Rumsfeld, Democrats and 2008 US elections

[Guest guest]

Folks

 

Donald Rumsfeld 9 July 1932 5.40pm Chicago, Illinois

This is (as far as I know) is rated AA from ADB

This gives last degrees of Scorpio lagna. But I feel his lagna is

Sagi. I analyzed his chart about a month back (after getting the

confirmation from ADB about the day light timing etc). His tenth

lord is in eighth house (Mercury for Sagi lagna) and I think it is

exalted in D10. He has had numerous short careers (high profile).

 

I deliberately did not post any prediction - simple reason is that

he would resign or get fired soon. There is no need to astrology if

you know the event. This was known to everybody who followed

politics.

 

Same goes with Democrats winning the House of representatives. It

was clealy known from the polls. Again astrologers who claim hat

they predicted this should show proof that they did this several

months back or years back. Otherwise it is a junk prediction knowing

the polling data (that influences your analysis)

 

If somebody had predicted that Democracts will win Senate majority

also then that would have been a qualified or excellent prediction.

 

Now the challenge:

Who will win the 2008 US Presidential Elections ??

1. Senator John McCain

2. Senator Hillay Clinton

3. Senator Barrack Obama

 

Other names: Guliani, Bloomberg (Independent), Mark Warner, Edwards,

Kerry, Bill Richardson

 

If somebody predicts (using vedic astrology) in Aug 2008 based on

polls - is it a valid prediction ?? Predict now !!

 

My prediction: Watch for Clinton and Richardson. Senator McCain it

appears has very minor chance. His Kanya lagna chart shows a double

transit touching his 12th house. Somehow his tenth house also gets

activated. I feel that his retirement seeds will be sown then. His

health may not permit him to do what he wants. There is Saturn in

Kumbha and Jupiter in Vrichika (sixth and seventh lord). He will

running this dasha (Saturn-Jupiter).

 

Richardson has a strong chat during 2008 chart. So does Hillary.

Bloomberg has a very good chart. HE could run as an independent.

More perhaps later...

Manjunath Sharma

[Guest guest]

Dear Manjunath

 

Thanks for confirming the data for Rumsfeld --it does help to start from some sense of accuracy with birth data before throwing myself at the mercy of my progs calculations!!!

 

I didn't know that Rumsfeld was due for a fall, but was interested in looking at the chart as I am learning how to apply some of sri Rao's charadasa techniques for rise and fall of eminent persons at the moment.

 

Are you saying that all those people may or not line up for the next election in US, and is there somewhere I can get their data from, or is it all on Rodden's site?

In the UK I tend to think William Hague will be the next Tory Prime Minister, Labour wont get in again, the Liberals might gain ground, but I am looking at the current contenders of the parties---Brown, Cameron and Kennedy--- once I get hold of all the data. have finally got hold of the conservative party chart, but only a date and no time, if anyone wants it

 

best wishes

M

 

 

 

-

M. Sharma

Friday, November 10, 2006 6:35 PM

Rumsfeld, Democrats and 2008 US elections

 

 

Folks

 

Donald Rumsfeld 9 July 1932 5.40pm Chicago, Illinois

This is (as far as I know) is rated AA from ADB

This gives last degrees of Scorpio lagna. But I feel his lagna is

Sagi. I analyzed his chart about a month back (after getting the

confirmation from ADB about the day light timing etc). His tenth

lord is in eighth house (Mercury for Sagi lagna) and I think it is

exalted in D10. He has had numerous short careers (high profile).

 

I deliberately did not post any prediction - simple reason is that

he would resign or get fired soon. There is no need to astrology if

you know the event. This was known to everybody who followed

politics.

 

Same goes with Democrats winning the House of representatives. It

was clealy known from the polls. Again astrologers who claim hat

they predicted this should show proof that they did this several

months back or years back. Otherwise it is a junk prediction knowing

the polling data (that influences your analysis)

 

If somebody had predicted that Democracts will win Senate majority

also then that would have been a qualified or excellent prediction.

