[sri ramanuja] When PerarulAlan at Hastigiri is there, Do we need one more avatArA?

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Dear Sriman Senthil,

 

The very subject of the message is so sweet that it reminded me of

the divine beautiful thirumeni of Devadhirajan. Your choice of

thirukkudanthai Sarngapani perumal towards the end is just right!

 

adiyen ramanuja dasan

Vishnu

 

ramanuja, senthil b <b_senthil2002 wrote:

>

> Sri:||

>

> Dear BhagavathAs,

>

> Adiyen after analysing for so many days, yesterday

> when

> adiyEn was listenening to the UpanyAsam of Sri.U.Ve.

> Velukkudi Krishnan Swamin on "Devaperumalin

> aaruvaarthaigal", immediately struck with the answer

> for the question of "Can't our Lord take one more

> Avatara?"

>

> Let us start from the beginning with five forms of our

>

> emperuman. As we know, Lord exists in five forms as

> follows:

>

> 1)Param – Paramapada nAthan at Sri Vaikuntam

> 2)VyUham – Sheerabdhi nAthan at ThirupAr kadal

> 3)Vibhavam – Rama, Krishna avatAram

> 4)AntharyAmi – Inside jeevAtma (?)

> 5)Archai – Divyadesams such as Sri Rangam, Aththigiri,

> Thirukkannapuram, etc.,

>

> In the above, Param is the home for our emperumAn

> where He gives sEva to pirAttiyArs, nithyasUris such

> as VishvaksEnar, KarudAlwar, Ananthan(AthisEshan),

> etc.,

>

> VyUham is place where emperumAn sleeps above

> AdhisEshan on ThirupAr kadal gives sEva to Brahma,

> RudhrAdhi's and other Devars ("ayarvarum amarargal

> athipathi" - Nammalwar)

>

> Vibhavam had happened once up on a time, during that

> time we were not there. During RamavatAram, Rama gave

> sEvai to AyOdhyA peoples Krishna for gOpikAs and

> bhakthAs like Arjuna, Vithurar, etc., This avatAram

> has time limit which is unlike Param, VyUham,

> AntharyAmi,

> and Archai.

>

> AntharyAmi – He lives inside everyone, but none

> capable to recognize Him.

>

> Archai – Only in this form, our beloved Emperuman

> gives sEvai to all irrespective of whether he/she has

> yOgyadhai to attain salvation. Eventhough if we had

> committed mahApApams, emperumAn due to His nirhEthuka

> krupai gives His sEvai (visible to us) only in this

> ArchAvatAram.

>

> 1) If you attain salvation, then only you can have

> nithya sEva of Paramapada nAthan.

> 2) If you are one among dEvar's, you can have sEva of

> SheerAbdhi nAthan.

> 3) Vibhavam – no way for us to take birth during

> VibhavAvatAram which happened once up on a time.

> 4) AntharyAmi – eventhough He resides inside us, we

> don't have that much gn~anam to recognize Him.

> 5) Archai – easier for everyone to have His sEva in

> this world who lost His sEva in the above four forms.

>

> Now our poorvAchAryars compared the above five forms

> with 5 water bodies.

>

> The first form Param is like "Avarana jalam". It is

> said that, each andam is covered with saptha (seven)

> Avarana jalam. We didn't know about how Avarana jalam

> would be? We dont have knowledge about it. Similarly,

> we don't know about how Paramapada nAthan would be.

>

> The second form VyUham is like "pArkadal". We know

> about the milk. We have the knowledge of how milk

> would be, it's colour, taste, roopam, etc., But we

> haven't seen the ocean filled up with full of milk. We

> can ONLY imagine how would be an ocean of milk.

> Similarly, we can only IMAGINE how SheerAdbdhi nAthan

> would be. We can't see Him.

>

> The third form Vibhavam is like "perukkAru". During

> rainy season, due to heavy floods, new river streams

> and water bodies will emerge. After some time, there

> won't be paths of that newly developed streams. All

> will vanish. Only at some places we can see water

> stagnating at some places. Similarly, Rama Krishna

> avatAram had taken once upon a time, but now, we are

> having only the divyadesams like AyOdhya, DwAraka,

> etc., which is like the stagnating water after the

> avatAram had finished.

>

> The fourth form AntharyAmi is like "thrivEni". At

> thrivEni sangamam, peoples says that, the third water

> body which is not visible to human eye, will join

> (sangamam) with the two river under the ground.

> Similarly AntharyAmi – eventhough it is said that He

> is inside us, He is not visible to us easily.

>

> The fifth form Archai is like everflowing river like

> Ganga, Cauvery where peoples like us can see at all

> times. Whether he/she is sandAlan or punyAthmA, these

> holy rivers removes their sins. Similarly, in

> archAvatAram our bhagvAn gives His sEvai to all

> peoples irrespective of their punyam / pApams and due

> to nirhEthuka kripai He removes all their sins.

>

> Our Azhwars and poorvAchAryars all dwelled up on with

> ArchAvatAram only. Thondaradipodi Azhwar, in his

> ThirumAlai, says:

>

> "...achuvai perinum vEndEn......"

>

> Azhwar simply rejects anubhavam at Sri Vaikuntam

> (Paramapadham).

>

> ThirupAnAzhwAr says:

>

> "andarkOn aniyarangan en amudhinaik-

> kanda kangal maRonrinai kAnAvE " (AmalanAthipirAn)

>

> Azhwar simply rejects darshan of any after having

> darshan of Periya Perumal Sri Ranganathar at Sri

> Rangam.

>

> BhoodhathAzhwAr says:

>

> "manathullAn vEnkatathAn mAkadalAn..."

> (IrandAm thiruvanthAdhi, 28)

>

> Azhwar says, Only archai (vEnkatathAn) resides

> inside him – manathullAn, then only azhwar says

> about mAkadalAn – vyUham.

>

> Our AchAryar Sri ParAsara Bhattar, longed for

> anubhavam with Sri Renganayaki sametha Sri RenganAthar

> only. He used say with Namperumal that, " I will go

> and see in Paramapadam. I dont want your sEvai as like

> your sEvai with nithyasUris. If you are not like as in

> Sri Rangam, I will stand at the end of Paramapadam and

> JUMP from there to this world." It shows clearly how

> our Acharyar Bhattar loved ArchAvatAram of NamperumAl

> at Sri Rangam.

>

> When our

>

> Hastigiri pErarulAlan,

> Thirukannapuram Sowri rAja perumAl,

> Sri Rangam Namperumal,

> ThiruvallikEni pArthasArathi,

> Thirukudanthai ArAvamudan were present,

>

> did adiyEn need any more avatAra of Him?

> DEFINITELY NOT!!!

>

> adiyEn,

> senthil.b

>

>

>