Official Ramakanta vs. IRM discussion thread

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Posted by Yaduraja on Nov 24, 2006:

 

Dear Ramakanta Prabhu,

PAMHO. AGTSP!

you wrote:

 

> I just did that by a reductio ad absurdum. I assumed that your hypothesis

> is true and then showed that it leads to contradictions and questions that

> you cannot answer.

 

Ha! You are funny.

 

Why did you post this challenge:

 

> Why does Srila Prabhupada have to come back to this material universe, if

> he remains within this material universe in the form of books etc. that

> are sufficient to guide all ISKCON members?

(Nov 22, 2006 - 06:13 AM Ramakanta das)

 

When it contradicts your own evidence which you were using to try to defeat

our position:

 

> "You have asked if it is true that the Spiritual Master remains in the

> material universe until all of His disciples are transferred to the

> Spiritual Sky. The answer is yes, this is the rule.”

(Letter to Jayapataka, 11 Jul, 1969)

 

We had already both agreed with Srila Prabhupada that ‘the Spiritual Master

remains in the material universe until all of His disciples are transferred

to the Spiritual Sky’. So why on earth do you then challenge a position we

both agreed with? Do you no longer agree with Srila Prabhupada and the IRM?

Please make this clear.

 

You wrote:

 

> Of course I understand that Srila Prabhupada can be in the same universe

> but not on the same planet as the disciple, and that he can be on the same

> planet but not in the same town, and that he can be in the same town but

> not in the same room.

 

In all the instances you say you can ‘understand’, Srila Prabhupada would

not be physically present for the disciple, and not one of those scenarios

would adversely effect point c) since ‘physical presence is immaterial’.

 

You confuse the fact that the physical guru can be physically present

somewhere, but not necessarily in relation to the disciple, which is the

very thing all the quotes state is not important.

 

In the meantime point c) remains unchallenged by you, not to speak of

disproven.

 

Best wishes

Ys

Yadu

 

P.S. Another point I suspect you may be confused about. I have never said,

nor is it the IRMs' position, that all we need is Srila Prabhupada's books,

temples etc, and that Srila Prabhupada himself need no longer exist as a

spiritual master. Without the mercy of Srila Prabhupada, our spiritual

master, his books etc alone will certainly not be enough. He therefore

remains an acting spiritual master- (not a cowherd boy or such like in the

spiritual word) -giving his mercy by destroying our sinful reactions and

transmitting divya jnana, right up until he has finished delivering his

disciples.