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Namaste'

 

I have not received responses to my question regarding guidance and I

would like to encourage seasoned devotee's and invite your advice to

help me deepen my practice. In order to not be of judgement of myself,

I really wish to deepen my practice and welcome your experience. I find

that in some instances that when I do not practice more deeply,

negative thoughts appear and mind chatter gets the best of me. It would

be a blessing to hear any feedback to help a fledgling duck in the pond

of discovery.

 

Francesca

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, "Frances" <fcannavale wrote:

>

> Namste' all!

>

> I am a newbie at this practice and at someone's suggestion I have

> begun chating with the beginner's puja book with the accompanying cd

> sung by Maa. I find this very calming, it puts my mind at ease and

> seems to provide me with more openess to God, Maa and myself. My

> altar grows each day with the faces of God and I am so enjoying it.

>

> This question may pose a challenge for some and I gladly will accept

> any words of wisdom. Since I am new to this practice and have had the

> opportunity to visit the Mandir twice, I find that I am still a

> little lost within the practice. Maybe I am use to a "schedule" or

> list of tasks to complete within this practice. So, here is my

> question, is there someone that acts as a mentor? counselor? Someone

> that can provide guidance, education and advice as to furthering my

> practice, deepen my awareness of Hinduism and apply it more

> thoroughly to my life. I have read "books" on hinduism it's culture

> and practice and I would like to simplify my practice with a very

> powerful practice.

>

>

> Francesca

>

> Jaa Maa!

>

In these pujas there is a structure and meaning that needs to

grasped over time. If you feel lost in the practice,try to connect the

sanskrit meaning with the english and then contemplate it meaning as

you chant.

Eventually the whole system of worship will get smoother and the Puja

will be more of a guided meditation.

When it comes to the details of the puja that you may not be clear

about you can ask the question here. Somebody like my self or others

doing these pujas would be happy to answer your questions. If we

can't we"ll take to a higher authority(Swami or Shree Maa).

Once we know the specifics we can guide you to sources(audio or

video classes etc.) A good overview video Called "The Meaning and

Method of Worship" with Swami Satyananda Saraswati might answer some

of your questions.(video cd

available at website)

Namaste, Surath

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Dear Frances,

 

Have you read the Gospel of Ramakrishna? We have a translation by

Shree Maa and Swamiji called "The Nectar of Eternal Bliss" which is

available here http://www.shreemaa.org/bookstore.

 

Shree Maa says that Sri Ramakrishna has been guiding her since the

early years of her life. You can read about this at

http://www.shreemaa.org/ramakrishna.

 

The Nectar of Eternal Bliss is an inspiring book which covers most of

the questions one might have about practicing and living a spiritual life.

 

There is also quite a good deal of collective practical experience in

spiritual life in the Devi Mandir community, and you will find the

members more than willing to share anything they know that would be

helpful to you.

 

 

With Love,

Kumari

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

, "Frances" <fcannavale wrote:

>

> Namaste'

>

> I have not received responses to my question regarding guidance and I

> would like to encourage seasoned devotee's and invite your advice to

> help me deepen my practice. In order to not be of judgement of myself,

> I really wish to deepen my practice and welcome your experience. I find

> that in some instances that when I do not practice more deeply,

> negative thoughts appear and mind chatter gets the best of me. It would

> be a blessing to hear any feedback to help a fledgling duck in the pond

> of discovery.

>

> Francesca

>

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hi Francesca

 

anything you do with devotion will be devotion ...

 

always go for the essence ...

 

what you said in your first paragraph says it all ... stay with that

mind at ease and openess to God ...

 

determine what the goal of all this spirtuality is, then devise or

learn sadhanas that support that goal ...

 

peace,

 

steve

 

, "Frances" <fcannavale wrote:

>

> Namste' all!

>

> I am a newbie at this practice and at someone's suggestion I have

> begun chating with the beginner's puja book with the accompanying cd

> sung by Maa. I find this very calming, it puts my mind at ease and

> seems to provide me with more openess to God, Maa and myself. My

> altar grows each day with the faces of God and I am so enjoying it.

