The 'almost' ... but not quite *MULTI-Mahapurusha Yoga

[Guest guest]

Dear Members,

 

There have perhaps been many discussions around planets that happen

to be exalted or debilitated in the natal horoscopes when humans are

born.

 

Examples are discussed when high-achieving nativities are associated

with exalted planets, particularly in on of the Mahapurusha yogas:

Ruchaka, Hamsa, Malava/Malavya, Sasha, Bhadra! No such mention for

exalted sun and moon! No really good classic explanation for why the

LIGHTS were left out of this HALL OF FAME!

 

And when exalted planets appear in horoscopes where these do not

participate in any mahapurusha yoga -- because the planets were in

8th, 11th, 2nd houses for instance in a dhanu rising horoscope -- one

wonders, if only the person were to be born an hour later -- with

ruchaka, sasha and Hamsa yoga in the chart -- what could have been

the result!

 

When situations like these come across ones desk, one wonders ...!

 

Is such a chart a harbinger of good lifetimes to come? Or is it just

a test thrown at the nativity to test his or her potential -- as a

SOUL?

 

Does anyone know? Has anyone examined this or similar phenomenon?

 

RR

[Guest guest]

If I may be allowed to deviate from the currently accepted norms of

the classics.

When it is said, " Shani in Sasha yoga" it actually means that there

is a possibility or at best a probability of this particular

Mahapurush yoga getting activated subject to so many other variables.

The literal translation more often than not does not agree with the

stated results. So I would personally be inclined to accept

the 'impel' viewpoint.

Some sanskrit scholars opine that the so called Jyotish classics do

not match the sanskrit style of the other vedic sanskrit documents.

There is a suggestion that most of the jyotish classics would be

around a few hundred years old....

rishi

 

 

 

, "Rohiniranjan"

<jyotish_vani wrote:

>

> Dear Members,

>

> There have perhaps been many discussions around planets that happen

> to be exalted or debilitated in the natal horoscopes when humans

are

> born.

>

> Examples are discussed when high-achieving nativities are

associated

> with exalted planets, particularly in on of the Mahapurusha yogas:

> Ruchaka, Hamsa, Malava/Malavya, Sasha, Bhadra! No such mention for

> exalted sun and moon! No really good classic explanation for why

the

> LIGHTS were left out of this HALL OF FAME!

>

> And when exalted planets appear in horoscopes where these do not

> participate in any mahapurusha yoga -- because the planets were in

> 8th, 11th, 2nd houses for instance in a dhanu rising horoscope --

one

> wonders, if only the person were to be born an hour later -- with

> ruchaka, sasha and Hamsa yoga in the chart -- what could have been

> the result!

>

> When situations like these come across ones desk, one wonders ...!

>

> Is such a chart a harbinger of good lifetimes to come? Or is it

just

> a test thrown at the nativity to test his or her potential -- as a

> SOUL?

>

> Does anyone know? Has anyone examined this or similar phenomenon?

>

> RR

>

[Guest guest]

Sir,

 

If I may.

 

But who is a 'Mahapurush'? Who would be considered a Mahapurush by

our present concept of 'Mahan'? And more relevantly, what was

revered during the days when BPHS was supposedly written?

 

Sun and Moon are karaks for father and mother respectively. Are the

indications then that a 'mahapurush' in those days was someone who

was born with an urge and innate knowledge not to get entangled

in 'sangsarikta'?

 

But theories will remain theories and useless until tested and

proven. Maybe we could come up with a list of people that most of us

would consider mahapurush (along with their birth details) and then

 

1. Find out how many of them have a Mahapurush Yoga at all.

2. How many of them have Sun or Moon in exaltation or own house in

kendras.

3. Combinations of 1 and 2.

 

And then take it up from there to understand this better.

 

Ambitious, Sir? You bet!

 

Regards,

Nandini.

 

, "rishi_2000in"

<rishi_2000in wrote:

>

> If I may be allowed to deviate from the currently accepted norms

of

> the classics.

> When it is said, " Shani in Sasha yoga" it actually means that

there

> is a possibility or at best a probability of this particular

> Mahapurush yoga getting activated subject to so many other

variables.

> The literal translation more often than not does not agree with

the

> stated results. So I would personally be inclined to accept

> the 'impel' viewpoint.

> Some sanskrit scholars opine that the so called Jyotish classics

do

> not match the sanskrit style of the other vedic sanskrit documents.

> There is a suggestion that most of the jyotish classics would be

> around a few hundred years old....

> rishi

>

>

>

> , "Rohiniranjan"

> <jyotish_vani@> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Members,

> >

> > There have perhaps been many discussions around planets that

happen

> > to be exalted or debilitated in the natal horoscopes when humans

> are

> > born.

