Guest guest Posted November 22, 2006 Report Share Posted November 22, 2006 Namaste As I relate to your post, the universe is full of large and small negative energies. They effect us as individuals, and Mother Earth as a whole. I contribute to their growth by living a negative ego centered life, or, I contribute to their demise by BEING positive. While I cannot prove that this is true, I can see and feel this to some small degree when I enter a room either grumpy or happy and smiling. Certainly I watch Maa enter a room and the LIGHT becomes so full and brillant. Personally, I have faith in one thing: Maa and Swami, and others who are realized, will work tirelessly to help eliminate the negative impulses, by whatever name, from the 3 worlds. They will not stop until balance is restored. However long it takes. And I know, in my heart and bones, that I have signed on for the duration of the battle. In the past I have felt fear at the thought of being crushed by the negativity. But, through Their Grace, I rarely feel that anymore. I help in whatever way I can, trying a much as possible, to let Them into my heart, and to let them act. While "I" cannot surrender my ego, I KNOW They can take good care of it and that the battle will be won. Jai Maa Jai Swami love vishweshwar , "ty_maa" <dsjames wrote: > > > Dear All, > > This might evolve into a fruitful discussion and I am willing to take it > as far as you (collectively) wish. > > It is a "hot" subject for several reasons, and so it would be expedient > to take it in small clearly defined steps, and not attribute to another > a view, or even, a whole belief system, which that person has not > clearly owned. To do so would be to fall into unconscious identification > with very old collective thought patterns, and their very old > relationships and dynamics. Most of which are highly unfruitful. > > That said, I would like to add to the discussion the possibility that > there may be a significant difference between the quite impotent and > fleeting "thoughts" which continuously cloud one's consciousness as > compulsive "stream-of-consciousness", and with which every sadhaka must > contend, and the alleged existence of great collective thought-forms, > which would be samashties, or collectives, of enormous chunks of human > emotional, or vital energy (accumulated during the entire evolution of > human experience) of, for instance, fear, pain, killing rage, jealousy, > etc. > > In the case of the latter, they would not be like human beings, > possessing a soul, many layers of very mixed life experience, and all > that the psychologists east and west study, and hence be redeemable by > compassion love, a second chance, and proper training. Rather, they > would be mere slivers of consciousness associated with powerful > energetic "bodies" , living in some "space" invisible to us, but not far > away, and (very much like a virus-computer or biological-) driven by a > simple program; not someone you could talk to beyond its subject of > interest. > > In any case, that's more or less the theory of collective thought-forms, > sometimes refered to as demons, sometimes as asuras, sometimes as > archetypes. > > Perhaps not everyone believes in the existence of such entities, and > religious life certainly doesn't depend on such belief. Still, the > concept keeps turning up here and there, even in the modern world; for > instance, in Tolkens great trilogy (which though fictional, has worked > the subject from every angle of the human/thought-form relationship), > possibly they are an explaination of, for instance, Hitler's Germany > and, in any case, they certainly dominate the action scenes in our own > Chandi. > > One question which arises in the case of one who might accept (albeit > tentatively) the objective reality of such thought-forms or asuras: > > What would be the real relationship between my small bit of brief > individual aggresive reactivity, and the corresponding demon or asura > depicted in, for instance, the Chandi? > > Respectfully, > > Tanmaya > > > > > > > > > > > > > , "henny_v_i" <henny_v_i@> wrote: > > > > Namaste Vish and Tanmaya, > > > > thank you for this interesting discussion and I am also very > > interested in what Swamiji says about the matter. > > Just a thought: what Vish said, about laughing at undesirable thoughts > > or emotions as they present themselves and taking their appearance as > > a game, seems to me to be a valuable way to 'disarm' them. It made me > > think of a story about a brother wearing a bear mask, trying to > > frighten his little sister. This only worked as long as she did not > > recognize her beloved brother. As soon as she saw it was him and > > laughed, he took off the mask and hugged her. As we are told that > > there is nothing but the Guru, surely these thoughts and emotions that > > bother or scare us, are only masks. We can say 'look, you got me going > > there for a while, but now I see it is You, you can show me your real > > face and hug me.' Or we can run home and call our Mom, > > > > with love, > > Henny > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , "inspectionconnection108" > > inspectionconnection108@ wrote: > > > > > > Namaste Tanmaya > > > > > > I appreciate your comment about offering love to dark thoughts. I > > sat > > > and thought