>

> This question may pose a challenge for some and I gladly will accept

> any words of wisdom. Since I am new to this practice and have had the

> opportunity to visit the Mandir twice, I find that I am still a

> little lost within the practice. Maybe I am use to a "schedule" or

> list of tasks to complete within this practice. So, here is my

> question, is there someone that acts as a mentor? counselor? Someone

> that can provide guidance, education and advice as to furthering my

> practice, deepen my awareness of Hinduism and apply it more

> thoroughly to my life. I have read "books" on hinduism it's culture

> and practice and I would like to simplify my practice with a very

> powerful practice.

>

>

> Francesca

>

> Jaa Maa!

>

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Namaste

 

Thanks for your post. All of us at this chat seek to help each other

reach our spiritual goals.

 

We all get our inspiration and teachings from Shree Maa and Swami. We

look to their written teachings, their recorded spoken teachings on

the web site, the discussion group every Saturday and Sunday on-line,

and most importantly, we pray to them from our hearts, asking for

guidance and help to become closer to God, to realize our true nature.

 

I started by reading the beginner Shiva puja book in English. I

thought about the words, and practiced the Shiva mantra with closed

eyes, and prayed to Maa for help.

 

As I needed understanding and guidance, it came. I just tried to

perform the worship daily, at the same time each day, with as much

devotion as I could muster.

 

Whatever aspect of God you feel attracted to, worship that form with

love. Whether you pronounce the words right or know all the forms of

worship, does not matter. Just practice daily, and do your best.

 

As you have specific questions, ask, and everyone will help. And

always pray to Maa and Swami for their guidance. To anyone who

worships, Maa and Swami will offer guidance. They will answer you in

your heart, or thru the words on the page, or thru a devottee

answering a question in the chat.

 

Jai Maa, Jai Swami

 

love

 

Vishweshwar

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

-- In , "Frances" <fcannavale wrote:

>

> Namste' all!

>

> I am a newbie at this practice and at someone's suggestion I have

> begun chating with the beginner's puja book with the accompanying cd

> sung by Maa. I find this very calming, it puts my mind at ease and

> seems to provide me with more openess to God, Maa and myself. My

> altar grows each day with the faces of God and I am so enjoying it.

>

> This question may pose a challenge for some and I gladly will accept

> any words of wisdom. Since I am new to this practice and have had the

> opportunity to visit the Mandir twice, I find that I am still a

> little lost within the practice. Maybe I am use to a "schedule" or

> list of tasks to complete within this practice. So, here is my

> question, is there someone that acts as a mentor? counselor? Someone

> that can provide guidance, education and advice as to furthering my

> practice, deepen my awareness of Hinduism and apply it more

> thoroughly to my life. I have read "books" on hinduism it's culture

> and practice and I would like to simplify my practice with a very

> powerful practice.

>

>

> Francesca

>

> Jaa Maa!

>

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Dear Francesca,

 

as one of the other young ducks in the pond, I would like to share

with you what I have found to be true concerning practice. I hope it

will be of some help to you.

In the Chandi, it is said: "Having understood, one should commence and

practice it; by not performing, it will perish. Again by having

understood comes fulfillment". In my experience, this means that to

deepen our practice, we must take what we know and do what we can, and

then our practice will deepen itself.

When I first started doing puja, I found myself struggling with the

mantras and the offerings etc., and it all felt rather superficial to

me because my thoughts were more focused on the procedure than on God.

And there were many things I did not understand and many questions. So

I decided to wait until the 'right time' when I had learned more and

understood more before practicing again. But that got me nowhere,

because the 'right time' did not come; there was always more to learn

and even though I collected all the information I did not understand

the application. The practice cannot be understood without practicing.