> >

> > Examples are discussed when high-achieving nativities are

> associated

> > with exalted planets, particularly in on of the Mahapurusha

yogas:

> > Ruchaka, Hamsa, Malava/Malavya, Sasha, Bhadra! No such mention

for

> > exalted sun and moon! No really good classic explanation for why

> the

> > LIGHTS were left out of this HALL OF FAME!

> >

> > And when exalted planets appear in horoscopes where these do not

> > participate in any mahapurusha yoga -- because the planets were

in

> > 8th, 11th, 2nd houses for instance in a dhanu rising horoscope --

 

> one

> > wonders, if only the person were to be born an hour later --

with

> > ruchaka, sasha and Hamsa yoga in the chart -- what could have

been

> > the result!

> >

> > When situations like these come across ones desk, one

wonders ...!

> >

> > Is such a chart a harbinger of good lifetimes to come? Or is it

> just

> > a test thrown at the nativity to test his or her potential -- as

a

> > SOUL?

> >

> > Does anyone know? Has anyone examined this or similar phenomenon?

> >

> > RR

> >

>

[Guest guest]

I agree with your interpretation of (not just) Mahapurusha yogas but

nearly all yogas and arishtas, including KSY, mangal dosha and

viparita raja yogas, etc. Mahapurushas suddenly do not arrive in

clusters four times a day during the 29 months each time saturn

passes through makar, kumbha or tula!!

 

I would leave the comments of document dating to scholars and

historians. One of them also mentioned that Varahamihira was born in

an era when the lunar nodes were not in use for natal astrology,

therefore predates Parashara and Jaimini. Who really knows and who

really cares? Hopefully I am not sounding too flippant!

 

RR

 

, "rishi_2000in"

<rishi_2000in wrote:

>

> If I may be allowed to deviate from the currently accepted norms of

> the classics.

> When it is said, " Shani in Sasha yoga" it actually means that

there

> is a possibility or at best a probability of this particular

> Mahapurush yoga getting activated subject to so many other

variables.

> The literal translation more often than not does not agree with the

> stated results. So I would personally be inclined to accept

> the 'impel' viewpoint.

> Some sanskrit scholars opine that the so called Jyotish classics do

> not match the sanskrit style of the other vedic sanskrit documents.

> There is a suggestion that most of the jyotish classics would be

> around a few hundred years old....

> rishi

>

>

>

> , "Rohiniranjan"

> <jyotish_vani@> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Members,

> >

> > There have perhaps been many discussions around planets that

happen

> > to be exalted or debilitated in the natal horoscopes when humans

> are

> > born.

> >

> > Examples are discussed when high-achieving nativities are

> associated

> > with exalted planets, particularly in on of the Mahapurusha

yogas:

> > Ruchaka, Hamsa, Malava/Malavya, Sasha, Bhadra! No such mention

for

> > exalted sun and moon! No really good classic explanation for why

> the

> > LIGHTS were left out of this HALL OF FAME!

> >

> > And when exalted planets appear in horoscopes where these do not

> > participate in any mahapurusha yoga -- because the planets were

in

> > 8th, 11th, 2nd houses for instance in a dhanu rising horoscope --

> one

> > wonders, if only the person were to be born an hour later -- with

> > ruchaka, sasha and Hamsa yoga in the chart -- what could have

been

> > the result!

> >

> > When situations like these come across ones desk, one wonders ...!

> >

> > Is such a chart a harbinger of good lifetimes to come? Or is it

> just

> > a test thrown at the nativity to test his or her potential -- as

a

> > SOUL?

> >

> > Does anyone know? Has anyone examined this or similar phenomenon?

> >

> > RR

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Nandini,

 

Very good points and research strategy. I will see if my bhanumati ka

pitara (database) can help. I will be back later.

 

 

RR

 

, "kakan_leo" <kakan_leo

wrote:

>

> Sir,

>

> If I may.

>

> But who is a 'Mahapurush'? Who would be considered a Mahapurush by

> our present concept of 'Mahan'? And more relevantly, what was

> revered during the days when BPHS was supposedly written?

>

> Sun and Moon are karaks for father and mother respectively. Are the

> indications then that a 'mahapurush' in those days was someone who

> was born with an urge and innate knowledge not to get entangled

> in 'sangsarikta'?

>

> But theories will remain theories and useless until tested and

> proven. Maybe we could come up with a list of people that most of

us

> would consider mahapurush (along with their birth details) and then

>

> 1. Find out how many of them have a Mahapurush Yoga at all.

> 2. How many of them have Sun or Moon in exaltation or own house in

> kendras.

> 3. Combinations of 1 and 2.

>

> And then take it up from there to understand this better.

>

> Ambitious, Sir? You bet!

>

> Regards,

> Nandini.

>

> , "rishi_2000in"

> <rishi_2000in@> wrote:

> >

> > If I may be allowed to deviate from the currently accepted norms

> of

> > the classics.

