[sri ramanuja] Ten avatArs mentioed in Periya Thirumozhi.8.8.10

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Dear Senthil Swamin,

Why go that far to establish 10 avatArs upto Thirumangai AzhwAr?

PeriyAzhwAr has given us the details of the 10 avatArs in one single

pAsuram itself:

"thEnudaya meenamaai, aamayaai, enamaai, ariyaai, kuralaai,

moondruruviraamanaai, kannanaai, kalkiyai mudippan kovil...".

daSavaTaram is indeed the avatArs that are of more significance than

other avaTarams with no doubt.

 

For the readers,

Sriman Vimalkumar Swamin initiated this topic way back in 2004 and

this topic was dealt in nice detail in the following thread(please go

through the entire thread).

 

http://www.ibiblio.org/sripedia/ramanuja/archives/feb04/msg00040.html

 

 

adiyEn,

dAsan.

 

ramanuja, "B.Senthil kumar"

<b_senthil2002 wrote:

>

> Dear BhagavathAs,

> Eventhough the avatAram of our emperumAn can not be counted and is

> endless, some of the avatArams were repeatedly and in many time was

> enjoyed by our Azhwars and AchAryars. Sri P.B.A Swamin while

> discussing about the ParasurAma avatAram, for pAsuram in Periya

> Thirumozhi 8.8.6 (Thirukannapuram), he mentioned that Lords'

> avatAram is countless. But at the vyAkyAnam for 8.8.10 pAsuram, PBA

> swamin had quoted that, azhwar wants to conclude the pathigam with

> the tenth avatAram of Lord -Kalki- and also used the word

> DasAvatAram.

>

> Similarly Thirumangai Azhwar in that 10th pAsuram had summed up the

> avatArs of Lord in the chronological order of DasavatAram only.

From

> PBA Swamin divyArtha deepikai, Swamy Parasara Bhattar in Sri

> Rangaraja Sthavam - Utthara bhAgam also celebrates and compares

Lord

> Sri RanganAthar with DasAvathAram.

>

> Eventhough its wellknown fact that, Our Lord avatAram can not be

> restricted with 10 ONLY, but this 10 SELECTED avatArs of HIM is

> repeatedly enjoyed by our Azhwars, poorvAsiriyars. Here adiyEn

wants

> to clear that, we can use the word "DasAvatAram by emperumAn". If

> not, then why Thirumangai Azhwar uses this ten avatars and dedicate

> each pAsuram for each avatAr in Periya Thirumozhi 8.8? If not then

> why AchAryar NigamAntha dEsikan dedicated 10 StOtrams for Ten

> Avatars - called as DasAvatAra StOtram?

>

> Eventhough emperumAn had taken many avatArs, the KoormaAvatAram can

> not ge forgotten by any - since PirAttiyAr's avatAram from

pArkadal.

> 2) Sri Varaha AvatAram can not be forgotten by any - since he saved

> our Bhoomi PirAttiyAr.

> 3) Sri Narasimha AvatAram can not be forgotten by any - since in

> this avatAram HE proved that HE can took avatAr for HIS BhaktAs

like

> PrahlAdan.

> 4) Sri Vamana AvatAram can not be forgotten by any - since in this

> avatAram HE proved that, HE is Sarvarakshkan not only for bhakthAs

> like us, but also for Devars like Indran - "EmperumAn-ImaiyOr

> thalaivan."

> 5) Sri Rama, Krishna AvatAram can not be forgotten by any.

>

> adiyEn,

> senthil.b

>

>

> ramanuja, "bsundarrajansrivilliputtur"

> <bsundarrajansrivilliputtur@> wrote:

> >

> > shri:

> >

> > Dear shriman "Thenamaam Polil..." Swamin

> >

> > Adiyaen's Pranaams.

> >

> > Thanks for your intervention. indeed i enjoyed your commentary on

> > this Avathaar regarding...

> >

> > Shriman p.b.a swamy also concluded the same point.

> > His explanation can be found here:

> >

> > Reference Page 1099 - Periya thirumozhi - Divyaartha Deepikai

> > or explanation of 8.8.6 / Thirukannapuram 86th Paasuram

> >

> > Adiyaen

> >

> > - Maaran's Dog

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > ramanuja, "Padmanabhan" <aazhwar@> wrote:

> > >

> > > munivarai idukkiyum -munnEr vaNNanAiyum

> > >

> > > Sri Nam piLLai's vyAkyanam was clear that

> > > -No restrictions can be drawn for EmperumAn's avathAram-s

> > > -These avathAram-s are out of volition.

> > >

> > > Sri Desikan's vyAkyanam further clarifies that

> > > -the Lord appears in dvEva, manusha, thriyak sthvarangaL,

> vibhava-

> > vibhavAnthara,vyUyha/vyUhAnthara.

> > >

> > > EDu for TiruvAimohhip pAsuram

> > > 'nilai varambila pala piRappAi'

> > > quotes Sri Bhattar that the Lord's avathAram being saulabyam

> > reveals supremacy from time to time and the prime factor is

> > rakshagathvam.

> > >

> > > Then one may ask, what is it this ten avathAr-s and others.

> > >

> > > Acharya hrdhyam sUthram 'munivarai idukkiyum-mun-nEr

vaNNanAyum'

> > NO.17

> > > gives answer for this:

> > >

> > > Though this particular sUthram is brought about by Sri Azhagia

> > maNavALap perumAL nAyanAr to bring about the difference between

> > sAsthram and thirumanthram, the following aspects are relevant

for

> > our discussion

> > > munivarai idukkiyum

> > > the fact that the Lord descends upon rishi-s and spells out

> > certain works is stressed here.This is termed as 'AvEsha

> avathAram'

> > and commences and ends with the particular task.

> > >

> > > mun-nEr vaNNan

> > > The Lord takes upon Himself avathAram-s directly.,For example

He

> > gave the thriumanthiram at VadaraiASramam.

> > >

> > > The avathAram-s thus are manifold and endless

> > >

> > > dasan

> > > vanamamalai padmanabhan

> > >

> >

>