So I decided to just do puja everyday. Soon I found that as the puja

became more familiar, my focus changed from the 'without' to the

'within' and then from within a deeper understanding came. And with it

came the promise of more, and a trust in the process developed. There

is always more.

I understand your desire for guidance from seasoned devotee's. But

there is a kind of understanding no other practitioner can give you,

because it comes from the practice itself. It does not have to be

puja. But even if it is one single mantra, it has to be used

consistently. That is what deepens your practice, at least that is

what I found. And it is my experience that other things, like

practical information or more tools to work with, are added when you

need them. You will receive guidance in one form or another. That is

the Guru's grace.

 

with love,

Henny

 

 

 

In , "Frances" <fcannavale wrote:

>

> Namaste'

>

> I have not received responses to my question regarding guidance and

I

> would like to encourage seasoned devotee's and invite your advice to

> help me deepen my practice. In order to not be of judgement of

myself,

> I really wish to deepen my practice and welcome your experience. I

find

> that in some instances that when I do not practice more deeply,

> negative thoughts appear and mind chatter gets the best of me. It

would

> be a blessing to hear any feedback to help a fledgling duck in the

pond

> of discovery.

>

> Francesca

>

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Amen! Terrific reply, Henny, and I couldn't agree more. Your words

brought to mind the old adage, "The proof of the pudding's in the

eating." Love and blessings, Karen

 

, "henny_v_i" <henny_v_i

wrote:

>

> Dear Francesca,

>

> as one of the other young ducks in the pond, I would like to share

> with you what I have found to be true concerning practice. I hope

it

> will be of some help to you.

> In the Chandi, it is said: "Having understood, one should commence

and

> practice it; by not performing, it will perish. Again by having

> understood comes fulfillment". In my experience, this means that

to

> deepen our practice, we must take what we know and do what we can,

and

> then our practice will deepen itself.

> When I first started doing puja, I found myself struggling with

the

> mantras and the offerings etc., and it all felt rather superficial

to

> me because my thoughts were more focused on the procedure than on

God.

> And there were many things I did not understand and many

questions. So

> I decided to wait until the 'right time' when I had learned more

and

> understood more before practicing again. But that got me nowhere,

> because the 'right time' did not come; there was always more to

learn

> and even though I collected all the information I did not

understand

> the application. The practice cannot be understood without

practicing.

> So I decided to just do puja everyday. Soon I found that as the

puja

> became more familiar, my focus changed from the 'without' to the

> 'within' and then from within a deeper understanding came. And

with it

> came the promise of more, and a trust in the process developed.

There

> is always more.

> I understand your desire for guidance from seasoned devotee's. But

> there is a kind of understanding no other practitioner can give

you,

> because it comes from the practice itself. It does not have to be

> puja. But even if it is one single mantra, it has to be used

> consistently. That is what deepens your practice, at least that is

> what I found. And it is my experience that other things, like

> practical information or more tools to work with, are added when

you

> need them. You will receive guidance in one form or another. That

is

> the Guru's grace.

>

> with love,

> Henny

>

>

>

> In , "Frances" <fcannavale@> wrote:

> >

> > Namaste'

> >

> > I have not received responses to my question regarding guidance

and

> I

> > would like to encourage seasoned devotee's and invite your

advice to

> > help me deepen my practice. In order to not be of judgement of

> myself,

> > I really wish to deepen my practice and welcome your experience.

I

> find

> > that in some instances that when I do not practice more deeply,

> > negative thoughts appear and mind chatter gets the best of me.

It

> would

> > be a blessing to hear any feedback to help a fledgling duck in

the

> pond

> > of discovery.

> >

> > Francesca

> >

>

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dear Henny and Francesca an all,

 

"I understand your desire for guidance from seasoned devotee's. But

> there is a kind of understanding no other practitioner can give you,

> because it comes from the practice itself."

 

Thank you henny, you got it on the nose IMHO. I was taught the

beginner Siva puja and then left to my own devices...so I just did it

every day....and you are right!

