Official Ramakanta vs. IRM discussion thread

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Dear Yaduraja Prabhu, PAMHO. AGTSP!

 

 

> So you obviously have no firm information on exactly when, where and how

> Srila Prabhupada authorised his replacement as ISKCON’s sole diksa guru.

 

And what (regarding your point c) do you conclude from that?

 

 

> Your position on this is not just fuzzy, but completely

> self-contradictory. You need to decide whether or not the guru must be

> physically present on the same planet as the disciple in order to deliver

> him.

 

Whether or not the guru must be physically present on the same planet is not

dependent on what I decide. So your statement is stupid. Anyway, here is

again my position:

 

Srila Prabhupada cannot deliver disciples on this planet without being

present (incarnated) on this planet (not necessarily during the whole

lifetime of his disciples).

 

On June 6, 2006 you wrote, "in logic later statements supersede earlier

ones", and this is confirmed by Krishnakant in

www.iskconirm.com/Krishna_Kirti.htm . So in case you did not realize it, my

later statement supersedes my earlier statement.

 

Don't hesitate to ask me further, if you still find it fuzzy or

contradictory.

 

 

> Srila Prabhupada remains within this material universe, ...

 

This contradicts Srila Prabhupada's statement that he has to come back from

Goloka Vrindaban.

 

 

> ... though not necessarily in the physical presence of his disciples, in

> order to continue delivering them so they can be ‘transferred to the

> spiritual sky’.[

 

Please confirm this by quotes.

 

 

> If your challenge had any merit then obviously no-one connected to ISKCON,

> in any way shape or form, for the last three decades could have been be

> delivered, since, so far as we are aware, Srila Prabhupada has not been on

> this particular planet for that entire period.

>

> Please clarify if this is your position,

 

This is not my position. It is a conclusion drawn by your imperfect brain

because you assume that Srila Prabhupada did not authorize anyone to be a

diksa guru in ISKCON (although you don't know how this happens).

 

 

> why should I be the only person who has the decency to answer questions?

 

I appreciate your decency to answer some of my questions, though often only

after I asked them several times.

 

Now please answer my question:

 

If Srila Prabhupada does not have to be present (incarnated) on the same

planet as his disciple to deliver his disciple, as you claim, then why did

he write that he has to come back from Goloka Vrindaban to deliver those

disciples who are not delivered along with him?

 

 

> In the quote you gave could you please tell me the exact geographical

> location the word ‘here’ refers to

 

Srila Prabhupada gave an example that makes it clear what is meant by

"here".

 

 

ys Ramakanta dasa