Fwd: Rumsfled data question (to Margaret)

[Guest guest]

Margaret

Rumsfeld data as clarified by Astrodatabank lady -Pat

FYI

 

 

---------- Forwarded message ----------

Pat <pat (AT) astrodatabank (DOT) com>

Sep 13, 2006 11:45 AM

RE: Rumsfled data question

M Sharma <nakshatras >

 

 

 

His birth certificate gives his time as 5:40 PM and we presume that it is

CST (Central Standard Time), even though daylight was in effect at the

time. Chicago law required birth times to be entered in standard time up

until 1959, regardless of whether daylight time was observed. I called the

records office in August 2005 to verify.

 

 

 

CST is six hours before GMT, so at 5:40 PM CST, the GMT equivalent

would be 11:40

PM.

 

 

 

>From Pat Taglilatelo

 

AstroDatabank Editor

 

 

 

Pat (AT) astrodatabank (DOT) com <%20Pat (AT) astrodatabank (DOT) com>

 

Visit our website: http://www.astrodatabank.com

 

 

 

 

** M Sharma [nakshatras ]

*Sent:* Wednesday, September 13, 2006 10:04 AM

*To:* Pat (AT) astrodatabank (DOT) com

*Subject:* Rumsfled data question

 

 

 

*Dear Pat*

 

*I have the data of Rumsfeld as*

 

 

 

*Donald **Rumsfeld** *9 July 1932 5.40pm Chicago , Illinois

 

 

Could please tell me if there was day light savings or not (what is the

correct GMT difference).

 

I am in the process of getting that book (time changes in USA).

 

Also kindly confirm or deny the data and the rating on the data.

 

Thank You

--

Sincerely,

Manjunath Sharma

 

 

--

Sincerely,

Manjunath Sharma

[Guest guest]

Thanks Manjunath

I tried to find the site someone on the list once posted a link for which told of all idiosyncrasies with US DST. I only have Doris Doane and a Carter book for time changes in Europe, and so have little experience of US changes and rules guiding these.

So if I stick to a straight no DST adjustment for 17:40 I also get a very cuspal asc as you do.

Can I be very cheeky and ask for the charadasa for Rumsfeld so I can look at how the gnatikaraka worked at this 'downfall' Please......................would be very appreciative if anyone would take the time to post it as PL haven't yet got back to me and it would take ages to do it manually, or is Jaganatha reliable and faithful to Mr Rao's calcs?

-

M Sharma

Friday, November 10, 2006 8:40 PM

Fwd: Rumsfled data question (to Margaret)

 

 

Margaret

Rumsfeld data as clarified by Astrodatabank lady -Pat

FYI

 

---------- Forwarded message ----------

Pat <pat (AT) astrodatabank (DOT) com>

Sep 13, 2006 11:45 AM

RE: Rumsfled data question

M Sharma <nakshatras >

 

His birth certificate gives his time as 5:40 PM and we presume that it is

CST (Central Standard Time), even though daylight was in effect at the

time. Chicago law required birth times to be entered in standard time up

until 1959, regardless of whether daylight time was observed. I called the

records office in August 2005 to verify.

 

CST is six hours before GMT, so at 5:40 PM CST, the GMT equivalent

would be 11:40

PM.

 

From Pat Taglilatelo

 

AstroDatabank Editor

 

Pat (AT) astrodatabank (DOT) com <%20Pat (AT) astrodatabank (DOT) com>

 

Visit our website: http://www.astrodatabank.com

 

** M Sharma [nakshatras ]

*Sent:* Wednesday, September 13, 2006 10:04 AM

*To:* Pat (AT) astrodatabank (DOT) com

*Subject:* Rumsfled data question

 

*Dear Pat*

 

*I have the data of Rumsfeld as*

 

*Donald **Rumsfeld** *9 July 1932 5.40pm Chicago , Illinois

 

Could please tell me if there was day light savings or not (what is the

correct GMT difference).

 

I am in the process of getting that book (time changes in USA).

 

Also kindly confirm or deny the data and the rating on the data.

 

Thank You

--

Sincerely,

Manjunath Sharma

 

--

Sincerely,

Manjunath Sharma

[Guest guest]

If I understand the email that Manjunath Sharma forwarded from Pat

Taglilatelo at astrodatabank (see below), it suggests that they issue

AA birth times that are not corrected for local law anomalies, such

as the law regarding pre 1959 birth times in Chicago.

 

If this is correct, this could mean that the astrology community has

unwittingly been using incorrect birth times from astrodatabank in

some cases. How many other such laws existed in other states and

counties and at what times?

 

This is potentially a serious problem for the credibility of

astrodatabank and astrology and it needs to be clarified by

astrodatabank.

