Guest guest Posted November 11, 2006 Report Share Posted November 11, 2006 Saturn the DIRE malefic par none (anyone dare challenge? Based on personal experiences with illustrations ??) -- the ayushkaraka when in the 8th in its domain despite karako bhav nashaaya adage has been claimed to be associated with a long life! Why? HOW?? The moments when we awaken and begin to ask questions may be meaningless for all others but ONLY when we awaken individually do we begin to LIVE! RR , "Rohiniranjan" <jyotish_vani wrote: > > Absolutely Sir! > > The Collective Conscience, the Collective Memory, the realm that is > defined as death but really is beyond death and hence classically > also described as longevity and mangalya? > > Good sleuthing! > > RR > , "rishi_2000in" > <rishi_2000in@> wrote: > > > > Would 8th house be involved in Memory? > > Obviously thereshould be different Jyotish aspectsfor short term > and > > longterm memory. > > rishi > > > > > > , "Rohiniranjan" > > <jyotish_vani@> wrote: > > > > > > All very good points Rishi. Like the moon, the memory is > wavering, > > > fluctuating! Perhaps other influences crystalize certain > > experiences > > > and they become more stable, long-term memories. There is > > biological > > > evidence for different types of memories and how they are stored > > and > > > retrieved. Many a times, the memory is there but just cannot be > > > retrieved readily, like that word that is right on the tip of the > > > tongue and suddenly we recall it moments later. > > > > > > I will reserve any comments on the situation where individuals > have > > > similar or identical charts (twins) with similar dashas and yet > one > > > goes north, the other south. It would be too speculative to > examine > > > that without examples. I have not looked into that and do not > > recall > > > anyone else that might have reported such a study. > > > > > > RR > > > > > > > > > > > > , "rishi_2000in" > > > <rishi_2000in@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Intentions can initiate but then events become independent and > > mould > > > > their own future! > > > > The promises in a chart often need a trigger in terms of either > > > > dashas or transits. But then the same triggers apply to all > > similar > > > > charts and only one out of several individuals are able to > > optimise > > > > their potential. > > > > What Karmas, what truths or simply "what" makes the difference > is > > the > > > > question. > > > > Memories are again not simple. Some have excellent recall of > near > > > > past events, while some of distant past. Some retain > > trivialiaties > > > > while others the substance. Why should I be able to , for > > example, > > > > recollect almost everything of a particular year and am blank > > about > > > > the last year? > > > > rishi > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 12, 2006 Report Share Posted November 12, 2006 {Om Namo Narayanaya} Dear RRji, Rishi ji, Nandini ji, Namaskar. Who is a malefic? One who gives you bitter experiences that you swallow at first with distaste& difficulty so that everything that follows, experiences I mean and not necessarily epicurean, do lose their bitterness and no wonder might even be palatable if not *sweet*. Or on the flip side, one who gives you *so much*, everything you crave for, all *sweetness* and *light* that you are totally out of control with the *reality* and are devastated at even a *sour* taste leave alone bitter,and it takes you so many *lifetimes* to connect with reality? Who is a malefic and who is a benefic? Further who is a dire/rank malefic? I am musing aloud, do correct me please.... On the personal side I would throw my weight with the former as he/it alone would provide me with the necessary *papers* for my *stay* here and would also *stamp* my visa/travel documents, whatever are required for a safe onward journey onto life.... Personally I would not know if Shani Maharaj is a *malefic* in my chart??? All I know is whosoever is/are the primary *karaka/s* for my experiences/memories are all truly benefic, for they have made me 'come to terms with' - because 'realise' is tooo sensitive a word (for me),what I am , why I am what I am ..... Ignore the surfeit of I and pray donot take it as something other that what it is supposed to mean as contextually this was a thread asking for personal experiences/challenges et al. So now do tell me please, Who is a Malefic and who is a Benefic. I am waiting... Nalini , "Rohiniranjan" <jyotish_vani wrote: > > Saturn the DIRE malefic par none (anyone dare challenge? Based on > personal experiences with illustrations ??) -- the ayushkaraka when > in the 8th in its domain despite karako bhav nashaaya adage has been > claimed to be associated with a long life! > > Why? HOW?? > > The moments when we awaken and begin to ask questions may be > meaningless for all others but ONLY when we awaken individually do we > begin to LIVE! > > RR > > > > , "Rohiniranjan" > <jyotish_vani@> wrote: > > > > Absolutely Sir! > > > > The Collective Conscience, the Collective Memory, the realm that is > > defined as death but really is beyond death and hence classically > > also described as longevity and mangalya? > > > > Good sleuthing! > > > > RR > > , "rishi_2000in" > > <rishi_2000in@> wrote: > > > > > > Would 8th house be involved in Memory? > > > Obviously thereshould be different Jyotish aspectsfor short term > > and > > > longterm memory. > > > rishi > > > > > > > > > , "Rohiniranjan" > > > <jyotish_vani@> wrote: > > > > > > > > All very good points Rishi. Like the moon, the memory is > > wavering, > > > > fluctuating! Perhaps other influences crystalize certain > > > experiences > > > > and they become more stable, long-term memories. There is > > > biological > > > > evidence for different types of memories and how they are > stored > > > and > > > > retrieved. Many a times, the memory is there but just cannot be > > > > retrieved readily, like that word that is right on the tip of > the > > > > tongue and suddenly we recall it moments later. > > > > > > > > I will reserve any comments on the situation where individuals > > have > > > > similar or identical charts (twins) with similar dashas and yet > > one > > > > goes north, the other south. It would be too speculative to > > examine > > > > that without examples. I have not looked into that and do not > > > recall > > > > anyone else that might have reported such a study. > > > > > > > > RR > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , "rishi_2000in" > > > > <rishi_2000in@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Intentions can initiate but then events become independent > and > > > mould > > > > > their own future! > > > > > The promises in a chart often need a trigger in terms of > either > > > > > dashas or transits. But then the same triggers apply to all > > > similar > > > > > charts and only one out of several individuals are able to > > > optimise > > > > > their potential. > > > > > What Karmas, what truths or simply "what" makes the > difference > > is > > > the > > > > > question. > > > > > Memories are again not simple. Some have excellent recall of > > near > > > > > past events, while some of distant past. Some retain > > > trivialiaties > > > > > while others the substance. Why should I be able to , for > > > example, > > > > > recollect almost everything of a particular year and am blank > > > about > > > > > the last year? > > > > > rishi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 13, 2006 Report Share Posted November 13, 2006 lol.......interesting.. Rohini Ji, i have saturn in 8th house. Ask me about its dasa. I am running it from 2000. Best Wishes Jagdish auromirra19 <nalini2818 > wrote: {Om Namo Narayanaya} Dear RRji, Rishi ji, Nandini ji, Namaskar. Who is a malefic? One who gives you bitter experiences that you swallow at first with distaste& difficulty so that everything that follows, experiences I mean and not necessarily epicurean, do lose their bitterness and no wonder might even be palatable if not *sweet*. Or on the flip side, one who gives you *so much*, everything you crave for, all *sweetness* and *light* that you are totally out of control with the *reality* and are devastated at even a *sour* taste leave alone bitter,and it takes you so many *lifetimes* to connect with reality? Who is a malefic and who is a benefic? Further who is a dire/rank malefic? I am musing aloud, do correct me please.... On the personal side I would throw my weight with the former as he/it alone would provide me with the necessary *papers* for my *stay* here and would also *stamp* my visa/travel documents, whatever are required for a safe onward journey onto life.... Personally I would not know if Shani Maharaj is a *malefic* in my chart??? All I know is whosoever is/are the primary *karaka/s* for my experiences/memories are all truly benefic, for they have made me 'come to terms with' - because 'realise' is tooo sensitive a word (for me),what I am , why I am what I am ..... Ignore the surfeit of I and pray donot take it as something other that what it is supposed to mean as contextually this was a thread asking for personal experiences/challenges et al. So now do tell me please, Who is a Malefic and who is a Benefic. I am waiting... Nalini , "Rohiniranjan" <jyotish_vani wrote: > > Saturn the DIRE malefic par none (anyone dare challenge? Based on > personal experiences with illustrations ??) -- the ayushkaraka when > in the 8th in its domain despite karako bhav nashaaya adage has been > claimed to be associated with a long life! > > Why? HOW?? > > The moments when we awaken and begin to ask questions may be > meaningless for all others but ONLY when we awaken individually do we > begin to LIVE! > > RR > > > > , "Rohiniranjan" > <jyotish_vani@> wrote: > > > > Absolutely Sir! > > > > The Collective Conscience, the Collective Memory, the realm that is > > defined as death but really is beyond death and hence classically > > also described as longevity and mangalya? > > > > Good sleuthing! > > > > RR > > , "rishi_2000in" > > <rishi_2000in@> wrote: > > > > > > Would 8th house be involved in Memory? > > > Obviously thereshould be different Jyotish aspectsfor short term > > and > > > longterm memory. > > > rishi > > > > > > > > > , "Rohiniranjan" > > > <jyotish_vani@> wrote: > > > > > > > > All very good points Rishi. Like the moon, the memory is > > wavering, > > > > fluctuating! Perhaps other influences crystalize certain > > > experiences > > > > and they become more stable, long-term memories. There is > > > biological > > > > evidence for different types of memories and how they are > stored > > > and > > > > retrieved. Many a times, the memory is there but just cannot be > > > > retrieved readily, like that word that is right on the tip of > the > > > > tongue and suddenly we recall it moments later. > > > > > > > > I