Guest guest Posted November 25, 2006 Report Share Posted November 25, 2006 Dear Shri Chandrasekhar ji and learned members, Phaladeepika Chapter 20 Sloka 24 outlines that the following dasas will bring misery and trouble:- 1. Dasa of Saturn if it is the 4th in the order of main dasa. 2. Dasa of Jupiter if it is the 6th. 3. Dasa of Mars and Rahu if they are 5th. 4. The dasa of a planet which is placed in the last degree of a sign. 5. The dasas of the lords of the 6th, 8th and 12th houses. In delineating charts I have not observed astrologers taking the first three items into consideration. May I have your comments on the above please. Thank you. David Everyone is raving about the all-new Mail beta. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 25, 2006 Report Share Posted November 25, 2006 Dear Shri Davidji, This is actually been forgotten/kept behind, in the list of so many other factors zooming up in the astrologers mind while studying a chart, though this is a important factor. In my own case I will vouch for one statement from the above. Mars in Leo. and Lagna is leo. So Mars is in kendra and becomes a Yogkaraka of a high order, yet I faced great misery and trouble in Mars MahaDasha (Still on and about to end) as it was 5th in the order of the Dashas through birth. (Ketu MD at birth). The astrologers one sees are normally all in a hurry,and the good astrologers are too busy, a few of them may know the above rules but may have under emphasized it,in other cases, no one does so much hard work frankly speaking as to remember what Dasha is going on as per the laid down rules and what number it is from the birth one, etc. Gone are the days of Kings,Palaces,and Havelis and Chaudharis. That era everyone had ample time to discuss, together with other colleagues,spend time-few days studying a single chart. Today the mantra is how many charts in a day ? Today speed matters for all (Though this may not be right). How to check a chart fast, enumerate the readings fast, and get money as Fees fast, and then move on to next client again fast. Davidji you have brought a important issue on the fore, which tool should also be used in prognostication. At same times other members can read from their own charts and let the balance members know how much does the above statements hold water in their cases. To re-confirm,reaffirm and reinforce certain principles, a platform like a Forum, is the best place to utilise or make use of. But unless the other members share with their own experiences, this is not possible. Trying to look good is not going to help. Active participation can help ones own self and others too. Hope they will get the lead. Best wishes, Bhaskar. , David Andrews <dprapus wrote: > > Dear Shri Chandrasekhar ji and learned members, > Phaladeepika Chapter 20 Sloka 24 outlines that the following dasas will bring misery and trouble:- > 1. Dasa of Saturn if it is the 4th in the order of main dasa. > 2. Dasa of Jupiter if it is the 6th. > 3. Dasa of Mars and Rahu if they are 5th. > 4. The dasa of a planet which is placed in the last degree of a sign. > 5. The dasas of the lords of the 6th, 8th and 12th houses. > > In delineating charts I have not observed astrologers taking the first three items into consideration. May I have your comments on the above please. > Thank you. > > David > > > > Everyone is raving about the all-new Mail beta. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 25, 2006 Report Share Posted November 25, 2006 Namaste Sri David My comments only pertain to the last point: The dasha of the lord of 6th, 8th and 12th cannot be seen in isolation. The same lord may own a trikona and may be placed well. Like for Mithuna lagna, Venus will be the 12th lord but it is the 5th lord too. Similarly, if these are under vipreeta raja yoga, then the results will change. Furthermore, it is important to see the placement of the anterdasha lord vis-a-vis the mahadasha lord. Like in my own case, the period of Venus-Mercury for Mithuna Lagna - was one of the worst period of my life so far. Venus is in 9th house and Mercury is in the 8th and is Vargottama but is in the 12th house from mahadasha lord. To you and Sri Bhaskar I confess I have not used the first 4 points but shall try and incorporate them. I usually incorporate analysis when I find some logic and sound reason behind it. I would love to know if someone can comment upon the significance of the order of the dasha. Thanks and Regards Bharat On 11/25/06, David Andrews <dprapus > wrote: > > Dear Shri Chandrasekhar ji and learned members, > Phaladeepika Chapter 20 Sloka 24 outlines that the following dasas will > bring misery and trouble:- > 1. Dasa of Saturn if it is the 4th in the order of main dasa. > 2. Dasa of Jupiter if it is the 6th. > 3. Dasa of Mars and Rahu if they are 5th. > 4. The dasa of a planet which is placed in the last degree of a sign. > 5. The dasas of the lords of the 6th, 8th and 12th houses. > > In delineating charts I have not observed astrologers taking the first > three items into consideration. May I have your comments on the above > please. > Thank you. > > David > > > Everyone is raving about the all-new Mail beta. