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Vish,

 

I love that story, in fact all those stories of their beginnings here

in this country. It was such a marvelous spiritual adventure, and such

a blessing for all of those who were fortunate enough to meet them then.

 

Jai Maa!

Chris

 

 

 

, "inspectionconnection108"

<inspectionconnection108 wrote:

>

> Namaste

>

> In the book: Shree Maa, The Life of a Saint", there is a narrative by

> a devotee who meet Maa and Swami many years ago. I will paraphrase

> the story freely.

> The man's mother had been killed in her home. There was such a bad

> feeling in the home that whenever this man, her son, went into the

> home, he felt ill and had a headache. He could not stay in the home.

> So, he heard about Maa and Swami. He called Swami and asked Him if

> He used to live in cremation grounds,and Swami said yes, why do you

> ask? My mother died in her home and there is a very bad feeling

> there. Can you help. Swami said yes. The man said you can stay in

> the home as long as you like, just please cleanse the home. Maa and

> Swami moved into the home and started cleaning it up. The man came

> over and asked what they needed. Swami said a shovel and some string

> and straw. Though puzzled, he brought the items and left them.

> Maa and Swami dug up some clay, and using the straw and string, made

> the frame and covered it with clay. When it dried, they painted it

> and soon they had a murti, divine statue, of the Goddess Kali. They

> dressed Her. established life in Her through the ancient ways, and

> started to worship Her. They built a sacred fire and worshiped there.

> The man came back to the home and found Maa and Swami and the devotes

> joyously chanting mantras at the sacred fire. They invited him to

> join them. After some time of worship, he realized he had been in the

> home for sometime and had no headache, and was joyful.

>

> As it states in the Guru Gita, have full faith and love the Guru with

> all your heart. Lay you troubles at the feet of the Guru. The Guru is

> everything, the Guru is everything. There is nothing higher than the

> Guru.

>

> Jai Maa Jai Swami

> love

> vishweshwar

> , "Chris Kirner"

> <chriskirner1956@> wrote:

> >

> > This is a really good response, Sadhu Maa, very clear and practical.

> >

> > Jai Maa!

> > Chris

> >

> >

> > , "Sadhu Maa" <sadumaa@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Tanmaya,

> > > I think the relationship is that our small agressive or depressive

> > > thoughts feed it. It is a collective energy force that has it's own

> > > kind of synergy and influence. We might feel this for instance when

> > > walking into a house where there has been a lot of grief or

violence.

> > > Many cultures have methods for cleansing such thought forms but

their

> > > reality, while unseen by most, can be felt by many....effecting

moods,

> > > and patience, and such. We get pulled by them but also can

contribute

> > > to them by indulging in our own little outbursts or ruminations.

> > > Jai Maa

> > > Sadhu Maa

> > >

> > > , "ty_maa" <dsjames@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Dear All,

> > > >

> > > > This might evolve into a fruitful discussion and I am willing to

> > take it

> > > > as far as you (collectively) wish.

> > > >

> > > > It is a "hot" subject for several reasons, and so it would be

> > expedient

> > > > to take it in small clearly defined steps, and not attribute to

> > another

> > > > a view, or even, a whole belief system, which that person has not

> > > > clearly owned. To do so would be to fall into unconscious

> > identification

> > > > with very old collective thought patterns, and their very old

> > > > relationships and dynamics. Most of which are highly unfruitful.

> > > >

> > > > That said, I would like to add to the discussion the possibility

> that

> > > > there may be a significant difference between the quite

impotent and

> > > > fleeting "thoughts" which continuously cloud one's

consciousness as

> > > > compulsive "stream-of-consciousness", and with which every sadhaka

> > must

> > > > contend, and the alleged existence of great collective

> thought-forms,

> > > > which would be samashties, or collectives, of enormous chunks of

> human

> > > > emotional, or vital energy (accumulated during the entire

> evolution of

> > > > human experience) of, for instance, fear, pain, killing rage,

> > jealousy,

> > > > etc.

