Guest guest Posted November 7, 2006 Report Share Posted November 7, 2006 Dear Ones: If we look at linguistic structures behind thought that give birth to language we can discover the apriori relationships that mind perceives between God and the world. Since all religions come from the mind, God is associated with goodness. Even the term God and good are related. When people are surprised, they exclaim, "Good God!" No one says, "Bad God!" Everyone says "Good God!". So in the relative perceptions associated with the mind, one is able distinguish between good and bad but remain impartial and calm in consciousness that allows transcendence to Sat-Chit-Ananda. If we examine carefully the language, we do not see any bad words associated with the Absolute, only good words. How can it be explained unless goodness is the bridge to the Absolute? Just look at Patanjali's yoga sutras. This apriori relationship between God and Good suggests that by being good, we become Godlike. "Man was made in the image of God." By Realizing our true image, we realize the Absolute nature as being beyond both good and bad and yet being purely good manifesting in prakriti. OK, enough of that stuff. Back to Krishna Das doing his Elvis impersonation, "Don't be cruel, to a heart thats true." Love and blessings Love, serve, and be helpful, but without getting disgusted, tired, pessimistic, and exhausted. Blessings dear souls, blessings! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 8, 2006 Report Share Posted November 8, 2006 Dear Shri Shri BIngoji: Don't you just love that fast swing thing Krishna Das does with his hips to the Hanuman Chalisa? Elvis, ki Jai!!! Elvis is good Krishna Das is good God is Good Thank you for your thoughtful words. Jill On Nov 7, 2006, at 5:04 PM, Maharishi Bingo wrote: > Dear Ones: > > If we look at linguistic structures behind thought that give birth to > language we can discover the apriori relationships that mind > perceives between God and the world. Since all religions come from the > mind, God is associated with goodness. > > Even the term God and good are related. When people are surprised, > they exclaim, "Good God!" No one says, "Bad God!" Everyone says "Good > God!". > > So in the relative perceptions associated with the mind, one is able > distinguish between good and bad but remain impartial and calm in > consciousness that allows transcendence to Sat-Chit-Ananda. If we > examine carefully the language, we do not see any bad words associated > with the Absolute, only good words. > > How can it be explained unless goodness is the bridge to the > Absolute? Just look at > Patanjali's yoga sutras. > > This apriori relationship between God and Good suggests that by being > good, we become Godlike. > > "Man was made in the image of God." By Realizing our true image, we > realize the Absolute nature as being beyond both good and bad and yet > being purely good manifesting in prakriti. > > OK, enough of that stuff. Back to Krishna Das doing his Elvis > impersonation, "Don't be cruel, to a heart thats true." > > Love and blessings > > Love, serve, and be helpful, but without getting disgusted, tired, > pessimistic, > and exhausted. Blessings dear souls, blessings! > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 8, 2006 Report Share Posted November 8, 2006 it is all 'good', 'bad' included. welcome again, bingo! yosy "soup should be good; a man should be a man" (polish saying" , "Maharishi Bingo" <maharishibingo wrote: > > Dear Ones: > > If we look at linguistic structures behind thought that give birth to > language we can discover the apriori relationships that mind > perceives between God and the world. Since all religions come from the > mind, God is associated with goodness. > > Even the term God and good are related. When people are surprised, > they exclaim, "Good God!" No one says, "Bad God!" Everyone says "Good > God!". > > So in the relative perceptions associated with the mind, one is able > distinguish between good and bad but remain impartial and calm in > consciousness that allows transcendence to Sat-Chit-Ananda. If we > examine carefully the language, we do not see any bad words associated > with the Absolute, only good words. > > How can it be explained unless goodness is the bridge to the > Absolute? Just look at > Patanjali's yoga sutras. > > This apriori relationship between God and Good suggests that by being > good, we become Godlike. > > "Man was made in the image of God." By Realizing our true image, we > realize the Absolute nature as being beyond both good and bad and yet > being purely good manifesting in prakriti. > > OK, enough of that stuff. Back to Krishna Das doing his Elvis > impersonation, "Don't be cruel, to a heart thats true." > > Love and blessings > > Love, serve, and be helpful, but without getting disgusted, tired, pessimistic, > and exhausted. Blessings dear souls, blessings! > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 8, 2006 Report Share Posted November 8, 2006 Why, Shri Shri Bingorishiji, you are quite the writer, aren't you? I especially like this observation... =============================================== By Realizing our true image, we realize the Absolute nature as being beyond both good and bad and yet being purely good manifesting in prakriti. ~Maharishi BingoRam~ ==================================================== So often, people want to extrapolate the "I am not the doer" line of thinking and the "Absolute is beyond good and bad" line of thinking to justify any kind of behavior, in particular, bad behavior :-0 Your little missive addresses this so nicely...I love the way you express yourself. You should write a book ;-) You can call it "BINGO" And then there is the Krishna Das Elvis impersonation part...that I have yet to see or hear. Although I did see him recently, I must have missed that part ;-) But he does do a rousing singalong encouraging us all to call...to call Jesus on the telephone, ie, and "tell Him what you want." Anyway, it si nice to see you back on the list...your gentle humor was missed. Love, Joyce - Maharishi Bingo Tuesday, November 07, 2006 5:04 PM Good God! Dear Ones: If we look at linguistic structures behind thought that give birth to language we can discover the apriori relationships that mind perceives between God and the world. Since all religions come from the mind, God is associated with goodness. Even the term God and good are related. When people are surprised, they exclaim, "Good God!" No one says, "Bad God!" Everyone says "Good God!". So in the relative perceptions associated with the mind, one is able distinguish between good and bad but remain impartial and calm in consciousness that allows transcendence to Sat-Chit-Ananda. If we examine carefully the language, we do not see any bad words associated with the Absolute, only good words. How can it be explained unless goodness is the bridge to the Absolute? Just look at Patanjali's yoga sutras. This apriori relationship between God and Good suggests that by being good, we become Godlike. "Man was made in the image of God." By Realizing our true image, we realize the Absolute nature as being beyond both good and bad and yet being purely good manifesting in prakriti. OK, enough of that stuff. Back to Krishna Das doing his Elvis impersonation, "Don't be cruel, to a heart thats true." Love and blessings Love, serve, and be helpful, but without getting disgusted, tired, pessimistic, and exhausted. Blessings dear souls, blessings! