Guest guest Posted November 11, 2006 Report Share Posted November 11, 2006 Question from a devotee: Since I became a follower of a particular Guru, my problems have gotten a lot worse. And I mean a LOT worse. The more I asked my guru for the more my problems got worse. I would like to know if is it right in believing in my guru or is it wrong? I have been having a feeling that it is best to pray to the true god's/goddesses rather then praying to my Guru. Literally everything went from bad to worse when I kept praying to my Guru. Please guide me. Swamiji's response: Praying to your Guru does not mean that you will not receive the fruit of your karma. It means that you will remain steadfast in your devotion no matter what fruit your past karma bears, and you will live life in the present so that the future will only bring good fruits. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 12, 2006 Report Share Posted November 12, 2006 Nanda, I am new here and just a novice in these matters, but I found this individual's question to be deeply disturbing. Is it possible that the guru she has chosen carries much karma him/herself? Is it not very important to choose one's guru with great care. If our true goal is liberation (moksha), should we not choose one who is truly liberated? Thank you and sorry for the intrusion. Jai Ma! Shankari Kali Nanda <chandimaakijai > wrote: Question from a devotee: Since I became a follower of a particular Guru, my problems have gotten a lot worse. And I mean a LOT worse. The more I asked my guru for the more my problems got worse. I would like to know if is it right in believing in my guru or is it wrong? I have been having a feeling that it is best to pray to the true god's/goddesses rather then praying to my Guru. Literally everything went from bad to worse when I kept praying to my Guru. Please guide me. Swamiji's response: Praying to your Guru does not mean that you will not receive the fruit of your karma. It means that you will remain steadfast in your devotion no matter what fruit your past karma bears, and you will live life in the present so that the future will only bring good fruits. Cheap Talk? Check out Messenger's low PC-to-Phone call rates. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 13, 2006 Report Share Posted November 13, 2006 Namaste Shankari Kali, I completely agree with your questions. Just as the Guru observes a potential disciple and tests him over a period of time before accepting one, the reverse is equally important. During this observation process, the devotee sees himself undergo a transformation in his thought process, and can attribute those changes to the sadhana/seva given by the Guru. This will in turn build more faith in the Guru. Just because a devotee has a Guru does not mean that he will not face the fruits of his own karma. It just means that he has the benefit of being close to a wise soul that can give him advice of how to mitigate the karma. The Guru would suggest the sadhana he needs to perform, and also be an example to show how he himself accepts adverse circumstances. Once a sincere devotee has found a true Guru, then the devotee will need to honor this committed partnership , and not be swayed by the good or bad fortunes encountered or worse - attribute them as the doings of his Guru. My two cents ... You asked these questions at the appropriate time. We are beginning discussions on the Guru Gita starting this evening at 6.30 PM PST. You and everyone are cordially invited to tune into the broadcasts http://www.shreemaa.org/broadcasts <http://www.shreemaa.org/broadcasts> and ask questions by emailing/ IM ing Mandirclass <Mandirclass > JAI GURU Nanda , Shankari Kali <shankari_kali wrote: > > Nanda, > > I am new here and just a novice in these matters, but I found this individual's question to be deeply disturbing. Is it possible that the guru she has chosen carries much karma him/herself? Is it not very important to choose one's guru with great care. If our true goal is liberation (moksha), should we not choose one who is truly liberated? > > Thank you and sorry for the intrusion. > > Jai Ma! > Shankari Kali > > Nanda chandimaakijai wrote: > Question from a devotee: > Since I became a follower of a particular Guru, my problems have gotten a lot worse. And I mean a LOT worse. The more I asked my guru for the more my problems got worse. I would like to know if is it right in believing in my guru or is it wrong? I have been having a feeling that it is best to pray to the true god's/goddesses rather then praying to my Guru. Literally everything went from bad to worse when I kept praying to my Guru. Please guide me. > > Swamiji's response: > Praying to your Guru does not mean that you will not receive the fruit of your karma. It means that you will remain steadfast in your devotion no matter what fruit your past karma bears, and you will live life in the present so that the future will only bring good fruits. > Cheap Talk? Check out Messenger's low PC-to-Phone call rates. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 13, 2006 Report Share Posted November 13, 2006 Namaste Nanda: Thank you for your reply. It was helpful. I think what you are saying is that life is going to throw you a bowl of bananas whether you have a guru or not. You should not blame the bowl of bananas on the guru. I guess we shouldn't blame life's ebb and flow on anyone. That makes sense to me. Blessings, Shankari Kali Nanda <chandimaakijai > wrote: Namaste Shankari Kali, I completely agree with your questions. Just as the Guru observes a potential disciple and tests him over a period of time before accepting one, the reverse is equally important. During this observation process, the devotee sees himself undergo a transformation in his thought process, and can attribute those changes to the sadhana/seva given by the Guru. This will in turn build more faith in the Guru. Just because a devotee has a Guru does not mean that he will not face the fruits of his own karma. It just means that he has the benefit of being close to a wise soul that can give him advice of how to mitigate the karma. The Guru would suggest the sadhana he needs to perform, and also be an example to show how he himself accepts adverse circumstances. Once a sincere devotee has found a true