Fwd: Astrodatabank birthdata Problems - what can we trust??

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Manjunath,

 

I am pleased that your brought it up because it enlightened me to

something I was ignorant of.

 

Pat emailed me and I have included her and my response to her email

below.

 

As you can see from it, I was not doubting their integrity, rather

the doubt now raised in my mind about whether I need to ever think of

adjusting their data so my software works properly. It was previously

a case of ignorance is bliss, Awareness has its inconvenient costs!

 

Alan

 

Alan McCrindle

The Yoga Place

Level 1, 374 Darling Street

Balmain, NSW, 2041

Tel: 9555-7544

Mobile: 0417-655-601

http://www.yogaplace.com.au

 

 

 

 

> McCrindle Alan <alan (AT) yogaplace (DOT) com.au>

> 11 November 2006 1:51:20 PM

> Pat <pat (AT) astrodatabank (DOT) com>

> Re: Astrodatabank birthdata Problems - what can we trust??

>

> Hi Pat,

>

> thanks for your quick reply and your suggestion.

>

> I was in no way doubting your integrity and intention to give

> accurate birth data.

>

> The doubt I was talking about was not about AstroDataBank's

> integrity, rather the doubt in my mind about whether I needed to

> make any adjustments to the data.

>

> This was the first time I had become aware that any issues like the

> pre 59 law existed in Chicago. In my ignorance this led me to

> blindly use the birth time of 17.40. My Jyotish software then

> automatically used the 6hr time difference from GMT and factored in

> 1hr daylight saving, as I am sure most Jyotish software does. The

> result being a one hour error. There are probably many other people

> out there who are as ignorant as I was.

>

>

> As I see it, there are at least three ways to go with this. One is

> to have birth times adjusted back to a standardized time so users

> don't have to wonder if there are any legal requirements etc to

> contend with. The second is for software manufacturers to build

> into their software conditions that take into account these issues

> and automatically adjust for them or at least flash something up to

> the user that there may be an problem. The third is to leave data

> as per legal requirement and leave it up to the user to be aware

> that they need to check (the current status as I under it now).

>

> Thanks again for your reply.

>

> Alan

>

> Alan McCrindle

> The Yoga Place

> Level 1, 374 Darling Street

> Balmain, NSW, 2041

> Tel: 9555-7544

> Mobile: 0417-655-601

> http://www.yogaplace.com.au

>

>

> On 11/11/2006, at 9:39 AM, Pat wrote:

>

>> Dear Alan:

>>

>>

>> You can trust that AstroDatabank’s source notes for each record

>> are as complete as possible. You can also trust that when I make

>> a mistake, I try to correct it as soon as possible via our

>> webupdate system in the AstroDatabank program. When I find a

>> discrepancy/potential mistake that Lois Rodden made when she was

>> alive, I try to investigate it as fully as I can and, if a mistake

>> was made, I likewise correct it as soon as possible.

>>

>>

>> Rumsfeld’s birth certificate gives the time as given in our

>> program. Illinois law at the time of his birth required that the

>> time be recorded in standard time. If you have a specific

>> question or concern, then you are welcome to write to me. I want

>> AstroDatabank to be as accurate as possible as did Lois, and we

>> try to investigate to the best of our very human ability.

>>

>>

>> From Pat Taglilatelo

>>

>> AstroDatabank Editor

>>

>>

>> Pat (AT) astrodatabank (DOT) com

>>

>> Visit our website: http://www.astrodatabank.com

>>

>>

>>

>> McCrindle Alan [alan (AT) yogaplace (DOT) com.au]

>> Friday, November 10, 2006 5:13 PM

>>

>> Cc: pat (AT) astrodatabank (DOT) com

>> Astrodatabank birthdata Problems - what can we trust??

>>

>>

>> If I understand the email that Manjunath Sharma forwarded from

>> Pat Taglilatelo at astrodatabank (see below), it suggests that

>> they issue AA birth times that are not corrected for local law

>> anomalies, such as the law regarding pre 1959 birth times in Chicago.

>>

>>

>> If this is correct, this could mean that the astrology community

>> has unwittingly been using incorrect birth times from

>> astrodatabank in some cases. How many other such laws existed in

>> other states and counties and at what times?

>>

>>

>> This is potentially a serious problem for the credibility of

>> astrodatabank and astrology and it needs to be clarified by

>> astrodatabank.

>>

>>

>> Alan

>>

>>

>>

>> Alan McCrindle

>> The Yoga Place

>> Level 1, 374 Darling Street

>> Balmain, NSW, 2041

>> Tel: 9555-7544

>> Mobile: 0417-655-601

>> http://www.yogaplace.com.au

>>

>>

>>

>>

>> On 11/11/2006, at 7:40 AM, M Sharma wrote:

>>

>>

>>

>>

>> Margaret

>> Rumsfeld data as clarified by Astrodatabank lady -Pat

>> FYI

>>

>> ---------- Forwarded message ----------

>> Pat <pat (AT) astrodatabank (DOT) com>

>> Sep 13, 2006 11:45 AM

>> RE: Rumsfled data question

>> M Sharma <nakshatras >

>>

>> His birth certificate gives his time as 5:40 PM and we presume

>> that it is

>> CST (Central Standard Time), even though daylight was in effect at

>> the

>> time. Chicago law required birth times to be entered in standard

>> time up

>> until 1959, regardless of whether daylight time was observed. I

>> called the

>> records office in August 2005 to verify.

>>

>> CST is six hours before GMT, so at 5:40 PM CST, the GMT equivalent

>> would be 11:40

>> PM.

>>

>> From Pat Taglilatelo

>>

>> AstroDatabank Editor

>>

>> Pat (AT) astrodatabank (DOT) com <%20Pat (AT) astrodatabank (DOT) com>

>>

>> Visit our website: http://www.astrodatabank.com

>>

>>

>> ** M Sharma [nakshatras ]

>> *Sent:* Wednesday, September 13, 2006 10:04 AM

>> *To:* Pat (AT) astrodatabank (DOT) com

>> *Subject:* Rumsfled data question

>>

>> *Dear Pat*

>>

>> *I have the data of Rumsfeld as*

>>

>> *Donald **Rumsfeld** *9 July 1932 5.40pm Chicago , Illinois

>>

>> Could please tell me if there was day light savings or not (what

>> is the

>> correct GMT difference).

>>

>> I am in the process of getting that book (time changes in USA).

>>

>> Also kindly confirm or deny the data and the rating on the data.

>>

>> Thank You

>> --

>> Sincerely,

>> Manjunath Sharma

>>

>> --

>> Sincerely,

>> Manjunath Sharma

>>

>>