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 8, 2006 Report Share Posted November 8, 2006 ) It is also narrated that Moulana Shamsuddin Malti reported that one day Moulana was giving discourse of mystical subjects at the Seminary, when he said that he loved Shamsuddin much, but he had one fault; and then Shamsuddin begged to be enlightened as to what that fault was; and Moulana said "Whatever he (Shamsuddin) perceives and sees, he thinks that God's most blessed thing and God's most blessed person is that thing or that person" and then Moulana recited these verses: "As many a man has The inwardness of Satan; Should one hail everyone As a saint? When your inward eye Is opened;-- The real master Can then be perceived!" Mevlana Jalaluddin Rumi as translated by Idries Shah _()_ yosy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 8, 2006 Report Share Posted November 8, 2006 "How can it be explained unless goodness is the bridge to the Absolute?" Welp, I don't think human judgment makes a particularly 'good' bridge, or has any relationship to divinity at all. It could be explained simply, by noticing that what we posit as the Source, creator, controller of our destiny (in most beliefs) is something we very much want to be good. It wouldn't do at all to be at the mercy of an evil God, unless of course it's to be used as a tool of control and power. If we're going to make up stories, they should be comfy ones, doncha think? Mayhaps the 'bridge' to the Absolute is to release all judgments, 'good' or 'bad'? Phil In a message dated 11/7/2006 2:10:49 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, maharishibingo writes: Dear Ones: If we look at linguistic structures behind thought that give birth to language we can discover the apriori relationships that mind perceives between God and the world. Since all religions come from the mind, God is associated with goodness. Even the term God and good are related. When people are surprised, they exclaim, "Good God!" No one says, "Bad God!" Everyone says "Good God!". So in the relative perceptions associated with the mind, one is able distinguish between good and bad but remain impartial and calm in consciousness that allows transcendence to Sat-Chit-Ananda. If we examine carefully the language, we do not see any bad words associated with the Absolute, only good words. How can it be explained unless goodness is the bridge to the Absolute? Just look at Patanjali's yoga sutras. This apriori relationship between God and Good suggests that by being good, we become Godlike. "Man was made in the image of God." By Realizing our true image, we realize the Absolute nature as being beyond both good and bad and yet being purely good manifesting in prakriti. OK, enough of that stuff. Back to Krishna Das doing his Elvis impersonation, "Don't be cruel, to a heart thats true." Love and blessings Love, serve, and be helpful, but without getting disgusted, tired, pessimistic, and exhausted. Blessings dear souls, blessings! Dear Friends: Please keep in mind that taking someone's creative and intellectual works (poetry, art, articles, essays, posts, etc.) without permission of the authors is a violation of copyright laws. This especially applies to this list, , as it is a private list which can be viewed by members only. Most individuals do allow their artistic and creative work to be posted elsewhere if you request it and use their work in a not-for-profit format for benefit of others. So that is not usually a problem. However, if you are taking content from this list with a profit motive (such as promotion of your site in order to sell products, ads, etc.), it is critical that you seek the explicit and written permission from the authors whose works you are using. Acting in any other way is dishonest. Thank you. _________ Magazine and Website is at community blog is at http://.net/blog/ "Love itself is the actual form of God." Sri Ramana In "Letters from Sri Ramanasramam" by Suri Nagamma Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 8, 2006 Report Share Posted November 8, 2006 , souldreamone wrote: > > > "How can it be explained unless goodness is the bridge to the > Absolute?" > > > Welp, I don't think human judgment makes a particularly 'good' bridge, or > has any relationship to divinity at all. > > It could be explained simply, by noticing that what we posit as the Source, > creator, controller of our destiny (in most beliefs) is something we very much > want to be good. It wouldn't do at all to be at the mercy of an evil God, > unless of course it's to be used as a tool of control and power. If we're going > to make up stories, they should be comfy ones, doncha think? > > Mayhaps the 'bridge' to the Absolute is to release all judgments, 'good' or > 'bad'? > very good! > Phil > _()_ yosy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 8, 2006 Report Share Posted November 8, 2006 souldreamone (AT) AOL (DOT) com Wednesday, November 08, 2006 3:07 AM Re: Good God! "How can it be explained unless goodness is the bridge to the Absolute?" Welp, I don't think human judgment makes a particularly 'good' bridge, or has any relationship to divinity at all. It could be explained simply, by noticing that what we posit as the Source, creator, controller of our destiny (in most beliefs) is something we very much want to be good. It wouldn't do at all to be at the mercy of an evil God, unless of course it's to be used as a tool of control and power. If we're going to make up stories, they should be comfy ones, doncha think? Mayhaps the 'bridge' to the Absolute is to release all judgments, 'good' or 'bad'? Phil ============================================================== Welp, Phil, there is a big difference between thinking and knowing. Although I will agree with you that under our standards of judgment, good or not good or not anything, is tainted by the judgment itself. Yet, what should we choose? Under your system, mayhaps the bridge is to release ALL judgments? That would then have to include yours, no? ;-) Joyce Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 8, 2006 Report Share Posted November 8, 2006 My perspective (take it or leave it): The Self, as it exists beyond creation, is sat-chit-ananda – ever conscious, ever existent, ever blissful, formless pure awareness. It is the substratum of the universe – the canvass on which all of creation is painted. While this is sometimes described as a state of emptiness, is not emptiness as we normally conceive of it. It is a state of completeness and joy beyond anything that can be described in words or experienced when identified with normal human consciousness. Shrouded by Maya, the curtain of delusion, the Self is differentiated into countless forms, and the duality of good and evil arises. The first manifestation of the Self within creation is God, the highest principle of good. From this, all else arises. Living a good moral life is extremely important if we want to progress spiritually. Love and compassion are a reflection of the unity of the Self in its pure state, and developing love and compassion for all beings brings us closer to this state. It is true that the desire to fix or save or the world can become a trap that binds us to it. However, truly selfless service, without the desire for personal recognition or attachment to any specific outcome, is highly beneficial. If we walk around saying, "I am Consciousness," but are narrowly focused only on achieving our own personal desires, this will not help us to realize the Self. All of the messages on this subject reflect great love and compassion. Thank you all for sharing. In Friendship, David Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 8, 2006 Report Share Posted November 8, 2006 - holmes_dc Wednesday, November 08, 2006 10:13 AM Re: Good God! My perspective (take it or leave it): The Self, as it exists beyond creation, is sat-chit-ananda - ever conscious, ever existent, ever blissful, formless pure awareness. It is the substratum of the universe - the canvass on which all of creation is painted. While this is sometimes described as a state of emptiness, is not emptiness as we normally conceive of it. It is a state of completeness and joy beyond anything that can be described in words or experienced when identified with normal human consciousness. Shrouded by Maya, the curtain of delusion, the Self is differentiated into countless forms, and the duality of good and evil arises. The first manifestation of the Self within creation is God, the highest principle of good. From this, all else