Guru, then the devotee will need to honor this committed partnership , and not be swayed by the good or bad fortunes encountered or worse - attribute them as the doings of his Guru. My two cents ... You asked these questions at the appropriate time. We are beginning discussions on the Guru Gita starting this evening at 6.30 PM PST. You and everyone are cordially invited to tune into the broadcasts http://www.shreemaa.org/broadcasts and ask questions by emailing/ IM ing Mandirclass JAI GURU Nanda , Shankari Kali <shankari_kali wrote: > > Nanda, > > I am new here and just a novice in these matters, but I found this individual's question to be deeply disturbing. Is it possible that the guru she has chosen carries much karma him/herself? Is it not very important to choose one's guru with great care. If our true goal is liberation (moksha), should we not choose one who is truly liberated? > > Thank you and sorry for the intrusion. > > Jai Ma! > Shankari Kali > > Nanda chandimaakijai wrote: > Question from a devotee: > Since I became a follower of a particular Guru, my problems have gotten a lot worse. And I mean a LOT worse. The more I asked my guru for the more my problems got worse. I would like to know if is it right in believing in my guru or is it wrong? I have been having a feeling that it is best to pray to the true god's/goddesses rather then praying to my Guru. Literally everything went from bad to worse when I kept praying to my Guru. Please guide me. > > Swamiji's response: > Praying to your Guru does not mean that you will not receive the fruit of your karma. It means that you will remain steadfast in your devotion no matter what fruit your past karma bears, and you will live life in the present so that the future will only bring good fruits. > > > > > > > > Cheap Talk? Check out Messenger's low PC-to-Phone call rates. > Sponsored Link Degrees online in as fast as 1 Yr - MBA, Bachelor's, Master's, Associate - Click now to apply Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 14, 2006 Report Share Posted November 14, 2006 you should, if you can determine that, or that is a choice you can make in your circumstance. here's the thing, though: you are the overwhelming force in your own path to god, not anyone else. for example, swamiji met some gurus, but he did the sadhana. the danger is in being too literal, and that creates all sorts of troubles. the sooner we transcend form the better. then we pray for everyone and appreciate all like the goddess herself. ommmmmmmm satsang chit peace. your rational reasonable mind should be used. everyone who says they are a guru, are not necessarily even safe people to know. guru impersonation is not illegal, so we have to protect ourselves. , Shankari Kali <shankari_kali wrote: > > Nanda, > > I am new here and just a novice in these matters, but I found this individual's question to be deeply disturbing. Is it possible that the guru she has chosen carries much karma him/herself? Is it not very important to choose one's guru with great care. If our true goal is liberation (moksha), should we not choose one who is truly liberated? > > Thank you and sorry for the intrusion. > > Jai Ma! > Shankari Kali > > Nanda <chandimaakijai wrote: > Question from a devotee: > Since I became a follower of a particular Guru, my problems have gotten a lot worse. And I mean a LOT worse. The more I asked my guru for the more my problems got worse. I would like to know if is it right in believing in my guru or is it wrong? I have been having a feeling that it is best to pray to the true god's/goddesses rather then praying to my Guru. Literally everything went from bad to worse when I kept praying to my Guru. Please guide me. > > Swamiji's response: > Praying to your Guru does not mean that you will not receive the fruit of your karma. It means that you will remain steadfast in your devotion no matter what fruit your past karma bears, and you will live life in the present so that the future will only bring good fruits. > > > > > > > > Cheap Talk? Check out Messenger's low PC-to-Phone call rates. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 14, 2006 Report Share Posted November 14, 2006 I agree. The scriptures say in selecting a Guru one should examine carefully, choose wisely, then follow faithfully. The focus in these replies has been on following faithfully, since this path has true and wise Gurus. In fact, there is a wonderful allegorical story about a Guru who throws rocks at his disciples. Those who picked them up as gifts from the Guru found them to be gold nuggets. But the other side of the coin is that a teacher giving us consistently bad advice may be showing us that the teacher is not true, or at least not the true one for us. I once had a well known Guru tell me I was her disciple. But through the grace of God I was able to see that her words actions and words were consistently adharmic, and I moved on. Jai Maa. , Shankari Kali <shankari_kali wrote: > > Nanda, > > I am new here and just a novice in these matters, but I found this individual's question to be deeply disturbing. Is it possible that the guru she has chosen carries much karma him/herself? Is it not very important to choose one's guru with great care. If our true goal is liberation (moksha), should we not choose one who is truly liberated? > > Thank you and sorry for the intrusion. > > Jai Ma! > Shankari Kali > > Nanda <chandimaakijai wrote: > Question from a devotee: > Since I became a follower of a particular Guru, my problems have gotten a lot worse. And I mean a LOT worse. The more I asked my guru for the more my problems got worse. I would like to know if is it right in believing in my guru or is it wrong? I have been having a feeling that it is best to pray to the true god's/goddesses rather then praying to my Guru. Literally everything went from bad to worse when I kept praying to my Guru. Please guide me. > > Swamiji's response: > Praying to your Guru does not mean that you will not receive the fruit of your karma. It means that you will remain steadfast in your devotion no matter what fruit your past karma bears, and you will live life in the present so that the future will only bring good fruits. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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