Guest guest Posted November 24, 2006 Report Share Posted November 24, 2006 Vish, I love that story, in fact all those stories of their beginnings here in this country. It was such a marvelous spiritual adventure, and such a blessing for all of those who were fortunate enough to meet them then. Jai Maa! Chris , "inspectionconnection108" <inspectionconnection108 wrote: > > Namaste > > In the book: Shree Maa, The Life of a Saint", there is a narrative by > a devotee who meet Maa and Swami many years ago. I will paraphrase > the story freely. > The man's mother had been killed in her home. There was such a bad > feeling in the home that whenever this man, her son, went into the > home, he felt ill and had a headache. He could not stay in the home. > So, he heard about Maa and Swami. He called Swami and asked Him if > He used to live in cremation grounds,and Swami said yes, why do you > ask? My mother died in her home and there is a very bad feeling > there. Can you help. Swami said yes. The man said you can stay in > the home as long as you like, just please cleanse the home. Maa and > Swami moved into the home and started cleaning it up. The man came > over and asked what they needed. Swami said a shovel and some string > and straw. Though puzzled, he brought the items and left them. > Maa and Swami dug up some clay, and using the straw and string, made > the frame and covered it with clay. When it dried, they painted it > and soon they had a murti, divine statue, of the Goddess Kali. They > dressed Her. established life in Her through the ancient ways, and > started to worship Her. They built a sacred fire and worshiped there. > The man came back to the home and found Maa and Swami and the devotes > joyously chanting mantras at the sacred fire. They invited him to > join them. After some time of worship, he realized he had been in the > home for sometime and had no headache, and was joyful. > > As it states in the Guru Gita, have full faith and love the Guru with > all your heart. Lay you troubles at the feet of the Guru. The Guru is > everything, the Guru is everything. There is nothing higher than the > Guru. > > Jai Maa Jai Swami > love > vishweshwar > , "Chris Kirner" > <chriskirner1956@> wrote: > > > > This is a really good response, Sadhu Maa, very clear and practical. > > > > Jai Maa! > > Chris > > > > > > , "Sadhu Maa" <sadumaa@> wrote: > > > > > > Tanmaya, > > > I think the relationship is that our small agressive or depressive > > > thoughts feed it. It is a collective energy force that has it's own > > > kind of synergy and influence. We might feel this for instance when > > > walking into a house where there has been a lot of grief or violence. > > > Many cultures have methods for cleansing such thought forms but their > > > reality, while unseen by most, can be felt by many....effecting moods, > > > and patience, and such. We get pulled by them but also can contribute > > > to them by indulging in our own little outbursts or ruminations. > > > Jai Maa > > > Sadhu Maa > > > > > > , "ty_maa" <dsjames@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear All, > > > > > > > > This might evolve into a fruitful discussion and I am willing to > > take it > > > > as far as you (collectively) wish. > > > > > > > > It is a "hot" subject for several reasons, and so it would be > > expedient > > > > to take it in small clearly defined steps, and not attribute to > > another > > > > a view, or even, a whole belief system, which that person has not > > > > clearly owned. To do so would be to fall into unconscious > > identification > > > > with very old collective thought patterns, and their very old > > > > relationships and dynamics. Most of which are highly unfruitful. > > > > > > > > That said, I would like to add to the discussion the possibility > that > > > > there may be a significant difference between the quite impotent and > > > > fleeting "thoughts" which continuously cloud one's consciousness as > > > > compulsive "stream-of-consciousness", and with which every sadhaka > > must > > > > contend, and the alleged existence of great collective > thought-forms, > > > > which would be samashties, or collectives, of enormous chunks of > human > > > > emotional, or vital energy (accumulated during the entire > evolution of > > > > human experience) of, for instance, fear, pain, killing rage, > > jealousy, > > > > etc. > > > > > > > > In the case of the latter, they would not be like human beings, > > > > possessing a soul, many layers of very mixed life experience, > and all > > > > that the psychologists east and west study, and hence be > redeemable by > > > > compassion love, a second chance, and proper training. Rather, they > > > > would be mere slivers of consciousness associated with powerful > > > > energetic "bodies" , living in some "space" invisible to us, but > > not far > > > > away, and (very much like a virus-computer or biological-) > driven by a > > > > simple program; not someone you could talk to beyond its subject of > > > > interest. > > > > > > > > In any case, that's more or less the theory of collective > > thought-forms, > > > > sometimes refered to as demons, sometimes as asuras, sometimes as > > > > archetypes. > > > > > > > > Perhaps not everyone believes in the existence of such entities, and > > > > religious life certainly doesn't depend on such belief. Still, the > > > > concept keeps turning up here and there, even in the modern > world; for > > > > instance, in Tolkens great trilogy (which though fictional, has > worked > > > > the subject from every angle of the human/thought-form > relationship), > > > > possibly they are an explaination of, for instance, Hitler's Germany > > > > and, in any case, they certainly dominate the action scenes in > our own > > > > Chandi. > > > > > > > > One question which arises in the case of one who might accept > (albeit > > > > tentatively) the objective reality of such thought-forms or asuras: > > > > > > > > What would be the real relationship between my small bit of brief > > > > individual aggresive reactivity, and the corresponding demon or > asura > > > > depicted in, for instance, the Chandi? > > > > > > > > Respectfully, > > > > > > > > Tanmaya > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 25, 2006 Report Share Posted November 25, 2006 Chris The adventure is as new and exciting now, as I imagine it was 20 years ago. Not a day goes by that I do not pinch myself and say how blessed I am. Jai Maa Jai Swami vish -- In , "Chris Kirner" <chriskirner1956 wrote: > > Vish, > > I love that