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Question from a devotee:

Since I became a follower of a particular Guru, my problems have gotten

a lot worse. And I mean a LOT worse. The more I asked my guru for the

more my problems got worse. I would like to know if is it right in

believing in my guru or is it wrong? I have been having a feeling that

it is best to pray to the true god's/goddesses rather then praying to my

Guru. Literally everything went from bad to worse when I kept praying to

my Guru. Please guide me.

 

Swamiji's response:

Praying to your Guru does not mean that you will not receive the fruit

of your karma. It means that you will remain steadfast in your devotion

no matter what fruit your past karma bears, and you will live life in

the present so that the future will only bring good fruits.

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Nanda,

 

I am new here and just a novice in these matters, but I found this individual's question to be deeply disturbing. Is it possible that the guru she has chosen carries much karma him/herself? Is it not very important to choose one's guru with great care. If our true goal is liberation (moksha), should we not choose one who is truly liberated?

 

Thank you and sorry for the intrusion.

 

Jai Ma!

Shankari Kali

 

Nanda <chandimaakijai > wrote:

Question from a devotee:

Since I became a follower of a particular Guru, my problems have gotten a lot worse. And I mean a LOT worse. The more I asked my guru for the more my problems got worse. I would like to know if is it right in believing in my guru or is it wrong? I have been having a feeling that it is best to pray to the true god's/goddesses rather then praying to my Guru. Literally everything went from bad to worse when I kept praying to my Guru. Please guide me.

 

Swamiji's response:

Praying to your Guru does not mean that you will not receive the fruit of your karma. It means that you will remain steadfast in your devotion no matter what fruit your past karma bears, and you will live life in the present so that the future will only bring good fruits.

 

 

 

 

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Namaste Shankari Kali,

 

I completely agree with your questions. Just as the Guru observes a

potential disciple and tests him over a period of time before accepting

one, the reverse is equally important. During this observation

process, the devotee sees himself undergo a transformation in his

thought process, and can attribute those changes to the sadhana/seva

given by the Guru. This will in turn build more faith in the Guru.

 

Just because a devotee has a Guru does not mean that he will not face

the fruits of his own karma. It just means that he has the benefit of

being close to a wise soul that can give him advice of how to mitigate

the karma. The Guru would suggest the sadhana he needs to perform, and

also be an example to show how he himself accepts adverse circumstances.

 

Once a sincere devotee has found a true Guru, then the devotee will need

to honor this committed partnership , and not be swayed by the good or

bad fortunes encountered or worse - attribute them as the doings of his

Guru.

 

My two cents ...

 

You asked these questions at the appropriate time. We are beginning

discussions on the Guru Gita starting this evening at 6.30 PM PST. You

and everyone are cordially invited to tune into the broadcasts

http://www.shreemaa.org/broadcasts <http://www.shreemaa.org/broadcasts>

and ask questions by emailing/ IM ing Mandirclass

<Mandirclass >

 

JAI GURU

Nanda

 

 

 

 

 

 

, Shankari Kali <shankari_kali

wrote:

>

> Nanda,

>

> I am new here and just a novice in these matters, but I found this

individual's question to be deeply disturbing. Is it possible that the

guru she has chosen carries much karma him/herself? Is it not very

important to choose one's guru with great care. If our true goal is

liberation (moksha), should we not choose one who is truly liberated?

>

> Thank you and sorry for the intrusion.

>

> Jai Ma!

> Shankari Kali

>

> Nanda chandimaakijai wrote:

> Question from a devotee:

> Since I became a follower of a particular Guru, my problems have

gotten a lot worse. And I mean a LOT worse. The more I asked my guru for

the more my problems got worse. I would like to know if is it right in

believing in my guru or is it wrong? I have been having a feeling that

it is best to pray to the true god's/goddesses rather then praying to my

Guru. Literally everything went from bad to worse when I kept praying to

my Guru. Please guide me.

>

> Swamiji's response:

> Praying to your Guru does not mean that you will not receive the fruit

of your karma. It means that you will remain steadfast in your devotion

no matter what fruit your past karma bears, and you will live life in

the present so that the future will only bring good fruits.

> Cheap Talk? Check out Messenger's low PC-to-Phone call rates.

>

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Namaste Nanda:

 

Thank you for your reply. It was helpful. I think what you are saying is that life is going to throw you a bowl of bananas whether you have a guru or not. You should not blame the bowl of bananas on the guru. I guess we shouldn't blame life's ebb and flow on anyone. That makes sense to me.

 

Blessings,

Shankari Kali

 

Nanda <chandimaakijai > wrote:

Namaste Shankari Kali,

I completely agree with your questions. Just as the Guru observes a potential disciple and tests him over a period of time before accepting one, the reverse is equally important. During this observation process, the devotee sees himself undergo a transformation in his thought process, and can attribute those changes to the sadhana/seva given by the Guru. This will in turn build more faith in the Guru.

Just because a devotee has a Guru does not mean that he will not face the fruits of his own karma. It just means that he has the benefit of being close to a wise soul that can give him advice of how to mitigate the karma. The Guru would suggest the sadhana he needs to perform, and also be an example to show how he himself accepts adverse circumstances.