> > > >

> > > > In the case of the latter, they would not be like human beings,

> > > > possessing a soul, many layers of very mixed life experience,

> and all

> > > > that the psychologists east and west study, and hence be

> redeemable by

> > > > compassion love, a second chance, and proper training. Rather,

they

> > > > would be mere slivers of consciousness associated with powerful

> > > > energetic "bodies" , living in some "space" invisible to us, but

> > not far

> > > > away, and (very much like a virus-computer or biological-)

> driven by a

> > > > simple program; not someone you could talk to beyond its

subject of

> > > > interest.

> > > >

> > > > In any case, that's more or less the theory of collective

> > thought-forms,

> > > > sometimes refered to as demons, sometimes as asuras, sometimes as

> > > > archetypes.

> > > >

> > > > Perhaps not everyone believes in the existence of such

entities, and

> > > > religious life certainly doesn't depend on such belief. Still, the

> > > > concept keeps turning up here and there, even in the modern

> world; for

> > > > instance, in Tolkens great trilogy (which though fictional, has

> worked

> > > > the subject from every angle of the human/thought-form

> relationship),

> > > > possibly they are an explaination of, for instance, Hitler's

Germany

> > > > and, in any case, they certainly dominate the action scenes in

> our own

> > > > Chandi.

> > > >

> > > > One question which arises in the case of one who might accept

> (albeit

> > > > tentatively) the objective reality of such thought-forms or

asuras:

> > > >

> > > > What would be the real relationship between my small bit of brief

> > > > individual aggresive reactivity, and the corresponding demon or

> asura

> > > > depicted in, for instance, the Chandi?

> > > >

> > > > Respectfully,

> > > >

> > > > Tanmaya

> > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

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Chris

 

The adventure is as new and exciting now, as I imagine it was 20 years

ago. Not a day goes by that I do not pinch myself and say how blessed

I am.

 

Jai Maa Jai Swami

 

vish

 

 

 

 

-- In , "Chris Kirner"

<chriskirner1956 wrote:

>

> Vish,

>

> I love that story, in fact all those stories of their beginnings here

> in this country. It was such a marvelous spiritual adventure, and such

> a blessing for all of those who were fortunate enough to meet them then.

>

> Jai Maa!

> Chris

>

>

>

> , "inspectionconnection108"

> <inspectionconnection108@> wrote:

> >

> > Namaste

> >

> > In the book: Shree Maa, The Life of a Saint", there is a narrative by

> > a devotee who meet Maa and Swami many years ago. I will paraphrase

> > the story freely.

> > The man's mother had been killed in her home. There was such a bad

> > feeling in the home that whenever this man, her son, went into the

> > home, he felt ill and had a headache. He could not stay in the home.

> > So, he heard about Maa and Swami. He called Swami and asked Him if

> > He used to live in cremation grounds,and Swami said yes, why do you

> > ask? My mother died in her home and there is a very bad feeling

> > there. Can you help. Swami said yes. The man said you can stay in

> > the home as long as you like, just please cleanse the home. Maa and

> > Swami moved into the home and started cleaning it up. The man came

> > over and asked what they needed. Swami said a shovel and some string

> > and straw. Though puzzled, he brought the items and left them.

> > Maa and Swami dug up some clay, and using the straw and string, made

> > the frame and covered it with clay. When it dried, they painted it

> > and soon they had a murti, divine statue, of the Goddess Kali. They

> > dressed Her. established life in Her through the ancient ways, and

> > started to worship Her. They built a sacred fire and worshiped there.

> > The man came back to the home and found Maa and Swami and the devotes

> > joyously chanting mantras at the sacred fire. They invited him to

> > join them. After some time of worship, he realized he had been in the

> > home for sometime and had no headache, and was joyful.

> >

> > As it states in the Guru Gita, have full faith and love the Guru with

> > all your heart. Lay you troubles at the feet of the Guru. The Guru is

> > everything, the Guru is everything. There is nothing higher than the

> > Guru.