story, in fact all those stories of their beginnings here > in this country. It was such a marvelous spiritual adventure, and such > a blessing for all of those who were fortunate enough to meet them then. > > Jai Maa! > Chris > > > > , "inspectionconnection108" > <inspectionconnection108@> wrote: > > > > Namaste > > > > In the book: Shree Maa, The Life of a Saint", there is a narrative by > > a devotee who meet Maa and Swami many years ago. I will paraphrase > > the story freely. > > The man's mother had been killed in her home. There was such a bad > > feeling in the home that whenever this man, her son, went into the > > home, he felt ill and had a headache. He could not stay in the home. > > So, he heard about Maa and Swami. He called Swami and asked Him if > > He used to live in cremation grounds,and Swami said yes, why do you > > ask? My mother died in her home and there is a very bad feeling > > there. Can you help. Swami said yes. The man said you can stay in > > the home as long as you like, just please cleanse the home. Maa and > > Swami moved into the home and started cleaning it up. The man came > > over and asked what they needed. Swami said a shovel and some string > > and straw. Though puzzled, he brought the items and left them. > > Maa and Swami dug up some clay, and using the straw and string, made > > the frame and covered it with clay. When it dried, they painted it > > and soon they had a murti, divine statue, of the Goddess Kali. They > > dressed Her. established life in Her through the ancient ways, and > > started to worship Her. They built a sacred fire and worshiped there. > > The man came back to the home and found Maa and Swami and the devotes > > joyously chanting mantras at the sacred fire. They invited him to > > join them. After some time of worship, he realized he had been in the > > home for sometime and had no headache, and was joyful. > > > > As it states in the Guru Gita, have full faith and love the Guru with > > all your heart. Lay you troubles at the feet of the Guru. The Guru is > > everything, the Guru is everything. There is nothing higher than the > > Guru. > > > > Jai Maa Jai Swami > > love > > vishweshwar > > , "Chris Kirner" > > <chriskirner1956@> wrote: > > > > > > This is a really good response, Sadhu Maa, very clear and practical. > > > > > > Jai Maa! > > > Chris > > > > > > > > > , "Sadhu Maa" <sadumaa@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Tanmaya, > > > > I think the relationship is that our small agressive or depressive > > > > thoughts feed it. It is a collective energy force that has it's own > > > > kind of synergy and influence. We might feel this for instance when > > > > walking into a house where there has been a lot of grief or > violence. > > > > Many cultures have methods for cleansing such thought forms but > their > > > > reality, while unseen by most, can be felt by many....effecting > moods, > > > > and patience, and such. We get pulled by them but also can > contribute > > > > to them by indulging in our own little outbursts or ruminations. > > > > Jai Maa > > > > Sadhu Maa > > > > > > > > , "ty_maa" <dsjames@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear All, > > > > > > > > > > This might evolve into a fruitful discussion and I am willing to > > > take it > > > > > as far as you (collectively) wish. > > > > > > > > > > It is a "hot" subject for several reasons, and so it would be > > > expedient > > > > > to take it in small clearly defined steps, and not attribute to > > > another > > > > > a view, or even, a whole belief system, which that person has not > > > > > clearly owned. To do so would be to fall into unconscious > > > identification > > > > > with very old collective thought patterns, and their very old > > > > > relationships and dynamics. Most of which are highly unfruitful. > > > > > > > > > > That said, I would like to add to the discussion the possibility > > that > > > > > there may be a significant difference between the quite > impotent and > > > > > fleeting "thoughts" which continuously cloud one's > consciousness as > > > > > compulsive "stream-of-consciousness", and with which every sadhaka > > > must > > > > > contend, and the alleged existence of great collective > > thought-forms, > > > > > which would be samashties, or collectives, of enormous chunks of > > human > > > > > emotional, or vital energy (accumulated during the entire > > evolution of > > > > > human experience) of, for instance, fear, pain, killing rage, > > > jealousy, > > > > > etc. > > > > > > > > > > In the case of the latter, they would not be like human beings, > > > > > possessing a soul, many layers of very mixed life experience, > > and all > > > > > that the psychologists east and west study, and hence be > > redeemable by > > > > > compassion love, a second chance, and proper training. Rather, > they > > > > > would be mere slivers of consciousness associated with powerful > > > > > energetic "bodies" , living in some "space" invisible to us, but > > > not far > > > > > away, and (very much like a virus-computer or biological-) > > driven by a > > > > > simple program; not someone you could talk to beyond its > subject of > > > > > interest. > > > > > > > > > > In any case, that's more or less the theory of collective > > > thought-forms, > > > > > sometimes refered to as demons, sometimes as asuras, sometimes as > > > > > archetypes. > > > > > > > > > > Perhaps not everyone believes in the existence of such > entities, and > > > > > religious life certainly doesn't depend on such belief. Still, the > > > > > concept keeps turning up here and there, even in the modern > > world; for > > > > > instance, in Tolkens great trilogy (which though fictional, has > > worked > > > > > the subject from every angle of the human/thought-form > > relationship), > > > > > possibly they are an explaination of, for instance, Hitler's > Germany > > > > > and, in any case, they certainly dominate the action scenes in > > our own > > > > > Chandi. > > > > > > > > > > One question which arises in the case of one who might accept > > (albeit > > > > > tentatively) the objective reality of such thought-forms or > asuras: > > > > > > > > > > What would be the real relationship between my small bit of brief > > > > > individual aggresive reactivity, and the corresponding demon or > > asura > > > > > depicted in, for instance, the Chandi? > > > > > > > > > > Respectfully, > > > > > > > > > > Tanmaya > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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