Guest guest Posted October 30, 2006 Report Share Posted October 30, 2006 Dear Shaasa, Just found this message. Thank you and happy to serve. V "Shaasa A. Ruzicka" <amritasyaputra (AT) excite (DOT) com> amritasyaputra (AT) excite (DOT) com To: vaidika1008 (AT) hotmail (DOT) com CC: deenbc (AT) hotmail (DOT) com Subject: RE: Re: Upanayana for Girls Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2006 09:43:05 -0400 (EDT) Dear Vrin, Thank you for the publishing of the comments of Kamakoti Shankaracharya re. upanayana. A call of sanity and Vedic Sanatan Dharm. It is since long a great worry of mine to see how innocent and well-meaning Hindus under the pressure of western and christian cultural propaganda start to manipulate (in best intentions) and misinterpret its Holy Vedic scriptures. Repeating the hollow phrases that are followed in words but not deeds: tolerance, peacefulness, equality of man and woman etc. No one understands what they really mean - only Veda offers their practical and spiritual explanation. May we never give in to the barbaric (un)culture of the West. With best wishes, Shaas --- On Tue 10/17, < vediculture > wrote: 1. Re: Upanayana for Girls Posted by: "deen chandora" deenbc (AT) hotmail (DOT) com Mon Oct 16, 2006 4:22 am (PDT) Namaste, Maharishi Dayanaand Sarswati founder of Moderday Hindu Renassance movment in 1860 Started Yajopavit Sanskars for all humans including Girls , womenetc. Shahid Bhagat Singh also had Yajnopavit . At Vedic temple we have conducted this ceremony many a times. Thanks Deen BChandora "Vrndavan Parker" vediculture vediculture [world-vedic] Upanayana for Girls Sun, 15 Oct 2006 22:40:04 -0000 >Upanayana for Girls >(HinduDharma: Marriage) > >Important Announcement: Hindus Under Siege - The Way Out Book >Released > > >If brahmacarya prepares boys [or young men] to live according to >dharma, what about girls? A girl has neither Upanayana nor >Brahmacaryasrama. Should not a woman's mind also be disciplined like >a man's. If you echo the criticism of reformers and say that >injustice has been done to woman by denying them the >Brahmacaryasrama and Upanayana, my answer is "No". > >Men marry after their Upanayana and student-bachelorhood. Now for >women marriage itself is Upanayana. Just as a boy dedicates himself >to his guru, a girl must dedicate herself to her husband from her >childhood until the start of their conjugal life and beyond. The >Manusmriti says: "Strinam upanayanam-sthane vivaham Manurabravit" >(Manu says that for women marriage is in place of upanayana). If you >ask for an external sign of this like sacred thread worn by the men, >we may at once point to the married woman's mangalasutra. > >I said that "Upanayana" means "taking near", taking a boy near his >guru for his brahmacaryasrama. A woman's guru is her husband. Being >joined to him in wedlock is her upanayana. > >According to the sastras, a boy's upanayana must be performed when >he is seven years old. A girl must be married at the same age. If a >boy is to be initiated into brahmacarya before his mind is disturbed >by kama, a girl is to be married before she feels the carnal urge. >She must also accept her husband as her guru. According to sastras, >the guru must be looked upon as Isvara. In the same way a child >bride must think of her husband as both guru and Isvara and dedicate >herself whole-heartedly to him. She will be able adopt such an >attitude only when she is married very young. Later she might start >to reason about things, ask questions and develop egoistic feelings. > >Laying oneself at the feet of the guru or Isvara -- in short >surrender --- is the best means of liberating oneself. This concept >of surrender is proclaimed in the carma sloka of the gita, surrender >to Isvara, guru or husband: once you surrender to an individual or >deity you no longer own any thing. Isvara will give you his grace >through the one to whom you surrender. > >According to the system devised by sages, a boy is made to surrender >to his guru at the time of his upanayana ceremony, while a girl does >the same to her husband at the time of her marriage. > >It is not that the girl is considered inferior and asked to >surrender to a man, that is her husband. The boy too is asked to >surrender as a child to the guru. It is the view of the sastras that >the age at which the girl is married and surrenders to her husband >must be the same as that at which the boy surrenders to the guru. > >Talking of the husband and the wife, the question whether the one is >superior to the other or inferior is of no consequence. Equally >unimportant is the question of rights and status. If this is >realised surrender will be seen to be of the utmost importance. We >must appreciate the fact that it is in keeping with this view that >the concept of upanayana has taken shape in the case of boy's and >marriage in the case of girls. >http://www.kamakoti.org/hindudharma/part18/chap2.htm Join Excite! - http://www.excite.com The most personalized portal on the Web! Stay in touch with old friends and meet new ones with Windows Live Spaces __._,_.___ Messages in this topic (1) Reply (via web post) | Start a new topic Messages | Links | Database | Polls | Calendar Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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