The serpent-like cow-killers

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Those who don't protect the cows are like serpents, who will be angrily torn

apart by the bills of the vulturelike messengers of Yamaräja.

 

 

TRANSLATION

The brähmaëas, the cows and the defenseless creatures are My own body. Those

whose faculty of judgment has been impaired by their own sin look upon these

as distinct from Me. They are just like furious serpents, and they are

angrily torn apart by the bills of the vulturelike messengers of Yamaräja,

the superintendent of sinful persons.

 

PURPORT

The defenseless creatures, according to Brahma-saàhitä, are the cows,

brähmaëas, women, children and old men. Of these five, the brähmaëas and

cows are especially mentioned in this verse because the Lord is always

anxious about the benefit of the brähmaëas and the cows and is prayed to in

this way. The Lord especially instructs, therefore, that no one should be

envious of these five, especially the cows and brähmaëas. In some of the

Bhägavatam readings, the word duhitèù is used instead of duhatéù. But in

either case, the meaning is the same. Duhatéù means "cow," and duhitèù can

also be used to mean "cow" because the cow is supposed to be the daughter of

the sun-god. Just as children are taken care of by the parents, women as a

class should be taken care of by the father, husband or grown-up son. Those

who are helpless must be taken care of by their respective guardians,

otherwise the guardians will be subjected to the punishment of Yamaräja, who

is appointed by the Lord to supervise the activities of sinful living

creatures. The assistants, or messengers, of Yamaräja are likened here to

vultures, and those who do not execute their respective duties in protecting

their wards are compared to serpents. Vultures deal very seriously with

serpents, and similarly the messengers will deal very seriously with

neglectful guardians.

Bhäg. 3.16.10

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Rabindranatha prabhu,

 

This is a wonderful quote. We used it often in our efforts to rid the

sannyasis of child abusers (to little effect, as Bhakti Vidya Purna

Swami, a well documented liar and abuser of defenseless children,

continues to be highly regarded in Mayapur).

 

Nevertheless, it still is a great quote.

 

One thing that would help a lot would be if you could present these

great quotes without the distorted diacriticals.

 

Here's what you can do, if you are getting these from the VedaBase. If

you are talking about "Brahma Samhita" for example, when you use "copy"

you will get "Brahma-saàhitä" when you paste it into an e-mail.

 

But, if you use "copy without diacriticals" you will get "Brahma

samhita." Of course, this is not what you would want for printing a

book, where you can use fonts with diacriticals -- but it makes it much

easier for others to read when you are e-mailing quotes to a conference,

such as this one.

 

Thanks again for sharing this with us.

 

your servant,

 

Hare Krsna dasi

 

Rabindranatha (das) ACBSP (Los Angeles, CA - USA) wrote:

 

>Those who don't protect the cows are like serpents, who will be angrily torn

>apart by the bills of the vulturelike messengers of Yamaräja.

>

>

>TRANSLATION

>The brähmaëas, the cows and the defenseless creatures are My own body. Those

>whose faculty of judgment has been impaired by their own sin look upon these

>as distinct from Me. They are just like furious serpents, and they are

>angrily torn apart by the bills of the vulturelike messengers of Yamaräja,

>the superintendent of sinful persons.

>

>PURPORT

>The defenseless creatures, according to Brahma-saàhitä, are the cows,

>brähmaëas, women, children and old men. Of these five, the brähmaëas and

>cows are especially mentioned in this verse because the Lord is always

>anxious about the benefit of the brähmaëas and the cows and is prayed to in

>this way. The Lord especially instructs, therefore, that no one should be

>envious of these five, especially the cows and brähmaëas. In some of the

>Bhägavatam readings, the word duhitèù is used instead of duhatéù. But in

>either case, the meaning is the same. Duhatéù means "cow," and duhitèù can

>also be used to mean "cow" because the cow is supposed to be the daughter of

>the sun-god. Just as children are taken care of by the parents, women as a

>class should be taken care of by the father, husband or grown-up son. Those

>who are helpless must be taken care of by their respective guardians,

>otherwise the guardians will be subjected to the punishment of Yamaräja, who

>is appointed by the Lord to supervise the activities of sinful living

>creatures. The assistants, or messengers, of Yamaräja are likened here to

>vultures, and those who do not execute their respective duties in protecting

>their wards are compared to serpents. Vultures deal very seriously with

>serpents, and similarly the messengers will deal very seriously with

>neglectful guardians.

>Bhäg. 3.16.10

>

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In a message dated 11/12/2006 12:30:45 P.M. Pacific Standard Time,

Rabindranatha.ACBSP (AT) pamho (DOT) net writes:

 

those who do not execute their respective duties in protecting

their wards are compared to serpents. Vultures deal very seriously with

serpents, and similarly the messengers will deal very seriously with

neglectful guardians.

 

 

 

Where were you when children (human) our children were being brutalized and

treated like sub-cows in our "holy" schools? How will the servants of

Yamaraja deal with those of us who "just heard the rumor" of these things. In

the

Mahabharata it says we will receive 1/4 of this karma. He who was there and

did nothing to stop it will receive half of the sinful reaction. He who

committed the abuse will receive only 1/4, for as Jesus says, "forgive them

father, because they know not what they do".

 

Some of us turn our heads away and obsess about what others are doing to go

to hell.