Also for me it became fun to whip up some food in the morning and then

bring it to my altar and offer it to Siva....I just really got a kick

of opening the lid and thinking, "Tada! Look Siva, I made for you!"

 

As time goes on and it becomes second nature, God asks for more!

 

Jaaaaaaaaaaaaaai Maa

 

 

, "henny_v_i" <henny_v_i wrote:

>

> Dear Francesca,

>

> as one of the other young ducks in the pond, I would like to share

> with you what I have found to be true concerning practice. I hope it

> will be of some help to you.

> In the Chandi, it is said: "Having understood, one should commence and

> practice it; by not performing, it will perish. Again by having

> understood comes fulfillment". In my experience, this means that to

> deepen our practice, we must take what we know and do what we can, and

> then our practice will deepen itself.

> When I first started doing puja, I found myself struggling with the

> mantras and the offerings etc., and it all felt rather superficial to

> me because my thoughts were more focused on the procedure than on God.

> And there were many things I did not understand and many questions. So

> I decided to wait until the 'right time' when I had learned more and

> understood more before practicing again. But that got me nowhere,

> because the 'right time' did not come; there was always more to learn

> and even though I collected all the information I did not understand

> the application. The practice cannot be understood without practicing.

> So I decided to just do puja everyday. Soon I found that as the puja

> became more familiar, my focus changed from the 'without' to the

> 'within' and then from within a deeper understanding came. And with it

> came the promise of more, and a trust in the process developed. There

> is always more.

> I understand your desire for guidance from seasoned devotee's. But

> there is a kind of understanding no other practitioner can give you,

> because it comes from the practice itself. It does not have to be

> puja. But even if it is one single mantra, it has to be used

> consistently. That is what deepens your practice, at least that is

> what I found. And it is my experience that other things, like

> practical information or more tools to work with, are added when you

> need them. You will receive guidance in one form or another. That is

> the Guru's grace.

>

> with love,

> Henny

>

>

>

> In , "Frances" <fcannavale@> wrote:

> >

> > Namaste'

> >

> > I have not received responses to my question regarding guidance and

> I

> > would like to encourage seasoned devotee's and invite your advice to

> > help me deepen my practice. In order to not be of judgement of

> myself,

> > I really wish to deepen my practice and welcome your experience. I

> find

> > that in some instances that when I do not practice more deeply,

> > negative thoughts appear and mind chatter gets the best of me. It

> would

> > be a blessing to hear any feedback to help a fledgling duck in the

> pond

> > of discovery.

> >

> > Francesca

> >

>

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, "surathananda" <surathananda

wrote:

A good overview video Called "The Meaning and

> Method of Worship" with Swami Satyananda Saraswati might answer some

> of your questions.(video cd

> available at website)

> Namaste, Surath

 

 

 

Part of this video is also available on youtube as "Why Puja", at this

link:

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HWA1eF88C-k&mode=related&search=

 

Jai Maa!

Chris

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, "Frances" <fcannavale wrote:

> Ms Frances<

I have been following the posts recently and have the unwarranted

liberty of addressing your concerns on behalf of the powers at

Napeshwar Shivasthanam and Shree Maa and Pujya Swamiji.

The eternal clashes of mindless chatter and judgemental analysis

paralysis is part of the central mode of our maya-minds and the

suggested path of one pointed concentration and zen like inward

looking in could assist in reducing and eliminating these obstacles.

