A suggestion2all serious students & researchers who r fed up! 25/11

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Dear RRji

 

I have preferred to post birth data wherever possible and HAVE NEVER given any ones names so it must be the right way forward, as no one else knows anyone here and in a country like ours where there isa birth every 12 seconds or so why must anyone feel we r letting them down, we are not giving any contact info of them max some brief info on them can be anyone.

 

we have to do it to share knowledge, know how as well and anything else sure falls Short, and where ever possible we can quote share some classical ref or modern works related info on any topic/s. as there are many ways to reach a destination so it is in reading, predicting a charts course. we can try as many as possible and sure we must keep away from unknown Aynamsas for the sake of doctoring events and Link to ayanamsa.

 

and sure ur experience u can share most topics with a few charts and lead the way.

 

Prashant

Rohiniranjan <jyotish_vani (AT) hotmail (DOT) com> wrote: ... Fed up with the fighting and other distractive activities!

I find that there is quite a bit of distrust and defensiveness that

comes to the fore on jyotish forums and other than the over-eager

reading seekers (not a criticism -- please don't react violently!) I

find that we often not share a lot of charts and birthdata. There is

understandably some ownership/territorial issues there and sometimes

copyright issues get in the way. I have no solution for the latter,

but given the premise that if we post the rashi positions of

illustrative cases, one would then be able to get the:

Rashi

Padas

If possible indicate the charakarakattwa

Ashtavarga

 

Surely that is a powerful package and enough information to

meaningfully discuss jyotish? Yes the purists will mumble and grumble

that the vargas and nakshatras are not there and the dashas etc too.

 

One caveat and request though for those who wish to follow this

suggestion of mine:

 

Please do not include charts where a planet is within the first or

last 2-3 degrees of a sign. The reason is obvious. We do not want

people who use other ayanamshas (not the extreme ayanamshas!) than

what we do (Raman/Lahiri and close ones) to go off on a wild goose

chase by their standards.

 

And if possible, let us drop this gyani, expert, teacher perspective

that some of us come down at others with. If we were any of those, we

would not have to constantly justify and explain and indicate that we

are so!

 

Let us just express our souls, our hearts, our learnings and let the

others figure out what our worth is.

 

RR

 

 

 

 

Everyone is raving about the all-new Mail beta.

[Guest guest]

I am not sure if I understand the meaning or intent of your posted

message fully, Kumarji

 

<sigh>

 

RR

 

 

 

, Prashant Kumar G B

<gbp_kumar wrote:

>

> Dear RRji

>

> I have preferred to post birth data wherever possible and HAVE

NEVER given any ones names so it must be the right way forward, as no

one else knows anyone here and in a country like ours where there isa

birth every 12 seconds or so why must anyone feel we r letting them

down, we are not giving any contact info of them max some brief info

on them can be anyone.

>

> we have to do it to share knowledge, know how as well and anything

else sure falls Short, and where ever possible we can quote share

some classical ref or modern works related info on any topic/s. as

there are many ways to reach a destination so it is in reading,

predicting a charts course. we can try as many as possible and sure

we must keep away from unknown Aynamsas for the sake of doctoring

events and Link to ayanamsa.

>

> and sure ur experience u can share most topics with a few charts

and lead the way.

>

> Prashant

> Rohiniranjan <jyotish_vani

wrote: ... Fed up with the fighting

and other distractive activities!

> I find that there is quite a bit of distrust and defensiveness

that

> comes to the fore on jyotish forums and other than the over-eager

> reading seekers (not a criticism -- please don't react violently!)

I

> find that we often not share a lot of charts and birthdata. There

is

> understandably some ownership/territorial issues there and

sometimes

> copyright issues get in the way. I have no solution for the

latter,

> but given the premise that if we post the rashi positions of

> illustrative cases, one would then be able to get the:

> Rashi

> Padas

> If possible indicate the charakarakattwa

> Ashtavarga

>

> Surely that is a powerful package and enough information to

> meaningfully discuss jyotish? Yes the purists will mumble and

grumble

> that the vargas and nakshatras are not there and the dashas etc

too.

>

> One caveat and request though for those who wish to follow this

> suggestion of mine:

>

> Please do not include charts where a planet is within the first or

> last 2-3 degrees of a sign. The reason is obvious. We do not want

> people who use other ayanamshas (not the extreme ayanamshas!) than

> what we do (Raman/Lahiri and close ones) to go off on a wild goose

> chase by their standards.

>

> And if possible, let us drop this gyani, expert, teacher

perspective

> that some of us come down at others with. If we were any of those,

we

> would not have to constantly justify and explain and indicate that

we

> are so!

>

> Let us just express our souls, our hearts, our learnings and let

the

> others figure out what our worth is.