arises. Living a good moral life is extremely important if we want to progress spiritually. Love and compassion are a reflection of the unity of the Self in its pure state, and developing love and compassion for all beings brings us closer to this state. It is true that the desire to fix or save or the world can become a trap that binds us to it. However, truly selfless service, without the desire for personal recognition or attachment to any specific outcome, is highly beneficial. If we walk around saying, "I am Consciousness," but are narrowly focused only on achieving our own personal desires, this will not help us to realize the Self. All of the messages on this subject reflect great love and compassion. Thank you all for sharing. In Friendship, David ================================================= Dearest David: You address what you consider the first manifestation of Self within creation as God, ie. good. I wonder what your thoughts are as the question of evil. You mention it but do not address it. It is one of the most perplexing paradoxes to plague the annals of nonduality:-) Would you be willing to share your thoughts? And.... Since he started it all, I am hoping our Bingorishiji will entertain the same questions and offer his perspectives on the subject? Love, Joyce Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 8, 2006 Report Share Posted November 8, 2006 Dear One, You are perceptive indeed. Your good karma allows you to recognize brilliant wisdom instantly. Good deeds in past life have made you receptive to receive higher knowledge. I bow to your pure insights. One of the troubles with nonduality is that it allows many so called gurus like Ramesh Baleskar to use a standard line when they are accused of groping women and other lewd behavior. They simply say, "it was just my body/mind mechanism doing it in a pre-determined fashion." Such people have fragmented and unenlightened minds. I have yet to hear a guru who is accused of having an affair with some pretty lady simply say something like, "Well, when I saw her, my mouth hung wide open and I thought gee, she's really cute and wouldn't it be wonderful to do a few laps around the pool with her." Frankly, I prefer integrity and authenticity over nonduality any day. Love and Blessings Maharishi Bingo Ram Love, serve, and be helpful, but without getting disgusted, tired, pessimistic, and exhausted. Blessings dear souls, blessings! On 11/7/06, Lady Joyce <shaantih (AT) comcast (DOT) net> wrote: > > Why, Shri Shri Bingorishiji, you are quite the writer, aren't you? > I especially like this observation... > > =============================================== > > By Realizing our true image, we realize the Absolute nature as > being beyond both good and bad and yet being purely good > manifesting in prakriti. > > ~Maharishi BingoRam~ > > ==================================================== > So often, people want to extrapolate the "I am not the doer" line > of thinking and the "Absolute is beyond good and bad" line of thinking > to justify any kind of behavior, in particular, bad behavior :-0 Your > little missive > addresses this so nicely...I love the way you express yourself. You > should write a book ;-) You can call it "BINGO" > > And then there is the Krishna Das Elvis impersonation part...that I have > yet to see or hear. Although I did see him recently, I must have > missed that part ;-) But he does do a rousing singalong encouraging > us all to call...to call Jesus on the telephone, ie, and "tell Him what > you want." Anyway, it si nice to see you back on the list...your gentle > humor was missed. > > Love, > > Joyce > > > - > Maharishi Bingo > > Tuesday, November 07, 2006 5:04 PM > Good God! > > Dear Ones: > > If we look at linguistic structures behind thought that give birth to > language we can discover the apriori relationships that mind > perceives between God and the world. Since all religions come from the > mind, God is associated with goodness. > > Even the term God and good are related. When people are surprised, > they exclaim, "Good God!" No one says, "Bad God!" Everyone says "Good > God!". > > So in the relative perceptions associated with the mind, one is able > distinguish between good and bad but remain impartial and calm in > consciousness that allows transcendence to Sat-Chit-Ananda. If we > examine carefully the language, we do not see any bad words associated > with the Absolute, only good words. > > How can it be explained unless goodness is the bridge to the > Absolute? Just look at > Patanjali's yoga sutras. > > This apriori relationship between God and Good suggests that by being > good, we become Godlike. > > "Man was made in the image of God." By Realizing our true image, we > realize the Absolute nature as being beyond both good and bad and yet > being purely good manifesting in prakriti. > > OK, enough of that stuff. Back to Krishna Das doing his Elvis > impersonation, "Don't be cruel, to a heart thats true." > > Love and blessings > > Love, serve, and be helpful, but without getting disgusted, tired, > pessimistic, > and exhausted. Blessings dear souls, blessings! > > _ > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 8, 2006 Report Share Posted November 8, 2006 "truly selfless service, without the desire for personal recognition or attachment to any specific outcome, is highly beneficial." Hmmmmm......::::pondering..... mentating ......contemplating....::::::: Then the idea that it's beneficial is of no significance, right? I believe humans are capable of wonderful acts of courage, love, kindness and compassion, but never is it selfless, unless there is not a self. In that event, there is no individual 'doing' these things. Phil In a message dated 11/8/2006 7:23:13 A.M. Pacific Standard Time, holmes_dc writes: My perspective (take it or leave it): The Self, as it exists beyond creation, is sat-chit-ananda – ever conscious, ever existent, ever blissful, formless pure awareness. It is the substratum of the universe – the canvass on which all of creation is painted. While this is sometimes described as a state of emptiness, is not emptiness as we normally conceive of it. It is a state of completeness and joy beyond anything that can be described in words or experienced when identified with normal human consciousness. Shrouded by Maya, the curtain of delusion, the Self is differentiated into countless forms, and the duality of good and evil arises. The first manifestation of the Self within creation is God, the highest principle of good. From this, all else arises. Living a good moral life is extremely important if we want to progress spiritually. Love and compassion are a reflection of the unity of the Self in its pure state, and developing love and compassion for all beings brings us closer to this state. It is true that the desire to fix or save or the world can become a trap that binds us to it. However, truly selfless service, without the desire for personal recognition or attachment to any specific outcome, is highly beneficial. If we walk around saying, "I am Consciousness," but are narrowly focused only on achieving our own personal desires, this will not help us to realize the Self. All of the messages on this subject reflect great love and compassion. Thank you all for sharing. In Friendship, David Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 9, 2006 Report Share Posted November 9, 2006 , "Maharishi Bingo" <maharishibingo wrote: > > Dear One, > > You are perceptive indeed. Your good karma allows you to recognize brilliant > wisdom instantly. Good deeds in past life have made you receptive to receive > higher knowledge. I bow to your pure insights. > > One of the troubles with nonduality is that it allows many so called gurus > like Ramesh Baleskar to use a standard line when they are accused of groping > women and other lewd behavior. They simply say, "it was just my body/mind > mechanism doing it in a pre-determined fashion." Such people have > fragmented and unenlightened minds. > > I have yet to hear a