 

Now the challenge:

Who will win the 2008 US Presidential Elections ??

1. Senator John McCain

2. Senator Hillay Clinton

3. Senator Barrack Obama

 

Other names: Guliani, Bloomberg (Independent), Mark Warner, Edwards,

Kerry, Bill Richardson

 

If somebody predicts (using vedic astrology) in Aug 2008 based on

polls - is it a valid prediction ?? Predict now !!

 

My prediction: Watch for Clinton and Richardson. Senator McCain it

appears has very minor chance. His Kanya lagna chart shows a double

transit touching his 12th house. Somehow his tenth house also gets

activated. I feel that his retirement seeds will be sown then. His

health may not permit him to do what he wants. There is Saturn in

Kumbha and Jupiter in Vrichika (sixth and seventh lord). He will

running this dasha (Saturn-Jupiter).

 

Richardson has a strong chat during 2008 chart. So does Hillary.

Bloomberg has a very good chart. HE could run as an independent.

More perhaps later...

Manjunath Sharma

[Guest guest]

Dear Manjunath:

 

Thank you very much for posting Mr. Rumsfeld's birth time.

 

It is quite helpful.

 

I do, however, think the time is right, and that the Scorpio rising sign fits.

 

The well placed Moon and Mercury, and the exchange of houses between the two, supported his rise to public office.

 

Scorpio rising signs can rises very high in public life. Bob Dylan, for example, is one such notable.

 

The aspect of Rahu on the Sun gives ambition to government life, position and power.

 

The powerful Mars, ruling the sixth house of conflict and enemies, in the seventh house of relationships, and aspecting the houses of career, reputation, and status all contribute to his position as Secretary of Defense.

 

His fall from power comes during the Venus sub period, which rules the twelfth house of losses, and which is placed in the eighth house, a dusthana bhava.

 

Additionally, Venus, is transiting his twelfth house, in close conjunction with the Sun, ruling government.

 

For the future....

 

I predict that he will have major heart problems between March 2009 and January 2010.

 

Best wishes,

 

David Hawthorne

Fairfield, Iowa USA

 

 

 

 

-

M. Sharma

Friday, November 10, 2006 12:35 PM

Rumsfeld, Democrats and 2008 US elections

 

 

Folks

 

Donald Rumsfeld 9 July 1932 5.40pm Chicago, Illinois

This is (as far as I know) is rated AA from ADB

This gives last degrees of Scorpio lagna. But I feel his lagna is

Sagi. I analyzed his chart about a month back (after getting the

confirmation from ADB about the day light timing etc). His tenth

lord is in eighth house (Mercury for Sagi lagna) and I think it is

exalted in D10. He has had numerous short careers (high profile).

 

I deliberately did not post any prediction - simple reason is that

he would resign or get fired soon. There is no need to astrology if

you know the event. This was known to everybody who followed

politics.

 

Same goes with Democrats winning the House of representatives. It

was clealy known from the polls. Again astrologers who claim hat

they predicted this should show proof that they did this several

months back or years back. Otherwise it is a junk prediction knowing

the polling data (that influences your analysis)

 

If somebody had predicted that Democracts will win Senate majority

also then that would have been a qualified or excellent prediction.

 

Now the challenge:

Who will win the 2008 US Presidential Elections ??

1. Senator John McCain

2. Senator Hillay Clinton

3. Senator Barrack Obama

 

Other names: Guliani, Bloomberg (Independent), Mark Warner, Edwards,

Kerry, Bill Richardson

 

If somebody predicts (using vedic astrology) in Aug 2008 based on

polls - is it a valid prediction ?? Predict now !!

 

My prediction: Watch for Clinton and Richardson. Senator McCain it

appears has very minor chance. His Kanya lagna chart shows a double

transit touching his 12th house. Somehow his tenth house also gets

activated. I feel that his retirement seeds will be sown then. His

health may not permit him to do what he wants. There is Saturn in

Kumbha and Jupiter in Vrichika (sixth and seventh lord). He will

running this dasha (Saturn-Jupiter).