> >

> > Jai Maa Jai Swami

> > love

> > vishweshwar

> > , "Chris Kirner"

> > <chriskirner1956@> wrote:

> > >

> > > This is a really good response, Sadhu Maa, very clear and

practical.

> > >

> > > Jai Maa!

> > > Chris

> > >

> > >

> > > , "Sadhu Maa" <sadumaa@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Tanmaya,

> > > > I think the relationship is that our small agressive or depressive

> > > > thoughts feed it. It is a collective energy force that has

it's own

> > > > kind of synergy and influence. We might feel this for instance

when

> > > > walking into a house where there has been a lot of grief or

> violence.

> > > > Many cultures have methods for cleansing such thought forms but

> their

> > > > reality, while unseen by most, can be felt by many....effecting

> moods,

> > > > and patience, and such. We get pulled by them but also can

> contribute

> > > > to them by indulging in our own little outbursts or ruminations.

> > > > Jai Maa

> > > > Sadhu Maa

> > > >

> > > > , "ty_maa" <dsjames@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear All,

> > > > >

> > > > > This might evolve into a fruitful discussion and I am willing to

> > > take it

> > > > > as far as you (collectively) wish.

> > > > >

> > > > > It is a "hot" subject for several reasons, and so it would be

> > > expedient

> > > > > to take it in small clearly defined steps, and not attribute to

> > > another

> > > > > a view, or even, a whole belief system, which that person

has not

> > > > > clearly owned. To do so would be to fall into unconscious

> > > identification

> > > > > with very old collective thought patterns, and their very old

> > > > > relationships and dynamics. Most of which are highly unfruitful.

> > > > >

> > > > > That said, I would like to add to the discussion the possibility

> > that

> > > > > there may be a significant difference between the quite

> impotent and

> > > > > fleeting "thoughts" which continuously cloud one's

> consciousness as

> > > > > compulsive "stream-of-consciousness", and with which every

sadhaka

> > > must

> > > > > contend, and the alleged existence of great collective

> > thought-forms,

> > > > > which would be samashties, or collectives, of enormous chunks of

> > human

> > > > > emotional, or vital energy (accumulated during the entire

> > evolution of

> > > > > human experience) of, for instance, fear, pain, killing rage,

> > > jealousy,

> > > > > etc.

> > > > >

> > > > > In the case of the latter, they would not be like human beings,

> > > > > possessing a soul, many layers of very mixed life experience,

> > and all

> > > > > that the psychologists east and west study, and hence be

> > redeemable by

> > > > > compassion love, a second chance, and proper training. Rather,

> they

> > > > > would be mere slivers of consciousness associated with powerful

> > > > > energetic "bodies" , living in some "space" invisible to us, but

> > > not far

> > > > > away, and (very much like a virus-computer or biological-)

> > driven by a

> > > > > simple program; not someone you could talk to beyond its

> subject of

> > > > > interest.

> > > > >

> > > > > In any case, that's more or less the theory of collective

> > > thought-forms,

> > > > > sometimes refered to as demons, sometimes as asuras,

sometimes as

> > > > > archetypes.

> > > > >

> > > > > Perhaps not everyone believes in the existence of such

> entities, and

> > > > > religious life certainly doesn't depend on such belief.

Still, the

> > > > > concept keeps turning up here and there, even in the modern

> > world; for

> > > > > instance, in Tolkens great trilogy (which though fictional, has

> > worked

> > > > > the subject from every angle of the human/thought-form

> > relationship),

> > > > > possibly they are an explaination of, for instance, Hitler's

> Germany

> > > > > and, in any case, they certainly dominate the action scenes in

> > our own

> > > > > Chandi.

> > > > >

> > > > > One question which arises in the case of one who might accept

> > (albeit

> > > > > tentatively) the objective reality of such thought-forms or

> asuras:

> > > > >

> > > > > What would be the real relationship between my small bit of

brief

> > > > > individual aggresive reactivity, and the corresponding demon or

> > asura

> > > > > depicted in, for instance, the Chandi?

> > > > >

> > > > > Respectfully,

> > > > >

> > > > > Tanmaya

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

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