 

Alan

 

 

Alan McCrindle

The Yoga Place

Level 1, 374 Darling Street

Balmain, NSW, 2041

Tel: 9555-7544

Mobile: 0417-655-601

http://www.yogaplace.com.au

 

 

On 11/11/2006, at 7:40 AM, M Sharma wrote:

 

> Margaret

> Rumsfeld data as clarified by Astrodatabank lady -Pat

> FYI

>

> ---------- Forwarded message ----------

> Pat <pat (AT) astrodatabank (DOT) com>

> Sep 13, 2006 11:45 AM

> RE: Rumsfled data question

> M Sharma <nakshatras >

>

> His birth certificate gives his time as 5:40 PM and we presume that

> it is

> CST (Central Standard Time), even though daylight was in effect at the

> time. Chicago law required birth times to be entered in standard

> time up

> until 1959, regardless of whether daylight time was observed. I

> called the

> records office in August 2005 to verify.

>

> CST is six hours before GMT, so at 5:40 PM CST, the GMT equivalent

> would be 11:40

> PM.

>

> From Pat Taglilatelo

>

> AstroDatabank Editor

>

> Pat (AT) astrodatabank (DOT) com <%20Pat (AT) astrodatabank (DOT) com>

>

> Visit our website: http://www.astrodatabank.com

>

>

> ** M Sharma [nakshatras ]

> *Sent:* Wednesday, September 13, 2006 10:04 AM

> *To:* Pat (AT) astrodatabank (DOT) com

> *Subject:* Rumsfled data question

>

> *Dear Pat*

>

> *I have the data of Rumsfeld as*

>

> *Donald **Rumsfeld** *9 July 1932 5.40pm Chicago , Illinois

>

> Could please tell me if there was day light savings or not (what is

> the

> correct GMT difference).

>

> I am in the process of getting that book (time changes in USA).

>

> Also kindly confirm or deny the data and the rating on the data.

>

> Thank You

> --

> Sincerely,

> Manjunath Sharma

>

> --

> Sincerely,

> Manjunath Sharma

>

>

[Guest guest]

Margaret

JHora does the KN Rao calcs correctly. There was a minor error that

Narasimha fixed I believe.

 

I am posting two cases. You can download the JHora for free.

Here are the calcs.

 

With Sagi lagna:chara dasha from JHora using KN Rao method is as

follows.

Chara dasa of K.N.Rao (modified version of a phalita rasi dasa):

 

Sc MD: 2002-07-09 - 2011-07-09

 

Antardasas in this MD:

 

Li: 2002-07-09 - 2003-04-09

Vi: 2003-04-09 - 2004-01-08

Le: 2004-01-08 - 2004-10-08

Cn: 2004-10-08 - 2005-07-09

Ge: 2005-07-09 - 2006-04-09

Ta: 2006-04-09 - 2007-01-08

Ar: 2007-01-08 - 2007-10-09

Pi: 2007-10-09 - 2008-07-09

Aq: 2008-07-09 - 2009-04-09

Cp: 2009-04-09 - 2010-01-08

Sg: 2010-01-08 - 2010-10-08

Sc: 2010-10-08 - 2011-07-09

 

 

Using Scorpio lagna using Scorpio lagna is as follows.

 

Chara dasa of K.N.Rao (modified version of a phalita rasi dasa):

 

Li MD: 2003-07-09 - 2011-07-09

 

Antardasas in this MD:

 

Sc: 2003-07-09 - 2004-03-09

Sg: 2004-03-09 - 2004-11-07

Cp: 2004-11-07 - 2005-07-09

Aq: 2005-07-09 - 2006-03-09

Pi: 2006-03-09 - 2006-11-08

Ar: 2006-11-08 - 2007-07-09

Ta: 2007-07-09 - 2008-03-09

Ge: 2008-03-09 - 2008-11-07

Cn: 2008-11-07 - 2009-07-09

Le: 2009-07-09 - 2010-03-09

Vi: 2010-03-09 - 2010-11-08

Li: 2010-11-08 - 2011-07-09

 

 

Hopr this helps.

MS

 

-- In , "Marg" <margie9 wrote:

>

> Thanks Manjunath

> I tried to find the site someone on the list once posted a link

for which told of all idiosyncrasies with US DST. I only have Doris

Doane and a Carter book for time changes in Europe, and so have

little experience of US changes and rules guiding these.

> So if I stick to a straight no DST adjustment for 17:40 I also get

a very cuspal asc as you do.

> Can I be very cheeky and ask for the charadasa for Rumsfeld so I

can look at how the gnatikaraka worked at this 'downfall'

Please......................would be very appreciative if anyone

would take the time to post it as PL haven't yet got back to me and

it would take ages to do it manually, or is Jaganatha reliable and

faithful to Mr Rao's calcs?