 

Richardson has a strong chat during 2008 chart. So does Hillary.

Bloomberg has a very good chart. HE could run as an independent.

More perhaps later...

Manjunath Sharma

[Guest guest]

Manju,

 

It is impossible to predict the fortunes of a

political party. I have never seen anyone do it. One

can predict within reason, if one has accurate data an

individual race. It is just like predicting the

results of World Cup soccer or tournament winners

before the tournament starts and if there is not a

favourite team ( Like Australia winning at Cricket).

 

Do you have Mccain's data ? Or any of the other guys.

 

I can predict without jyotish that Obama will not win.

I doubt he will get nomination of his party. Unlikely

he can raise the money to make a national run.

 

Hilary has the money and the name, but I can not see

her winning. For a Democrat to Win he needs to be of a

conservative leaning and centrist and from the

bordering southern state.Anyway the only two who have

announced intentions are Vilsak of Iowa and Hunter.

Do you have data for them ? If you do, let see whether

we can predict how far their candidacy will go.

 

Most predictions that I have seen in print in the

political arena, even from well known astrologers is

just before the event, when polls are pointing in a

clear direction.

 

When there are so many unkowns , like who is going to

run, how can one make a prediction. This is just a

conjecture. Has Obama decided to run ? He is thinking

about it. What about Joe Biden, Do we know he may not

run. I have no problem someone making a prediction 1

year before when all the candidates have announced

their intention to run. If we can even do that it is

great step forward. No point saying later that it is

obvious from the chart after the fact.

 

The democrats winning the congress may make it hader

for democrat to win white house, especially liberal

democrat. people know the abuses and corruption of one

party rule. They will go for congress from one party

and president from the other party.

 

...Satish

 

--- "M. Sharma" <nakshatras > wrote:

 

> Folks

>

> Donald Rumsfeld 9 July 1932 5.40pm Chicago, Illinois

>

> This is (as far as I know) is rated AA from ADB

> This gives last degrees of Scorpio lagna. But I feel

> his lagna is

> Sagi. I analyzed his chart about a month back (after

> getting the

> confirmation from ADB about the day light timing

> etc). His tenth

> lord is in eighth house (Mercury for Sagi lagna) and

> I think it is

> exalted in D10. He has had numerous short careers

> (high profile).

>

> I deliberately did not post any prediction - simple

> reason is that

> he would resign or get fired soon. There is no need

> to astrology if

> you know the event. This was known to everybody who

> followed

> politics.

>

> Same goes with Democrats winning the House of

> representatives. It

> was clealy known from the polls. Again astrologers

> who claim hat

> they predicted this should show proof that they did

> this several

> months back or years back. Otherwise it is a junk

> prediction knowing

> the polling data (that influences your analysis)

>

> If somebody had predicted that Democracts will win

> Senate majority

> also then that would have been a qualified or

> excellent prediction.

>

> Now the challenge:

> Who will win the 2008 US Presidential Elections ??

> 1. Senator John McCain

> 2. Senator Hillay Clinton

> 3. Senator Barrack Obama

>

> Other names: Guliani, Bloomberg (Independent), Mark

> Warner, Edwards,

> Kerry, Bill Richardson

>

> If somebody predicts (using vedic astrology) in Aug

> 2008 based on

> polls - is it a valid prediction ?? Predict now !!

>

> My prediction: Watch for Clinton and Richardson.

> Senator McCain it

> appears has very minor chance. His Kanya lagna chart

> shows a double

> transit touching his 12th house. Somehow his tenth

> house also gets

> activated. I feel that his retirement seeds will be

> sown then. His

> health may not permit him to do what he wants. There

> is Saturn in

> Kumbha and Jupiter in Vrichika (sixth and seventh

> lord). He will

> running this dasha (Saturn-Jupiter).

