[sri ramanuja] A Peep into Periya Thirumozhi 321

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THE DIALOGUE BETWEN EMPERUMAN AND THIURMANGAI AZVAR

mAtRam vuLa-SETRAm vuLa -Agilum solluvan

 

Azvar when comparing himself with examples which indiate his precarious predicament, commences this final thirumozhi as

mATRamuLa and again the second pAsuram

SeTramuLa and

suffixes this by

Agilum solluvan.

 

mATRam vuLa

What does AzAr says

The Atman is a joyous one at paramapadham being inetertwined with the Lord. Notwithstanding this, this Atman is immersed in this samsAram.

 

EmperumAn: This is due to two basic factors

one, the indifferent attitude of the Atman. LIke, i will not see or think of Him.

Two, the effects of kArmam and cumulative results of the pApam and puNyam.

 

AGilum solluvan

AzvAr: The indifferent attitude is linked with the mind. This mind can be cleansed by the Grace of the Lord -maruvith thozhum manamEa thandhAi.

 

The second factor being kArmic effects is based on the actions of Atman.These actions indeed moot these effects.However, does not YOur grace capable of obliterating these effects? EmperumAn is the owner of this ATman and logically is it not His look out to see that the Atman does not devitate from His path?

 

EmpeurmAn then questions the need for giving the physiques and knowledge? and AzvaR replies with the same logic. This goes on and that is why kaliyan mentions

mATRamuLa Agilum solluvan 11-8-1;

 

Sri Periya vAchAn piLLai's analysis: On what basis both argued.

EmperumAn based His arguments on karmam.AzvAr disproved it by talking of Brahmam.

EmperumAn based His arguments on vEDham. AzvAr aruged based on vEDhAntha thAthparyam.

EmperumAn based His arguments on Atma svarUpam.AzvAr dissipated this by argument based on

svarUpayAthAthmayam.

EmperumAn based His arguments parathanthryam and sAthYopAyam.

AzvAr destroyed this with sithOpAya arguement.

 

IDHU KANUM UPASAKARIL KATTIL PRABANNANUKKU YEatRam.

SETRamuLa: EmperumAn points out that the various mistakes of jEvan and this has resulted in

sustained presence in this world. Ignoring this should AZvAr bring forth the arguing as if

keeping the Atman-s in this world is EmperumAn's mistake.

 

Agilum solluvan: No.The regret for having still being kept in this world is not because of

not admitting the blunders but because of non-pardoning these blunders.

 

What can be the blunders which can make even the kAruNayanA sarvEsvaran angry

bhagath-bhAgavatha apachAram.

 

That is why kaliyan mentions

SETRam vuLa -Agilum seppuvan

 

Does this not sound similar to

the dialogue of SvAmi nam azvaR

'inRennai poruL Akki thannadhu ennuL vaithAi' 10-8 ThiruvAimozhi avathArikai Edu.

 

dasan

vanamamalai padmanabhan