What are we doing? What are we not doing? Who have we protected. Who have

we led to the slaughter. How much have you inquired. How many of our

children have you asked with an open heart, Please tell me of your experience,

I

would like to know? How have we heard, that we demand to be heard?

 

If we are going to be vedic, then does it not make allowance warrior class,

sudras to eat meat? I am not in any way advocating the eating of meat, but

it seems like this incessant harping on the ill fate of those who do not do as

 

we say is exactly the same hypocrisy the christians preach. The same thing

we rejected. The apple does not fall far from the tree. Those of us who

were brought up in abusive situations continue that in adult hood. This is

giving into the modes of material nature. Why are you so worried about the

hell

cow abusers will experience. Why not worry about the hell we will

experience for our sins. Will Krishna not care that we have neglected our

human

wards, because we have taken in a few four legged beasts of burden? Why not

spend

your energy repairing the damage done to our children, our fallen demigods

who have requested that they take birth in the family of devotees. Poor

things. Why ask them to forgive when we don't even fully acknowledge what it

is

they should forgive? When we have opened, and cleansed our hearts, perhaps

the hearts of the meat eaters can accept our concern for their souls and that

of the cow.

obeisances, ekaBuddhi

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Ekabuddhi prabhu,

 

I can understand your frustration. But I think you may be creating a

false dichotomy here. I have worked for cow protection, I have worked

for the protection of our women devotees, and I have worked for the

protection of children.

 

In my experience, any leader who abuses one of these defenseless groups,

is almost certain to abuse one or more of the other groups. In fact,

sometimes it is the case that we can't get rid of them for -- say cow

abuse -- but they also abuse children, so ultimately that's a key to

getting rid of them.

 

The true brahman is characterized by being honest, straightforward and

humble. But abusive leaders (tragically, often garbed in saffron) are

devious, manipulative and arrogant. Generally, they are indescriminate

in their arrogance and will abuse all defenseless entities as it suits

their search for power.

 

One value of cow protection is that it does set a standard and a

baseline that even the cow you should protect and see to her comforts

and welfare -- and all other defenseless groups, such as women and

children should be similarly well treated. In one instance, a sannyasi

who presided over a temple where there was extensive child abuse, and

also abuse of women -- was found to be actually raiding the funds which

were specifically collected for the protection of cows -- while the poor

cows, being bred only for their milk, were abominably neglected and

forced to live in such crowded conditions that most could not even lie

down to sleep. He even abused the brahmanas, not considering the lowly

brahmacaris to be in that category, he forced them to live in abominable

conditions.

 

Certainly, he gave strong lip service to cow protection, because that

was a good way of obtaining donations -- but in practical fact, he was

stealing the money from the cows, and they were suffering greatly

because of his lying arrogance.

 

Finally, he was gotten rid of, possibly for other financial

discrepencies -- but those other reasons were discovered partly because

he had alarmed so many different groups by his arrogant treatment of

those under his care. And there are several similar examples that come

to mind -- both in India and in the West. I can't think of one single

person known for child abuse who was also known for providing good care

of the cows and bulls. I think it's such a contradiction that cannot exist.

 

So, don't think that anyone is proposing cow protection *instead of*

child protection or protection of women or brahmacaris. Experience has

shown that anyone who is cruel to one group, is likely be cruel to

others as well. But a genuine kind and caring attitude to one group

actually makes a person more kind and caring to the other groups as well.

 

True cow protection will be a benefit to our whole society.

 

your servant,

 

Hare Krsna dasi

 

Ekabuddh (AT) aol (DOT) com wrote:

 

>

>In a message dated 11/12/2006 12:30:45 P.M. Pacific Standard Time,

>Rabindranatha.ACBSP (AT) pamho (DOT) net writes:

>

>those who do not execute their respective duties in protecting

>their wards are compared to serpents. Vultures deal very seriously with

>serpents, and similarly the messengers will deal very seriously with

>neglectful guardians.

>

>

>

>Where were you when children (human) our children were being brutalized and

>treated like sub-cows in our "holy" schools? How will the servants of

>Yamaraja deal with those of us who "just heard the rumor" of these things.

In

>the

>Mahabharata it says we will receive 1/4 of this karma. ...

>

 

>Why are you so worried about the

>hell

>cow abusers will experience. Why not worry about the hell we will

>experience for our sins. Will Krishna not care that we have neglected our

>human

>wards, because we have taken in a few four legged beasts of burden?

>

>

>

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Thank you again npetroff....for thoughtfully replying to my posting.

I am definitely hypersensitive to any single group condemning any other

group to hell at this moment in history. I believe the beginning of 10,000

golden years can be achieved without world war III. But only if each of us

individually put aside the dusty teachings of an eye for an eye. If any group

or

individual instead of saying "oh they are so wrong, we are so right", looks

for the value in the person not like them, then we can all learn peacefully to

 

improve ourselves and the world around us.

 

Whether it is cow protection, saying prayers, clothing, or what name we call

God that is being discussed, most people want just one thing - to love and

be loved in return. Many meateaters understand this, some vegetarians seem to

 

forget and vice versa. So why not quote verses about how the lord is in

everyones heart? Unless there are many many new people on this website, I'm

pretty sure most are aware of all the verses on hell and damnation. Can't we

try something new? before the world ends.

eka