>

> Richardson has a strong chat during 2008 chart. So

> does Hillary.

> Bloomberg has a very good chart. HE could run as an

> independent.

> More perhaps later...

> Manjunath Sharma

>

>

>

>

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Satish

See my reply

>

> It is impossible to predict the fortunes of a

> political party. I have never seen anyone do it.

 

Astrologers have done it consistently based on Congress I, Janata

Dal and BJP party formation charts.

 

 

> can predict within reason, if one has accurate data an

> individual race. It is just like predicting the

> results of World Cup soccer or tournament winners

> before the tournament starts and if there is not a

> favourite team ( Like Australia winning at Cricket).

>

> Do you have Mccain's data ? Or any of the other guys.

Check Astrodatabank for McCain's data. It is publicly availabe.

 

 

> I can predict without jyotish that Obama will not win.

> I doubt he will get nomination of his party. Unlikely

> he can raise the money to make a national run.

>

You are pre determined without checking his chart. Why do this ??

 

> Hilary has the money and the name, but I can not see

> her winning. For a Democrat to Win he needs to be of a

> conservative leaning and centrist and from the

> bordering southern state.Anyway the only two who have

> announced intentions are Vilsak of Iowa and Hunter.

> Do you have data for them ? If you do, let see whether

> we can predict how far their candidacy will go.

>

You are again predetermined or making your judgement without

checking the charts.

 

 

> Most predictions that I have seen in print in the

> political arena, even from well known astrologers is

> just before the event, when polls are pointing in a

> clear direction.

>

There are very well known predictions made in advance. Check

relevant magazines with verifiable notes.

 

 

> When there are so many unkowns , like who is going to

> run, how can one make a prediction. This is just a

> conjecture. Has Obama decided to run ? He is thinking

> about it. What about Joe Biden, Do we know he may not

> run. I have no problem someone making a prediction 1

> year before when all the candidates have announced

> their intention to run. If we can even do that it is

> great step forward. No point saying later that it is

> obvious from the chart after the fact.

>

> The democrats winning the congress may make it hader

> for democrat to win white house, especially liberal

> democrat. people know the abuses and corruption of one

> party rule. They will go for congress from one party

> and president from the other party.

 

Again you are jumping to conclusions without any astrology.

[Guest guest]

David

You are welcome. In both cases Scorpio or Sagi langa 10th lord goes to

eighth house ! I preferred the Sagi langa for Rumsfeld as his Mercury

dasa was running at the time of war. His Mercury dasa (7th lord of war

and also 10th lord for Sagi lagna) started in 2002 September. This

conicides well with Bush's Saturn dasa (again 7th lord). His strong

Mercury probably made him too analytical (a negative quality of strong

Mercury !)

 

In either case (lagna) it was clear that vimshottari dasha showed a

career break. I did not want to post this because it was clear that he

would go (resign or get fired) soon. It is really amazing that Bush

waited till after the elections. If he had done earlier there might

have been some hope for Republicans.

 

Manjunath Sharma

 

, "David Hawthorne" <david

wrote:

>

> Dear Manjunath:

>

> Thank you very much for posting Mr. Rumsfeld's birth time.

>

> It is quite helpful.

>

> I do, however, think the time is right, and that the Scorpio rising

sign fits.

>

>

[Guest guest]

Dear Mr Satish,

I predicted at a stretch from 1998 to 2011 about BJP and Congress charts and about India politics through party charts , printed prediction in Hindi are uploaded in file section in my group.

I think I was the only astrologer who declared boldly in 1999 that next Govt is of Congress after BJP alliance completion of term but will alliance and Sonia will not be PM.

I predicted about World Cup even before any team started playing in 2002 and one of my another group member too predicted the outcome.

I predicted twice about the 1st to 3rd positions and then for 1st and 2nd position well before a Cycle race ( some famous race ) which happen in Germany , i do not even remember now .

