Guest guest Posted November 13, 2006 Report Share Posted November 13, 2006 Shri: Dear Shriman suresh Adiyane's Pranaams. Nice thoughts , very eager to know your depth of knowledge. Like adiyaen(Dog) quoted, hamsa,hayagriva is not included in dasavatharams despite they represent the knowledge and wisdom out of vedas. how do we account 5.10.4 - Maaran (Boudha) ? in my website -photos on kandagi river , there is a horse shaped rock in the Kandagi river (Nepal) itself,unknown to many, only the eagle eyes can catch it. how do we take it into account. (Hayagriva/Kalki??) http://www.saranagathi.org/~balajis so let us see what Vanamamalai Padmanabhan Swamin says. Dear shriman "Thenamaam polil" swamin , can you focus all your thoughts , from thiruvirutham -1 ?? Adiyaen Maaran's Dog. ramanuja, suresh iyengar <kp_suresh512 wrote: > > Dear bHAgawatas > > When he resides in all of us then where is the > question of limiting to just 10 avatArAs. This play of > him is continuing with out a start or end. Can he > himself count? May be not possible. May be this > dasavatara covers the wide spectrum of our emotional > requirements. That could be the reason they are > highlighted. But for sure when AtHmA and paramAtHmA > are anadhi, then where is the question of just 10. > When the athma is sareera to paramAthmA, where is the > question of we are away from him. We are experiencing > him in one form or the other. May be we have 10 > fingers that is why 10 is given importance as we > convey the surrender using two hands predominantly. > May be mind needs orderlyness and based on its > capacity to remember 10 is emphasised, may be these 10 > can be strongly held to look in to other innumerable > avatArAs. All are his play. He wants to constantly be > in touch with us. When he is antharyami, why he would > go away from us? he will exist in some form. For those > who sees him within just like Arjun, he will be inside > one's own self, for those who seek outside, he will > appear as archavatara and other leelA avatArAs to give > the required emotional support. For those who seek > knowledge, for them he will appear as AcHAryan. For > those who seek his exalted love like gopis who want to > enjoy the emotions of union and separation in selfless > service, he will be Lord. Krishna. > No one can forget him. He is everywhere some time as > problem, some time as solutions some time as friend, > some time as enemy, some time as father, some time as > mother, some time as brother, some times as sister, > some time as son, some times as daughter. > > atHma hinges its existance in bundle of emotions. The > emotional journey matures by experience. He is there > to give those experiences. He is with us in that > journey. Hence he is not going to have one or two > avatArAs. All our AzhwArs and AcHAryAs saw him in many > places in many emotional states. So he is not limited > by the number 10 > > adiyEn rAmAnuja dAsan > > Suresh > > --- Lakshmi Narasimhan <nrusimhann wrote: > > > Dear Swamin, > > > > I guess you meant dasaavatharam i.e. only ten > > avatharams alone is not > > true. The dasaavatharam is those that were most > > liked and quoted by > > many scholars and hence are abhimana avathaarams. > > > > And as you said there are umpteen other avatharams > > that are taken by > > lord, in fact varaha avataram itself, as known from > > puranas have > > happened twice, one is the varaha avataram in > > dasa-avatara and the > > other one is shveta varaha avataram. This kalpam is > > identified by the > > Shveta(white) varaha avataram. On the way to > > Mahabalipuram from > > Chennai there are two varaha swamy temples - one is > > Thiruvidavendhai > > (Divyadesam) representing the regular varaha > > avataram and the other > > one is Thiruvalavendhai temple in which varaha is > > white in color. > > > > And Thiruvengadamudaiyan himself has taken so many > > avatarams (I think > > he is still around amidst us somewhere in human > > form:) that we see in > > the Tirumalai Ozhugu. > > > > Also there are tonnes of other avathaarams like > > Hayagriva, Hamsa, > > Vyasa, Kapila etc Sri Vishnu Sahasranama Stotram > > would point us to > > atleast 100 avataras easily. > > > > adiyEn, > > dAsan. > > > > ramanuja, > > "bsundarrajansrivilliputtur" > > <bsundarrajansrivilliputtur@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > Shri: > > > Dear shriman Senthil Swaamin > > > > > > Pranaams. > > > > > > Dasaavatharam by almighty is not true. > > > > > > incarnation has been divided into 2 groups. > > > > > > 1.saaksaath incarnation > > > > > > 2. avesa avathaaram > > > a. Sakthi > > > b. Swarupa > > > > > > Therefore there are many many known and unknown > > incarnations. > > > > > > Please refer to P.B.A books for full details. > > > > > > Please dont be misled. !!!! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ramanuja, senthil b > > <b_senthil2002@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Sri:|| > > > > Dear bhagavathAs, > > > > > > > > first let adiyEn clears some point in the > > question > > > > asked by Sri Shekar. He pointed, > > > > > > > > > > God Srimannarayana has taken ten avataraas > > > > > > > > So far He had taken only nine avatArs. The tenth > > > > > > avatAr - Kalki avatAr has to be taken by Him at > > the > > > > end of this Yukham. > > > > > > > > Then the second point which adiyEn wants to > > clear > > > > as mentioned by Sri Shekar: > > > > > > > > > > According to my knowledge only > > > > > > God can make us change our lives. > > > > > > > > "Only God can make us change" is the wrong > > argument. > > > > Eventhough He change our lives indirectly, ONLY > > > > achAryAs can directly change and root us into > > good > > > > path of salvation. > > > > > > > > In next mail adiyEn explains the importance of > > > > ArchA avataram of emperumAn with the remaining > > four > > > > forms. > > > > > > > > adiyEn, > > > > senthil.b > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- shekar babu <prs_raaj@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > Om namo narayanaya. > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Swamin, > > > > > > > > > > > > God Srimannarayana has taken ten avataraas > > to > > > > > > shista rakshana and dusta shikshana. At that > > time > > > > > > rakshasas were great bhaktaas, but they have > > > > > called > > > > > > so because of only one of their mistake or > > > > > > misbehaviour. To save from them God has come > > to > > > > > > Earth by taking avataraas. > > > > > > > > > > > > Presently we know how many types of Rakshas > > are > > > > > > there in around us, In one every human body > > so > > > > > many > > > > > > types of rakshaas are there. Can't God is > > going to > > > > > > save us from them. According to my knowledge > > only > > > > > > God can make us change our lives. > > > > > > > > > > > > Can any body teach me that when is God going > > to > > > > > > come ? > > > > > > > > > > > > namostuthe > > > > > > > > > > > > Shekar > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Find out what India is talking about on - > > > > > > > > Answers India > > > > > > Send FREE SMS to your friend's mobile from > > > > > > > > Messenger Version 8. 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Guest guest Posted November 13, 2006 Report Share Posted November 13, 2006 Dear Swamin adiyEn is so fallen, there is no sambandam with soul's exstacy cry of AlwArs or the Vedas or with AcHAryAs. Just reading the emails back and forth on this and other from bHagHavathAs, made this soul to say some thing from inside to cry out. Hence adiyEn is not responsible for that. Whatever + or - belonging to the sudhradHari. adiyEn rAmAnuja dAsan Suresh --- bsundarrajansrivilliputtur <bsundarrajansrivilliputtur (AT) (DOT) ca> wrote: > > Shri: > > Dear Shriman suresh > > Adiyane's Pranaams. > > Nice thoughts , very eager to know your depth of > knowledge. > > Like adiyaen(Dog) quoted, hamsa,hayagriva is not > included in > dasavatharams despite they represent the knowledge > and wisdom out of > vedas. how do we account 5.10.4 - Maaran (Boudha) ? > > in my website -photos on kandagi river , there is a > horse shaped > rock in the Kandagi river (Nepal) itself,unknown to > many, only the > eagle eyes can catch it. > how do we take it into account. (Hayagriva/Kalki??) > http://www.saranagathi.org/~balajis > > > so let us see what Vanamamalai Padmanabhan Swamin > says. > > Dear shriman "Thenamaam polil" swamin , can you > focus all your > thoughts , from thiruvirutham -1 ?? > > Adiyaen > > Maaran's Dog. > > > > > ramanuja, suresh iyengar > <kp_suresh512 > wrote: > > > > Dear bHAgawatas > > > > When he resides in all of us then where is the > > question of limiting to just 10 avatArAs. This > play of > > him is continuing with out a start or end. Can he > > himself count? May be not possible. May be this > > dasavatara covers the wide spectrum of our > emotional > > requirements. That could be the reason they are > > highlighted. But for sure when AtHmA and > paramAtHmA > > are anadhi, then where is the question of just 10. > > When the athma is sareera to paramAthmA, where is > the > > question of we are away from him. We are > experiencing > > him in one form or the other. May be we have 10 > > fingers that is why 10 is given importance as we > > convey the surrender using two hands > predominantly. > > May be mind needs orderlyness and based on its > > capacity to remember 10 is emphasised, may be > these 10 > > can be strongly held to look in to other > innumerable > > avatArAs. All are his play. He wants to constantly > be > > in touch with us. When he is antharyami, why he > would > > go away from us? he will exist in some form. For > those > > who sees him within just like Arjun, he will be > inside > > one's own self, for those who seek outside, he > will > > appear as archavatara and other leelA avatArAs to > give > > the required emotional support. For those who seek > > knowledge, for them he will appear as AcHAryan. > For > > those who seek his exalted love like gopis who > want to > > enjoy the emotions of union and separation in > selfless > > service, he will be Lord. Krishna. > > No one can forget him. He is everywhere some time > as > > problem, some time as solutions some time as > friend, > > some time as enemy, some time as father, some time > as > > mother, some time as brother, some times as > sister, > > some time as son, some times as daughter. > > > > atHma hinges its existance in bundle of emotions. > The > > emotional journey matures by experience. He is > there > > to give those experiences. He is with us in that > > journey. Hence he is not going to have one or two > > avatArAs. All our AzhwArs and AcHAryAs saw him in > many > > places in many emotional states. So he is not > limited > > by the number 10 > > > > adiyEn rAmAnuja dAsan > > > > Suresh > > > > --- Lakshmi Narasimhan <nrusimhann wrote: > > > > > Dear Swamin, > > > > > > I guess you meant dasaavatharam i.e. only ten > > > avatharams alone is not > > > true. The dasaavatharam is those that were most > > > liked and quoted by > > > many scholars and hence are abhimana > avathaarams. > > > > > > And as you said there are umpteen other > avatharams > > > that are taken by > > > lord, in fact varaha avataram itself, as known > from > > > puranas have > > > happened twice, one is the varaha avataram in > > > dasa-avatara and the > > > other one is shveta varaha avataram. This kalpam > is > > > identified by the > > > Shveta(white) varaha avataram. On the way to > > > Mahabalipuram from > > > Chennai there are two varaha swamy temples - one > is > > > Thiruvidavendhai > > > (Divyadesam) representing the regular varaha > > > avataram and the other > > > one is Thiruvalavendhai temple in which varaha > is > > > white in color. > > > > > > And Thiruvengadamudaiyan himself has taken so > many > > > avatarams (I think > > > he is still around amidst us somewhere in human > > > form:) that we see in > > > the Tirumalai Ozhugu. > > > > > > Also there are tonnes of other avathaarams like > > > Hayagriva, Hamsa, > > > Vyasa, Kapila etc Sri Vishnu Sahasranama Stotram > > > would point us to > > > atleast 100 avataras easily. > > > > > > adiyEn, > > > dAsan. > > > > > > ramanuja, > > > "bsundarrajansrivilliputtur" > > > <bsundarrajansrivilliputtur@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Shri: > > > > Dear shriman Senthil Swaamin > > > > > > > > Pranaams. > > > > > > > > Dasaavatharam by almighty is not true. > > > > > > > > incarnation has been divided into 2 groups. > > > > > > > > 1.saaksaath incarnation > > > > > > > > 2. avesa avathaaram > > > > a. Sakthi > > > > b. Swarupa > > > > > > > > Therefore there are many many known and > unknown > > > incarnations. > > > > > > > > Please refer to P.B.A books for full details. > > > > > > > > Please dont be misled. !!!! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ramanuja, senthil b > > > <b_senthil2002@> wrote: > > > > > > === message truncated === Music Unlimited Access over 1 million songs. http://music./unlimited Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 13, 2006 Report Share Posted November 13, 2006 Dear Sri SundaraRajan svAmi, Sri NampiLLai EDu The avathAram-s of EmperumAn are multifold, cannot be determined exactly. Not only Tiruviruttam but the whole aruLicheyal is clear in this regard. SvAmi NampiLLai in the EDu vyAkyAnam for the first pAsuram for thiruvirutham spells out thus 'Since, the birth is not based on kArmic effects, the nature/number of the Lord's descention cannot be determined. This is reiterated by the quote from VEDhic vAkyam 'ajAya mAnOA bahUjA vijAyathEA' The Birthless Lord takes up many births. The crux here is, ' The Lord takes many births.These are out of His volition and not kArmic. Therefore, this cannot be determined reg. the nature or numbers' The text goes as follows: enninRa yOAniyumAi: inna dhaNNiyathil piRavEan enRuthAn vunnAl sollAlAmOA?... than anugrahathAlEa ellArkkumAgap piRAkAyaiyAlEA ore adaivillaiyiREA, sarvagjyanAna thAn sollum pOdhum 'bahUnE' GEthai 4-5, enRiREA solluvadhu;aDiyaRiyum vEDham sollum pOdhum 'bahUtha vijAyathEa"-purusha sUktham, ennum ithanai iREA. The Lord's birth cannot be inclusive nor exclusive to be restricted to cerain parameters.This is becoz he takes Birth due to grace (anugraham).The omniscient Lord Himself declares so in GEthA. and the vEdham also mentions this as 'bahUthA vijAyathEa" How can we thus restrict Him to a few incarnations? (to be continued) dasan vanamamalai padmanabhan ----- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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