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 25, 2006 Report Share Posted November 25, 2006 Dear Bharat Bhai, Your comment would and should pertain to all the points. I missed to mention this though its understood. These rules can of course not be taken in isolation, just as other rules cannot be. We cannot find logic and understanding in many things, but that does not matter cause When they come from a authentic source,then we do assume them as right or true. For example why were the planets named so and not by some other name ? Why is Jupiter called so and why is it not called saturn ? Heres theres no logic for one to question, because life is too short to learn all and have answer for every why. Or why all planets been given number of years so given as we read Sun-6, Moon 10 etc. or 27 Nakshatras,their lordships who made and why . Theres no need to go into all this . We better remain with what we can learn and are allowed to learn. And where logic can be gained, we should certainly see that too. Why not ? But where apparently not seen we should not deny the source or end result. Theres a beautiful significance on the order of Dashas, which relates to the birth and later years as evolvement takes place, so does the dasha keeps changing in that order, for the natural Purush. But we will take that some other day as time and space constraints. regards, Bhaskar. , "Bharat Hindu Astrology" <hinduastrology wrote: > > Namaste Sri David > > My comments only pertain to the last point: > > The dasha of the lord of 6th, 8th and 12th cannot be seen in isolation. The > same lord may own a trikona and may be placed well. Like for Mithuna lagna, > Venus will be the 12th lord but it is the 5th lord too. Similarly, if these > are under vipreeta raja yoga, then the results will change. > > Furthermore, it is important to see the placement of the anterdasha lord > vis-a-vis the mahadasha lord. Like in my own case, the period of > Venus-Mercury for Mithuna Lagna - was one of the worst period of my life so > far. Venus is in 9th house and Mercury is in the 8th and is Vargottama but > is in the 12th house from mahadasha lord. > > To you and Sri Bhaskar I confess I have not used the first 4 points but > shall try and incorporate them. I usually incorporate analysis when I find > some logic and sound reason behind it. I would love to know if someone can > comment upon the significance of the order of the dasha. > > Thanks and Regards > Bharat > > > > On 11/25/06, David Andrews <dprapus wrote: > > > > Dear Shri Chandrasekhar ji and learned members, > > Phaladeepika Chapter 20 Sloka 24 outlines that the following dasas will > > bring misery and trouble:- > > 1. Dasa of Saturn if it is the 4th in the order of main dasa. > > 2. Dasa of Jupiter if it is the 6th. > > 3. Dasa of Mars and Rahu if they are 5th. > > 4. The dasa of a planet which is placed in the last degree of a sign. > > 5. The dasas of the lords of the 6th, 8th and 12th houses. > > > > In delineating charts I have not observed astrologers taking the first > > three items into consideration. May I have your comments on the above > > please. > > Thank you. > > > > David > > > > > > Everyone is raving about the all-new Mail beta. > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 25, 2006 Report Share Posted November 25, 2006 On 11/25/06, Bharat Hindu Astrology <hinduastrology > wrote: > > Namaste Sri David > > My comments only pertain to the last point: > > The dasha of the lord of 6th, 8th and 12th cannot be seen in isolation. > The > same lord may own a trikona and may be placed well. Like for Mithuna > lagna, > Venus will be the 12th lord but it is the 5th lord too. Similarly, if > these > are under vipreeta raja yoga, then the results will change. > > Furthermore, it is important to see the placement of the anterdasha lord > vis-a-vis the mahadasha lord. Like in my own case, the period of > Venus-Mercury for Mithuna Lagna - was one of the worst period of my life > so > far. Venus is in 9th house and Mercury is in the 8th and is Vargottama but > is in the 12th house from mahadasha lord. > > To you and Sri Bhaskar I confess I have not used the first 4 points but > shall try and incorporate them. I usually incorporate analysis when I find > some logic and sound reason behind it. I would love to know if someone can > comment upon the significance of the order of the dasha. > > Thanks and Regards > Bharat > Dear Bharat, The dasa effects are to be inferred from a variety of factors including but not limited to vimshopakabalas. It's only following a vimshopakabala assessment through various divisions that the graha's dasa effects can be truly ascertained (I mean the purna, atipurna, madhya, atimadhya, heen, atiheen, swalpa and atiswalpa states). There are then the ishta balas too. Sacrilegious as this might sound, there's no dearth of risible passages that pervade translations of astro texts; probably not the native texts themselves but certainly the translations. You'll find everything ranging from contradictions to downright impossibilities. If for example you refer Brihat Jataka, you'll wonder whether Varahamihira is advocating unequal-house divisions! Prima facie, the advocacy of prognosis based on dasa numbers appears to be cooked fodder to all of those who reckon that rationality and astrology can never make bedfellows. Just my 0.02, Ramapriya Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 25, 2006 Report Share Posted November 25, 2006 Dear Ramapriyaji, You said- //Prima facie, the advocacy of prognosis based on dasa numbers appears to be cooked fodder to all of those who reckon that rationality and astrology can never make bedfellows.// You mean to say a cooked fodder is given by Mantreshwar of Phaldeepika. What sacrilegous is this? Did he say that total judgement has to be made only by this method ? Dont we have enough common sense to know the basics that keeping one principle in mind, we have to check all other factors before judgement ? What right have you to talk like this when You cant fix own ascendant of your horoscope ? Being a critic is very easy. To prove productive is difficult. You also tried a crack that rationality and astrology can never make bedfellows and the advocacy of.......is fodder for such type of people ............ What rubbish type of talking is this. Will you spend life time learning logic for every action you make ? You call yourself Ramapriya ? What logic in that name ? You dont seem to be anywhere near to become a Ram priya. with your base way of talking and writing. "Mohe kapat chal chidra na bhava " if you have not read the Ram Charitmanas let me remind You. If we heed to our mind which calls for logic before uttering your name then one can never utter your name. You are just hurting people with your language and making unnecessary digs which are unwarranted. You also suggested that leo ascendants cannot make astrologers.Such type of statements should not come from a mature gentelemen. Best wishes, Bhaskar. , "D Ramapriya" <ramapriya.d wrote: > > On 11/25/06, Bharat Hindu Astrology <hinduastrology wrote: > > > > Namaste Sri David > > > > My comments only pertain to the last point: > > > > The dasha of the lord of 6th, 8th and 12th cannot be seen in isolation. > > The > > same lord may own a trikona and may be placed well. Like for Mithuna > > lagna, > > Venus will be the 12th lord but it is the 5th lord too. Similarly, if > > these > > are under vipreeta raja yoga, then the results will change. > > > > Furthermore, it is important to see the placement of the anterdasha lord > > vis-a-vis the mahadasha lord. Like in my own case, the period of > > Venus-Mercury for Mithuna Lagna - was one of the worst period of my life > > so > > far. Venus is in 9th house and Mercury is in the 8th and is Vargottama but > > is in the 12th house from mahadasha lord. > > > > To you and Sri Bhaskar I confess I have not used the first 4 points but > > shall try and incorporate them. I usually incorporate analysis when I find > > some logic and sound reason behind it. I would love to know if someone can > > comment upon the significance of the order of the dasha. > > > > Thanks and Regards > > Bharat > > > > Dear Bharat, > > The dasa effects are to be inferred from a variety of factors including but > not limited to vimshopakabalas. It's only following a vimshopakabala > assessment through various divisions that the graha's dasa effects can be > truly ascertained (I mean the purna, atipurna, madhya, atimadhya, heen, > atiheen, swalpa and atiswalpa states). There are then the ishta balas too. > > Sacrilegious as this might sound, there's no dearth of risible passages that > pervade translations of astro texts; probably not the native texts > themselves but certainly the translations. You'll find everything ranging > from contradictions to downright impossibilities. If for example you refer > Brihat Jataka, you'll wonder whether Varahamihira is advocating > unequal-house divisions! > > Prima facie, the advocacy of prognosis based on dasa numbers appears to be > cooked fodder to all of those who reckon that rationality and astrology can > never make bedfellows. > > Just my 0.02, > Ramapriya > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 25, 2006 Report Share Posted November 25, 2006 I won't pander to your idle plonkerthoughts Bhaskar. Go on and drivel as much as it pleases you. On 11/25/06, Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish (AT) (DOT) co.in> wrote: > > Dear Ramapriyaji, > > You said- > //Prima facie, the advocacy of prognosis based on dasa numbers > appears to be cooked fodder to all of those who reckon that > rationality and astrology can never make bedfellows.// > > You mean to say a cooked fodder is given by Mantreshwar of > Phaldeepika. What sacrilegous is this? Did he say > that total judgement has to be made only by this method ? > Dont we have enough common sense to know the basics > that keeping one principle in mind, we have to check all > other factors before judgement ? What right have you to talk > like this when You cant fix own ascendant of your horoscope ? > Being a critic is very easy. To prove productive is difficult. > > You also tried a crack that rationality and astrology can > never make bedfellows and the advocacy of.......is fodder > for such type of people ............ > > What rubbish type of talking is this. > Will you spend life time learning logic for every action you make ? > You call yourself Ramapriya ? What logic in that name ? > You dont seem to be anywhere near to become a Ram priya. > with your base way of talking and writing. > "Mohe kapat chal chidra na bhava " if you have not read the > Ram Charitmanas let me remind You. If we heed to our mind which calls > for logic before uttering your name then one can never utter your > name. > > You are just hurting people with your language and making unnecessary > digs which are unwarranted. > > You also suggested that leo ascendants cannot make > astrologers.Such type of statements should not come from > a mature gentelemen. > > Best wishes, > Bhaskar. > > <%40>, "D > Ramapriya" <ramapriya.d > wrote: > > > > > On 11/25/06, Bharat Hindu Astrology <hinduastrology wrote: > > > > > > Namaste Sri David > > > > > > My comments only pertain to the last point: > > > > > > The dasha of the lord of 6th, 8th and 12th cannot be seen in > isolation. > > > The > > > same lord may own a trikona and may be placed well. Like for > Mithuna > > > lagna, > > > Venus will be the 12th lord but it is the 5th lord too. > Similarly, if > > > these > > > are under vipreeta raja yoga, then the results will change. > > > > > > Furthermore, it is important to see the placement of the > anterdasha lord > > > vis-a-vis the mahadasha lord. Like in my own case, the period of > > > Venus-Mercury for Mithuna Lagna - was one of the worst period of > my life > > > so > > > far. Venus is in 9th house and Mercury is in the 8th and is > Vargottama but > > > is in the 12th house from mahadasha lord. > > > > > > To you and Sri Bhaskar I confess I have not used the first 4 > points but > > > shall try and incorporate them. I usually incorporate analysis > when I find > > > some logic and sound