With Best wishes,

Inder Jit Sahni

 

-

SPK

Saturday, November 11, 2006 3:38 AM

Re: Rumsfeld, Democrats and 2008 US elections

 

 

Manju,

 

It is impossible to predict the fortunes of a

political party. I have never seen anyone do it. One

can predict within reason, if one has accurate data an

individual race. It is just like predicting the

results of World Cup soccer or tournament winners

before the tournament starts and if there is not a

favourite team ( Like Australia winning at Cricket).

 

Do you have Mccain's data ? Or any of the other guys.

 

I can predict without jyotish that Obama will not win.

I doubt he will get nomination of his party. Unlikely

he can raise the money to make a national run.

 

Hilary has the money and the name, but I can not see

her winning. For a Democrat to Win he needs to be of a

conservative leaning and centrist and from the

bordering southern state.Anyway the only two who have

announced intentions are Vilsak of Iowa and Hunter.

Do you have data for them ? If you do, let see whether

we can predict how far their candidacy will go.

 

Most predictions that I have seen in print in the

political arena, even from well known astrologers is

just before the event, when polls are pointing in a

clear direction.

 

When there are so many unkowns , like who is going to

run, how can one make a prediction. This is just a

conjecture. Has Obama decided to run ? He is thinking

about it. What about Joe Biden, Do we know he may not

run. I have no problem someone making a prediction 1

year before when all the candidates have announced

their intention to run. If we can even do that it is

great step forward. No point saying later that it is

obvious from the chart after the fact.

 

The democrats winning the congress may make it hader

for democrat to win white house, especially liberal

democrat. people know the abuses and corruption of one

party rule. They will go for congress from one party

and president from the other party.

 

..Satish

 

--- "M. Sharma" <nakshatras > wrote:

 

> Folks

>

> Donald Rumsfeld 9 July 1932 5.40pm Chicago, Illinois

>

> This is (as far as I know) is rated AA from ADB

> This gives last degrees of Scorpio lagna. But I feel

> his lagna is

> Sagi. I analyzed his chart about a month back (after

> getting the

> confirmation from ADB about the day light timing

> etc). His tenth

> lord is in eighth house (Mercury for Sagi lagna) and

> I think it is

> exalted in D10. He has had numerous short careers

> (high profile).

>

> I deliberately did not post any prediction - simple

> reason is that

> he would resign or get fired soon. There is no need

> to astrology if

> you know the event. This was known to everybody who

> followed

> politics.

>

> Same goes with Democrats winning the House of

> representatives. It

> was clealy known from the polls. Again astrologers

> who claim hat

> they predicted this should show proof that they did

> this several

> months back or years back. Otherwise it is a junk

> prediction knowing

> the polling data (that influences your analysis)

>

> If somebody had predicted that Democracts will win

> Senate majority

> also then that would have been a qualified or

> excellent prediction.

>

> Now the challenge:

> Who will win the 2008 US Presidential Elections ??

> 1. Senator John McCain

> 2. Senator Hillay Clinton

> 3. Senator Barrack Obama

>

> Other names: Guliani, Bloomberg (Independent), Mark

> Warner, Edwards,

> Kerry, Bill Richardson

>

> If somebody predicts (using vedic astrology) in Aug

> 2008 based on

> polls - is it a valid prediction ?? Predict now !!

>

> My prediction: Watch for Clinton and Richardson.

> Senator McCain it

> appears has very minor chance. His Kanya lagna chart

> shows a double

> transit touching his 12th house. Somehow his tenth

> house also gets

> activated. I feel that his retirement seeds will be

> sown then. His

> health may not permit him to do what he wants. There

> is Saturn in

> Kumbha and Jupiter in Vrichika (sixth and seventh

> lord). He will

> running this dasha (Saturn-Jupiter).

>

> Richardson has a strong chat during 2008 chart. So

> does Hillary.

> Bloomberg has a very good chart. HE could run as an

> independent.

> More perhaps later...

