able to discover these mantras if they are interested > and resourceful enough. True to his mission, Amrita is > simply "making information available" -- in the assured belief > that "those who have ears will hear," and the rest do not matter: > Scholars and anthropologists who wish to analyze and theorize will > write their papers, collect their laurels, and move on; occult > dabblers who wish to play with them will grow bored in time, like > any child. And of course, the vast majority of people who happen to > stumble across these mantras while randomly surfing through > cyberspace will not even pause to wonder, seeing only another page > of white-noise static in the information overload of the Web. > > , "willendorfer" > <willendorfer@> wrote: > > > > I've read that mantras are ineffective or even dangerous if not > passed directly from guru to > > disciple, and that Sri Vidya is an initiatory tradition. Going > through the Shakti Sadhana links, > > however, I found Guru Amritananda Natha's Vi1.org site, which > includes an audio file of > > Guruji reciting Sri Vidya mantras. Isn't that giving away secrets? > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 28, 2006 Report Share Posted October 28, 2006 recitation is first of all music.If a person with divine musical gift chants mantras,one feels elevated even without understanding the meaning.It is only the sadhaka who seeks.that uses the mantra for sadhna.Mantra is not mere words.It is my humble opinion that the guruji's recitng of sri vidya mantra and placing it in a web site is right and benefits many.Sri vidya, ofcourse, goes much beyond words and can perhaps be learnt only by those who are blessed and consequently meet the right teacher and do prolonged sadhana after initiation.Thaks for the message Arjuna Taranandanatha <bhagatirtha (AT) mail (DOT) ru> wrote: Namaste, Almost every mantra can be found in books, incl Srividya. The true secret (rahasya) is not the wording of a mantra, but it's shakti. Which can be transmitted only directly. A , "willendorfer" <willendorfer wrote: > > I've read that mantras are ineffective or even dangerous if not passed directly from guru to > disciple, and that Sri Vidya is an initiatory tradition. Going through the Shakti Sadhana links, > however, I found Guru Amritananda Natha's Vi1.org site, which includes an audio file of > Guruji reciting Sri Vidya mantras. Isn't that giving away secrets? > Find out what India is talking about on - Answers India Send FREE SMS to your friend's mobile from Messenger Version 8. Get it NOW Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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