Question about Lingam worship and problems it may cause

November 9, 2006

HARI OM.

This question is directed to all the learned members. I am hearing some interesting tidbit about Shiva Lingam worship and some problems that may happen. I work with a S. Indian woman from AP who is about age 30, married, and has a 16 month old child. She has mentioned that she recently had to submerge in a lake a "manushya lingam" (manmade - the material I'm not sure) the type with yoni base attached because her daughter was strangely getting sicker and sicker everyday. Her practice was to chant the Namakam & Chamakam everyday while doing abhishek.

She mentioned that she had also known of others who received some painful event or something similar to her experience after doing lingam worship. Her remarks to me were that since Lord Shiva is very temperamental, and her worship was less than perfect, that's what happened to her. She also said it ceased immediatley as soon as she submerged it in a lake here in America on advice from her mother. I told her that I felt that the lingam, being man made, may have had some type of "dosham" (fault) & that's why it may have been happening. Or maybe, she was missprouncing Namakam/Chamakam which is a Vedic Hymn. I have been wracking my brain about this & trying to discover the reason why this has happened. Being a Vaishnava, i know all about Salagram Silas, deity specifications, etc., etc, and that some people are really afraid of them. I know they can cause problems for some, etc. But hearing this about lingams really troubles me. I have heretofore always thought of

lingams as nonly very sacred, but really quite benign. I am starting to feel really conflicted about this

Can someone please give any advice?

JANARDANA DASA

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November 9, 2006

Janardana Dasaji,

I am surprised by this type of post coming from you. You normally seem so knowledgeable.

This is so silly, I don't even know what to say in regards to it.

God is God is God. One God, Many names and faces.

True worship with devotion is always accepted.

Shiva is actually referred to as Asutosh--He is who easily approached.

People get sick and die regardless of what form of diety they worship.

Bom Bom Bhole!

Surya

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Wednesday, November 08, 2006 6:20 PM

Question about Lingam worship and problems it may cause

HARI OM.

This question is directed to all the learned members. I am hearing some interesting tidbit about Shiva Lingam worship and some problems that may happen. I work with a S. Indian woman from AP who is about age 30, married, and has a 16 month old child. She has mentioned that she recently had to submerge in a lake a "manushya lingam" (manmade - the material I'm not sure) the type with yoni base attached because her daughter was strangely getting sicker and sicker everyday. Her practice was to chant the Namakam & Chamakam everyday while doing abhishek.

She mentioned that she had also known of others who received some painful event or something similar to her experience after doing lingam worship. Her remarks to me were that since Lord Shiva is very temperamental, and her worship was less than perfect, that's what happened to her. She also said it ceased immediatley as soon as she submerged it in a lake here in America on advice from her mother. I told her that I felt that the lingam, being man made, may have had some type of "dosham" (fault) & that's why it may have been happening. Or maybe, she was missprouncing Namakam/Chamakam which is a Vedic Hymn. I have been wracking my brain about this & trying to discover the reason why this has happened. Being a Vaishnava, i know all about Salagram Silas, deity specifications, etc., etc, and that some people are really afraid of them. I know they can cause problems for some, etc. But hearing this about lingams really troubles me. I have heretofore always thought of lingams as nonly very sacred, but really quite benign. I am starting to feel really conflicted about this

Can someone please give any advice?

JANARDANA DASA

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November 9, 2006

Why would you be surprised Mahamuni Dasa Ji? I have heard this many times and happen to be close to this lady who asked this question. I want to know if anyone has heard things of this nature with lingams. Of course God is God, etc....But the fact remains...when some people have such experiences and you personally know them, why not put it out there? What is wrong with asking if others have had this or heard of this? The fact remains...that if one worships various icons and such, some CAN have various or certain properties and others don't. Some give certain benefits and some don't. Some will make one a renunciant and some won't. This is a fact. Certain shaligrams can kill a householder's wife or kids if worshiped for material things by a householder, when they should be worshiped by Sannyasis or Bramhacharis. This is a fact. Why not this same possibility with some lingams and such? I beg to differ...I don't at all think it is silly.

JANARDANA DASA

Mahamuni Das <mahamuni (AT) cox (DOT) net> wrote:

Janardana Dasaji,

I am surprised by this type of post coming from you. You normally seem so knowledgeable.

This is so silly, I don't even know what to say in regards to it.

God is God is God. One God, Many names and faces.

True worship with devotion is always accepted.

Shiva is actually referred to as Asutosh--He is who easily approached.

People get sick and die regardless of what form of diety they worship.

Bom Bom Bhole!

Surya

-

Janardana Dasa

sacred-objects

Cc:

Wednesday, November 08, 2006 6:20 PM

Question about Lingam worship and problems it may cause

HARI OM.

This question is directed to all the learned members. I am hearing some interesting tidbit about Shiva Lingam worship and some problems that may happen. I work with a S. Indian woman from AP who is about age 30, married, and has a 16 month old child. She has mentioned that she recently had to submerge in a lake a "manushya lingam" (manmade - the material I'm not sure) the type with yoni base attached because her daughter was strangely getting sicker and sicker everyday. Her practice was to chant the Namakam & Chamakam everyday while doing abhishek.