> Manjunath Sharma

>

>

>

>

 

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[Guest guest]

Manju,

 

One uses Astrology when the event is not predictable

by other means. Why you need Obamas chart, I do not

need it. It is unlikely he will win.

 

Who has done predictions on parties, most of them a re

based on opinion polls. Last election in India opinion

polls were pointing to BJP wins and ofcourse all

astrologers were predciting BJP win.

 

Anyway as for McCain, read the article below on msn,

that specifically points to his age and health.

 

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/15658782/

 

The reason astrology has such a low esteem among

rational people is because astrologers make much noise

about predictions that can be done by people in the

field by looking at the data other than planetary

configurations. Like you mentioned ,could anyone had

predicted Democrats taking congress back in 2004, even

if we had astro data of the democratic party? The

answer is in my opinion NO. I see more and more

astrologers predicting the knwon and not the unknown.

The known in the sense of statistically pointing

toward a certain outcome.

 

Satish

 

--- "M. Sharma" <nakshatras > wrote:

 

> Satish

> See my reply

> >

> > It is impossible to predict the fortunes of a

> > political party. I have never seen anyone do it.

>

> Astrologers have done it consistently based on

> Congress I, Janata

> Dal and BJP party formation charts.

>

>

> > can predict within reason, if one has accurate

> data an

> > individual race. It is just like predicting the

> > results of World Cup soccer or tournament winners

> > before the tournament starts and if there is not a

> > favourite team ( Like Australia winning at

> Cricket).

> >

> > Do you have Mccain's data ? Or any of the other

> guys.

> Check Astrodatabank for McCain's data. It is

> publicly availabe.

>

>

> > I can predict without jyotish that Obama will not

> win.

> > I doubt he will get nomination of his party.

> Unlikely

> > he can raise the money to make a national run.

> >

> You are pre determined without checking his chart.

> Why do this ??

>

> > Hilary has the money and the name, but I can not

> see

> > her winning. For a Democrat to Win he needs to be

> of a

> > conservative leaning and centrist and from the

> > bordering southern state.Anyway the only two who

> have

> > announced intentions are Vilsak of Iowa and

> Hunter.

> > Do you have data for them ? If you do, let see

> whether

> > we can predict how far their candidacy will go.

> >

> You are again predetermined or making your judgement

> without

> checking the charts.

>

>

> > Most predictions that I have seen in print in the

> > political arena, even from well known astrologers

> is

> > just before the event, when polls are pointing in

> a

> > clear direction.

> >

> There are very well known predictions made in

> advance. Check

> relevant magazines with verifiable notes.

>

>

> > When there are so many unkowns , like who is going

> to

> > run, how can one make a prediction. This is just a

> > conjecture. Has Obama decided to run ? He is

> thinking

> > about it. What about Joe Biden, Do we know he may

> not

> > run. I have no problem someone making a prediction

> 1

> > year before when all the candidates have announced

> > their intention to run. If we can even do that it

> is

> > great step forward. No point saying later that it

> is

> > obvious from the chart after the fact.

> >

> > The democrats winning the congress may make it

> hader

> > for democrat to win white house, especially

> liberal

> > democrat. people know the abuses and corruption of

> one

> > party rule. They will go for congress from one

> party

> > and president from the other party.

>

> Again you are jumping to conclusions without any

> astrology.

>

>

>

>

>

 

 

 

 

 

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I think Hillary's birthtime is unclear. Astrodatabank.com lists at least

three birth times for her, 6.03 am, 8.00 am and 8.01 pm. While I favour the

8..01 pm time, I am not certain of it. But her chart is strong in Nov

2008. Who knows -- maybe she'll run as Gore's VP candidate?

 

I have written elsewhere of the strength of Al Gore's chart (Mar 31 1948

12.48 pm Washington, DC) for the next election. He is running Rahu-Moon

dasha and Rahu is in his 10th house and Moon is lagnesh and is closely

conjunct Jupiter in the 6th of competitions. If I was a betting man, I

would divide my capital between Gore and Hillary Clinton, with most of it on

Gore. The additional upside to betting on Gore is that you can get good

odds on him right now since Hillary is the favourite. Actually there are a

couple of websites that offer betting opportunties and give current odds. (

www.intrade.com for example). This is good news for astrologers who feel

they have the inside scoop.

