[sri ramanuja] When PerarulAlan at Hastigiri is there, Do we need one more avatArA?

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Sri:||

 

Dear BhagavathAs,

 

Adiyen after analysing for so many days, yesterday

when

adiyEn was listenening to the UpanyAsam of Sri.U.Ve.

Velukkudi Krishnan Swamin on “Devaperumalin

aaruvaarthaigal”, immediately struck with the answer

for the question of “Can't our Lord take one more

Avatara?”

 

Let us start from the beginning with five forms of our

 

emperuman. As we know, Lord exists in five forms as

follows:

 

1)Param – Paramapada nAthan at Sri Vaikuntam

2)VyUham – Sheerabdhi nAthan at ThirupAr kadal

3)Vibhavam – Rama, Krishna avatAram

4)AntharyAmi – Inside jeevAtma (?)

5)Archai – Divyadesams such as Sri Rangam, Aththigiri,

Thirukkannapuram, etc.,

 

In the above, Param is the home for our emperumAn

where He gives sEva to pirAttiyArs, nithyasUris such

as VishvaksEnar, KarudAlwar, Ananthan(AthisEshan),

etc.,

 

VyUham is place where emperumAn sleeps above

AdhisEshan on ThirupAr kadal gives sEva to Brahma,

RudhrAdhi's and other Devars (“ayarvarum amarargal

athipathi” - Nammalwar)

 

Vibhavam had happened once up on a time, during that

time we were not there. During RamavatAram, Rama gave

sEvai to AyOdhyA peoples Krishna for gOpikAs and

bhakthAs like Arjuna, Vithurar, etc., This avatAram

has time limit which is unlike Param, VyUham,

AntharyAmi,

and Archai.

 

AntharyAmi – He lives inside everyone, but none

capable to recognize Him.

 

Archai – Only in this form, our beloved Emperuman

gives sEvai to all irrespective of whether he/she has

yOgyadhai to attain salvation. Eventhough if we had

committed mahApApams, emperumAn due to His nirhEthuka

krupai gives His sEvai (visible to us) only in this

ArchAvatAram.

 

1) If you attain salvation, then only you can have

nithya sEva of Paramapada nAthan.

2) If you are one among dEvar's, you can have sEva of

SheerAbdhi nAthan.

3) Vibhavam – no way for us to take birth during

VibhavAvatAram which happened once up on a time.

4) AntharyAmi – eventhough He resides inside us, we

don't have that much gn~anam to recognize Him.

5) Archai – easier for everyone to have His sEva in

this world who lost His sEva in the above four forms.

 

Now our poorvAchAryars compared the above five forms

with 5 water bodies.

 

The first form Param is like “Avarana jalam”. It is

said that, each andam is covered with saptha (seven)

Avarana jalam. We didn't know about how Avarana jalam

would be? We dont have knowledge about it. Similarly,

we don't know about how Paramapada nAthan would be.

 

The second form VyUham is like “pArkadal”. We know

about the milk. We have the knowledge of how milk

would be, it's colour, taste, roopam, etc., But we

haven't seen the ocean filled up with full of milk. We

can ONLY imagine how would be an ocean of milk.

Similarly, we can only IMAGINE how SheerAdbdhi nAthan

would be. We can't see Him.

 

The third form Vibhavam is like “perukkAru”. During

rainy season, due to heavy floods, new river streams

and water bodies will emerge. After some time, there

won't be paths of that newly developed streams. All

will vanish. Only at some places we can see water

stagnating at some places. Similarly, Rama Krishna

avatAram had taken once upon a time, but now, we are

having only the divyadesams like AyOdhya, DwAraka,

etc., which is like the stagnating water after the

avatAram had finished.

 

The fourth form AntharyAmi is like “thrivEni”. At

thrivEni sangamam, peoples says that, the third water

body which is not visible to human eye, will join

(sangamam) with the two river under the ground.

Similarly AntharyAmi – eventhough it is said that He

is inside us, He is not visible to us easily.

 

The fifth form Archai is like everflowing river like

Ganga, Cauvery where peoples like us can see at all

times. Whether he/she is sandAlan or punyAthmA, these

holy rivers removes their sins. Similarly, in

archAvatAram our bhagvAn gives His sEvai to all

peoples irrespective of their punyam / pApams and due

to nirhEthuka kripai He removes all their sins.

 

Our Azhwars and poorvAchAryars all dwelled up on with

ArchAvatAram only. Thondaradipodi Azhwar, in his

ThirumAlai, says:

 

“...achuvai perinum vEndEn......”

 

Azhwar simply rejects anubhavam at Sri Vaikuntam

(Paramapadham).