> -

> M Sharma

>

> Friday, November 10, 2006 8:40 PM

> Fwd: Rumsfled data question (to Margaret)

>

>

> Margaret

> Rumsfeld data as clarified by Astrodatabank lady -Pat

> FYI

>

> ---------- Forwarded message ----------

> Pat <pat

> Sep 13, 2006 11:45 AM

> RE: Rumsfled data question

> M Sharma <nakshatras

>

> His birth certificate gives his time as 5:40 PM and we presume

that it is

> CST (Central Standard Time), even though daylight was in effect

at the

> time. Chicago law required birth times to be entered in standard

time up

> until 1959, regardless of whether daylight time was observed. I

called the

> records office in August 2005 to verify.

>

> CST is six hours before GMT, so at 5:40 PM CST, the GMT

equivalent

> would be 11:40

> PM.

>

> From Pat Taglilatelo

>

> AstroDatabank Editor

>

> Pat <%20Pat

>

> Visit our website: http://www.astrodatabank.com

>

>

> ** M Sharma [nakshatras]

> *Sent:* Wednesday, September 13, 2006 10:04 AM

> *To:* Pat

> *Subject:* Rumsfled data question

>

> *Dear Pat*

>

> *I have the data of Rumsfeld as*

>

> *Donald **Rumsfeld** *9 July 1932 5.40pm Chicago , Illinois

>

> Could please tell me if there was day light savings or not (what

is the

> correct GMT difference).

>

> I am in the process of getting that book (time changes in USA).

>

> Also kindly confirm or deny the data and the rating on the data.

>

> Thank You

> --

> Sincerely,

> Manjunath Sharma

>

> --

> Sincerely,

> Manjunath Sharma

>

>

[Guest guest]

Thanks very much for this I really appreciate it as I know how much time it takes to type up the info. I do have JH so will cross check it your calcs now to see if mine is a non updated version.

thankyou Manjunath

-

M. Sharma

Saturday, November 11, 2006 2:25 AM

Re: Fwd: Rumsfled data question (to Margaret)

 

 

Margaret

JHora does the KN Rao calcs correctly. There was a minor error that

Narasimha fixed I believe.

 

I am posting two cases. You can download the JHora for free.

Here are the calcs.

 

With Sagi lagna:chara dasha from JHora using KN Rao method is as

follows.

Chara dasa of K.N.Rao (modified version of a phalita rasi dasa):

 

Sc MD: 2002-07-09 - 2011-07-09

 

Antardasas in this MD:

 

Li: 2002-07-09 - 2003-04-09

Vi: 2003-04-09 - 2004-01-08

Le: 2004-01-08 - 2004-10-08

Cn: 2004-10-08 - 2005-07-09

Ge: 2005-07-09 - 2006-04-09

Ta: 2006-04-09 - 2007-01-08

Ar: 2007-01-08 - 2007-10-09

Pi: 2007-10-09 - 2008-07-09

Aq: 2008-07-09 - 2009-04-09

Cp: 2009-04-09 - 2010-01-08

Sg: 2010-01-08 - 2010-10-08

Sc: 2010-10-08 - 2011-07-09

 

Using Scorpio lagna using Scorpio lagna is as follows.

 

Chara dasa of K.N.Rao (modified version of a phalita rasi dasa):

 

Li MD: 2003-07-09 - 2011-07-09

 

Antardasas in this MD:

 

Sc: 2003-07-09 - 2004-03-09

Sg: 2004-03-09 - 2004-11-07

Cp: 2004-11-07 - 2005-07-09

Aq: 2005-07-09 - 2006-03-09

Pi: 2006-03-09 - 2006-11-08

Ar: 2006-11-08 - 2007-07-09

Ta: 2007-07-09 - 2008-03-09

Ge: 2008-03-09 - 2008-11-07

Cn: 2008-11-07 - 2009-07-09

Le: 2009-07-09 - 2010-03-09

Vi: 2010-03-09 - 2010-11-08

Li: 2010-11-08 - 2011-07-09

 

Hopr this helps.

MS

 

-- In , "Marg" <margie9 wrote:

>

> Thanks Manjunath

> I tried to find the site someone on the list once posted a link

for which told of all idiosyncrasies with US DST. I only have Doris

Doane and a Carter book for time changes in Europe, and so have

little experience of US changes and rules guiding these.

> So if I stick to a straight no DST adjustment for 17:40 I also get

a very cuspal asc as you do.

> Can I be very cheeky and ask for the charadasa for Rumsfeld so I

can look at how the gnatikaraka worked at this 'downfall'

Please......................would be very appreciative if anyone

would take the time to post it as PL haven't yet got back to me and

it would take ages to do it manually, or is Jaganatha reliable and

faithful to Mr Rao's calcs?

