Official Ramakanta vs. IRM discussion thread

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Dear Yaduraja Prabhu, PAMHO. AGTSP!

 

 

> Even though you have refused for one year to answer my question to you, by

> explaining your position on exactly how when and where Srila Prabhupada

> authorised his replacement,

 

Yes, I refuse to speculate. Please also note that on Oct 7, 2006 I wrote

that I agree with following statement (your point b):

 

"Amongst all the orders from Srila Prabhupada to the GBC that the GBC have

so far presented on the guru issue to justify their actions, there is no

order that we (the IRM) have seen whereby Srila Prabhupada authorises the

GBC to remove him as the sole diksa guru for ISKCON."

 

 

> I shall answer your question.

 

Okay, I am waiting for the answer. So far you have not really answered it.

On October 16 you proudly announced, "I shall explain, with Srila

Prabhupada's mercy, the proper understanding of your nice quotes". So please

explain, with Srila Prabhupada's mercy (quotes from Srila Prabhupada), the

proper understanding of these quotes.

 

 

> Srila Prabhupada only says he remains within the material universe,

 

That is incorrect. He also wrote, "to come back from Goloka Vrindaban".

 

 

> not that he has to be physically present before every disciple. Even when

> he was on this planet he did not physically meet many of his disciples, so

> clearly this physical meeting is not essential to the process of diksa-

> the process that actually delivers the disciple.

 

This is fuzzy because you did not explain what you mean by "physically

present before" and "physically meet". Do you mean that their gross material

bodies must touch each other, or what?

 

 

Here is another quote from Srila Prabhupada:

 

"My Guru Maharaja used to say like that, that "Finish this business in this

life. Don't delay for the next life." He was telling also that "Don't give

me trouble again to come here to deliver you." That is the responsibility of

spiritual master. Spiritual master responsibility is to take the disciple to

Krsna, until he is able to do, to help him, to help him, to help him. That

is the verdict of the sastras. Just like Bilvamangala Thakura. His spiritual

master delivered him, taking the shape of a prostitute. So these stories are

there." (Lecture on SB 6.3.18, Feb 11, 1971)

 

So I am asking you:

 

If the spiritual master does not have to be present (incarnated) on the same

planet as his disciple to deliver his disciple, as you claim, then why did

Srila Prabhupada quote his Guru Maharaja saying that he has to come here?

 

 

ys Ramakanta dasa