 

ThirupAnAzhwAr says:

 

“andarkOn aniyarangan en amudhinaik-

kanda kangal maRonrinai kAnAvE “ (AmalanAthipirAn)

 

Azhwar simply rejects darshan of any after having

darshan of Periya Perumal Sri Ranganathar at Sri

Rangam.

 

BhoodhathAzhwAr says:

 

“manathullAn vEnkatathAn mAkadalAn...”

(IrandAm thiruvanthAdhi, 28)

 

Azhwar says, Only archai (vEnkatathAn) resides

inside him – manathullAn, then only azhwar says

about mAkadalAn – vyUham.

 

Our AchAryar Sri ParAsara Bhattar, longed for

anubhavam with Sri Renganayaki sametha Sri RenganAthar

only. He used say with Namperumal that, “ I will go

and see in Paramapadam. I dont want your sEvai as like

your sEvai with nithyasUris. If you are not like as in

Sri Rangam, I will stand at the end of Paramapadam and

JUMP from there to this world.” It shows clearly how

our Acharyar Bhattar loved ArchAvatAram of NamperumAl

at Sri Rangam.

 

When our

 

Hastigiri pErarulAlan,

Thirukannapuram Sowri rAja perumAl,

Sri Rangam Namperumal,

ThiruvallikEni pArthasArathi,

Thirukudanthai ArAvamudan were present,

 

did adiyEn need any more avatAra of Him?

DEFINITELY NOT!!!

 

adiyEn,

senthil.b

 

 

 

 

>

> --- shekar babu <prs_raaj (AT) (DOT) co.in> wrote:

>

> > Om namo narayanaya.

> >

> > Dear Swamin,

> >

> > God Srimannarayana has taken ten avataraas to

> > shista rakshana and dusta shikshana. At that time

> > rakshasas were great bhaktaas, but they have

> called

> > so because of only one of their mistake or

> > misbehaviour. To save from them God has come to

> > Earth by taking avataraas.

> >

> > Presently we know how many types of Rakshas are

> > there in around us, In one every human body so

> many

> > types of rakshaas are there. Can't God is going to

> > save us from them. According to my knowledge only

> > God can make us change our lives.

> >

> > Can any body teach me that when is God going to

> > come ?

> >

> > namostuthe

> >

> > Shekar

> >

> >

> >

> >

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Dear Senthil Swamin

 

It is "amudha mozhigal" (devine necter)

 

dHanyosmi

 

adiyEn rAmAnuja dAsan

 

Suresh

 

--- senthil b <b_senthil2002 (AT) (DOT) co.in> wrote:

 

> Sri:||

>

> Dear BhagavathAs,

>

> Adiyen after analysing for so many days, yesterday

> when

> adiyEn was listenening to the UpanyAsam of Sri.U.Ve.

>

> Velukkudi Krishnan Swamin on “Devaperumalin

> aaruvaarthaigal”, immediately struck with the answer

>

> for the question of “Can't our Lord take one more

> Avatara?”

>

> Let us start from the beginning with five forms of

> our

>

> emperuman. As we know, Lord exists in five forms as

> follows:

>

> 1)Param – Paramapada nAthan at Sri Vaikuntam

> 2)VyUham – Sheerabdhi nAthan at ThirupAr kadal

> 3)Vibhavam – Rama, Krishna avatAram

> 4)AntharyAmi – Inside jeevAtma (?)

> 5)Archai – Divyadesams such as Sri Rangam,

> Aththigiri,

> Thirukkannapuram, etc.,

>

> In the above, Param is the home for our emperumAn

> where He gives sEva to pirAttiyArs, nithyasUris such

> as VishvaksEnar, KarudAlwar, Ananthan(AthisEshan),

> etc.,

>

> VyUham is place where emperumAn sleeps above

> AdhisEshan on ThirupAr kadal gives sEva to Brahma,

> RudhrAdhi's and other Devars (“ayarvarum amarargal

>

> athipathi” - Nammalwar)

>

> Vibhavam had happened once up on a time, during that

> time we were not there. During RamavatAram, Rama

> gave

> sEvai to AyOdhyA peoples Krishna for gOpikAs and

> bhakthAs like Arjuna, Vithurar, etc., This avatAram

> has time limit which is unlike Param, VyUham,

> AntharyAmi,

> and Archai.

>

> AntharyAmi – He lives inside everyone, but none

> capable to recognize Him.

>

> Archai – Only in this form, our beloved Emperuman

> gives sEvai to all irrespective of whether he/she

> has

> yOgyadhai to attain salvation. Eventhough if we had

> committed mahApApams, emperumAn due to His

> nirhEthuka

> krupai gives His sEvai (visible to us) only in this

> ArchAvatAram.

>

> 1) If you attain salvation, then only you can have

> nithya sEva of Paramapada nAthan.

> 2) If you are one among dEvar's, you can have sEva

> of

> SheerAbdhi nAthan.

