Guest guest Posted October 29, 2006 Report Share Posted October 29, 2006 Dear all, I am giving below a message by Chandrasekhar for our reference and discussion. I have already posted an article on the subject by Prof PS Sastri. Dear Pradeep, I respect Chandra Hari for the enormous work he has done in connection with Ayanamsha. His views do have a point there. The problem is more to do with why to consider that this measure must relate to Sun's movement through 360 degrees and not 360 ahoratras. We must remember that umpteen times the sages have enjoined upon us to calculate the position of planets by siddhanta and then recheck that with drik ganita (Visual checking mathematical methods). I think this is so as they were aware of the precession of equinox and the reason for it and knew that the right positions from earth have to be considered for the science that they developed for predictions. That is why they defined different years for different purposes. That again is why the predictive science is called Hora shastra and sages explain that the name comes from dropping the first and the last letter of the word "Ahoratra", indicating the time measure for this science be based on ahoratra which is what is called the Saavana day. There is a difference between the length of Saavana day and that of return of Sun to the same degree and that is why there is a difference between the calculations of Vimshottari dashas, which gets greater as the age of the jataka increases. While talking of the Divya days the Linga Purana specifically talks about Divya Ahoratra (Sunrise to Sunrise) : "etadivyamahoraatramitilinge tu paThyate". I am sure that those who have read and used the older methods of calculating and casting horoscopes know that the time of birth is always mentioned as so many Ghatis. Palas etc. after Sunrise. I am sure this is a good enough indication that Saavana day is to be used for calculations of Vimshottari or any other dasha for the purposes of predictions, even for those who do not want to rely on Sage Narada. I am sure this will make my opinion in the matter clear. Anyway, an even better method would be to apply both or any other variation of calculations and to apply the principles of Vimshottari dasha interpretations to the real life charts and find out for oneself. Chandrashekhar. vijayadas_pradeep wrote: > > Dear Chandrashekhar ji > > Thanks a lot for the detailed explanation. > As you say you have Narada Purana to support your views. > Regarding your views on day of GOD's shri Chandrahari had given a > clarification to me.Kindly see it. > > ''Radius vector of the planet is used in deriving the longitudes on a > circle of 360 degree in arc duration or 21600 minutes which is equal > to the number of breaths in a day. All time notions are founded on the > rotation of the earth through 21600 minutes of arc or prana. Obviously > a year must mean the revolution of sun through 21600 arcs and then > only a geometric orbit is completed. > > Look at the Zodiac. 21600 minutes of arc are 21600 prana foR Surya > (Kalapurushan).360x21600' = 1296000' is the God's year as per puranas. > (360 years)''. > > I am open to all views before arriving at Truth.Your view on zero or > beginning point of Zodiac may also be appreciated. > > Respect > Pradeep > > <%40> - Show quoted text - > <%40>, Chandrashekhar > <chandrashekhar46 wrote: > > > > Dear Pradeep, > > > > There are primarily 9 types of years that were given by the hindu > > astronomers that is the /Brahma, Daiva, Maanusha, Pitrya, Saur, > Saavana, > > Chaandra, Nakshtra and Guru years are the 9 types/ and of these 5 > are in > > use even to this day. The five in use are Saur, Saavana, Naakshatra, > > Chaandra and the Guru years. While some years are related to annual > > return of a graha to a certain fixed positions, others are related to > > the time taken by them to travel certain distance based on degrees or > > return to horizon being treated as a day and 12 months of 30 such days > > each making a year. Saur year is dependent on ingress of Sun in a sign, > > Saavana relates to 12 months of 30 days, day length being measured from > > sunrise to sunrise, Naakshatra relates to 12 months each measuring the > > time taking for Moon to transit Ashwini to Ashwini. Or the time > taken by > > Chandra to traverse all 27 nakshatras 12 times. Chaandra relates to 12 > > months of 30 tithis each and Guru relates to the 60 year cycle of Guru > > consisting of 60 years or Samvatsaras, so the annual return of Guru is > > used for the Samvatsara calculation. I have given only the general > > definition of the years/ months here. > > > > Saur year is used to rituals related to Eclipse, prediction and progeny > > is based on Saavana, Rains and cloud seeding is calculated through > > naakshatra year, Travels marriages, shaving of hair, Vaastu, keeping of > > fast etc. are decided using the Chaandra year calculations and Prabhava > > etc. samvatsara are based on the Guru Year. So says the Sage Narada in > > his Narada Samhita. > > > > There is a lot of disagreement between the scholars as to which year is > > to be used in Vimshottari dasha calculations. I prefer to go by what > > Narada said. I have yet to see a classic define the span of year other > > than what is given by Narada, but those more knowledgeable than me > could > > hold their own views on the subject. I prefer to rely on Pramana and > > tarka and prefer to use Saavana year for calculations of Vimshottari > and > > all other Dashas. Those interested could also try to equate the human > > year to the year of gods and find out whether it fits the definition of > > Saur year or the Saavana year. > > > > Chandrashekhar. > > > > > > > > vijayadas_pradeep wrote: > > > > > > Dear Chandrashekahar ji > > > > > > I think you might have had discussed the astronomical sides of this > > > aspect with other astrologers.Could you briefly give the Sarasnsh of > > > of such discussions(both sides) so that i can get an overview. > > > Siderial positions are needed so that we can always peg planetary > > > positions to constant stellar frames -Ashwinyadi etc. > > > But year definitions are different are for different purpose.If you > > > can explain the Month/year definition and their correspondence to > > > dasha calculations - supporting your version may be helpful(say w.r > > > to progression of sun,samkramana etc).As you know this is just a > > > request to understand the base before arriving at conclusions.I am > > > also in touch with shri Chandrahari and getting his views. > > > > > > Respect > > > Pradeep > > > <%40> > <%40> > > > <%40>, Chandrashekhar > > > <chandrashekhar46@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear David, > > > > > > > > The pleasure is entirely mine. > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar. > > > > > > > > David Andrews wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear Shri Chandrasekhar ji, > > > > > Thank you for being so kind as to post the shlokas from Narada > > > Samhita > > > > > with regard to the use of the Savana years for predictions. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > David > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar <chandrashekhar46@ > > > > > <chandrashekhar46%40.co.uk>> wrote: > > > > > Dear David, > > > > > > > > > > Narada Purana is on the net, I presume but some of the shlokas > > > have > > > > > mistakes there in. Narada Samhita is not on the net/ e-book form. > > > > > However I paste below the shlokas from Narada Samhita for your > > > > > reference.The text talks about 9 years that are observed by > > > Hindus and > > > > > tells that 5 are still in use and gives which is to be used > > > when. I am > > > > > pasting only about use of the Solar year and the Savana year. If > > > you > > > > > desire so, I could also send the rest of the shlokas. The first > > > line is > > > > > in Sanskrit99 fonts and next one in ULW Palladio IT fonts. I > > > have given > > > > > a rough translation below. > > > > > > > > > > �h[< iniol< kay� g&�te saErmant>, > > > > > > > > > > graha�a� nikhila� k�rya� g�hyate sauram�nata�| > > > > > > > > > > For all religious ceremonies, related to eclipse, Saur > > > month/year is > > > > > acceptable. > > > > > > > > > > ivxeivRxan< �Igɡ savnenEv g&�te.3. > > > > > > > > > > vidhervidh�na� str�garbha� s�vanenaiva g�hyate||3|| - Show quoted text - > > > > > > > > > > Savana month/year is to be accepted (used) for prediction of the > > > > > writings of Brahma (predictions) and birth (literally, foetus of > > > a woman). > > > > > > > > > > By the way there are similar shlokas in Davaigya Ranjan and > > > other texts. > > > > > Even common sense will tell that this is right as even to date > > > > > Panchangas calculate day from Sunrise to Sunrise (Savana) and the > > > > > calculation of man versus divine years is also based on one > > > month of 30 > > > > > days and one year of 12 months indicating 360 Savana days. That > > > is how > > > > > many astrologers of my time and that of my father and those > > > before that > > > > > used to calculate Dashas when they had to be calculated by hand. > > > > > > > > > > I trust you find this in order. > > > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar. > > > > > > > > > > David Andrews wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Chandrasekhar ji and Satish ji, > > > > > > Both of you state that you use Savana years to calculate the > > > dasa and > > > > > > bhukhtis. > > > > > > Chandrasekhar ji quotes Narada Samhita or Narada Purana as > > > > > > justification for the use of the Savana year. Could > > > Chandrasekhar ji > > > > > > give a brief summary of the Narada Purana where use of the > > > Savana year > > > > > > is advised as I have no way of getting a copy of this text. If > > > it is > > > > > > found in a e-book somewhere could you be kind enough to lead > > > me to the > > > > > > link please. > > > > > > Thank you. > > > > > > May I also take this opportunity to wish both of you and your > > > families > > > > > > a Happy Diwali. > > > > > > > > > > > > David > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar <chandrashekhar46@ > > > > > <chandrashekhar46%40.co.uk> > > > > > > <chandrashekhar46%40.co.uk>> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Satish, > > > > > > > > > > > > Read Narada Samhita or Narada Purana. He gives the 9 years > > > used by > > > > > > Hindus and tells how five of them are to be used and when. He > > > advises > > > > > > use of Savana year for predictions (Vidhirvidhana) and > > > Pregnancy (Stree > > > > > > garbha). > > > > > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar. > > > > > > > > > > > > SPK wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chadrashekharji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I use 360 day civil year. You mention that it was advised by > > > Narada. > > > > > > > Could you please let me know which text this is mentioned ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Satish > > > > > > > > > > > > > > P.S. Please look at the Foley chart if you have time, I am > > > curious to > > > > > > > read your analysis of the chart > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar <chandrashekhar46@ > > > > > <chandrashekhar46%40.co.uk> > > > > > > <chandrashekhar46%40.co.uk> > > > > > > > <chandrashekhar46%40.co.uk> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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