> > When it is said, " Shani in Sasha yoga" it actually means that

> there

> > is a possibility or at best a probability of this particular

> > Mahapurush yoga getting activated subject to so many other

> variables.

> > The literal translation more often than not does not agree with

> the

> > stated results. So I would personally be inclined to accept

> > the 'impel' viewpoint.

> > Some sanskrit scholars opine that the so called Jyotish classics

> do

> > not match the sanskrit style of the other vedic sanskrit

documents.

> > There is a suggestion that most of the jyotish classics would be

> > around a few hundred years old....

> > rishi

> >

> >

> >

> > , "Rohiniranjan"

> > <jyotish_vani@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Members,

> > >

> > > There have perhaps been many discussions around planets that

> happen

> > > to be exalted or debilitated in the natal horoscopes when

humans

> > are

> > > born.

> > >

> > > Examples are discussed when high-achieving nativities are

> > associated

> > > with exalted planets, particularly in on of the Mahapurusha

> yogas:

> > > Ruchaka, Hamsa, Malava/Malavya, Sasha, Bhadra! No such mention

> for

> > > exalted sun and moon! No really good classic explanation for

why

> > the

> > > LIGHTS were left out of this HALL OF FAME!

> > >

> > > And when exalted planets appear in horoscopes where these do

not

> > > participate in any mahapurusha yoga -- because the planets were

> in

> > > 8th, 11th, 2nd houses for instance in a dhanu rising horoscope -

-

>

> > one

> > > wonders, if only the person were to be born an hour later --

> with

> > > ruchaka, sasha and Hamsa yoga in the chart -- what could have

> been

> > > the result!

> > >

> > > When situations like these come across ones desk, one

> wonders ...!

> > >

> > > Is such a chart a harbinger of good lifetimes to come? Or is it

> > just

> > > a test thrown at the nativity to test his or her potential --

as

> a

> > > SOUL?

> > >

> > > Does anyone know? Has anyone examined this or similar

phenomenon?

> > >

> > > RR

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Nandini,

 

A preliminary datascan has been uploaded to my folder (mahapurusha

yoga data). Hopefully formatting did not get too screwed up during

the upload.

Some data-creep is possible between the private and public

categories, particularly some of the famous also appearing in the

private group (but no duplicate counting).

 

Some interesting examples of sampling bias also exist (research

caveat!)

 

, "kakan_leo" <kakan_leo

wrote:

>

> Sir,

>

> If I may.

>

> But who is a 'Mahapurush'? Who would be considered a Mahapurush by

> our present concept of 'Mahan'? And more relevantly, what was

> revered during the days when BPHS was supposedly written?

>

> Sun and Moon are karaks for father and mother respectively. Are the

> indications then that a 'mahapurush' in those days was someone who

> was born with an urge and innate knowledge not to get entangled

> in 'sangsarikta'?

>

> But theories will remain theories and useless until tested and

> proven. Maybe we could come up with a list of people that most of

us

> would consider mahapurush (along with their birth details) and then

>

> 1. Find out how many of them have a Mahapurush Yoga at all.

> 2. How many of them have Sun or Moon in exaltation or own house in

> kendras.

> 3. Combinations of 1 and 2.

>

> And then take it up from there to understand this better.

>

> Ambitious, Sir? You bet!

>

> Regards,

> Nandini.

>

> , "rishi_2000in"

> <rishi_2000in@> wrote:

> >

> > If I may be allowed to deviate from the currently accepted norms

> of

> > the classics.

> > When it is said, " Shani in Sasha yoga" it actually means that

> there

> > is a possibility or at best a probability of this particular

> > Mahapurush yoga getting activated subject to so many other

> variables.

> > The literal translation more often than not does not agree with

> the

> > stated results. So I would personally be inclined to accept

> > the 'impel' viewpoint.

> > Some sanskrit scholars opine that the so called Jyotish classics

> do

> > not match the sanskrit style of the other vedic sanskrit

documents.

> > There is a suggestion that most of the jyotish classics would be

> > around a few hundred years old....

> > rishi

> >

> >

> >

> > , "Rohiniranjan"

> > <jyotish_vani@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Members,

> > >

> > > There have perhaps been many discussions around planets that

> happen

> > > to be exalted or debilitated in the natal horoscopes when

humans

> > are

> > > born.

> > >

> > > Examples are discussed when high-achieving nativities are

> > associated

> > > with exalted planets, particularly in on of the Mahapurusha

> yogas:

> > > Ruchaka, Hamsa, Malava/Malavya, Sasha, Bhadra! No such mention

> for

> > > exalted sun and moon! No really good classic explanation for

why

> > the

> > > LIGHTS were left out of this HALL OF FAME!