She mentioned that she had also known of others who received some painful event or something similar to her experience after doing lingam worship. Her remarks to me were that since Lord Shiva is very temperamental, and her worship was less than perfect, that's what happened to her. She also said it ceased immediatley as soon as she submerged it in a lake here in America on advice from her mother. I told her that I felt that the lingam, being man made, may have had some type of "dosham" (fault) & that's why it may have been happening. Or maybe, she was missprouncing Namakam/Chamakam which is a Vedic Hymn. I have been wracking my brain about this & trying to discover the reason why this has happened. Being a Vaishnava, i know all about Salagram Silas, deity specifications, etc., etc, and that some people are really afraid of them. I know they can cause problems for some, etc. But hearing this about lingams really troubles me. I have heretofore always thought of

lingams as nonly very sacred, but really quite benign. I am starting to feel really conflicted about this

Can someone please give any advice?

JANARDANA DASA

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Mahamuni Das <mahamuni (AT) cox (DOT) net> wrote:

Janardana Dasaji,

I am surprised by this type of post coming from you. You normally seem so knowledgeable.

This is so silly, I don't even know what to say in regards to it.

God is God is God. One God, Many names and faces.

True worship with devotion is always accepted.

Shiva is actually referred to as Asutosh--He is who easily approached.

People get sick and die regardless of what form of diety they worship.

Bom Bom Bhole!

Surya

-

Janardana Dasa

sacred-objects

Cc:

Wednesday, November 08, 2006 6:20 PM

Question about Lingam worship and problems it may cause

HARI OM.

This question is directed to all the learned members. I am hearing some interesting tidbit about Shiva Lingam worship and some problems that may happen. I work with a S. Indian woman from AP who is about age 30, married, and has a 16 month old child. She has mentioned that she recently had to submerge in a lake a "manushya lingam" (manmade - the material I'm not sure) the type with yoni base attached because her daughter was strangely getting sicker and sicker everyday. Her practice was to chant the Namakam & Chamakam everyday while doing abhishek.

She mentioned that she had also known of others who received some painful event or something similar to her experience after doing lingam worship. Her remarks to me were that since Lord Shiva is very temperamental, and her worship was less than perfect, that's what happened to her. She also said it ceased immediatley as soon as she submerged it in a lake here in America on advice from her mother. I told her that I felt that the lingam, being man made, may have had some type of "dosham" (fault) & that's why it may have been happening. Or maybe, she was missprouncing Namakam/Chamakam which is a Vedic Hymn. I have been wracking my brain about this & trying to discover the reason why this has happened. Being a Vaishnava, i know all about Salagram Silas, deity specifications, etc., etc, and that some people are really afraid of them. I know they can cause problems for some, etc. But hearing this about lingams really troubles me. I have heretofore always thought of

lingams as nonly very sacred, but really quite benign. I am starting to feel really conflicted about this

Can someone please give any advice?

JANARDANA DASA

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November 10, 2006

Hari Om! Hari Om Tat Sat!

Namaskaragalu! Dasomsi!

Prabhu, yes the swayambhu lingam as more preferred to adore Shri Sadhashiva.

Usually Bana-lingas are preferred. The man-made lingam has to installed as

per Agamam. This contains a lot of preparation and the worship should not be

stopped. In the swayambhu lingams Lord is present in HIS free will. In man

made lingam the -self- requests the para-self to be present and invoke the

shakthi. The person who makes the lingam has to do it with bhakthi and prema

bhakthi. The person who gets it has to do service with prema bhakthi as

well. It is like how one receives the Saligrama and how one receives the

saligrama.

Just like invoking Sriman Narayanan in Sri Satya Narayana pooja, and then

post pooja ritual is very important. However in the case of Sri Saligrama

Lord is present by HIS will.

I also think this lady might not have observed the proper things for example

giving Dhara to Lord is very important. For example the red colored

Saligrama has effects in a family. Similarly the person who did the

invocation in the man-made linga might have called the Raudra roopam and its

effects are more ill prone if not careful.

Bana-linga can be read here:

http://www.salagram.net/sstp-Bana-lingas.html

Subham Dinam Astu!

Sarvam Sri Krishna Arpanam Astu!

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Thursday, November 09, 2006 7:50 AM

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Question about Lingam worship and problems it may

cause

HARI OM.

This question is directed to all the learned members. I am hearing some

interesting tidbit about Shiva Lingam worship and some problems that may

happen. I work with a S. Indian woman from AP who is about age 30, married,

and has a 16 month old child. She has mentioned that she recently had to

submerge in a lake a "manushya lingam" (manmade - the material I'm not sure)

the type with yoni base attached because her daughter was strangely getting

sicker and sicker everyday. Her practice was to chant the Namakam & Chamakam

everyday while doing abhishek.

She mentioned that she had also known of others who received some painful

event or something similar to her experience after doing lingam worship.

