Self Knowledge and Self Realization-5

November 14, 2006

LIFE DIVINE AND THE SUPREME SELF

With heartfelt love and devotion, the devotee propitiates God; and when he is blessed with His vision and grace, he feels ever happy in His presence. The constant presence establishes a virtual identity between the two. While seeking the presence of the Supreme Soul, the Bhakta renounces all associations in his life, from the meanest to the best, and having purged his being of all associations, he automatically wins the association with the Supreme Self. One who has attained to the position of unstinted emancipation can never be disliked by others, for the people themselves are the very Self-luminous soul, though ignorant of the fact.

In this world of immense variety, different beings are suffering from different kinds of ailments, and yet they are not prepared to give up the physical frame, even when wailing under physical and mental pain. If this be so, then men will not be so short-sighted as to avoid their savior, the enlightened soul.

That overflowing reservoir of bliss, the beatific soul, does confer only bliss on the people by his loving light. Even the atmosphere around him heartens the suffering souls. He is like the waters of a lake that gives nourishment to the plants and trees around the brink and the grass and fields nearby. The Saint gives joy and sustaining energy to the people around him.

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from Self Knowledge and Self Realization by Nisargadatta Maharaj

http://itisnotreal.com/Self-Knowledge.html

November 15, 2006

"One who has attained to the position of unstinted emancipation can never be

disliked by others"

"The Saint gives joy and sustaining energy to the people around him."

Well, so does a hot fudge sundae, and we could ask, so what? Human

experience is dualistic and the mind will cling to this joy dispensed by the saint.

The Truth shall set you free, not dualistic "joy, bliss and loving light". Is

this to imply that the sword of Truth is an inappropriate teaching tool and

if the guru is "disliked", he can't be awakened? Am I getting Niz out of

context here?

Phil

In a message dated 11/14/2006 5:28:08 A.M. Pacific Standard Time,

shaantih (AT) comcast (DOT) net writes:

LIFE DIVINE AND THE SUPREME SELF

With heartfelt love and devotion, the devotee propitiates God; and when he

is blessed with His vision and grace, he feels ever happy in His presence. The

constant presence establishes a virtual identity between the two. While

seeking the presence of the Supreme Soul, the Bhakta renounces all associations

in his life, from the meanest to the best, and having purged his being of all

associations, he automatically wins the association with the Supreme Self.

One who has attained to the position of unstinted emancipation can never be

disliked by others, for the people themselves are the very Self-luminous soul,

though ignorant of the fact.

In this world of immense variety, different beings are suffering from

different kinds of ailments, and yet they are not prepared to give up the physical

frame, even when wailing under physical and mental pain. If this be so, then

men will not be so short-sighted as to avoid their savior, the enlightened

soul.

That overflowing reservoir of bliss, the beatific soul, does confer only

bliss on the people by his loving light. Even the atmosphere around him heartens

the suffering souls. He is like the waters of a lake that gives nourishment

to the plants and trees around the brink and the grass and fields nearby. The

Saint gives joy and sustaining energy to the people around him.

=============================================================

from Self Knowledge and Self Realization by Nisargadatta Maharaj

_http://itisnotreal.com/Self-Knowledge.html_

(http://itisnotreal.com/Self-Knowledge.html)

November 15, 2006

Yes, you are getting Niz out of context here. You also are seeing his

writing soon after his full realization and anointing. In the book I

AM THAT the issue you raise is dealt with more clearly.

Fundamentally "like" or "dislike" are concepts and a function of the

mind and the result of clinging to a self with a body, or rather,

clinging to the body as the self.

The issue of the relationship with the Guru is constantly being raised

in all of the transcripts of sessions with him. In effect if the

relationship between a "guru" and a "disciple" goes sour there never

was a real guru relationship in the first place. The idea that there

is a "guru" and something different called a "disciple" is again a set

of concepts, words to satisfy the needs of communication and the mind.

In absolute reality there is no such distinction.

Further that which is impermanent is only temporary and so hot fudge

sundaes are not fundamentally real so any pleasure derived is

illusory. The relationship with the guru is of a quite different order

of "liking". Why? Because it is precisely unitive and beyond concepts.

In Nizzy's terms any "Guru" in the body is also temporary and its

value is to point to what is real and unchanging, which is already and

always present, being beyond "time" which is also a mental construct.

Again he makes this clear in I AM THAT, and more especially in the

sessions in the last two years of his life.

Layman John

, souldreamone wrote:

>

> "One who has attained to the position of unstinted emancipation can

never be

> disliked by others"

> "The Saint gives joy and sustaining energy to the people around him."

>

> Well, so does a hot fudge sundae, and we could ask, so what? Human

> experience is dualistic and the mind will cling to this joy

dispensed by the saint.

> The Truth shall set you free, not dualistic "joy, bliss and loving

light". Is

> this to imply that the sword of Truth is an inappropriate teaching

tool and

> if the guru is "disliked", he can't be awakened? Am I getting Niz

out of

> context here?

>

> Phil

>

> In a message dated 11/14/2006 5:28:08 A.M. Pacific Standard Time,

> shaantih writes:

>

> LIFE DIVINE AND THE SUPREME SELF

>

> With heartfelt love and devotion, the devotee propitiates God; and

when he

> is blessed with His vision and grace, he feels ever happy in His

presence. The

> constant presence establishes a virtual identity between the two.

While

> seeking the presence of the Supreme Soul, the Bhakta renounces all

associations

> in his life, from the meanest to the best, and having purged his

being of all

> associations, he automatically wins the association with the

Supreme Self.

> One who has attained to the position of unstinted emancipation can

never be

> disliked by others, for the people themselves are the very

Self-luminous soul,

> though ignorant of the fact.

> In this world of immense variety, different beings are suffering from

> different kinds of ailments, and yet they are not prepared to give

up the physical

> frame, even when wailing under physical and mental pain. If this be

so, then

> men will not be so short-sighted as to avoid their savior, the

enlightened

> soul.

> That overflowing reservoir of bliss, the beatific soul, does confer

only

> bliss on the people by his loving light. Even the atmosphere around

him heartens

> the suffering souls. He is like the waters of a lake that gives

nourishment

> to the plants and trees around the brink and the grass and fields

nearby. The

> Saint gives joy and sustaining energy to the people around him.

> =============================================================

> from Self Knowledge and Self Realization by Nisargadatta Maharaj

> _http://itisnotreal.com/Self-Knowledge.html_

> (http://itisnotreal.com/Self-Knowledge.html)

>

November 16, 2006

Okay. Thanks for clarifying.

Phil

In a message dated 11/15/2006 2:37:27 PM Eastern Standard Time,

johnrloganis writes: