[sri ramanuja] Mukti/Liberation! Is it that cheap?

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srImathE rAmAnujAya namaha

srImadh varavara munayE namaha

 

Dear Sri Padmanabhan swamy,

 

Please explain this Acharya Hrudayam soothram. I am particularly

interested and am not able to understand it as it is.

 

AzhwAr emperumAnAr jeeyar thiruvadigaLE saraNam

adiyEn rAmAnuja dAsan

Thirumalai Vinjamoor Venkatesh

 

 

ramanuja, "Padmanabhan" <aazhwar wrote:

>

> Dear SreVaishNavites,

>

> I have been keenly observing the discussion on this subject.

> You would all agree that this subject is not one, which can be

settled over a few mails but can be comprehended with the help of

ones AchAryan. This is becasue the differences are not broad but fine

and the dividing line is thin and a good number of mails have been

dediated to this topic.

>

> I would like to coclude as follows:

>

> jAdhi Asrama dhEkshaigaLil bhEadikkum dharmangaL pOlEA, athANich

sEvagathil poduvAnadhu nazhuvum-AchArya Hrudhyam 31

>

> dasan

> vanamamalai padmanabhan

> -

> Vishnu

> ramanuja

> Tuesday, November 28, 2006 9:48 PM

> Re: [sri ramanuja] Mukti/Liberation! Is it that cheap?

>

>

> Dear Sriman Lakshmi Narasimhan,

>

> As we are brahmins, it may look OK for us if someone tells we

ought

> to perfrom nithya karmas like sandhyAvandanam. But are we not

cruel

> if we advise some other Perumal devotee to cut someone's hair

> ritualistically once a day to respect his varNASrama dharma?

>

> adiyen ramanuja dasan

> Vishnu

>

> ramanuja, "Lakshmi Narasimhan"

> <nrusimhann@> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Vishnu,

> >

> > Just to clarify a small comm gap that I feel exists in our

> > discussion. I am not into accusing anyone for not performing

their

> > regular duties as per shastras at all. But, what I definitely

do

> not

> > want to happen is, people to be mislead that it is ok to skip

the

> > regular duties and that just sticking to the lord's feet would

> > suffice - if we are skipping all our regular duties like nithya

> > karma, the only reason must be that we are spending all our

time

> (I

> > mean 100% of our time) in thinking about lord and doing service

to

> > the lord(state of azhwArs / purvAchAryAs). Otherwise people

like

> me,

> > would take excuse from nithya karma under the guise of

prapannan

> and

> > will misuse the concept while working for a software company

doing

> > neither service to lord nor getting a chance to think about him

> even

> > once a day:) These people will give up shastras and at the same

> time

> > will be incomplete prapannas as they spend their time in other

> > materialistic stuffs. And hence I still stick to the point that

> > Thennacharya Sampradayam (though it does not explicitly accuse

> those

> > who donot follow shastras), DOES NOT definitely encourages us

to

> give

> > up following shastras in compromise to other material

pleasures.

> > There is a widely known confusion and misinformation about TK

> > sampradayam that it encourages only vishesha dharma and to give

up

> > the sAmAnya dharma and I am never able to stomach the same:)

and

> > hence I've been posting these.

> >

> > Kindly pardon for mistakes.

> >

> > adiyEn,

> > dAsan

> >

> >

>

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srImathE rAmAnujAya namaha

srImadh varavara munayE namaha

 

Dear Sri Lakshmi Narasimhan,

 

I believe you have not understood Sri Vishnu's message correctly.

What he intends to say is, as mOksham is granted for all jeevAthmAs

irrespective of the caste they belong to, is it not inappropriate to

force a ritual, (which supposedly a person of a caste believes will

lead him to mOksha) on another caste which for which it was never

ordained.

 

This is a real example that, adhering to sAsthrAs has no connection

to the grace of emperumAn.

 

I am sure Sri Vishnu is not leading anyone into a varNasrama dharma

topic.

 

Sri Vishnu,

 

Please correct me if I am wrong in understanding your intentions.

 

AzhwAr emperumAnAr jeeyar thiruvadigaLE saraNam

adiyEn rAmAnuja dAsan

Thirumalai Vinjamoor Venkatesh

 

ramanuja, "Lakshmi Narasimhan"

<nrusimhann wrote:

>

> Dear Vishnu,

> You are pulling me into varNASrama dharma topic now First of all

> there is a major misconception about varNASrama dharma itself. Most

> of us have been told that we must follow varNASrama dharma as per

the

> Manu Smruthi. This is wrong. Manu Smruthi is only for Krutha Yuga.

> Its applicability was not intended for Kali Yuga. We must practice

> parASara smruthi in Kali Yuga. Now what does parASara smruthi tell?

I

> would sincerely request those who are interested to buy a book on

the

> same and read it through as it is very simple and self explanatory.

>

> Coming back to cutting hair etc,

> a) It is a commonly known fact that the vedas are only for those

who

> have pUNUl(sacred thread). Now, for those who do not have this,

vedas

> do not mandate anything. It is smruthi that governs these. And

these

> smruthi are not forcing any non-brahmins to cut someone's hair etc -

 

> I have no clue on where from you grabbed this info. As I had

> suggested, please please please do read the parASara smruthi to get

> very good clarity on these.

> b) Also, do not say that cutting someone's hair is bad. It may look

> like a low profile job for those who don't care for. Every job is a

> way of worship to lord for each person. Anyways, this discussion

will

> get nowhere if we get into varNASrama dharma issues:)

>

> adiyEn,

> dAsan.

>

>

> ramanuja, "Vishnu" <vsmvishnu@> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Sriman Lakshmi Narasimhan,

> >

> > As we are brahmins, it may look OK for us if someone tells we

ought

> > to perfrom nithya karmas like sandhyAvandanam. But are we not

cruel

> > if we advise some other Perumal devotee to cut someone's hair

> > ritualistically once a day to respect his varNASrama dharma?

> >

> > adiyen ramanuja dasan

> > Vishnu

> >

> >

> > ramanuja, "Lakshmi Narasimhan"

> > <nrusimhann@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Vishnu,

> > >

> > > Just to clarify a small comm gap that I feel exists in our

> > > discussion. I am not into accusing anyone for not performing

> their

> > > regular duties as per shastras at all. But, what I definitely

do

> > not

> > > want to happen is, people to be mislead that it is ok to skip

the

> > > regular duties and that just sticking to the lord's feet would

> > > suffice - if we are skipping all our regular duties like nithya

> > > karma, the only reason must be that we are spending all our

time

> > (I

> > > mean 100% of our time) in thinking about lord and doing service

> to

> > > the lord(state of azhwArs / purvAchAryAs). Otherwise people

like

> > me,

> > > would take excuse from nithya karma under the guise of

prapannan

> > and

> > > will misuse the concept while working for a software company

> doing

> > > neither service to lord nor getting a chance to think about him

> > even

> > > once a day:) These people will give up shastras and at the same

> > time

> > > will be incomplete prapannas as they spend their time in other

> > > materialistic stuffs. And hence I still stick to the point that

> > > Thennacharya Sampradayam (though it does not explicitly accuse

> > those

> > > who donot follow shastras), DOES NOT definitely encourages us

to

> > give

> > > up following shastras in compromise to other material

pleasures.

> > > There is a widely known confusion and misinformation about TK

> > > sampradayam that it encourages only vishesha dharma and to give

> up

> > > the sAmAnya dharma and I am never able to stomach the same:)

and

> > > hence I've been posting these.

> > >

> > > Kindly pardon for mistakes.

> > >

> > > adiyEn,

> > > dAsan

> > >

> > >

> >

>