To Tanmaya- Chandipath

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The Chandi as macro or micro event. Wow Tanmaya. Interesting question.

For me personally I had always viewed it as both, operating to help

cleanse my inner world of my own private demons and also operating to

cleanse the environment...whatever God wills that influence to be. I

for one am a strong believer in that what is within also is without

and vice versa.

 

I must have missed part of this discussion because I never try to

"feed love" to those negative thoughts and would share some of your

concerns. As a trained counselor, I can see sending love to the

wounded part of the psyche, inner child for instance, that might be

the source of the fear, but not sending love to the fear. This gets

back to my original comment about not giving energy to the samscaras

by trying to resist, but instead I strive to turn my focus to things

that better represent that which I choose to express. Guess I jumped

in on a discussion mid-way and missed key points. I am intrigued now

by this idea of the Inner and Outer or Subjective and Objective

expression of the Chandipath. I had always just assumed both were aspects.

 

Interesting. Love the stimulating dialogue.

Jai Maa

 

, "ty_maa" <dsjames wrote:

>

>

> Dear Sadhumaa,

>

> Thank you; I always admire your sober and balanced views. You seem to

> be taking a sort of middleground between a subjective and objective

> understanding of obstructive forces which in spiritual practice we are

> attempting to purify.

>

> And that also helps to clarify for me the subject which I really want to

> ask about: not so much an examination of the troublesome negatives in

> our sadhana, but as to whether the use of Chandipath is generally

> understood by members as an objective, or macrocosmic activity, or

> one dealing with subjective sadhana and purification, ie. as a microsmic

> exercise.

>

> I believe that in the East, the majority of Chandi sadhakas are thinking

> in terms of objective Gods and

> asuras. And perhaps in the West, most are relating to the Chandi in

> terms of more personal or microcosmic psychology, purification, and

> spiritual advancement.

>

> I confess that when I read the posts advocating that one offer love to

> the negative "thoughts", alarm bells went off throughout my whole body,

> and a flashing red light spelled our "DANGER!", similar to what I would

> feel if a hypothetical twelve year old daughter were to announce to me

> one day that "I have been playing with a ouiji board and I just love the

> new friend that comes to me then".

>

> However, even though we are still awaiting Swamiji's comments, I an able

> to see that for one who is thinking entirely in terms of the subjective

> application of Chandipath, such a view is perfectly reasonable, and

> probably effective as well.

>

> Thank you again for your post.

>

> Respectfully,

>

> Tanmaya

>

>

>

>

>

> , "Sadhu Maa" <sadumaa@> wrote:

> >

> > Tanmaya,

> > I think the relationship is that our small agressive or depressive

> > thoughts feed it. It is a collective energy force that has it's own

> > kind of synergy and influence. We might feel this for instance when

> > walking into a house where there has been a lot of grief or violence.

> > Many cultures have methods for cleansing such thought forms but their

> > reality, while unseen by most, can be felt by many....effecting moods,

> > and patience, and such. We get pulled by them but also can contribute

> > to them by indulging in our own little outbursts or ruminations.

> > Jai Maa

> > Sadhu Maa

> >

> > , "ty_maa" dsjames@ wrote:

> > >

> > >

> > > Dear All,

> > >

> > > This might evolve into a fruitful discussion and I am willing to

> take it

> > > as far as you (collectively) wish.

> > >

> > > It is a "hot" subject for several reasons, and so it would be

> expedient

> > > to take it in small clearly defined steps, and not attribute to

> another

> > > a view, or even, a whole belief system, which that person has not

> > > clearly owned. To do so would be to fall into unconscious

> identification

> > > with very old collective thought patterns, and their very old

> > > relationships and dynamics. Most of which are highly unfruitful.

> > >

> > > That said, I would like to add to the discussion the possibility

> that

> > > there may be a significant difference between the quite impotent and

> > > fleeting "thoughts" which continuously cloud one's consciousness as

> > > compulsive "stream-of-consciousness", and with which every sadhaka

> must

> > > contend, and the alleged existence of great collective

> thought-forms,

> > > which would be samashties, or collectives, of enormous chunks of

> human

> > > emotional, or vital energy (accumulated during the entire evolution

> of

> > > human experience) of, for instance, fear, pain, killing rage,

> jealousy,

> > > etc.

> > >

> > > In the case of the latter, they would not be like human beings,

> > > possessing a soul, many layers of very mixed life experience, and

> all

> > > that the psychologists east and west study, and hence be redeemable

> by

> > > compassion love, a second chance, and proper training. Rather, they

> > > would be mere slivers of consciousness associated with powerful

> > > energetic "bodies" , living in some "space" invisible to us, but not

> far

> > > away, and (very much like a virus-computer or biological-) driven by

> a

> > > simple program; not someone you could talk to beyond its subject of

> > > interest.

> > >

> > > In any case, that's more or less the theory of collective

> thought-forms,

> > > sometimes refered to as demons, sometimes as asuras, sometimes as

> > > archetypes.

> > >

> > > Perhaps not everyone believes in the existence of such entities, and

> > > religious life certainly doesn't depend on such belief. Still, the

> > > concept keeps turning up here and there, even in the modern world;

> for

> > > instance, in Tolkens great trilogy (which though fictional, has

> worked

> > > the subject from every angle of the human/thought-form

> relationship),

> > > possibly they are an explaination of, for instance, Hitler's Germany

> > > and, in any case, they certainly dominate the action scenes in our

> own

> > > Chandi.

> > >

> > > One question which arises in the case of one who might accept

> (albeit

> > > tentatively) the objective reality of such thought-forms or asuras:

> > >

> > > What would be the real relationship between my small bit of brief

> > > individual aggresive reactivity, and the corresponding demon or

> asura

> > > depicted in, for instance, the Chandi?

> > >

> > > Respectfully,

> > >

> > > Tanmaya

> > >

> > >

> >

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