reason behind it. I would love to know if > someone can > > > comment upon the significance of the order of the dasha. > > > > > > Thanks and Regards > > > Bharat > > > > > > > Dear Bharat, > > > > The dasa effects are to be inferred from a variety of factors > including but > > not limited to vimshopakabalas. It's only following a vimshopakabala > > assessment through various divisions that the graha's dasa effects > can be > > truly ascertained (I mean the purna, atipurna, madhya, atimadhya, > heen, > > atiheen, swalpa and atiswalpa states). There are then the ishta > balas too. > > > > Sacrilegious as this might sound, there's no dearth of risible > passages that > > pervade translations of astro texts; probably not the native texts > > themselves but certainly the translations. You'll find everything > ranging > > from contradictions to downright impossibilities. If for example > you refer > > Brihat Jataka, you'll wonder whether Varahamihira is advocating > > unequal-house divisions! > > > > Prima facie, the advocacy of prognosis based on dasa numbers > appears to be > > cooked fodder to all of those who reckon that rationality and > astrology can > > never make bedfellows. > > > > Just my 0.02, > > Ramapriya > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 25, 2006 Report Share Posted November 25, 2006 Ram priya (???) Again you have taken role of Emperor Aurangjeb and trying to judge, (No already judged?) that Bhaskar has got idle plonker thoughts. I wish I could help it, but nowadays they teach English to just anybody. By the way,I do not wish you to pander to my thoughts. Just talk sense and astrological discussions please. and if you/we make mistakes in these discussions it dosent matter, but mistakes made again and again by provoking and allegations at those who are discussing,participating and trying to contribute in their own small way is actually unnecessary. Anyone can sit on the shores and comment with a cup of coffee in his hand. Go and save the strugglers drowning in the turbulent waves of uncertainity. What Ego feeding man ? You also will go the same way I go ? We all have to get burned on the pyres ? Let the destinations also be the same,but with your behaviours the ways will part after getting burnt up. So why one up or one down, what does all this matter in the final analysis ? All are heroes and all are villans. In astrological Forums if You wish to become Hero then no problem. I will die a student anyway. Salutations to You my Dear Ram Priya. Pranams to you. Dandvat sashtang Pranams to you. Yours humbly, a learner, Bhaskar, , "D Ramapriya" <ramapriya.d wrote: > > I won't pander to your idle plonkerthoughts Bhaskar. Go on and drivel as > much as it pleases you. > > On 11/25/06, Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish wrote: > > > > Dear Ramapriyaji, > > > > You said- > > //Prima facie, the advocacy of prognosis based on dasa numbers > > appears to be cooked fodder to all of those who reckon that > > rationality and astrology can never make bedfellows.// > > > > You mean to say a cooked fodder is given by Mantreshwar of > > Phaldeepika. What sacrilegous is this? Did he say > > that total judgement has to be made only by this method ? > > Dont we have enough common sense to know the basics > > that keeping one principle in mind, we have to check all > > other factors before judgement ? What right have you to talk > > like this when You cant fix own ascendant of your horoscope ? > > Being a critic is very easy. To prove productive is difficult. > > > > You also tried a crack that rationality and astrology can > > never make bedfellows and the advocacy of.......is fodder > > for such type of people ............ > > > > What rubbish type of talking is this. > > Will you spend life time learning logic for every action you make ? > > You call yourself Ramapriya ? What logic in that name ? > > You dont seem to be anywhere near to become a Ram priya. > > with your base way of talking and writing. > > "Mohe kapat chal chidra na bhava " if you have not read the > > Ram Charitmanas let me remind You. If we heed to our mind which calls > > for logic before uttering your name then one can never utter your > > name. > > > > You are just hurting people with your language and making unnecessary > > digs which are unwarranted. > > > > You also suggested that leo ascendants cannot make > > astrologers.Such type of statements should not come from > > a mature gentelemen. > > > > Best wishes, > > Bhaskar. > > > > <% 40>, "D > > Ramapriya" <ramapriya.d@> > > wrote: > > > > > > > > On 11/25/06, Bharat Hindu Astrology <hinduastrology@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Namaste Sri David > > > > > > > > My comments only pertain to the last point: > > > > > > > > The dasha of the lord of 6th, 8th and 12th cannot be seen in > > isolation. > > > > The > > > > same lord may own a trikona and may be placed well. Like for > > Mithuna > > > > lagna, > > > > Venus will be the 12th lord but it is the 5th lord too. > > Similarly, if > > > > these > > > > are under vipreeta raja yoga, then the results will change. > > > > > > > > Furthermore, it is important to see the placement of the > > anterdasha lord > > > > vis-a-vis the mahadasha lord. Like in my own case, the period of > > > > Venus-Mercury for Mithuna Lagna - was one of the worst period of > > my life > > > > so > > > > far. Venus is in 9th house and Mercury is in the 8th and is > > Vargottama but > > > > is in the 12th house from mahadasha lord. > > > > > > > > To you and Sri Bhaskar I confess I have not used the first 4 > > points but > > > > shall try and incorporate them. I usually incorporate analysis > > when I find > > > > some logic and sound reason behind it. I would love to know if > > someone can > > > > comment upon