> -

> M Sharma

>

> Friday, November 10, 2006 8:40 PM

> Fwd: Rumsfled data question (to Margaret)

>

>

> Margaret

> Rumsfeld data as clarified by Astrodatabank lady -Pat

> FYI

>

> ---------- Forwarded message ----------

> Pat <pat

> Sep 13, 2006 11:45 AM

> RE: Rumsfled data question

> M Sharma <nakshatras

>

> His birth certificate gives his time as 5:40 PM and we presume

that it is

> CST (Central Standard Time), even though daylight was in effect

at the

> time. Chicago law required birth times to be entered in standard

time up

> until 1959, regardless of whether daylight time was observed. I

called the

> records office in August 2005 to verify.

>

> CST is six hours before GMT, so at 5:40 PM CST, the GMT

equivalent

> would be 11:40

> PM.

>

> From Pat Taglilatelo

>

> AstroDatabank Editor

>

> Pat <%20Pat

>

> Visit our website: http://www.astrodatabank.com

>

>

> ** M Sharma [nakshatras]

> *Sent:* Wednesday, September 13, 2006 10:04 AM

> *To:* Pat

> *Subject:* Rumsfled data question

>

> *Dear Pat*

>

> *I have the data of Rumsfeld as*

>

> *Donald **Rumsfeld** *9 July 1932 5.40pm Chicago , Illinois

>

> Could please tell me if there was day light savings or not (what

is the

> correct GMT difference).

>

> I am in the process of getting that book (time changes in USA).

>

> Also kindly confirm or deny the data and the rating on the data.

>

> Thank You

> --

> Sincerely,

> Manjunath Sharma

>

> --

> Sincerely,

> Manjunath Sharma

>

>

[Guest guest]

Dear Alan,

 

Astro.com shows 5 hr west of GMT as the correction for that date and

time for Chicago Illinois with daylight saving being operative.

Chandrashekhar

 

McCrindle Alan wrote:

>

> If I understand the email that Manjunath Sharma forwarded from Pat

> Taglilatelo at astrodatabank (see below), it suggests that they issue

> AA birth times that are not corrected for local law anomalies, such

> as the law regarding pre 1959 birth times in Chicago.

>

> If this is correct, this could mean that the astrology community has

> unwittingly been using incorrect birth times from astrodatabank in

> some cases. How many other such laws existed in other states and

> counties and at what times?

>

> This is potentially a serious problem for the credibility of

> astrodatabank and astrology and it needs to be clarified by

> astrodatabank.

>

> Alan

>

> Alan McCrindle

> The Yoga Place

> Level 1, 374 Darling Street

> Balmain, NSW, 2041

> Tel: 9555-7544

> Mobile: 0417-655-601

> http://www.yogaplace.com.au <http://www.yogaplace.com.au>

>

> On 11/11/2006, at 7:40 AM, M Sharma wrote:

>

> > Margaret

> > Rumsfeld data as clarified by Astrodatabank lady -Pat

> > FYI

> >

> > ---------- Forwarded message ----------

> > Pat <pat (AT) astrodatabank (DOT) com <pat%40astrodatabank.com>>

> > Sep 13, 2006 11:45 AM

> > RE: Rumsfled data question

> > M Sharma <nakshatras <nakshatras%40gmail.com>>

> >

> > His birth certificate gives his time as 5:40 PM and we presume that

> > it is

> > CST (Central Standard Time), even though daylight was in effect at the

> > time. Chicago law required birth times to be entered in standard

> > time up

> > until 1959, regardless of whether daylight time was observed. I

> > called the

> > records office in August 2005 to verify.

> >

> > CST is six hours before GMT, so at 5:40 PM CST, the GMT equivalent

> > would be 11:40

> > PM.

> >

> > From Pat Taglilatelo

> >

> > AstroDatabank Editor

> >

> > Pat (AT) astrodatabank (DOT) com <Pat%40astrodatabank.com>

> <%20Pat (AT) astrodatabank (DOT) com <%2520Pat%40astrodatabank.com>>

> >

> > Visit our website: http://www.astrodatabank.com

> <http://www.astrodatabank.com>

> >

> >

> > ** M Sharma [nakshatras

> <nakshatras%40gmail.com>]

> > *Sent:* Wednesday, September 13, 2006 10:04 AM

> > *To:* Pat (AT) astrodatabank (DOT) com <Pat%40astrodatabank.com>

> > *Subject:* Rumsfled data question

> >

> > *Dear Pat*

> >

> > *I have the data of Rumsfeld as*

> >

> > *Donald **Rumsfeld** *9 July 1932 5.40pm Chicago , Illinois

> >

> > Could please tell me if there was day light savings or not (what is

> > the

> > correct GMT difference).

> >

> > I am in the process of getting that book (time changes in USA).

> >

> > Also kindly confirm or deny the data and the rating on the data.

> >

> > Thank You

> > --

> > Sincerely,

> > Manjunath Sharma

> >

> > --

> > Sincerely,

> > Manjunath Sharma

> >

> >