 

regards,

Chris

 

On 11/11/06, SPK <aquaris_rising > wrote:

>

> Manju,

>

> One uses Astrology when the event is not predictable

> by other means. Why you need Obamas chart, I do not

> need it. It is unlikely he will win.

>

> Who has done predictions on parties, most of them a re

> based on opinion polls. Last election in India opinion

> polls were pointing to BJP wins and ofcourse all

> astrologers were predciting BJP win.

>

> Anyway as for McCain, read the article below on msn,

> that specifically points to his age and health.

>

> http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/15658782/

>

> The reason astrology has such a low esteem among

> rational people is because astrologers make much noise

> about predictions that can be done by people in the

> field by looking at the data other than planetary

> configurations. Like you mentioned ,could anyone had

> predicted Democrats taking congress back in 2004, even

> if we had astro data of the democratic party? The

> answer is in my opinion NO. I see more and more

> astrologers predicting the knwon and not the unknown.

> The known in the sense of statistically pointing

> toward a certain outcome.

>

> Satish

>

> --- "M. Sharma" <nakshatras <nakshatras%40gmail.com>> wrote:

>

> > Satish

> > See my reply

> > >

> > > It is impossible to predict the fortunes of a

> > > political party. I have never seen anyone do it.

> >

> > Astrologers have done it consistently based on

> > Congress I, Janata

> > Dal and BJP party formation charts.

> >

> >

> > > can predict within reason, if one has accurate

> > data an

> > > individual race. It is just like predicting the

> > > results of World Cup soccer or tournament winners

> > > before the tournament starts and if there is not a

> > > favourite team ( Like Australia winning at

> > Cricket).

> > >

> > > Do you have Mccain's data ? Or any of the other

> > guys.

> > Check Astrodatabank for McCain's data. It is

> > publicly availabe.

> >

> >

> > > I can predict without jyotish that Obama will not

> > win.

> > > I doubt he will get nomination of his party.

> > Unlikely

> > > he can raise the money to make a national run.

> > >

> > You are pre determined without checking his chart.

> > Why do this ??

> >

> > > Hilary has the money and the name, but I can not

> > see

> > > her winning. For a Democrat to Win he needs to be

> > of a

> > > conservative leaning and centrist and from the

> > > bordering southern state.Anyway the only two who

> > have

> > > announced intentions are Vilsak of Iowa and

> > Hunter.

> > > Do you have data for them ? If you do, let see

> > whether

> > > we can predict how far their candidacy will go.

> > >

> > You are again predetermined or making your judgement

> > without

> > checking the charts.

> >

> >

> > > Most predictions that I have seen in print in the

> > > political arena, even from well known astrologers

> > is

> > > just before the event, when polls are pointing in

> > a

> > > clear direction.

> > >

> > There are very well known predictions made in

> > advance. Check

> > relevant magazines with verifiable notes.

> >

> >

> > > When there are so many unkowns , like who is going

> > to

> > > run, how can one make a prediction. This is just a

> > > conjecture. Has Obama decided to run ? He is

> > thinking

> > > about it. What about Joe Biden, Do we know he may

> > not

> > > run. I have no problem someone making a prediction

> > 1

> > > year before when all the candidates have announced

> > > their intention to run. If we can even do that it

> > is

> > > great step forward. No point saying later that it

> > is

> > > obvious from the chart after the fact.

> > >

> > > The democrats winning the congress may make it

> > hader

> > > for democrat to win white house, especially

> > liberal

> > > democrat. people know the abuses and corruption of

> > one

> > > party rule. They will go for congress from one

> > party

> > > and president from the other party.

> >

> > Again you are jumping to conclusions without any

> > astrology.

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

>

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