the significance of the order of the dasha. > > > > > > > > Thanks and Regards > > > > Bharat > > > > > > > > > > Dear Bharat, > > > > > > The dasa effects are to be inferred from a variety of factors > > including but > > > not limited to vimshopakabalas. It's only following a vimshopakabala > > > assessment through various divisions that the graha's dasa effects > > can be > > > truly ascertained (I mean the purna, atipurna, madhya, atimadhya, > > heen, > > > atiheen, swalpa and atiswalpa states). There are then the ishta > > balas too. > > > > > > Sacrilegious as this might sound, there's no dearth of risible > > passages that > > > pervade translations of astro texts; probably not the native texts > > > themselves but certainly the translations. You'll find everything > > ranging > > > from contradictions to downright impossibilities. If for example > > you refer > > > Brihat Jataka, you'll wonder whether Varahamihira is advocating > > > unequal-house divisions! > > > > > > Prima facie, the advocacy of prognosis based on dasa numbers > > appears to be > > > cooked fodder to all of those who reckon that rationality and > > astrology can > > > never make bedfellows. > > > > > > Just my 0.02, > > > Ramapriya > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 25, 2006 Report Share Posted November 25, 2006 Dear David, You have really dug deep in Phaldeepika and asked one of the most relevant questions to appear on the lists in a long time. You are right that astrologers rarely take the first three items into consideration for delineating results of a particular dasha. At least, not in the form that it appears in Mantreshwar's classic. If you look at the dasha order in depth you will realize that for Saturn Dasha to be fourth, dasha at birth has to be of Mars. For Jupiter dasha to appear 6th in order the dasha at birth has to be Venus and for Mars to come the 5th birth dasha is that of Ketu and for Rahu it is Venus again. For Saturn dasha the jataka will be between 34 and 41, for Jupiter 41 to 61 and so on. So the results are primarily based on the interpretation of relation between Chandra lagna and the bhava lordships of the dasha lords. A very small hint is that when Chandra is in Aries, indicating Ketu dasha at birth Mars will be lord of the 8th, though lagna lord and his dasha is not likely to be very beneficial. I am sure you can work out the rest. Personally, I prefer using the bhava lordships of planets with reference to lagna to delineate the eventual results of Vimshottari dashas. Of course what I have given, is my personal opinion and those more knowledgeable than me could hold a different view. Chandrashekhar. David Andrews wrote: > > Dear Shri Chandrasekhar ji and learned members, > Phaladeepika Chapter 20 Sloka 24 outlines that the following dasas > will bring misery and trouble:- > 1. Dasa of Saturn if it is the 4th in the order of main dasa. > 2. Dasa of Jupiter if it is the 6th. > 3. Dasa of Mars and Rahu if they are 5th. > 4. The dasa of a planet which is placed in the last degree of a sign. > 5. The dasas of the lords of the 6th, 8th and 12th houses. > > In delineating charts I have not observed astrologers taking the first > three items into consideration. May I have your comments on the above > please. > Thank you. > > David > > > Everyone is raving about the all-new Mail beta. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 25, 2006 Report Share Posted November 25, 2006 Dear Bhaskar ji and Ramapriya ji, Let us discuss the question I have posed seriously. I know that Ramapriya ji likes to inject some humor in the discussion to break the monotony. However, that should not veer anyone away from the discussion. Let us like real gentlemen argue on the subject matter and not be drawn into personal issues. It is sad that so much time is wasted on personal issues. The subject matter is "Dasa which give misery and trouble". If one pulls up the subject at a later time here in this forum one would find nothing much has been discussed but personal issues! I am aware that both of you can contribute a lot in these forums and let us make it worthwhile. Thank you. David Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish (AT) (DOT) co.in> wrote: Ram priya (???) Again you have taken role of Emperor Aurangjeb and trying to judge, (No already judged?) that Bhaskar has got idle plonker thoughts. I wish I could help it, but nowadays they teach English to just anybody. By the way,I do not wish you to pander to my thoughts. Just talk sense and astrological discussions please. and if you/we make mistakes in these discussions it dosent matter, but mistakes made again and again by provoking and allegations at those who are discussing,participating and trying to contribute in their own small way is actually unnecessary. Anyone can sit on the shores and comment with a cup of coffee in his hand. Go and save the strugglers drowning in the turbulent waves of uncertainity. What Ego feeding man ? You also will go the same way I go ? We all have to get burned on the pyres ? Let the destinations also be the same,but with your behaviours the ways will part after getting burnt up. So why one up or one down, what does all this matter in the final analysis ? All are heroes and all are villans. In astrological Forums if You wish to become Hero then no problem. I will die a student anyway. Salutations to You my Dear Ram Priya. Pranams to you. Dandvat sashtang Pranams to you. Yours humbly, a learner, Bhaskar, , "D Ramapriya" <ramapriya.d wrote: > > I won't pander to your idle plonkerthoughts Bhaskar. Go on and drivel as > much as it pleases you. > > On 11/25/06, Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish wrote: > > > > Dear Ramapriyaji, > > > > You said- > > //Prima facie, the advocacy of prognosis based on dasa numbers > > appears to be cooked fodder to all of those who reckon that > > rationality and astrology can never make bedfellows.