[sri ramanuja] Mukti/Liberation! Is it that cheap?

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Dear Sriman Hari,

 

I am neither an elder nor trying to enlighten, but would like to

share you the simplciity and universality of Srivaishnavism.

 

In Ramanuja sampradayam, mukti/liberation is cheaper than it is

protrayed/interpreted in the texts you refer to as "Shastras". The

only prerequsite is Lord's will to grant it. One may say this sounds

illogical, but those who are blessed are blessed without logic, says

Nammazhwar (verdihE aruL seivar - translated by Vedanthacharya as

atarkita anugrahatvam).

 

Devotion, accepting a great Bhagavata as one's guru and following

his words are His sweet blessings and true to our nature, not any

means to reach Him. Not consuming liquor, meat etc. is for our good

health. There were even "Svapachas" or dog-eaters who were mahA

vasihNavOttamas, but that is not the general practice!

 

adiyen ramanuja dasan

Vishnu

 

 

ramanuja, Deepak Vinod <deepak.vinod

wrote:

>

> Shri Hari

>

> Respected elders!

>

> Please enlighten me on an issue that has been lingering on my mind

for a

> while..

>

> Is Mukti/Liberation as cheap as it is "portrayed/interpreted" as

in our

> Shastras???

>

> In my very little reading recently I have come across many

places/references

> that I am sure everyone has themselves come across where the

Shastra says

>

> If one .................................. he/she will be given

liberation.

>

> The gap can be filled with many references from our

shastras....for eg

>

> a) does Tirth darshan of xxxxxxxx or yyyyyyyyyyy

> b) has a bathe in the river xxxxxxxxxxxxxx (like Ganga, Jamuna,

Radha Kund)

> c) drinks the charnamrita of Lord in his Deity or Salagram form,

as per..

> Akaal mrityu harnam, Sarva vyadhi vinashanam, Vishno(Salagram)

padodakam

> pitva, punar janma na vidyate

> d) Offers one tulasi to the Lord (in the month of Kartika)

> e) does dIpa dAnam to the Lord in kArtika

> Similarly in various stotras or prayers written for the Lord...I

am sure the

> respected elders have come across stotras etc where in it there

lies mention

> of one who reads this nn number of times or on a certain day like

pUrnimA or

> ekAdasi etc are given Liberation.....

>

> So as a young person I believe and see that

> a) in this world that good things come with hard work

> b) People sacrifice their whole life to get the love of the Lord

> c) people in the past (ages and yugas) have gone through enormous

pain to

> enter the Lord's divya Dhaams

>

> So for me...it seems that Mukti or Liberation is percieved as so

cheap that

> one can go to a local travel agent, book a ticket to a certain

Teerth sthaan

> and visit and take darshan and as a result attain a GUARANTEED

ticket to the

> LORDS DHAAM when they leave their body....and irrespective of what

the

> person does in their daily lives....including

> a) not taking shelter of Acharyen

> b) be involved in consuming Liquor and meat

> c) not practising devotion in their daily lives

>

>

> I am not contesting our shastras...I have great faith in them...

I believe

> that I am not interpreting them correctly as per the "desired"

meaning.

> So please I beg the respected and Wise elders to enlighten me to

what

> "seems" as a great inconsistency, unfairness, anomaly in our

shastras.

> Please pardon my offences...I am genuinely seeking enlightenment.

>

> Your servant.

> Deepak

>

> Shri Hari

> Narayana Narayana Narayana

>

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Respected swamies Aneka Vandanams

Jnanath eva Moksham and Moksham is liberation from all bonds and no dasayam .This is the jist of what advaithins say.Ofcourse quoting scriptures.Moksham is liberation and how contrary concept of dasyam at Vaikuntam or Kailasam could be Moksham? This is the poser they put us.I am armed with sri.Velkudi swamys' arguement to counter their arguement but still I am unable to drive home my point.I need certain clinching scriptural quotes also logic.I will be happy to know them not for convincing them but to develop deep conviction with in myself.I know I cannot convince one who is convinced to the contrary.

Dasan

V.Krishnamachary

Vishnu <vsmvishnu (AT) (DOT) co.in> wrote:

Dear Sriman Hari,

 

I am neither an elder nor trying to enlighten, but would like to

share you the simplciity and universality of Srivaishnavism.

 

In Ramanuja sampradayam, mukti/liberation is cheaper than it is

protrayed/interpreted in the texts you refer to as "Shastras". The

only prerequsite is Lord's will to grant it. One may say this sounds

illogical, but those who are blessed are blessed without logic, says

Nammazhwar (verdihE aruL seivar - translated by Vedanthacharya as

atarkita anugrahatvam).

 

Devotion, accepting a great Bhagavata as one's guru and following

his words are His sweet blessings and true to our nature, not any

means to reach Him. Not consuming liquor, meat etc. is for our good

health. There were even "Svapachas" or dog-eaters who were mahA

vasihNavOttamas, but that is not the general practice!

 

adiyen ramanuja dasan

Vishnu

 

ramanuja, Deepak Vinod <deepak.vinod

wrote:

>

> Shri Hari

>

> Respected elders!

>

> Please enlighten me on an issue that has been lingering on my mind

for a

> while..

>

> Is Mukti/Liberation as cheap as it is "portrayed/interpreted" as

in our

> Shastras???

>

> In my very little reading recently I have come across many

places/references

> that I am sure everyone has themselves come across where the

Shastra says

>

> If one .................................. he/she will be given

liberation.

>

> The gap can be filled with many references from our

shastras....for eg

>

> a) does Tirth darshan of xxxxxxxx or yyyyyyyyyyy

> b) has a bathe in the river xxxxxxxxxxxxxx (like Ganga, Jamuna,

Radha Kund)

> c) drinks the charnamrita of Lord in his Deity or Salagram form,

as per..

> Akaal mrityu harnam, Sarva vyadhi vinashanam, Vishno(Salagram)

padodakam

> pitva, punar janma na vidyate

> d) Offers one tulasi to the Lord (in the month of Kartika)

> e) does dIpa dAnam to the Lord in kArtika

> Similarly in various stotras or prayers written for the Lord...I

am sure the

> respected elders have come across stotras etc where in it there

lies mention

> of one who reads this nn number of times or on a certain day like

pUrnimA or

> ekAdasi etc are given Liberation.....

>

> So as a young person I believe and see that

> a) in this world that good things come with hard work

> b) People sacrifice their whole life to get the love of the Lord

> c) people in the past (ages and yugas) have gone through enormous

pain to

> enter the Lord's divya Dhaams

>

> So for me...it seems that Mukti or Liberation is percieved as so

cheap that

> one can go to a local travel agent, book a ticket to a certain

Teerth sthaan

> and visit and take darshan and as a result attain a GUARANTEED

ticket to the

> LORDS DHAAM when they leave their body....and irrespective of what

the

> person does in their daily lives....including

> a) not taking shelter of Acharyen

> b) be involved in consuming Liquor and meat

> c) not practising devotion in their daily lives

>

>

> I am not contesting our shastras...I have great faith in them...

I believe

> that I am not interpreting them correctly as per the "desired"

meaning.

> So please I beg the respected and Wise elders to enlighten me to

what

> "seems" as a great inconsistency, unfairness, anomaly in our

shastras.

> Please pardon my offences...I am genuinely seeking enlightenment.

>

> Your servant.

> Deepak

>

> Shri Hari

> Narayana Narayana Narayana

>

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Dear bHAgawatHAs

 

Adiyen is so ignorant that adiyen could not produce

any proof to provide here. But would like to share a

beautiful message given by Srila. Prabhupada about

this topic.

 

Every one thinks mukthi is the state where you are no

more serving any one (advithis). But in actuality is

as long as we are not attaining mukthi, we are either

serving our senses or our self in one way or the

other. Hence Mukthi should be a state not serving

one's senses. Since that action is resulting in

reaction (many times harmful) and neither a person

will be able to keep quiet as long as the soul is

attached to this body. Hence we need to perform

action. In order to nullify the reaction, we have to

perform action which will not produce reaction which

is to serve supreme.

 

Now slightly deviating, the original constitutional

position of jiva which is part and parcel of Supreme

is to serve him similar to body serving our soul. For

example just like our hand or leg to our body. As long

as it is cooperating, the body is able to function

normally, and the soul is able to carry out every

desire it wants to fullfill. On the other hand if the

hand is independently acting how that can be useful

for the soul or the body part involved in discussion,

as the soul will not reside in the body with out other

part cooperating neither the body will get nourishment

with out soul. So from the body aspect we are

depending on the soul to Govern us, meaning we have to

serve the supreme who is the soul of our soul. And

just as the body depend on the soul for its existance,

we are depending on the paramAthmA where as just as

the soul need not have to depend on one body,

paramAthmA need not have to depend on us. Hence he is

independent.

 

Hence with out serving him we are out of our

constitutional position hence we will not be happy.

Once we start serving him through the grace of AchAryA

and serving AcHAryA, we get back the knowledge of that

original constitutional position with supreme. Hence

the AcHAryAs and bHaghavathAs are more than supreme

him self.

 

This was enough for this arivili to get convinced

about mukthi and the relationship with the supreme.