guru who is accused of having an affair with some > pretty lady simply say something like, "Well, when I saw her, my mouth hung > wide open and I thought gee, she's really cute and wouldn't it be wonderful > to do a few laps around the pool with her." ) Frankly, I prefer integrity and > authenticity over nonduality any day. > what is the difference (if you mean real, lived moment-to-moment advaita/nonduality)? btw, i've heard it said that freedom is a/o absence of preferences, which are all ego-bound. > Love and Blessings > Maharishi Bingo Ram > yosy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 9, 2006 Report Share Posted November 9, 2006 No human ever became enlightened, or ever will. Phil In a message dated 11/8/2006 1:51:14 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, maharishibingo writes: Dear One, You are perceptive indeed. Your good karma allows you to recognize brilliant wisdom instantly. Good deeds in past life have made you receptive to receive higher knowledge. I bow to your pure insights. One of the troubles with nonduality is that it allows many so called gurus like Ramesh Baleskar to use a standard line when they are accused of groping women and other lewd behavior. They simply say, "it was just my body/mind mechanism doing it in a pre-determined fashion." Such people have fragmented and unenlightened minds. I have yet to hear a guru who is accused of having an affair with some pretty lady simply say something like, "Well, when I saw her, my mouth hung wide open and I thought gee, she's really cute and wouldn't it be wonderful to do a few laps around the pool with her." Frankly, I prefer integrity and authenticity over nonduality any day. Love and Blessings Maharishi Bingo Ram Love, serve, and be helpful, but without getting disgusted, tired, pessimistic, and exhausted. Blessings dear souls, blessings! On 11/7/06, Lady Joyce <_shaantih (AT) comcast (DOT) net_ (shaantih (AT) comcast (DOT) net) > wrote: Why, Shri Shri Bingorishiji, you are quite the writer, aren't you? I especially like this observation... =============================================== By Realizing our true image, we realize the Absolute nature as being beyond both good and bad and yet being purely good manifesting in prakriti. ~Maharishi BingoRam~ ==================================================== So often, people want to extrapolate the "I am not the doer" line of thinking and the "Absolute is beyond good and bad" line of thinking to justify any kind of behavior, in particular, bad behavior :-0 Your little missive addresses this so nicely...I love the way you express yourself. You should write a book ;-) You can call it "BINGO" And then there is the Krishna Das Elvis impersonation part...that I have yet to see or hear. Although I did see him recently, I must have missed that part ;-) But he does do a rousing singalong encouraging us all to call...to call Jesus on the telephone, ie, and "tell Him what you want." Anyway, it si nice to see you back on the list...your gentle humor was missed. Love, Joyce ----- Original Message ----- Maharishi Bingo Tuesday, November 07, 2006 5:04 PM Good God! Dear Ones: If we look at linguistic structures behind thought that give birth to language we can discover the apriori relationships that mind perceives between God and the world. Since all religions come from the mind, God is associated with goodness. Even the term God and good are related. When people are surprised, they exclaim, "Good God!" No one says, "Bad God!" Everyone says "Good God!". So in the relative perceptions associated with the mind, one is able distinguish between good and bad but remain impartial and calm in consciousness that allows transcendence to Sat-Chit-Ananda. If we examine carefully the language, we do not see any bad words associated with the Absolute, only good words. How can it be explained unless goodness is the bridge to the Absolute? Just look at Patanjali's yoga sutras. This apriori relationship between God and Good suggests that by being good, we become Godlike. "Man was made in the image of God." By Realizing our true image, we realize the Absolute nature as being beyond both good and bad and yet being purely good manifesting in prakriti. OK, enough of that stuff. Back to Krishna Das doing his Elvis impersonation, "Don't be cruel, to a heart thats true." Love and blessings Love, serve, and be helpful, but without getting disgusted, tired, pessimistic, and exhausted. Blessings dear souls, blessings! _ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 9, 2006 Report Share Posted November 9, 2006 I was not talking about enlightenment but simply being a gentleman. Love and Blessings Maharishi Bingo Ram Love, serve, and be helpful, but without getting disgusted, tired, pessimistic, and exhausted. Blessings dear souls, blessings! On 11/8/06, souldreamone (AT) aol (DOT) com <souldreamone (AT) aol (DOT) com> wrote: > > No human ever became enlightened, or ever will. > > Phil > > > > In a message dated 11/8/2006 1:51:14 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, > maharishibingo writes: > > Dear One, > > You are perceptive indeed. Your good karma allows you to recognize > brilliant wisdom instantly. Good deeds in past life have made you receptive > to receive higher knowledge. I bow to your pure insights. > > One of the troubles with nonduality is that it allows many so called gurus > like Ramesh Baleskar to use a standard line when they are accused of groping > women and other lewd behavior. They simply say, "it was just my body/mind > mechanism doing it in a pre-determined fashion." Such people have > fragmented and unenlightened minds. > > I have yet to hear a guru who is accused of having an affair with some > pretty lady simply say something like, "Well, when I saw her, my mouth hung > wide open and I thought gee, she's really cute and wouldn't it be wonderful > to do a few laps around the pool with her." Frankly, I prefer integrity and > authenticity over nonduality any day. > > Love and Blessings > Maharishi Bingo Ram > > Love, serve, and be helpful, but without getting disgusted, tired, > pessimistic, and exhausted. Blessings dear souls, blessings! > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 9, 2006 Report Share Posted November 9, 2006 In a message dated 11/8/2006 5:47:41 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, yosyflug (AT) isdn (DOT) net.il writes: , "Maharishi Bingo" <maharishibingo wrote: > > Dear One, > > You are perceptive indeed. Your good karma allows you to recognize brilliant > wisdom instantly. Good deeds in past life have made you receptive to receive > higher knowledge. I bow to your pure insights. > > One of the troubles with nonduality is that it allows many so called gurus > like Ramesh Baleskar to use a standard line when they are accused of groping > women and other lewd behavior. They simply say, "it was just my body/mind > mechanism doing it in a pre-determined fashion." Such people have > fragmented and unenlightened minds. > > I have yet to hear a guru who is accused of having an affair with some > pretty lady simply say something like, "Well, when I saw her, my mouth hung > wide open and I thought gee, she's really cute and wouldn't it be wonderful > to do a few laps around the pool with her." ) Frankly, I prefer integrity and > authenticity over nonduality any day. > what is the difference (if you mean real, lived moment-to-moment advaita/nonduality)? btw, i've heard it said that freedom is a/o absence of preferences, which are all ego-bound. > Love and Blessings > Maharishi Bingo Ram > yosy This is an interesting subject, at least to me. Nonduality is clear that there is no volitional human. Enlightenment does not create a volitional human. The dualistic, conceptual human mind cannot know Truth. The Awakening to Truth cannot cause the human mind to know Truth. Awakening is another event that occurs through the human vehicle, but it does not occur TO the human vehicle. As mentioned, no human ever became enlightened. Awakening is the