// > > > > You mean to say a cooked fodder is given by Mantreshwar of > > Phaldeepika. What sacrilegous is this? Did he say > > that total judgement has to be made only by this method ? > > Dont we have enough common sense to know the basics > > that keeping one principle in mind, we have to check all > > other factors before judgement ? What right have you to talk > > like this when You cant fix own ascendant of your horoscope ? > > Being a critic is very easy. To prove productive is difficult. > > > > You also tried a crack that rationality and astrology can > > never make bedfellows and the advocacy of.......is fodder > > for such type of people ............ > > > > What rubbish type of talking is this. > > Will you spend life time learning logic for every action you make ? > > You call yourself Ramapriya ? What logic in that name ? > > You dont seem to be anywhere near to become a Ram priya. > > with your base way of talking and writing. > > "Mohe kapat chal chidra na bhava " if you have not read the > > Ram Charitmanas let me remind You. If we heed to our mind which calls > > for logic before uttering your name then one can never utter your > > name. > > > > You are just hurting people with your language and making unnecessary > > digs which are unwarranted. > > > > You also suggested that leo ascendants cannot make > > astrologers.Such type of statements should not come from > > a mature gentelemen. > > > > Best wishes, > > Bhaskar. > > > > <% 40>, "D > > Ramapriya" <ramapriya.d@> > > wrote: > > > > > > > > On 11/25/06, Bharat Hindu Astrology <hinduastrology@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Namaste Sri David > > > > > > > > My comments only pertain to the last point: > > > > > > > > The dasha of the lord of 6th, 8th and 12th cannot be seen in > > isolation. > > > > The > > > > same lord may own a trikona and may be placed well. Like for > > Mithuna > > > > lagna, > > > > Venus will be the 12th lord but it is the 5th lord too. > > Similarly, if > > > > these > > > > are under vipreeta raja yoga, then the results will change. > > > > > > > > Furthermore, it is important to see the placement of the > > anterdasha lord > > > > vis-a-vis the mahadasha lord. Like in my own case, the period of > > > > Venus-Mercury for Mithuna Lagna - was one of the worst period of > > my life > > > > so > > > > far. Venus is in 9th house and Mercury is in the 8th and is > > Vargottama but > > > > is in the 12th house from mahadasha lord. > > > > > > > > To you and Sri Bhaskar I confess I have not used the first 4 > > points but > > > > shall try and incorporate them. I usually incorporate analysis > > when I find > > > > some logic and sound reason behind it. I would love to know if > > someone can > > > > comment upon the significance of the order of the dasha. > > > > > > > > Thanks and Regards > > > > Bharat > > > > > > > > > > Dear Bharat, > > > > > > The dasa effects are to be inferred from a variety of factors > > including but > > > not limited to vimshopakabalas. It's only following a vimshopakabala > > > assessment through various divisions that the graha's dasa effects > > can be > > > truly ascertained (I mean the purna, atipurna, madhya, atimadhya, > > heen, > > > atiheen, swalpa and atiswalpa states). There are then the ishta > > balas too. > > > > > > Sacrilegious as this might sound, there's no dearth of risible > > passages that > > > pervade translations of astro texts; probably not the native texts > > > themselves but certainly the translations. You'll find everything > > ranging > > > from contradictions to downright impossibilities. If for example > > you refer > > > Brihat Jataka, you'll wonder whether Varahamihira is advocating > > > unequal-house divisions! > > > > > > Prima facie, the advocacy of prognosis based on dasa numbers > > appears to be > > > cooked fodder to all of those who reckon that rationality and > > astrology can > > > never make bedfellows. > > > > > > Just my 0.02, > > > Ramapriya > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 25, 2006 Report Share Posted November 25, 2006 yes indeed i agree with mr. david let us have humour and astrology together not getting personsl takecare all , raj k David Andrews <dprapus > wrote: Dear Bhaskar ji and Ramapriya ji, Let us discuss the question I have posed seriously. I know that Ramapriya ji likes to inject some humor in the discussion to break the monotony. However, that should not veer anyone away from the discussion. Let us like real gentlemen argue on the subject matter and not be drawn into personal issues. It is sad that so much time is wasted on personal issues. The subject matter is "Dasa which give misery and trouble". If one pulls up the subject at a later time here in this forum one would find nothing much has been discussed but personal issues! I am aware that both of you can contribute a lot in these forums and let us make it worthwhile. Thank you. David Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish (AT) (DOT) co.in> wrote: Ram priya (???) Again you have taken role of Emperor Aurangjeb and trying to judge, (No already judged?) that Bhaskar has got idle plonker thoughts. I wish I could help it, but nowadays they teach English to just anybody. By the way,I do not wish you to pander to my thoughts. Just talk sense and astrological discussions please. and if you/we make mistakes in these discussions it dosent matter, but mistakes made again and again by provoking and allegations at those who are discussing,participating and trying to contribute in their own small way is actually unnecessary. Anyone can sit on the shores and comment with a cup of coffee in his hand. Go