Accept the fact , initially, all of us had gone through these wild

steps into slippery slopes of self-critiques, while we wish to merge

with the sanctum sanctorum of our "hridaya kamalam" the lotus petals

of the mind flowers, which blossom unannounced. The advice which

could be easily given, but harder to implement, is to allow some

chatter as you start the internal exercises. One method is deep

Pranayama, by slowly increasing the breath, extending the

inhalation, holding up (increasing the time factor, without

consciously revising the times) and slower exhaling, while reciting

Shree Maa's songs or Chandi or favorite Maha Mritunjaya Mantras. The

concept of clashing negative thoughts is ever-vexing query, and can

only be reduced gradually, by offering all our thoughts, action,

results or interactions to the divine Mother. If one starts to

accept the fact the person or event which causes negative thoughts

to invade our substratum is direct function of your own reflection

of that event or person. When there is no real"doer" or action or

recepient of action or inaction, meaning that the eternal self

which transmutes into the "others", then you will start annihilating

the duality of negative or positive thoughts. Simple steps would be

to identify yourself as the creator of positive vibes, and all

others are continually receiving your rays of happiness, joy and

sweetness of purposeful and desired transfer of nondescript and

nonjudgemental thoughts. Please refrain from ascribing any meaning

or color or underlying wants when describing or explaining any

action or inaction- this will eliminate repeated self critiques and

indulgence of self pity. The thrones of power are under your seat

and you will manipulate, massage or mobilize your views to suit the

moment. Then there will be little to feel negative since your views

will be based on two-pronged internal sword of ultimate

discrimination, one that cuts laterally as the thoughts arise, and

another vertically, as the thoughts get converted into words or

action. Try these once ina while, and see how far this improves your

outlook and capacity to accept "things and thoughts as they are..."

 

Good Luck and Good wishes,

Jai MAAA

 

babu krishnan

> Namaste'

>

> I have not received responses to my question regarding guidance

and I

> would like to encourage seasoned devotee's and invite your advice

to

> help me deepen my practice. In order to not be of judgement of

myself,

> I really wish to deepen my practice and welcome your experience. I

find

> that in some instances that when I do not practice more deeply,

> negative thoughts appear and mind chatter gets the best of me. It

would

> be a blessing to hear any feedback to help a fledgling duck in the

pond

> of discovery.

>

> Francesca

>

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Wow Francesca,

When I read your first post I was so excited to see what would follow in emails.

I have the same question you asked so this is helping me too.

Thanks for entering your questions.

Debi

 

gauri_108 <gauri_108 > wrote:

dear Henny and Francesca an all,

 

"I understand your desire for guidance from seasoned devotee's. But

> there is a kind of understanding no other practitioner can give you,

> because it comes from the practice itself."

 

Thank you henny, you got it on the nose IMHO. I was taught the

beginner Siva puja and then left to my own devices...so I just did it

every day....and you are right!

Also for me it became fun to whip up some food in the morning and then

bring it to my altar and offer it to Siva....I just really got a kick

of opening the lid and thinking, "Tada! Look Siva, I made for you!"

 

As time goes on and it becomes second nature, God asks for more!

 

Jaaaaaaaaaaaaaai Maa

 

, "henny_v_i" <henny_v_i wrote:

>

> Dear Francesca,

>

> as one of the other young ducks in the pond, I would like to share

> with you what I have found to be true concerning practice. I hope it

> will be of some help to you.

> In the Chandi, it is said: "Having understood, one should commence and

> practice it; by not performing, it will perish. Again by having

> understood comes fulfillment". In my experience, this means that to

> deepen our practice, we must take what we know and do what we can, and

> then our practice will deepen itself.

> When I first started doing puja, I found myself struggling with the

> mantras and the offerings etc., and it all felt rather superficial to

> me because my thoughts were more focused on the procedure than on God.

> And there were many things I did not understand and many questions. So

> I decided to wait until the 'right time' when I had learned more and

> understood more before practicing again. But that got me nowhere,

> because the 'right time' did not come; there was always more to learn

> and even though I collected all the information I did not understand

> the application. The practice cannot be understood without practicing.

> So I decided to just do puja everyday. Soon I found that as the puja

> became more familiar, my focus changed from the 'without' to the

> 'within' and then from within a deeper understanding came. And with it

> came the promise of more, and a trust in the process developed. There

> is always more.