realization that the human vehicle is playing it's part in the functioning of the totality of Consciousness, and it continues to do that until it 'dies' regardless of whether or not an Awakening event has occurred through it. And so the guru is not the human, and the words spoken are not Absolute Truth, but merely conceptual pointers. Nothing has actually Awakened, since the human is not an independent thing that can awaken to anything, and Consciousness was never 'asleep'. And so what actually does occur? Simply an event of Awakening to the Self through the human instrument. This removes the overlay of identification with the vehicle, which is the source of struggle within the vehicle. What is unique about that vehicle, is what is NOT present. The vehicle is still going to function according to it's conditioning, including the conditioning brought on by the Awakening event, but it's still going to function as an individual with thoughts, feelings and desires. When it's hungry, it wants to eat. When tired, it wants to sleep. When cold, it wants to get warm. It wants to laugh and be joyous. If you attack it, it will react to avoid being hurt. (Of course, there may be exceptions. If identification with the body is removed entirely, it may cease to care for itself and die, but obviously, we're not talking about the gurus who died.) What it is much less likely to do is feel the weight of man's vacillating moral judgment and experience guilt or pride, or have any need to behave 'appropriately' so as not to be judged by others. Even the gurus have said the human is not the guru and there's no way to tell through whom the awakening event has occurred. If such expectations are being placed on the 'guru' then nonduality is not being understood. There is no human guru. Phil Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 9, 2006 Report Share Posted November 9, 2006 ......in the context of nonduality, gurus and Balsekar. I guess we could conclude that enlightenment doesn't necessarily create 'proper' behavior. Not so coincidentally, I just got this daily quote of Balsekar, for what it's worth. (As a disclaimer, I have no attachment one way or the other to any guru or teaching.) ------------------------------ A Net of Jewels Ramesh S. Balsekar http://www.advaita.org November 9 The virtue and unpretentious naturalness of the sage often goes unnoticed because of its ordinariness. ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ The sage, or the wise man, is well aware of the artificialities of the world of men. ------ In a message dated 11/8/2006 6:54:49 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, maharishibingo writes: I was not talking about enlightenment but simply being a gentleman. Love and Blessings Maharishi Bingo Ram Love, serve, and be helpful, but without getting disgusted, tired, pessimistic, and exhausted. Blessings dear souls, blessings! On 11/8/06, _souldreamone (AT) aol (DOT) com_ (souldreamone (AT) aol (DOT) com) <_souldreamone (AT) aol (DOT) com_ (souldreamone (AT) aol (DOT) com) > wrote: No human ever became enlightened, or ever will. Phil In a message dated 11/8/2006 1:51:14 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, maharishibingo (AT) _gmail (DOT) com_ (http://gmail.com/) writes: Dear One, You are perceptive indeed. Your good karma allows you to recognize brilliant wisdom instantly. Good deeds in past life have made you receptive to receive higher knowledge. I bow to your pure insights. One of the troubles with nonduality is that it allows many so called gurus like Ramesh Baleskar to use a standard line when they are accused of groping women and other lewd behavior. They simply say, "it was just my body/mind mechanism doing it in a pre-determined fashion." Such people have fragmented and unenlightened minds. I have yet to hear a guru who is accused of having an affair with some pretty lady simply say something like, "Well, when I saw her, my mouth hung wide open and I thought gee, she's really cute and wouldn't it be wonderful to do a few laps around the pool with her." Frankly, I prefer integrity and authenticity over nonduality any day. Love and Blessings Maharishi Bingo Ram Love, serve, and be helpful, but without getting disgusted, tired, pessimistic, and exhausted. Blessings dear souls, blessings! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 9, 2006 Report Share Posted November 9, 2006 , souldreamone wrote: > > > > > This is an interesting subject, at least to me. Nonduality is clear that > there is no volitional human. Enlightenment does not create a volitional human. > The dualistic, conceptual human mind cannot know Truth. The Awakening to > Truth cannot cause the human mind to know Truth. > > Awakening is another event that occurs through the human vehicle, but it > does not occur TO the human vehicle. As mentioned, no human ever became > enlightened. Awakening is the realization that the human vehicle is playing it's part > in the functioning of the totality of Consciousness, and it continues to do > that until it 'dies' regardless of whether or not an Awakening event has > occurred through it. > > And so the guru is not the human, and the words spoken are not Absolute > Truth, but merely conceptual pointers. Nothing has actually Awakened, since the > human is not an independent thing that can awaken to anything, and > Consciousness was never 'asleep'. And so what actually does occur? Simply an event of > Awakening to the Self through the human instrument. This removes the overlay of > identification with the vehicle, which is the source of struggle within the > vehicle. What is unique about that vehicle, is what is NOT present. > > The vehicle is still going to function according to it's conditioning, > including the conditioning brought on by the Awakening event, but it's still going > to function as an individual with thoughts, feelings and desires. When it's > hungry, it wants to eat. When tired, it wants to sleep. When cold, it wants > to get warm. It wants to laugh and be joyous. If you attack it, it will react > to avoid being hurt. (Of course, there may be exceptions. If identification > with the body is removed entirely, it may cease to care for itself and die, > but obviously, we're not talking about the gurus who died.) > > What it is much less likely to do is feel the weight of man's vacillating > moral judgment and experience guilt or pride, or have any need to behave > 'appropriately' so as not to be judged by others. Even the gurus have said the > human is not the guru and there's no way to tell through whom the awakening event > has occurred. If such expectations are being placed on the 'guru' then > nonduality is not being understood. There is no human guru. > > Phil > yes. incidentally, this reminded somehow me post 39577: -------------- dear harsha, friends though i share your feelings about our beloved ramana, it has to be pointed out that bhagawan ramana - and any fully realized sage, for that matter (belonging apparently to whatever tradition) - does not really exist. the form, name etc are only in the eyes/hearts/minds of the beholders. in truth, those are only apparent expressions of the one and only, without a second, indefinable and undescribable existence/self/love/truth... pure grace apparently 'confined' to a name and form - according to the needs of time, place and people. the sufi dictum states "speak to each according to his/hers understanding"; or as i heard someone say "different strokes for different folks". so, each apparent name and form fulfills a particular need - but none really exists. only 'self' IS. jai ramana! @}->,->'-- yosy --------------------- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 9, 2006 Report Share Posted November 9, 2006 One person proclaims, "The Truth is One, not two." A second responds, "The Truth is neither one nor two." A third answers, "Why speak of what Truth is or isn't." A fourth rakes leaves. Welcome to the world of nondualism, Where you're damned if you do, Damned if you don't, Forever