and save the strugglers drowning in the turbulent waves of uncertainity. What Ego feeding man ? You also will go the same way I go ? We all have to get burned on the pyres ? Let the destinations also be the same,but with your behaviours the ways will part after getting burnt up. So why one up or one down, what does all this matter in the final analysis ? All are heroes and all are villans. In astrological Forums if You wish to become Hero then no problem. I will die a student anyway. Salutations to You my Dear Ram Priya. Pranams to you. Dandvat sashtang Pranams to you. Yours humbly, a learner, Bhaskar, , "D Ramapriya" <ramapriya.d wrote: > > I won't pander to your idle plonkerthoughts Bhaskar. Go on and drivel as > much as it pleases you. > > On 11/25/06, Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish wrote: > > > > Dear Ramapriyaji, > > > > You said- > > //Prima facie, the advocacy of prognosis based on dasa numbers > > appears to be cooked fodder to all of those who reckon that > > rationality and astrology can never make bedfellows.// > > > > You mean to say a cooked fodder is given by Mantreshwar of > > Phaldeepika. What sacrilegous is this? Did he say > > that total judgement has to be made only by this method ? > > Dont we have enough common sense to know the basics > > that keeping one principle in mind, we have to check all > > other factors before judgement ? What right have you to talk > > like this when You cant fix own ascendant of your horoscope ? > > Being a critic is very easy. To prove productive is difficult. > > > > You also tried a crack that rationality and astrology can > > never make bedfellows and the advocacy of.......is fodder > > for such type of people ............ > > > > What rubbish type of talking is this. > > Will you spend life time learning logic for every action you make ? > > You call yourself Ramapriya ? What logic in that name ? > > You dont seem to be anywhere near to become a Ram priya. > > with your base way of talking and writing. > > "Mohe kapat chal chidra na bhava " if you have not read the > > Ram Charitmanas let me remind You. If we heed to our mind which calls > > for logic before uttering your name then one can never utter your > > name. > > > > You are just hurting people with your language and making unnecessary > > digs which are unwarranted. > > > > You also suggested that leo ascendants cannot make > > astrologers.Such type of statements should not come from > > a mature gentelemen. > > > > Best wishes, > > Bhaskar. > > > > <% 40>, "D > > Ramapriya" <ramapriya.d@> > > wrote: > > > > > > > > On 11/25/06, Bharat Hindu Astrology <hinduastrology@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Namaste Sri David > > > > > > > > My comments only pertain to the last point: > > > > > > > > The dasha of the lord of 6th, 8th and 12th cannot be seen in > > isolation. > > > > The > > > > same lord may own a trikona and may be placed well. Like for > > Mithuna > > > > lagna, > > > > Venus will be the 12th lord but it is the 5th lord too. > > Similarly, if > > > > these > > > > are under vipreeta raja yoga, then the results will change. > > > > > > > > Furthermore, it is important to see the placement of the > > anterdasha lord > > > > vis-a-vis the mahadasha lord. Like in my own case, the period of > > > > Venus-Mercury for Mithuna Lagna - was one of the worst period of > > my life > > > > so > > > > far. Venus is in 9th house and Mercury is in the 8th and is > > Vargottama but > > > > is in the 12th house from mahadasha lord. > > > > > > > > To you and Sri Bhaskar I confess I have not used the first 4 > > points but > > > > shall try and incorporate them. I usually incorporate analysis > > when I find > > > > some logic and sound reason behind it. I would love to know if > > someone can > > > > comment upon the significance of the order of the dasha. > > > > > > > > Thanks and Regards > > > > Bharat > > > > > > > > > > Dear Bharat, > > > > > > The dasa effects are to be inferred from a variety of factors > > including but > > > not limited to vimshopakabalas. It's only following a vimshopakabala > > > assessment through various divisions that the graha's dasa effects > > can be > > > truly ascertained (I mean the purna, atipurna, madhya, atimadhya, > > heen, > > > atiheen, swalpa and atiswalpa states). There are then the ishta > > balas too. > > > > > > Sacrilegious as this might sound, there's no dearth of risible > > passages that > > > pervade translations of astro texts; probably not the native texts > > > themselves but certainly the translations. You'll find everything > > ranging > > > from contradictions to downright impossibilities. If for example > > you refer > > > Brihat Jataka, you'll wonder whether Varahamihira is advocating > > > unequal-house divisions! > > > > > > Prima facie, the advocacy of prognosis based on dasa numbers > > appears to be > > > cooked fodder to all of those who reckon that rationality and > > astrology can > > > never make bedfellows. > > > > > > Just my 0.02, > > > Ramapriya > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 26, 2006 Report Share Posted November 26, 2006 Dear Sri Chandrasekhar and Sri David, Like any other principles, I would say that these have to be considered along with rest of other supporting parameters of the horoscope, and these rules shd not be taken in isolation. For example, taking the 5th point mentioned by David, dasha of my 8th lord was excellent and I got one of the best educational experiences (and subsequent qualifications) from one of the premier institutions of India, which forms basis for my current social status; just because it is closely associated with my 5th Lord. However, I had some financial dificulties during my educational period, but I had not experienced any of the