 

dHanyosmi

 

rAmAnuja dAsan

 

Suresh

 

 

--- vedantham chary <vedantham_krishna >

wrote:

 

> Respected swamies Aneka Vandanams

> Jnanath eva Moksham and Moksham is liberation from

> all bonds and no dasayam .This is the jist of what

> advaithins say.Ofcourse quoting scriptures.Moksham

> is liberation and how contrary concept of dasyam at

> Vaikuntam or Kailasam could be Moksham? This is the

> poser they put us.I am armed with sri.Velkudi

> swamys' arguement to counter their arguement but

> still I am unable to drive home my point.I need

> certain clinching scriptural quotes also logic.I

> will be happy to know them not for convincing them

> but to develop deep conviction with in myself.I know

> I cannot convince one who is convinced to the

> contrary.

> Dasan

> V.Krishnamachary

> Vishnu <vsmvishnu (AT) (DOT) co.in> wrote:

> Dear Sriman Hari,

>

> I am neither an elder nor trying to enlighten, but

> would like to

> share you the simplciity and universality of

> Srivaishnavism.

>

> In Ramanuja sampradayam, mukti/liberation is cheaper

> than it is

> protrayed/interpreted in the texts you refer to as

> "Shastras". The

> only prerequsite is Lord's will to grant it. One may

> say this sounds

> illogical, but those who are blessed are blessed

> without logic, says

> Nammazhwar (verdihE aruL seivar - translated by

> Vedanthacharya as

> atarkita anugrahatvam).

>

> Devotion, accepting a great Bhagavata as one's guru

> and following

> his words are His sweet blessings and true to our

> nature, not any

> means to reach Him. Not consuming liquor, meat etc.

> is for our good

> health. There were even "Svapachas" or dog-eaters

> who were mahA

> vasihNavOttamas, but that is not the general

> practice!

>

> adiyen ramanuja dasan

> Vishnu

>

> ramanuja, Deepak Vinod

> <deepak.vinod

> wrote:

> >

> > Shri Hari

> >

> > Respected elders!

> >

> > Please enlighten me on an issue that has been

> lingering on my mind

> for a

> > while..

> >

> > Is Mukti/Liberation as cheap as it is

> "portrayed/interpreted" as

> in our

> > Shastras???

> >

> > In my very little reading recently I have come

> across many

> places/references

> > that I am sure everyone has themselves come across

> where the

> Shastra says

> >

> > If one .................................. he/she

> will be given

> liberation.

> >

> > The gap can be filled with many references from

> our

> shastras....for eg

> >

> > a) does Tirth darshan of xxxxxxxx or yyyyyyyyyyy

> > b) has a bathe in the river xxxxxxxxxxxxxx (like

> Ganga, Jamuna,

> Radha Kund)

> > c) drinks the charnamrita of Lord in his Deity or

> Salagram form,

> as per..

> > Akaal mrityu harnam, Sarva vyadhi vinashanam,

> Vishno(Salagram)

> padodakam

> > pitva, punar janma na vidyate

> > d) Offers one tulasi to the Lord (in the month of

> Kartika)

> > e) does dIpa dAnam to the Lord in kArtika

> > Similarly in various stotras or prayers written

> for the Lord...I

> am sure the

> > respected elders have come across stotras etc

> where in it there

> lies mention

> > of one who reads this nn number of times or on a

> certain day like

> pUrnimA or

> > ekAdasi etc are given Liberation.....

> >

> > So as a young person I believe and see that

> > a) in this world that good things come with hard

> work

> > b) People sacrifice their whole life to get the

> love of the Lord

> > c) people in the past (ages and yugas) have gone

> through enormous

> pain to

> > enter the Lord's divya Dhaams

> >

> > So for me...it seems that Mukti or Liberation is

> percieved as so

> cheap that

> > one can go to a local travel agent, book a ticket

> to a certain

> Teerth sthaan

> > and visit and take darshan and as a result attain

> a GUARANTEED

> ticket to the

> > LORDS DHAAM when they leave their body....and

> irrespective of what

> the

> > person does in their daily lives....including

> > a) not taking shelter of Acharyen

> > b) be involved in consuming Liquor and meat

> > c) not practising devotion in their daily lives

> >

> >

> > I am not contesting our shastras...I have great

> faith in them...

> I believe

> > that I am not interpreting them correctly as per

> the "desired"

> meaning.

> > So please I beg the respected and Wise elders to

> enlighten me to

> what

> > "seems" as a great inconsistency, unfairness,

> anomaly in our

> shastras.

> > Please pardon my offences...I am genuinely seeking

> enlightenment.

> >

> > Your servant.

> > Deepak

> >

> > Shri Hari

> > Narayana Narayana Narayana

> >

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

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