bound, And eternally free. Is this God playing the fool, Or the fool playing God? I can't decide, So I'll take two tickets please. I completely agree with those of who say that in the ultimate sense, there is no cause and effect, no time and space, no spiritual growth and no people to be enlightened. To say that certain (good) behavior leads to enlightenment makes no sense from the highest perspective. But there is another way of looking at things, which we all do. Think of creation as a novel that has come into being spontaneously, written in its entirety. To say that one word causes the next or one page causes the next would be ridiculous. It is all just a bunch of words, which represent different concepts. You could theoretically read the pages backwards or read the words in a random order, and there would be no story at all. However, when we read the novel from start to finish, there is a story, and it is real when we identify with it. While everything is predetermined, there are certain themes in the story. One theme is that when people do good, good returns to their lives. Another theme is that there are stages of "growth." Before people walk, they crawl. Before people realize that they don't exist in the ultimate sense, they start to understand that they are connected with other people and want to do good and help them. Thus, we can say that one stage precedes the next, even if nothing ultimately causes anything. I am not saying that it is impossible for a person to realize the Self without living a moral life, but this is not common. There aren't many stories of great saints and sages who ran around and killed and robbed people immediately prior to realization. So, to say that doing good "makes" us one way or the other may not be accurate from the non-causal point of view. But it is still accurate in the scheme of the relative to say that certain things typically precede other things. Joyce, as far as the nature of evil goes, evil is just the result of ignorance of the true nature of the Self. The greater the degree of ignorance, the greater the potential for evil. When we realize we are all part of one another, there is no desire to harm others – we would be just be harming ourself, after all. In Friendship, David Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 9, 2006 Report Share Posted November 9, 2006 Dear Bingo, from what you are saying it seems that you never heard an angry person, or just disappointed, saying bad words about God, I did. (Italy) In what world do you live? for sure it is not my world. Apriori relationship between good and God? Do you mean evil is not God's creation? (may be the good you refer to is prior to the creation of the polarity good and bad, then all this doesn't apply) Yes may be some things are more conducive to Truth than others as long as we live in duality but when one is Truth itself nothing makes any difference everything is Mine and there is no other, evil or good, I am what I am, and all is in Me Marifa - Maharishi Bingo Tuesday, November 07, 2006 11:04 PM Good God! Dear Ones: If we look at linguistic structures behind thought that give birth to language we can discover the apriori relationships that mind perceives between God and the world. Since all religions come from the mind, God is associated with goodness. Even the term God and good are related. When people are surprised, they exclaim, "Good God!" No one says, "Bad God!" Everyone says "Good God!". So in the relative perceptions associated with the mind, one is able distinguish between good and bad but remain impartial and calm in consciousness that allows transcendence to Sat-Chit-Ananda. If we examine carefully the language, we do not see any bad words associated with the Absolute, only good words. How can it be explained unless goodness is the bridge to the Absolute? Just look at Patanjali's yoga sutras. This apriori relationship between God and Good suggests that by being good, we become Godlike. "Man was made in the image of God." By Realizing our true image, we realize the Absolute nature as being beyond both good and bad and yet being purely good manifesting in prakriti. OK, enough of that stuff. Back to Krishna Das doing his Elvis impersonation, "Don't be cruel, to a heart thats true." Love and blessings Love, serve, and be helpful, but without getting disgusted, tired, pessimistic, and exhausted. Blessings dear souls, blessings! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 9, 2006 Report Share Posted November 9, 2006 Not even close, ALL is in ME... wink. (I think this is where I came in...) EVE TRANSFIGURED How did I ever get so lost in This? Who turned This into my nightmare? How did the candle burn my paper heart? What image remains in Nothing? Where do words fly when the syntax is apex? Is green the colour of a verdant heart? Is a beating heart lost in Silence Is the finger the Moon? Who am I if not the inherent softness of a woman's breast? Love, Anna , "Emanuele De Benedetti" <e.debenedetti wrote: > > Dear Bingo, > > from what you are saying it seems that you never heard > > an angry person, or just disappointed, saying bad words about God, I did. (Italy) > > In what world do you live? for sure it is not my world. > > Apriori relationship between good and God? > > Do you mean evil is not God's creation? (may be the good you refer to is prior to the > creation of the polarity good and bad, then all this doesn't apply) > > Yes may be some things are more conducive to Truth than others > > as long as we live in duality > > but when one is Truth itself nothing makes any difference > > everything is Mine and there is no other, evil or good, I am what I am, > > and all is in Me > > > > > Marifa > > > - > Maharishi Bingo > > Tuesday, November 07, 2006 11:04 PM > Good God! > > > Dear Ones: > > If we look at linguistic structures behind thought that give birth to > language we can discover the apriori relationships that mind > perceives between God and the world. Since all religions come from the > mind, God is associated with goodness. > > Even the term God and good are related. When people are surprised, > they exclaim, "Good God!" No one says, "Bad God!" Everyone says "Good > God!". > > So in the relative perceptions associated with the mind, one is able > distinguish between good and bad but remain impartial and calm in > consciousness that allows transcendence to Sat-Chit-Ananda. If we > examine carefully the language, we do not see any bad words associated > with the Absolute, only good words. > > How can it be explained unless goodness is the bridge to the > Absolute? Just look at > Patanjali's yoga sutras. > > This apriori relationship between God and Good suggests that by being > good, we become Godlike. > > "Man was made in the image of God." By Realizing our true image, we > realize the Absolute nature as being beyond both good and bad and yet > being purely good manifesting in prakriti. > > OK, enough of that stuff. Back to Krishna Das doing his Elvis > impersonation, "Don't be cruel, to a heart thats true." > > Love and blessings > > Love, serve, and be helpful, but without getting disgusted, tired, pessimistic, > and exhausted. Blessings dear souls, blessings! > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 9, 2006 Report Share Posted November 9, 2006 That was well said, David, and let me position myself next to the raker as the fifth, and agree. I just got through jabbering elsewhere in response to the question, "Why are we even talking about concepts at all? We're supposed to be seeking to know, not to know about." But, of course, we're not 'supposed' to be doing anything but what we're doing. This is what acceptance is all about. There is, as you say, a story, and that story has to play out. Mostly, the story is about avoiding what is, and making something else happen. At the end of the story, the brave hero gives up utterly and dissolves completely. (Not likely to be a hit Disney movie.) On the issue of moral goodness preceding awakening, I just wanted to mention that