about it for some time, read some of the Kasyapa Sutras, > > > and analyzed my recent attempts to "stop, look, and listen" when a > > > thought or emotion or mood arises which takes we away from my goal. > > > > > > For example, there is a habit in me to become frustrated and > > > emotionally agitated very quickly when things "do not go right". I > > > loose control and create disharmony around me. Not life supporting. > > > > > > Now, as I have been "consciously watching" this thought arise and > > > begin to take hold of me, over the past several weeks, I realized it > > > was just an old habit, and the ego's attempt to control situations, > > > rather than to accept what happened and flow with it. In plain > > word, > > > trust the universe rather than fight it. > > > > > > In that context, I could view the thought as a hateful thing, to be > > > crushed and killed, or, the ego playing its game in order to keep > > > control and create disharmony. > > > > > > So, I made the attempt to view it, and accept it, as a game, and > > > laughted at it and its folly, and felt some slight love for it. > > > > > > This seemed to take some of the sting out of it and it subsided and > > > quietness dominated that much quicker. The love felt much better > > than > > > self loathing and disgust and the positive energy does not "add fuel > > > to the fire" of a negative emotion. > > > > > > Now, I cannot vouch for this being a teaching of Maa, but it came to > > > me in a quiet way, as a result of the "stop, look, and listen" > > > technique I have been using. So, I followed it and it felt right. > > > > > > > > > Now, I am working on inserting the proper mantra when the improper > > > mood arises, repeating the mantra most descriptive of the negative > > > emotion, then, using the mantra representing the positive emotion. > > The > > > goal: to insert the positive emotion in place of the negative one. > > > > > > This is the technique taught in the 4th Kashyapa Sutra > > > > > > I will ask Swami about giving a negative thought love. > > > > > > Jai Maa, Jai Swami > > > > > > love > > > > > > vishweshwar > > > > > > > > > , "ty_maa" <dsjames@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Vish, > > > > > > > > You might want to check that one with the Guru's first: to offer > > love to > > > > thoughts which one recognizes to be dark, contracted, and wholly > > > > negitive. I don't offer a contrary opinion--just that it would be > > good > > > > to check. I would love to hear the answer. > > > > > > > > Respectfully' > > > > > > > > Tanmaya > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , "inspectionconnection108" > > > > <inspectionconnection108@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Namaste > > > > > > > > > > That is a great goal- to offer love to those thoughts which veer > > us > > > > > from our goal. When Maa Chandi slays the Great Ego, She sends > > him to > > > > > Heaven not to a lower world. > > > > > > > > > > With this new technique from Sutra 4, we should be able to > > effectively > > > > > witness one unhealthy emotions change into life supporting ones. > > > > > > > > > > Thanks for reminding me of the Goal > > > > > > > > > > Jai Maa Jai Swami > > > > > > > > > > love > > > > > Vishweshwar > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , "kaliananda_saraswati" > > > > > kaliananda_saraswati@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Namaste, > > > > > > > > > > > > Kasyapa Sutra 4 says ........"It is our own attachment which > > makes > > > > > > for cloudy judgement. It is just our ignorant attachments > > which > > > > > > make for a lack of discrimination. The ego is very subtle and > > will > > > > > > try to trick us. But by constant vigilance we can gain > > control, > > > > > > self-mastery, and a greater degree of efficiency. Then we > > will > > > > > > attempt to satisfy only those desires which will produce the > > fruit > > > > > > of knowledge, not the fruit of ignorance." > > > > > > > > > > > > Join us in offering peace and love to those thoughts and > > attitudes > > > > > > that veer us from our goal. > > > > > > > > > > > > Jai Maa > > > > > > > > > > > > , "inspectionconnection108" > > > > > > <inspectionconnection108@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Namaste > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Today in our discussion group on the live chat, we discussed > > an > > > > > > > amazing technique for releasing ourselves from the bondage > > of > > > > > > > behaviors which take us away from our goal of self > > realization. > > > > > > > On page 39 of the Kasyapa Sutras, we discovered that > > specific > > > > > > mantras > > > > > > > can be used to control emotions and behaviors. There are > > mantras > > > > > > > which correspond to specific emotions, such as sorrow, lust, > > > > > > doubt, etc. > > > > > > > By repeating those mantras, you gain control of the specific > > > > > > emotion. > > > > > > > Then, you can recite the mantra of the attitude you wish to > > > > replace > > > > > > > the emotion with. For example, peace, dharma, forgiveness, > > > > > > abundance, > > > > > > > light, pleasure, etc. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > For example, repeat one mala of bham, confusion, then > > another mala > > > > > > of > > > > > > > sam, peace. In this way you can watch confusion transform > > into > > > > > > peace. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It is so simple, so practical, and so profound. Those of us > > in > > > > the > > > > > > > group today all took a sankalpa of watching our emotions, > > and when > > > > > > a > > > > > > > non-life supporting emotion rears its head, we will repeat > > the > > > > > > mantra > > > > > > > of it, then replace it with the positive attitude by > > repeating > > > > that > > > > > > > mantra. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I wish I could list all the mantras, but there are too many. > > I > > > > > > hope > > > > > > > you can all obtain a copy of the book: Shree Maa: the Guru > > and > > > > the > > > > > > > Goddess and try this technique. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Those of us practicing this technique, will share our > > discoveries > > > > > > on > > > > > > > line. Please join. The more of us practicing together, the > > > > > > stronger > > > > > > > the influence. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I thank Maa and Swami for giving us this gift, another pearl > > of > > > > > > wisdom > > > > > > > to add to string of pearls hanging around our necks. > > > > > > > Please make me worthy of this gift, and increase my devotion > > and > > > > > > bring > > > > > > > devotion to our entire Devi Mandir family, and thru our > > family, > > > > and > > > > > > > the families of our families, bring pure devotion and peace > > to > > > > this > > > > > > > entire Uni- Verse. > > > > > > > One undivided verse, the refrain of the song of God. The > > eternal > > > > > > love > > > > > > > song which pervades every note sung, and fills every heart > > with > > > > > > bliss, > > > > > > > Jai Maa. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jai Maa Jai Swami > > > > > > > > > > > > > > love > > > > > > > > > > > > > > vishweshwar > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 23, 2006 Report Share Posted November 23, 2006 Hi Vish, I agree with what you are saying. We have our part to play in the drama, however small it is. We do the best we can, always seeking to remain connected to our source of purity. I don't know exactly how it happens, but it is our efforts that enable the guru's grace to manifest, and on that day so much will change forever. Jai Maa! Chris , "inspectionconnection108" <inspectionconnection108 wrote: > > Namaste > > As I relate to your post, the universe is full of large and small > negative energies. They effect us as individuals, and Mother Earth as > a whole. > I contribute to their growth by living a negative ego centered life, > or, I contribute to their demise by BEING positive. > While I cannot prove that this is true, I can see and feel this to > some small degree when I enter a room either grumpy or happy and > smiling. Certainly I watch Maa enter a room and the LIGHT becomes so > full and brillant. > Personally, I have faith in one thing: Maa and Swami, and others who > are realized, will work tirelessly to help eliminate the negative > impulses, by whatever name, from the 3 worlds. They will not stop > until balance is restored. However long it takes. > And I know, in my heart and bones, that I have signed on for the > duration of the battle. > In the past I have felt fear at the thought of being crushed by the > negativity. But, through Their Grace, I rarely feel that anymore. I > help in whatever way I can, trying a much as possible, to let Them > into my heart, and to let them act. While "I" cannot surrender my > ego, I KNOW They can take good care of it and that the battle will be won. > > Jai Maa Jai Swami > > love > > vishweshwar > > , "ty_maa" <dsjames@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear All, > > > > This might evolve into a fruitful discussion and I am willing to take it > > as far as you (collectively) wish. > > > > It is a "hot" subject for several reasons, and so it would be expedient > > to take it in small clearly defined steps, and not attribute to another > > a view, or even, a whole belief system, which that person has not > > clearly owned. To do so would be to fall into unconscious identification > > with very old collective thought patterns, and their very old > > relationships and dynamics. Most of which are highly unfruitful. > > > > That said, I would like to add to the discussion the possibility that > > there may be a significant difference between the quite impotent and > > fleeting "thoughts" which continuously cloud one's consciousness as > > compulsive "stream-of-consciousness", and with which every sadhaka must > > contend, and the alleged existence of great collective thought-forms, > > which would be samashties, or collectives, of enormous chunks of human > > emotional, or vital energy (accumulated during the entire evolution of > > human experience) of, for instance, fear, pain, killing rage, jealousy, > > etc. > > > > In the case of the latter, they would not be like human beings, > > possessing a soul, many layers of very mixed life experience, and all > > that the psychologists east and west study, and hence be redeemable by > > compassion love, a second chance, and proper training. Rather, they > > would be mere slivers of consciousness associated