serious troubles normally attributed to the 8th house. Regards, Satya , Chandrashekhar <chandrashekhar46 wrote: > > Dear David, > > You have really dug deep in Phaldeepika and asked one of the most > relevant questions to appear on the lists in a long time. You are right > that astrologers rarely take the first three items into consideration > for delineating results of a particular dasha. At least, not in the form > that it appears in Mantreshwar's classic. > > If you look at the dasha order in depth you will realize that for Saturn > Dasha to be fourth, dasha at birth has to be of Mars. For Jupiter dasha > to appear 6th in order the dasha at birth has to be Venus and for Mars > to come the 5th birth dasha is that of Ketu and for Rahu it is Venus > again. For Saturn dasha the jataka will be between 34 and 41, for > Jupiter 41 to 61 and so on. So the results are primarily based on the > interpretation of relation between Chandra lagna and the bhava lordships > of the dasha lords. A very small hint is that when Chandra is in Aries, > indicating Ketu dasha at birth Mars will be lord of the 8th, though > lagna lord and his dasha is not likely to be very beneficial. I am sure > you can work out the rest. > > Personally, I prefer using the bhava lordships of planets with reference > to lagna to delineate the eventual results of Vimshottari dashas. Of > course what I have given, is my personal opinion and those more > knowledgeable than me could hold a different view. > > Chandrashekhar. > > > David Andrews wrote: > > > > Dear Shri Chandrasekhar ji and learned members, > > Phaladeepika Chapter 20 Sloka 24 outlines that the following dasas > > will bring misery and trouble:- > > 1. Dasa of Saturn if it is the 4th in the order of main dasa. > > 2. Dasa of Jupiter if it is the 6th. > > 3. Dasa of Mars and Rahu if they are 5th. > > 4. The dasa of a planet which is placed in the last degree of a sign. > > 5. The dasas of the lords of the 6th, 8th and 12th houses. > > > > In delineating charts I have not observed astrologers taking the first > > three items into consideration. May I have your comments on the above > > please. > > Thank you. > > > > David > > > > > > Everyone is raving about the all-new Mail beta. > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 26, 2006 Report Share Posted November 26, 2006 Dear Satya, I do not advocate to take anything in isolation when talking about astrology. For example, if the dasha of 8th lord is operating, as in your case and if it also happens to be a trine lord, one half of its period can give good results. Chandrashekhar. Satya Sai Kolachina wrote: > > Dear Sri Chandrasekhar and Sri David, > > Like any other principles, I would say that these have to be > considered along with rest of other supporting parameters of the > horoscope, and these rules shd not be taken in isolation. > > For example, taking the 5th point mentioned by David, dasha of my > 8th lord was excellent and I got one of the best educational > experiences (and subsequent qualifications) from one of the premier > institutions of India, which forms basis for my current social > status; just because it is closely associated with my 5th Lord. > However, I had some financial dificulties during my educational > period, but I had not experienced any of the serious troubles > normally attributed to the 8th house. > > Regards, > Satya > > > <%40>, Chandrashekhar > <chandrashekhar46 wrote: > > > > Dear David, > > > > You have really dug deep in Phaldeepika and asked one of the most > > relevant questions to appear on the lists in a long time. You are > right > > that astrologers rarely take the first three items into > consideration > > for delineating results of a particular dasha. At least, not in > the form > > that it appears in Mantreshwar's classic. > > > > If you look at the dasha order in depth you will realize that for > Saturn > > Dasha to be fourth, dasha at birth has to be of Mars. For Jupiter > dasha > > to appear 6th in order the dasha at birth has to be Venus and for > Mars > > to come the 5th birth dasha is that of Ketu and for Rahu it is > Venus > > again. For Saturn dasha the jataka will be between 34 and 41, for > > Jupiter 41 to 61 and so on. So the results are primarily based on > the > > interpretation of relation between Chandra lagna and the bhava > lordships > > of the dasha lords. A very small hint is that when Chandra is in > Aries, > > indicating Ketu dasha at birth Mars will be lord of the 8th, > though > > lagna lord and his dasha is not likely to be very beneficial. I am > sure > > you can work out the rest. > > > > Personally, I prefer using the bhava lordships of planets with > reference > > to lagna to delineate the eventual results of Vimshottari dashas. > Of > > course what I have given, is my personal opinion and those more > > knowledgeable than me could hold a different view. > > > > Chandrashekhar. > > > > > > David Andrews wrote: > > > > > > Dear Shri Chandrasekhar ji and learned members, > > > Phaladeepika Chapter 20 Sloka 24 outlines that the following > dasas > > > will bring misery and trouble:- > > > 1. Dasa of Saturn if it is the 4th in the order of main dasa. > > > 2. Dasa of Jupiter if it is the 6th. > > > 3. Dasa of Mars and Rahu if they are 5th. > > > 4. The dasa of a planet which is placed in the last degree of a > sign. > > > 5. The dasas of the lords of the 6th, 8th and 12th houses. > > > > > > In delineating charts I have not observed astrologers taking the > first > > > three items into consideration. May I have your comments on the > above > > > please. > > > Thank you. > > > > > > David > > > > > > > > > Everyone is raving about the all-new Mail beta. > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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