this does not happen due to alignment with man's arbitrary and changing definition of morality, but with alignment with the nature of divinity. Nor is it behavioral in essence. When one has attained a state of self love, acceptance, peace, equanimity, one has released much of the struggle that locks one into the intense focus on illusion, which is an excellent place to be if one wishes to notice Truth. This state will naturally be expressed in what would generally be perceived as positive (or good) ways, but not necessarily. If one's personal moral code dictates that 'good' means working compassionately to relieve suffering, this person might be dismayed at the behavior of the 'enlightened' one who hides in a cave and does nothing to relieve the suffering of mankind. This cave dweller has noticed that nothing has gone horribly wrong to begin with, and life is a play of Consciousness that is perfection in it's essence and doesn't need to be fixed. If this moral person decides goodness means kindness and gentleness, he may be taken aback by the whack of the Zen stick or the sage who ruins his day by telling his ego something which may make him angry, but which may also set him free. Love is not always gentle. God is not always gentle and accommodating. If you will allow it, God will bring you to your knees and rip the darkness from your heart. It most assuredly is not kind and gentle, but it is Love. Phil In a message dated 11/9/2006 6:19:42 A.M. Pacific Standard Time, holmes_dc writes: One person proclaims, "The Truth is One, not two." A second responds, "The Truth is neither one nor two." A third answers, "Why speak of what Truth is or isn't." A fourth rakes leaves. Welcome to the world of nondualism, Where you're damned if you do, Damned if you don't, Forever bound, And eternally free. Is this God playing the fool, Or the fool playing God? I can't decide, So I'll take two tickets please. I completely agree with those of who say that in the ultimate sense, there is no cause and effect, no time and space, no spiritual growth and no people to be enlightened. To say that certain (good) behavior leads to enlightenment makes no sense from the highest perspective. But there is another way of looking at things, which we all do. Think of creation as a novel that has come into being spontaneously, written in its entirety. To say that one word causes the next or one page causes the next would be ridiculous. It is all just a bunch of words, which represent different concepts. You could theoretically read the pages backwards or read the words in a random order, and there would be no story at all. However, when we read the novel from start to finish, there is a story, and it is real when we identify with it. While everything is predetermined, there are certain themes in the story. One theme is that when people do good, good returns to their lives. Another theme is that there are stages of "growth." Before people walk, they crawl. Before people realize that they don't exist in the ultimate sense, they start to understand that they are connected with other people and want to do good and help them. Thus, we can say that one stage precedes the next, even if nothing ultimately causes anything. I am not saying that it is impossible for a person to realize the Self without living a moral life, but this is not common. There aren't many stories of great saints and sages who ran around and killed and robbed people immediately prior to realization. So, to say that doing good "makes" us one way or the other may not be accurate from the non-causal point of view. But it is still accurate in the scheme of the relative to say that certain things typically precede other things. Joyce, as far as the nature of evil goes, evil is just the result of ignorance of the true nature of the Self. The greater the degree of ignorance, the greater the potential for evil. When we realize we are all part of one another, there is no desire to harm others – we would be just be harming ourself, after all. In Friendship, David Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 9, 2006 Report Share Posted November 9, 2006 A THORN, A ROSE Why speak of tears and love, an incongruity, perhaps the answer is the question of why speak at all if love doesn't tear us limb to limb and torture our soul from our open mouth extracting a certain vengeance in the matter of tears and tearing-- a recognition of water we are nothing but water and salt commodities bargained for and lost perpetually abstracted and absconded a device, a thorn to remove a thorn when all we ever wanted was to be as beautiful as a Rose ;-) , souldreamone wrote: > > > That was well said, David, and let me position myself next to the raker as > the fifth, and agree. > I just got through jabbering elsewhere in response to the question, "Why are > we even talking about concepts at all? We're supposed to be seeking to know, > not to know about." But, of course, we're not 'supposed' to be doing anything > but what we're doing. This is what acceptance is all about. There is, as > you say, a story, and that story has to play out. Mostly, the story is about > avoiding what is, and making something else happen. At the end of the story, > the brave hero gives up utterly and dissolves completely. (Not likely to be a > hit Disney movie.) > > On the issue of moral goodness preceding awakening, I just wanted to mention > that this does not happen due to alignment with man's arbitrary and changing > definition of morality, but with alignment with the nature of divinity. Nor > is it behavioral in essence. When one has attained a state of self love, > acceptance, peace, equanimity, one has released much of the struggle that locks > one into the intense focus on illusion, which is an excellent place to be if > one wishes to notice Truth. > > This state will naturally be expressed in what would generally be perceived > as positive (or good) ways, but not necessarily. If one's personal moral code > dictates that 'good' means working compassionately to relieve suffering, > this person might be dismayed at the behavior of the 'enlightened' one who hides > in a cave and does nothing to relieve the suffering of mankind. This cave > dweller has noticed that nothing has gone horribly wrong to begin with, and life > is a play of Consciousness that is perfection in it's essence and doesn't > need to be fixed. If this moral person decides goodness means kindness and > gentleness, he may be taken aback by the whack of the Zen stick or the sage who > ruins his day by telling his ego something which may make him angry, but > which may also set him free. > > Love is not always gentle. God is not always gentle and accommodating. If > you will allow it, God will bring you to your knees and rip the darkness from > your heart. It most assuredly is not kind and gentle, but it is Love. > > Phil > > > > > In a message dated 11/9/2006 6:19:42 A.M. Pacific Standard Time, > holmes_dc writes: > > > One person proclaims, "The Truth is One, not two." > A second responds, "The Truth is neither one nor two." > A third answers, "Why speak of what Truth is or isn't." > A fourth rakes leaves. > > Welcome to the world of nondualism, > Where you're damned if you do, > Damned if you don't, > Forever bound, > And eternally free. > > Is this God playing the fool, > Or the fool playing God? > I can't decide, > So I'll take two tickets please. > > I completely agree with those of who say that in the ultimate sense, there > is no cause and effect, no time and space, no spiritual growth and no people > to be enlightened. To say that certain (good) behavior leads to enlightenment > makes no sense from the highest perspective. > But there is another way of looking at things, which we all do. > Think of creation as a novel that has come into being spontaneously, written > in its entirety. To say that one word causes the next or one page causes > the next would be ridiculous. It is all just a bunch of words, which > represent different concepts. You could theoretically