> I understand your desire for guidance from seasoned devotee's. But

> there is a kind of understanding no other practitioner can give you,

> because it comes from the practice itself. It does not have to be

> puja. But even if it is one single mantra, it has to be used

> consistently. That is what deepens your practice, at least that is

> what I found. And it is my experience that other things, like

> practical information or more tools to work with, are added when you

> need them. You will receive guidance in one form or another. That is

> the Guru's grace.

>

> with love,

> Henny

>

>

>

> In , "Frances" <fcannavale@> wrote:

> >

> > Namaste'

> >

> > I have not received responses to my question regarding guidance and

> I

> > would like to encourage seasoned devotee's and invite your advice to

> > help me deepen my practice. In order to not be of judgement of

> myself,

> > I really wish to deepen my practice and welcome your experience. I

> find

> > that in some instances that when I do not practice more deeply,

> > negative thoughts appear and mind chatter gets the best of me. It

> would

> > be a blessing to hear any feedback to help a fledgling duck in the

> pond

> > of discovery.

> >

> > Francesca

> >

>

 

 

 

 

 

 

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BRAVO!

 

, "Narayanan" <babuk1008 wrote:

>

> , "Frances" <fcannavale@> wrote:

> > Ms Frances<

> I have been following the posts recently and have the unwarranted

> liberty of addressing your concerns on behalf of the powers at

> Napeshwar Shivasthanam and Shree Maa and Pujya Swamiji.

> The eternal clashes of mindless chatter and judgemental analysis

> paralysis is part of the central mode of our maya-minds and the

> suggested path of one pointed concentration and zen like inward

> looking in could assist in reducing and eliminating these obstacles.

> Accept the fact , initially, all of us had gone through these wild

> steps into slippery slopes of self-critiques, while we wish to merge

> with the sanctum sanctorum of our "hridaya kamalam" the lotus petals

> of the mind flowers, which blossom unannounced. The advice which

> could be easily given, but harder to implement, is to allow some

> chatter as you start the internal exercises. One method is deep

> Pranayama, by slowly increasing the breath, extending the

> inhalation, holding up (increasing the time factor, without

> consciously revising the times) and slower exhaling, while reciting

> Shree Maa's songs or Chandi or favorite Maha Mritunjaya Mantras. The

> concept of clashing negative thoughts is ever-vexing query, and can

> only be reduced gradually, by offering all our thoughts, action,

> results or interactions to the divine Mother. If one starts to

> accept the fact the person or event which causes negative thoughts

> to invade our substratum is direct function of your own reflection

> of that event or person. When there is no real"doer" or action or

> recepient of action or inaction, meaning that the eternal self

> which transmutes into the "others", then you will start annihilating

> the duality of negative or positive thoughts. Simple steps would be

> to identify yourself as the creator of positive vibes, and all

> others are continually receiving your rays of happiness, joy and

> sweetness of purposeful and desired transfer of nondescript and

> nonjudgemental thoughts. Please refrain from ascribing any meaning

> or color or underlying wants when describing or explaining any

> action or inaction- this will eliminate repeated self critiques and

> indulgence of self pity. The thrones of power are under your seat

> and you will manipulate, massage or mobilize your views to suit the

> moment. Then there will be little to feel negative since your views

> will be based on two-pronged internal sword of ultimate

> discrimination, one that cuts laterally as the thoughts arise, and

> another vertically, as the thoughts get converted into words or

> action. Try these once ina while, and see how far this improves your

> outlook and capacity to accept "things and thoughts as they are..."

>

> Good Luck and Good wishes,

> Jai MAAA

>

> babu krishnan

> > Namaste'

> >

> > I have not received responses to my question regarding guidance

> and I

> > would like to encourage seasoned devotee's and invite your advice

> to

> > help me deepen my practice. In order to not be of judgement of

> myself,

> > I really wish to deepen my practice and welcome your experience. I

> find

> > that in some instances that when I do not practice more deeply,

> > negative thoughts appear and mind chatter gets the best of me. It

> would

> > be a blessing to hear any feedback to help a fledgling duck in the

> pond

> > of discovery.

> >

> > Francesca

> >

>

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