> 3) Vibhavam – no way for us to take birth during

> VibhavAvatAram which happened once up on a time.

> 4) AntharyAmi – eventhough He resides inside us, we

> don't have that much gn~anam to recognize Him.

> 5) Archai – easier for everyone to have His sEva in

> this world who lost His sEva in the above four

> forms.

>

> Now our poorvAchAryars compared the above five forms

> with 5 water bodies.

>

> The first form Param is like “Avarana jalam”. It is

> said that, each andam is covered with saptha (seven)

> Avarana jalam. We didn't know about how Avarana

> jalam

> would be? We dont have knowledge about it.

> Similarly,

> we don't know about how Paramapada nAthan would be.

>

> The second form VyUham is like “pArkadal”. We know

> about the milk. We have the knowledge of how milk

> would be, it's colour, taste, roopam, etc., But we

> haven't seen the ocean filled up with full of milk.

> We

> can ONLY imagine how would be an ocean of milk.

> Similarly, we can only IMAGINE how SheerAdbdhi

> nAthan

> would be. We can't see Him.

>

> The third form Vibhavam is like “perukkAru”. During

> rainy season, due to heavy floods, new river streams

> and water bodies will emerge. After some time, there

> won't be paths of that newly developed streams. All

> will vanish. Only at some places we can see water

> stagnating at some places. Similarly, Rama Krishna

> avatAram had taken once upon a time, but now, we are

> having only the divyadesams like AyOdhya, DwAraka,

> etc., which is like the stagnating water after the

> avatAram had finished.

>

> The fourth form AntharyAmi is like “thrivEni”. At

> thrivEni sangamam, peoples says that, the third

> water

> body which is not visible to human eye, will join

> (sangamam) with the two river under the ground.

> Similarly AntharyAmi – eventhough it is said that He

>

> is inside us, He is not visible to us easily.

>

> The fifth form Archai is like everflowing river like

> Ganga, Cauvery where peoples like us can see at all

> times. Whether he/she is sandAlan or punyAthmA,

> these

> holy rivers removes their sins. Similarly, in

> archAvatAram our bhagvAn gives His sEvai to all

> peoples irrespective of their punyam / pApams and

> due

> to nirhEthuka kripai He removes all their sins.

>

> Our Azhwars and poorvAchAryars all dwelled up on

> with

> ArchAvatAram only. Thondaradipodi Azhwar, in his

> ThirumAlai, says:

>

> “...achuvai perinum vEndEn......”

>

> Azhwar simply rejects anubhavam at Sri Vaikuntam

> (Paramapadham).

>

> ThirupAnAzhwAr says:

>

> “andarkOn aniyarangan en amudhinaik-

> kanda kangal maRonrinai kAnAvE “ (AmalanAthipirAn)

>

> Azhwar simply rejects darshan of any after having

> darshan of Periya Perumal Sri Ranganathar at Sri

> Rangam.

>

> BhoodhathAzhwAr says:

>

> “manathullAn vEnkatathAn mAkadalAn...”

> (IrandAm thiruvanthAdhi, 28)

>

> Azhwar says, Only archai (vEnkatathAn) resides

> inside him – manathullAn, then only azhwar says

> about mAkadalAn – vyUham.

>

> Our AchAryar Sri ParAsara Bhattar, longed for

> anubhavam with Sri Renganayaki sametha Sri

> RenganAthar

> only. He used say with Namperumal that, “ I will go

> and see in Paramapadam. I dont want your sEvai as

> like

> your sEvai with nithyasUris. If you are not like as

> in

> Sri Rangam, I will stand at the end of Paramapadam

> and

> JUMP from there to this world.” It shows clearly how

> our Acharyar Bhattar loved ArchAvatAram of

> NamperumAl

> at Sri Rangam.

>

> When our

>

> Hastigiri pErarulAlan,

> Thirukannapuram Sowri rAja perumAl,

> Sri Rangam Namperumal,

> ThiruvallikEni pArthasArathi,

> Thirukudanthai ArAvamudan were present,

>

> did adiyEn need any more avatAra of Him?

> DEFINITELY NOT!!!

>

> adiyEn,

> senthil.b

>

>

>

>

> >

> > --- shekar babu <prs_raaj (AT) (DOT) co.in> wrote:

> >

> > > Om namo narayanaya.

> > >

> > > Dear Swamin,

> > >

> > > God Srimannarayana has taken ten avataraas to

> > > shista rakshana and dusta shikshana. At that

> time

> > > rakshasas were great bhaktaas, but they have

> > called

> > > so because of only one of their mistake or

> > > misbehaviour. To save from them God has come to

> > > Earth by taking avataraas.

> > >

> > > Presently we know how many types of Rakshas are

>

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