with powerful > > energetic "bodies" , living in some "space" invisible to us, but not far > > away, and (very much like a virus-computer or biological-) driven by a > > simple program; not someone you could talk to beyond its subject of > > interest. > > > > In any case, that's more or less the theory of collective thought-forms, > > sometimes refered to as demons, sometimes as asuras, sometimes as > > archetypes. > > > > Perhaps not everyone believes in the existence of such entities, and > > religious life certainly doesn't depend on such belief. Still, the > > concept keeps turning up here and there, even in the modern world; for > > instance, in Tolkens great trilogy (which though fictional, has worked > > the subject from every angle of the human/thought-form relationship), > > possibly they are an explaination of, for instance, Hitler's Germany > > and, in any case, they certainly dominate the action scenes in our own > > Chandi. > > > > One question which arises in the case of one who might accept (albeit > > tentatively) the objective reality of such thought-forms or asuras: > > > > What would be the real relationship between my small bit of brief > > individual aggresive reactivity, and the corresponding demon or asura > > depicted in, for instance, the Chandi? > > > > Respectfully, > > > > Tanmaya > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , "henny_v_i" <henny_v_i@> wrote: > > > > > > Namaste Vish and Tanmaya, > > > > > > thank you for this interesting discussion and I am also very > > > interested in what Swamiji says about the matter. > > > Just a thought: what Vish said, about laughing at undesirable thoughts > > > or emotions as they present themselves and taking their appearance as > > > a game, seems to me to be a valuable way to 'disarm' them. It made me > > > think of a story about a brother wearing a bear mask, trying to > > > frighten his little sister. This only worked as long as she did not > > > recognize her beloved brother. As soon as she saw it was him and > > > laughed, he took off the mask and hugged her. As we are told that > > > there is nothing but the Guru, surely these thoughts and emotions that > > > bother or scare us, are only masks. We can say 'look, you got me going > > > there for a while, but now I see it is You, you can show me your real > > > face and hug me.' Or we can run home and call our Mom, > > > > > > with love, > > > Henny > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , "inspectionconnection108" > > > inspectionconnection108@ wrote: > > > > > > > > Namaste Tanmaya > > > > > > > > I appreciate your comment about offering love to dark thoughts. I > > > sat > > > > and thought about it for some time, read some of the Kasyapa Sutras, > > > > and analyzed my recent attempts to "stop, look, and listen" when a > > > > thought or emotion or mood arises which takes we away from my goal. > > > > > > > > For example, there is a habit in me to become frustrated and > > > > emotionally agitated very quickly when things "do not go right". I > > > > loose control and create disharmony around me. Not life supporting. > > > > > > > > Now, as I have been "consciously watching" this thought arise and > > > > begin to take hold of me, over the past several weeks, I realized it > > > > was just an old habit, and the ego's attempt to control situations, > > > > rather than to accept what happened and flow with it. In plain > > > word, > > > > trust the universe rather than fight it. > > > > > > > > In that context, I could view the thought as a hateful thing, to be > > > > crushed and killed, or, the ego playing its game in order to keep > > > > control and create disharmony. > > > > > > > > So, I made the attempt to view it, and accept it, as a game, and > > > > laughted at it and its folly, and felt some slight love for it. > > > > > > > > This seemed to take some of the sting out of it and it subsided and > > > > quietness dominated that much quicker. The love felt much better > > > than > > > > self loathing and disgust and the positive energy does not "add fuel > > > > to the fire" of a negative emotion. > > > > > > > > Now, I cannot vouch for this being a teaching of Maa, but it came to > > > > me in a quiet way, as a result of the "stop, look, and listen" > > > > technique I have been using. So, I followed it and it felt right. > > > > > > > > > > > > Now, I am working on inserting the proper mantra when the improper > > > > mood arises, repeating the mantra most descriptive of the negative > > > > emotion, then, using the mantra representing the positive emotion. > > > The > > > > goal: to insert the positive emotion in place of the negative one. > > > > > > > > This is the technique taught in the 4th Kashyapa Sutra > > > > > > > > I will ask Swami about giving a negative thought love. > > > > > > > > Jai Maa, Jai Swami > > > > > > > > love > > > > > > > > vishweshwar > > > > > > > > > > > > , "ty_maa" <dsjames@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Vish, > > > > > > > > > > You might want to check that one with the Guru's first: to offer > > > love to > > > > > thoughts which one recognizes to be dark, contracted, and wholly > > > > > negitive. I don't offer a contrary opinion--just that it would be > > > good > > > > > to check. I would love to hear the