will reserve any comments on the situation where individuals > > have > > > > similar or identical charts (twins) with similar dashas and yet > > one > > > > goes north, the other south. It would be too speculative to > > examine > > > > that without examples. I have not looked into that and do not > > > recall > > > > anyone else that might have reported such a study. > > > > > > > > RR > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , "rishi_2000in" > > > > <rishi_2000in@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Intentions can initiate but then events become independent > and > > > mould > > > > > their own future! > > > > > The promises in a chart often need a trigger in terms of > either > > > > > dashas or transits. But then the same triggers apply to all > > > similar > > > > > charts and only one out of several individuals are able to > > > optimise > > > > > their potential. > > > > > What Karmas, what truths or simply "what" makes the > difference > > is > > > the > > > > > question. > > > > > Memories are again not simple. Some have excellent recall of > > near > > > > > past events, while some of distant past. Some retain > > > trivialiaties > > > > > while others the substance. Why should I be able to , for > > > example, > > > > > recollect almost everything of a particular year and am blank > > > about > > > > > the last year? > > > > > rishi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 13, 2006 Report Share Posted November 13, 2006 Exactly! That was the point :-) Now, try the KBN principle using chara karakas in a few charts ... Since KBN is not a non-compensatory factor (one strike and game is over!), please do not be discouraged if the observed is not the same as the expected, in chi-squared speak! RR , "Chandrasekaran Margam" <crmargam wrote: > > It is my humble opinion, that Saturn though can be termed as more justified > in giving results than as a total malefic. Again the rule of karako bhav > nashaaya is not true as I have seen people having progeny despite having > Jupiter in 5th house. > > Chandra > > > On 11/11/06, Rohiniranjan <jyotish_vani wrote: > > > > Saturn the DIRE malefic par none (anyone dare challenge? Based on > > personal experiences with illustrations ??) -- the ayushkaraka when > > in the 8th in its domain despite karako bhav nashaaya adage has been > > claimed to be associated with a long life! > > > > Why? HOW?? > > > > The moments when we awaken and begin to ask questions may be > > meaningless for all others but ONLY when we awaken individually do we > > begin to LIVE! > > > > RR > > > > <% 40>, > > "Rohiniranjan" > > <jyotish_vani@> wrote: > > > > > > Absolutely Sir! > > > > > > The Collective Conscience, the Collective Memory, the realm that is > > > defined as death but really is beyond death and hence classically > > > also described as longevity and mangalya? > > > > > > Good sleuthing! > > > > > > RR > > > <% 40>, > > "rishi_2000in" > > > <rishi_2000in@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Would 8th house be involved in Memory? > > > > Obviously thereshould be different Jyotish aspectsfor short term > > > and > > > > longterm memory. > > > > rishi > > > > > > > > > > > > <% 40>, > > "Rohiniranjan" > > > > <jyotish_vani@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > All very good points Rishi. Like the moon, the memory is > > > wavering, > > > > > fluctuating! Perhaps other influences crystalize certain > > > > experiences > > > > > and they become more stable, long-term memories. There is > > > > biological > > > > > evidence for different types of memories and how they are > > stored > > > > and > > > > > retrieved. Many a times, the memory is there but just cannot be > > > > > retrieved readily, like that word that is right on the tip of > > the > > > > > tongue and suddenly we recall it moments later. > > > > > > > > > > I will reserve any comments on the situation where individuals > > > have > > > > > similar or identical charts (twins) with similar dashas and yet > > > one > > > > > goes north, the other south. It would be too speculative to > > > examine > > > > > that without examples. I have not looked into that and do not > > > > recall > > > > > anyone else that might have reported such a study. > > > > > > > > > > RR > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <% 40>, > > "rishi_2000in" > > > > > <rishi_2000in@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Intentions can initiate but then events become independent > > and > > > > mould > > > > > > their own future! > > > > > > The promises in a chart often need a trigger in terms of > > either > > > > > > dashas or transits. But then the same triggers apply to all > > > > similar > > > > > > charts and only one out of several individuals are able to > > > > optimise > > > > > > their potential. > > > > > > What Karmas, what truths or simply "what" makes the > > difference > > > is > > > > the > > > > > > question. > > > > > > Memories are again not simple. Some have excellent recall of > > > near > > > > > > past events, while some of distant past. Some retain > > > > trivialiaties > > > > > > while others the substance. Why should I be able to , for > > > > example, > > > > > > recollect almost everything of a particular year and am blank > > > > about > > > > > > the last year? > > > > > > rishi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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