read the pages backwards or > read the words in a random order, and there would be no story at all. > However, when we read the novel from start to finish, there is a story, and > it is real when we identify with it. While everything is predetermined, > there are certain themes in the story. One theme is that when people do good, > good returns to their lives. Another theme is that there are stages of > "growth." Before people walk, they crawl. Before people realize that they don't > exist in the ultimate sense, they start to understand that they are connected > with other people and want to do good and help them. Thus, we can say that > one stage precedes the next, even if nothing ultimately causes anything. I > am not saying that it is impossible for a person to realize the Self without > living a moral life, but this is not common. There aren't many stories of > great saints and sages who ran around and killed and robbed people immediately > prior to realization. > So, to say that doing good "makes" us one way or the other may not be > accurate from the non-causal point of view. But it is still accurate in the scheme > of the relative to say that certain things typically precede other things. > Joyce, as far as the nature of evil goes, evil is just the result of > ignorance of the true nature of the Self. The greater the degree of ignorance, the > greater the potential for evil. When we realize we are all part of one > another, there is no desire to harm others â€" we would be just be harming ourself, > after all. > In Friendship, > David > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 9, 2006 Report Share Posted November 9, 2006 Whether Enlightenment creates "proper behavior" or not is a moot point. On the other hand, if the so called guru is a dishonest and inauthentic jerk, that surely does not automatically imply Enlightenment. Have you heard of Occam's razor principle. Here it is from the Wiki. Occam's razor states that the explanation of any phenomenon</wiki/Phenomenon>should make as few assumptions as possible, eliminating, or "shaving off," those that make no difference in the observable predictions of the explanatory hypothesis </wiki/Hypothesis> or theory </wiki/Theory>. In short, when given two equally valid explanations for a phenomenon, one should embrace the less complicated formulation. The principle is often expressed in Latin as the *lex parsimoniae* (law of succinctness): Essentially, what this implies is that if a person acts in a manner lacking integrity and is dishonest and self-serving we need not find a complex explanation for such a behavior. The simplest explanation will do. Love and Blessings Maharishi Bingo - The Guru of Gurus (GOG) And Super Enlightened (SE). GOGASE On 11/9/06, souldreamone (AT) aol (DOT) com <souldreamone (AT) aol (DOT) com> wrote: > > .....in the context of nonduality, gurus and Balsekar. > I guess we could conclude that enlightenment doesn't necessarily create > 'proper' behavior. Not so coincidentally, I just got this daily quote of > Balsekar, for what it's worth. (As a disclaimer, I have no attachment one > way or the other to any guru or teaching.) > > ------------------------------ > A Net of Jewels > Ramesh S. Balsekar > http://www.advaita.org > > > > November 9 > > > > The virtue and unpretentious naturalness of the sage often goes > unnoticed because of its ordinariness. > > > ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ > > > The sage, or the wise man, is well aware of the artificialities of the > world of men. > > ------ > > In a message dated 11/8/2006 6:54:49 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, > maharishibingo writes: > > I was not talking about enlightenment but simply being a gentleman. > > Love and Blessings > Maharishi Bingo Ram > > Love, serve, and be helpful, but without getting disgusted, tired, > pessimistic, and exhausted. Blessings dear souls, blessings! > > > On 11/8/06, souldreamone (AT) aol (DOT) com <souldreamone (AT) aol (DOT) com> wrote: > > > > No human ever became enlightened, or ever will. > > > > Phil > > > > > > > > In a message dated 11/8/2006 1:51:14 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, > > maharishibingo writes: > > > > Dear One, > > > > You are perceptive indeed. Your good karma allows you to recognize > > brilliant wisdom instantly. Good deeds in past life have made you receptive > > to receive higher knowledge. I bow to your pure insights. > > > > One of the troubles with nonduality is that it allows many so called > > gurus like Ramesh Baleskar to use a standard line when they are accused of > > groping women and other lewd behavior. They simply say, "it was just my > > body/mind mechanism doing it in a pre-determined fashion." Such people have > > fragmented and unenlightened minds. > > > > I have yet to hear a guru who is accused of having an affair with some > > pretty lady simply say something like, "Well, when I saw her, my mouth hung > > wide open and I thought gee, she's really cute and wouldn't it be wonderful > > to do a few laps around the pool with her." Frankly, I prefer integrity and > > authenticity over nonduality any day. > > > > Love and Blessings > > Maharishi Bingo Ram > > > > Love, serve, and be helpful, but without getting disgusted, tired, > > pessimistic, and exhausted. Blessings dear souls, blessings! > > > > > > > > > -- Love, serve, and be helpful, but without getting disgusted, tired, pessimistic, and exhausted. Blessings dear souls, blessings! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 10, 2006 Report Share Posted November 10, 2006 Yes. Infinite potential. Infinite possibilities,. spiraling outward into the darkness and losing sight of the Source, but still the Source. Phil In a message dated 11/9/2006 10:06:24 A.M. Pacific Standard Time, e.debenedetti (AT) tiscali (DOT) it writes: Dear Bingo, from what you are saying it seems that you never heard an angry person, or just disappointed, saying bad words about God, I did. (Italy) In what world do you live? for sure it is not my world. Apriori relationship between good and God? Do you mean evil is not God's creation? (may be the good you refer to is prior to the creation of the polarity good and bad, then all this doesn't apply) Yes may be some things are more conducive to Truth than others as long as we live in duality but when one is Truth itself nothing makes any difference everything is Mine and there is no other, evil or good, I am what I am, and all is in Me Marifa - _Maharishi Bingo_ (maharishibingo ) __ () Tuesday, November 07, 2006 11:04 PM Good God! Dear Ones: If we look at linguistic structures behind thought that give birth to language we can discover the apriori relationships that mind perceives between God and the world. Since all religions come from the mind, God is associated with goodness. Even the term God and good are related. When people are surprised, they exclaim, "Good God!" No one says, "Bad God!" Everyone says "Good God!". So in the relative perceptions associated with the mind, one is able distinguish between good and bad but remain impartial and calm in consciousness that allows transcendence to Sat-Chit-Ananda. If we examine carefully the language, we do not see any bad words associated with the Absolute, only good words. How can it be explained unless goodness is the bridge to the Absolute? Just look at Patanjali's yoga sutras. This apriori relationship between God and Good suggests that by being good, we become Godlike. "Man was made in the image of God." By Realizing our true image, we realize the Absolute nature as being beyond both good and bad and yet being purely good manifesting in prakriti. OK, enough of that stuff. Back to Krishna Das doing his Elvis impersonation, "Don't be cruel, to a heart thats true." Love and blessings Love, serve, and be helpful, but without getting disgusted, tired, pessimistic, and exhausted. Blessings dear souls, blessings! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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