Her remarks to me were that since Lord Shiva is very temperamental, and her

worship was less than perfect, that's what happened to her. She also said

it ceased immediatley as soon as she submerged it in a lake here in America

on advice from her mother. I told her that I felt that the lingam, being

man made, may have had some type of "dosham" (fault) & that's why it may

have been happening. Or maybe, she was missprouncing Namakam/Chamakam which

is a Vedic Hymn. I have been wracking my brain about this & trying to

discover the reason why this has happened. Being a Vaishnava, i know all

about Salagram Silas, deity specifications, etc., etc, and that some people

are really afraid of them. I know they can cause problems for some, etc. But

hearing this about lingams really troubles me. I have heretofore always

thought of lingams as nonly very sacred, but really quite benign. I am

starting to feel really conflicted about this

Can someone please give any advice?

JANARDANA DASA

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November 10, 2006

What i heard about Shiva lingam worship is one should follow the

exact rituals that are required for ligam worship, if a Shiv ling is

kept at home like regular abhisekhams daily, keeping in certain

direction, being clean and other rituals and also Shiv Lingam should

be perfect/faultless. Thats why unless a house holder is sure that

they could follow shivlingam worship at home, they should not keep

at home.

I read similar posting in Om Namah Shivaya group and after seeing

the posting and suggestion from learned pundit i have also thrown 2

Shiv lingams which i used to worship at home, in a river after doing

Kshama Prarthana. Because i felt i may not be able to follow all

those rituals daily...and some i may not even be aware of like

keeping in certain direction and one shiv lingam which i had, was

having a fault like a crack.

Hope this is helpful. Also i heard householders should not keep Lord

Narasimha Swamy picture at home as one needs to maintain correct

rituals and cleanliness at home. Not sure how many would agree.

Regards,

Kishore.

sacred-objects (AT) grouhisps (DOT) com, Janardana Dasa

<lightdweller wrote:

>

> Why would you be surprised Mahamuni Dasa Ji? I have heard this

many times and happen to be close to this lady who asked this

question. I want to know if anyone has heard things of this nature

with lingams. Of course God is God, etc....But the fact

remains...when some people have such experiences and you personally

know them, why not put it out there? What is wrong with asking if

others have had this or heard of this? The fact remains...that if

one worships various icons and such, some CAN have various or

certain properties and others don't. Some give certain benefits and

some don't. Some will make one a renunciant and some won't. This

is a fact. Certain shaligrams can kill a householder's wife or kids

if worshiped for material things by a householder, when they should

be worshiped by Sannyasis or Bramhacharis. This is a fact. Why not

this same possibility with some lingams and such? I beg to

differ...I don't at all think it is silly.

>

> JANARDANA DASA

>

> Mahamuni Das <mahamuni wrote:

> Janardana Dasaji,

>

> I am surprised by this type of post coming from you. You

normally seem so knowledgeable.

>

> This is so silly, I don't even know what to say in regards to it.

>

> God is God is God. One God, Many names and faces.

>

> True worship with devotion is always accepted.

>

> Shiva is actually referred to as Asutosh--He is who easily

approached.

>

> People get sick and die regardless of what form of diety they

worship.

>

> Bom Bom Bhole!

>

> Surya

> -

> Janardana Dasa

> sacred-objects

> Cc:

> Wednesday, November 08, 2006 6:20 PM

> Question about Lingam worship and

problems it may cause

>

> HARI OM.

>

> This question is directed to all the learned members. I am

hearing some interesting tidbit about Shiva Lingam worship and some

problems that may happen. I work with a S. Indian woman from AP who

is about age 30, married, and has a 16 month old child. She has

mentioned that she recently had to submerge in a lake a "manushya

lingam" (manmade - the material I'm not sure) the type with yoni

base attached because her daughter was strangely getting sicker and

sicker everyday. Her practice was to chant the Namakam & Chamakam

everyday while doing abhishek.

>

> She mentioned that she had also known of others who received

some painful event or something similar to her experience after

doing lingam worship. Her remarks to me were that since Lord Shiva

is very temperamental, and her worship was less than perfect, that's

what happened to her. She also said it ceased immediatley as soon

as she submerged it in a lake here in America on advice from her

mother. I told her that I felt that the lingam, being man made, may

have had some type of "dosham" (fault) & that's why it may have been

happening. Or maybe, she was missprouncing Namakam/Chamakam which

is a Vedic Hymn. I have been wracking my brain about this & trying

to discover the reason why this has happened. Being a Vaishnava, i

know all about Salagram Silas, deity specifications, etc., etc, and

that some people are really afraid of them. I know they can cause

problems for some, etc. But hearing this about lingams really

troubles me. I have heretofore always thought of

> lingams as nonly very sacred, but really quite benign. I am

starting to feel really conflicted about this

>

> Can someone please give any advice?

>

> JANARDANA DASA

>

> Access over 1 million songs - Music Unlimited.

>

> Everyone is raving about the all-new Mail beta.

>

November 10, 2006

Thank you Prabhu JI.

I totally understand what you are saying and thanks for your input. I also have

been told the same thing about Narasimha Deva and Kaali Maa pictures too. I have come to find out from the lady that there may have been some dosham in her pranapratistha ritual, just as one member said.

With that being said, it probably is much safer to worship certain types of Narmada Lingam since they are Swayambhu, rather than man made lingams.

JANARDANA DASA

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