> > >

> > > And when exalted planets appear in horoscopes where these do

not

> > > participate in any mahapurusha yoga -- because the planets were

> in

> > > 8th, 11th, 2nd houses for instance in a dhanu rising horoscope -

-

>

> > one

> > > wonders, if only the person were to be born an hour later --

> with

> > > ruchaka, sasha and Hamsa yoga in the chart -- what could have

> been

> > > the result!

> > >

> > > When situations like these come across ones desk, one

> wonders ...!

> > >

> > > Is such a chart a harbinger of good lifetimes to come? Or is it

> > just

> > > a test thrown at the nativity to test his or her potential --

as

> a

> > > SOUL?

> > >

> > > Does anyone know? Has anyone examined this or similar

phenomenon?

> > >

> > > RR

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Sir,

 

Thanks!

 

I have downloaded it and will get back after I go through it in

details.

 

Regards,

Nandini.

 

, "Rohiniranjan"

<jyotish_vani wrote:

>

> Nandini,

>

> A preliminary datascan has been uploaded to my folder (mahapurusha

> yoga data). Hopefully formatting did not get too screwed up during

> the upload.

> Some data-creep is possible between the private and public

> categories, particularly some of the famous also appearing in the

> private group (but no duplicate counting).

>

> Some interesting examples of sampling bias also exist (research

> caveat!)

>

> , "kakan_leo" <kakan_leo@>

> wrote:

> >

> > Sir,

> >

> > If I may.

> >

> > But who is a 'Mahapurush'? Who would be considered a Mahapurush

by

> > our present concept of 'Mahan'? And more relevantly, what was

> > revered during the days when BPHS was supposedly written?

> >

> > Sun and Moon are karaks for father and mother respectively. Are

the

> > indications then that a 'mahapurush' in those days was someone

who

> > was born with an urge and innate knowledge not to get entangled

> > in 'sangsarikta'?

> >

> > But theories will remain theories and useless until tested and

> > proven. Maybe we could come up with a list of people that most

of

> us

> > would consider mahapurush (along with their birth details) and

then

> >

> > 1. Find out how many of them have a Mahapurush Yoga at all.

> > 2. How many of them have Sun or Moon in exaltation or own house

in

> > kendras.

> > 3. Combinations of 1 and 2.

> >

> > And then take it up from there to understand this better.

> >

> > Ambitious, Sir? You bet!

> >

> > Regards,

> > Nandini.

> >

> > , "rishi_2000in"

> > <rishi_2000in@> wrote:

> > >

> > > If I may be allowed to deviate from the currently accepted

norms

> > of

> > > the classics.

> > > When it is said, " Shani in Sasha yoga" it actually means that

> > there

> > > is a possibility or at best a probability of this particular

> > > Mahapurush yoga getting activated subject to so many other

> > variables.

> > > The literal translation more often than not does not agree

with

> > the

> > > stated results. So I would personally be inclined to accept

> > > the 'impel' viewpoint.

> > > Some sanskrit scholars opine that the so called Jyotish

classics

> > do

> > > not match the sanskrit style of the other vedic sanskrit

> documents.

> > > There is a suggestion that most of the jyotish classics would

be

> > > around a few hundred years old....

> > > rishi

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > , "Rohiniranjan"

> > > <jyotish_vani@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Members,

> > > >

> > > > There have perhaps been many discussions around planets that

> > happen

> > > > to be exalted or debilitated in the natal horoscopes when

> humans

> > > are

> > > > born.

> > > >

> > > > Examples are discussed when high-achieving nativities are

> > > associated

> > > > with exalted planets, particularly in on of the Mahapurusha

> > yogas:

> > > > Ruchaka, Hamsa, Malava/Malavya, Sasha, Bhadra! No such

mention

> > for

> > > > exalted sun and moon! No really good classic explanation for

> why

> > > the

> > > > LIGHTS were left out of this HALL OF FAME!

> > > >

> > > > And when exalted planets appear in horoscopes where these do

> not

> > > > participate in any mahapurusha yoga -- because the planets

were

> > in

> > > > 8th, 11th, 2nd houses for instance in a dhanu rising

horoscope -

> -

> >

> > > one

> > > > wonders, if only the person were to be born an hour later --

> > with

> > > > ruchaka, sasha and Hamsa yoga in the chart -- what could

have

> > been

> > > > the result!

> > > >

> > > > When situations like these come across ones desk, one

> > wonders ...!

> > > >

> > > > Is such a chart a harbinger of good lifetimes to come? Or is

it

> > > just

> > > > a test thrown at the nativity to test his or her potential --

 

> as

> > a

> > > > SOUL?

> > > >

> > > > Does anyone know? Has anyone examined this or similar

> phenomenon?

> > > >

> > > > RR

> > > >

> > >

> >

>