answer. > > > > > > > > > > Respectfully' > > > > > > > > > > Tanmaya > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , "inspectionconnection108" > > > > > <inspectionconnection108@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Namaste > > > > > > > > > > > > That is a great goal- to offer love to those thoughts which veer > > > us > > > > > > from our goal. When Maa Chandi slays the Great Ego, She sends > > > him to > > > > > > Heaven not to a lower world. > > > > > > > > > > > > With this new technique from Sutra 4, we should be able to > > > effectively > > > > > > witness one unhealthy emotions change into life supporting ones. > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks for reminding me of the Goal > > > > > > > > > > > > Jai Maa Jai Swami > > > > > > > > > > > > love > > > > > > Vishweshwar > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , "kaliananda_saraswati" > > > > > > kaliananda_saraswati@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Namaste, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Kasyapa Sutra 4 says ........"It is our own attachment which > > > makes > > > > > > > for cloudy judgement. It is just our ignorant attachments > > > which > > > > > > > make for a lack of discrimination. The ego is very subtle and > > > will > > > > > > > try to trick us. But by constant vigilance we can gain > > > control, > > > > > > > self-mastery, and a greater degree of efficiency. Then we > > > will > > > > > > > attempt to satisfy only those desires which will produce the > > > fruit > > > > > > > of knowledge, not the fruit of ignorance." > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Join us in offering peace and love to those thoughts and > > > attitudes > > > > > > > that veer us from our goal. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jai Maa > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , "inspectionconnection108" > > > > > > > <inspectionconnection108@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Namaste > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Today in our discussion group on the live chat, we discussed > > > an > > > > > > > > amazing technique for releasing ourselves from the bondage > > > of > > > > > > > > behaviors which take us away from our goal of self > > > realization. > > > > > > > > On page 39 of the Kasyapa Sutras, we discovered that > > > specific > > > > > > > mantras > > > > > > > > can be used to control emotions and behaviors. There are > > > mantras > > > > > > > > which correspond to specific emotions, such as sorrow, lust, > > > > > > > doubt, etc. > > > > > > > > By repeating those mantras, you gain control of the specific > > > > > > > emotion. > > > > > > > > Then, you can recite the mantra of the attitude you wish to > > > > > replace > > > > > > > > the emotion with. For example, peace, dharma, forgiveness, > > > > > > > abundance, > > > > > > > > light, pleasure, etc. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > For example, repeat one mala of bham, confusion, then > > > another mala > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > sam, peace. In this way you can watch confusion transform > > > into > > > > > > > peace. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It is so simple, so practical, and so profound. Those of us > > > in > > > > > the > > > > > > > > group today all took a sankalpa of watching our emotions, > > > and when > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > non-life supporting emotion rears its head, we will repeat > > > the > > > > > > > mantra > > > > > > > > of it, then replace it with the positive attitude by > > > repeating > > > > > that > > > > > > > > mantra. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I wish I could list all the mantras, but there are too many. > > > I > > > > > > > hope > > > > > > > > you can all obtain a copy of the book: Shree Maa: the Guru > > > and > > > > > the > > > > > > > > Goddess and try this technique. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Those of us practicing this technique, will share our > > > discoveries > > > > > > > on > > > > > > > > line. Please join. The more of us practicing together, the > > > > > > > stronger > > > > > > > > the influence. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I thank Maa and Swami for giving us this gift, another pearl > > > of > > > > > > > wisdom > > > > > > > > to add to string of pearls hanging around our necks. > > > > > > > > Please make me worthy of this gift, and increase my devotion > > > and > > > > > > > bring > > > > > > > > devotion to our entire Devi Mandir family, and thru our > > > family, > > > > > and > > > > > > > > the families of our families, bring pure devotion and peace > > > to > > > > > this > > > > > > > > entire Uni- Verse. > > > > > > > > One undivided verse, the refrain of the song of God. The > > > eternal > > > > > > > love > > > > > > > > song which pervades every note sung, and fills every heart > > > with > > > > > > > bliss, > > > > > > > > Jai Maa. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jai Maa Jai Swami > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > love > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > vishweshwar > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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