Once a sincere devotee has found a true Guru, then the devotee will need to honor this committed partnership , and not be swayed by the good or bad fortunes encountered or worse - attribute them as the doings of his Guru.

My two cents ...

You asked these questions at the appropriate time. We are beginning discussions on the Guru Gita starting this evening at 6.30 PM PST. You and everyone are cordially invited to tune into the broadcasts http://www.shreemaa.org/broadcasts and ask questions by emailing/ IM ing Mandirclass

JAI GURU

Nanda

 

, Shankari Kali <shankari_kali wrote:

>

> Nanda,

>

> I am new here and just a novice in these matters, but I found this individual's question to be deeply disturbing. Is it possible that the guru she has chosen carries much karma him/herself? Is it not very important to choose one's guru with great care. If our true goal is liberation (moksha), should we not choose one who is truly liberated?

>

> Thank you and sorry for the intrusion.

>

> Jai Ma!

> Shankari Kali

>

> Nanda chandimaakijai wrote:

> Question from a devotee:

> Since I became a follower of a particular Guru, my problems have gotten a lot worse. And I mean a LOT worse. The more I asked my guru for the more my problems got worse. I would like to know if is it right in believing in my guru or is it wrong? I have been having a feeling that it is best to pray to the true god's/goddesses rather then praying to my Guru. Literally everything went from bad to worse when I kept praying to my Guru. Please guide me.

>

> Swamiji's response:

> Praying to your Guru does not mean that you will not receive the fruit of your karma. It means that you will remain steadfast in your devotion no matter what fruit your past karma bears, and you will live life in the present so that the future will only bring good fruits.

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

> Cheap Talk? Check out Messenger's low PC-to-Phone call rates.

>

 

 

 

 

 

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you should, if you can determine that, or that is a choice you can

make in your circumstance. here's the thing, though: you are the

overwhelming force in your own path to god, not anyone else. for

example, swamiji met some gurus, but he did the sadhana.

 

the danger is in being too literal, and that creates all sorts of

troubles. the sooner we transcend form the better. then we pray for

everyone and appreciate all like the goddess herself. ommmmmmmm

satsang chit peace.

 

your rational reasonable mind should be used. everyone who says they

are a guru, are not necessarily even safe people to know. guru

impersonation is not illegal, so we have to protect ourselves.

 

, Shankari Kali <shankari_kali

wrote:

>

> Nanda,

>

> I am new here and just a novice in these matters, but I found this

individual's question to be deeply disturbing. Is it possible that the

guru she has chosen carries much karma him/herself? Is it not very

important to choose one's guru with great care. If our true goal is

liberation (moksha), should we not choose one who is truly liberated?

>

> Thank you and sorry for the intrusion.

>

> Jai Ma!

> Shankari Kali

>

> Nanda <chandimaakijai wrote:

> Question from a devotee:

> Since I became a follower of a particular Guru, my problems have

gotten a lot worse. And I mean a LOT worse. The more I asked my guru

for the more my problems got worse. I would like to know if is it

right in believing in my guru or is it wrong? I have been having a

feeling that it is best to pray to the true god's/goddesses rather

then praying to my Guru. Literally everything went from bad to worse

when I kept praying to my Guru. Please guide me.

>

> Swamiji's response:

> Praying to your Guru does not mean that you will not receive the

fruit of your karma. It means that you will remain steadfast in your

devotion no matter what fruit your past karma bears, and you will

live life in the present so that the future will only bring good fruits.

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

> Cheap Talk? Check out Messenger's low PC-to-Phone call rates.

>

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I agree. The scriptures say in selecting a Guru one should examine

carefully, choose wisely, then follow faithfully. The focus in these

replies has been on following faithfully, since this path has true

and wise Gurus. In fact, there is a wonderful allegorical story

about a Guru who throws rocks at his disciples. Those who picked

them up as gifts from the Guru found them to be gold nuggets.

 

But the other side of the coin is that a teacher giving us

consistently bad advice may be showing us that the teacher is not

true, or at least not the true one for us. I once had a well known

Guru tell me I was her disciple. But through the grace of God I was

able to see that her words actions and words were consistently

adharmic, and I moved on. Jai Maa.

 

 

 

, Shankari Kali

<shankari_kali wrote:

>

> Nanda,

>

> I am new here and just a novice in these matters, but I found this

individual's question to be deeply disturbing. Is it possible that

the guru she has chosen carries much karma him/herself? Is it not

very important to choose one's guru with great care. If our true

goal is liberation (moksha), should we not choose one who is truly

liberated?

>

> Thank you and sorry for the intrusion.

>

> Jai Ma!

> Shankari Kali

>

> Nanda <chandimaakijai wrote:

> Question from a devotee:

> Since I became a follower of a particular Guru, my problems have

gotten a lot worse. And I mean a LOT worse. The more I asked my guru

for the more my problems got worse. I would like to know if is it

right in believing in my guru or is it wrong? I have been having a

feeling that it is best to pray to the true god's/goddesses rather

then praying to my Guru. Literally everything went from bad to worse

when I kept praying to my Guru. Please guide me.

>

> Swamiji's response:

> Praying to your Guru does not mean that you will not receive the

fruit of your karma. It means that you will remain steadfast in your

devotion no matter what fruit your past karma bears, and you will

live life in the present so that the future will only bring good

fruits.

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