>

> RR

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

> Everyone is raving about the all-new Mail beta.

>

>

[Guest guest]

Dear RRji

i had said members post charts with detaisl and not chart data to keep privacy in mind

and this way avoid any usless activity

 

I had said as always we can give birth data as we can't say the data we r ginvg is known to all of other members who x,y, z. It is impossible for anyone to say for sure we have breached any clients privacy as we have so many births every day in any part of the world and in any hospital same time too there are births taking place no loss of trust is implied if we post data without any address, tel no work place info which none will do anyway.

 

for that matter we dont know ur birthdta as yet can guess from ur postings may be born around 1946-49 range max. [jest].

 

so we can post Latd long for places with time zones avoid place names DOB, POB, soe events in life of a case tostudy, cite etc.

and still be doing a good job in astrology and also client privacy.

 

 

Rohiniranjan <jyotish_vani (AT) hotmail (DOT) com> wrote: I am not sure if I understand the meaning or intent of your posted

message fully, Kumarji

 

<sigh>

 

RR

 

, Prashant Kumar G B

<gbp_kumar wrote:

>

> Dear RRji

>

> I have preferred to post birth data wherever possible and HAVE

NEVER given any ones names so it must be the right way forward, as no

one else knows anyone here and in a country like ours where there isa

birth every 12 seconds or so why must anyone feel we r letting them

down, we are not giving any contact info of them max some brief info

on them can be anyone.

>

> we have to do it to share knowledge, know how as well and anything

else sure falls Short, and where ever possible we can quote share

some classical ref or modern works related info on any topic/s. as

there are many ways to reach a destination so it is in reading,

predicting a charts course. we can try as many as possible and sure

we must keep away from unknown Aynamsas for the sake of doctoring

events and Link to ayanamsa.

>

> and sure ur experience u can share most topics with a few charts

and lead the way.

>

> Prashant

> Rohiniranjan <jyotish_vani

wrote: ... Fed up with the fighting

and other distractive activities!

> I find that there is quite a bit of distrust and defensiveness

that

> comes to the fore on jyotish forums and other than the over-eager

> reading seekers (not a criticism -- please don't react violently!)

I

> find that we often not share a lot of charts and birthdata. There

is

> understandably some ownership/territorial issues there and

sometimes

> copyright issues get in the way. I have no solution for the

latter,

> but given the premise that if we post the rashi positions of

> illustrative cases, one would then be able to get the:

> Rashi

> Padas

> If possible indicate the charakarakattwa

> Ashtavarga

>

> Surely that is a powerful package and enough information to

> meaningfully discuss jyotish? Yes the purists will mumble and

grumble

> that the vargas and nakshatras are not there and the dashas etc

too.

>

> One caveat and request though for those who wish to follow this

> suggestion of mine:

>

> Please do not include charts where a planet is within the first or

> last 2-3 degrees of a sign. The reason is obvious. We do not want

> people who use other ayanamshas (not the extreme ayanamshas!) than

> what we do (Raman/Lahiri and close ones) to go off on a wild goose

> chase by their standards.

>

> And if possible, let us drop this gyani, expert, teacher

perspective

> that some of us come down at others with. If we were any of those,

we

> would not have to constantly justify and explain and indicate that

we

> are so!

>

> Let us just express our souls, our hearts, our learnings and let

the

> others figure out what our worth is.

>

> RR

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

> Everyone is raving about the all-new Mail beta.

>

>

[Guest guest]

Dear Kumar ji,

 

I hear you!

 

What makes you believe that some of the data already floated around

on internet is real?

 

I am offering individuals an alternative, those who do not feel

comfortable about full and mindless disclosure, particularly of data

that may have acquired from commercial databases. Challenging those

individuals may not be the best way to make them cough up such data!

 

As for birthdata not available readily or at all, for a variety of

reasons -- there is always prashna and KP system ;-)

 

RR

 

 

, Prashant Kumar G B

<gbp_kumar wrote:

>

> Dear RRji

> i had said members post charts with detaisl and not chart data to

keep privacy in mind

> and this way avoid any usless activity

>

> I had said as always we can give birth data as we can't say the

data we r ginvg is known to all of other members who x,y, z. It is

impossible for anyone to say for sure we have breached any clients

privacy as we have so many births every day in any part of the world

and in any hospital same time too there are births taking place no

loss of trust is implied if we post data without any address, tel no

work place info which none will do anyway.

>

> for that matter we dont know ur birthdta as yet can guess from ur

postings may be born around 1946-49 range max. [jest].

>

> so we can post Latd long for places with time zones avoid place

names DOB, POB, soe events in life of a case tostudy, cite etc.

> and still be doing a good job in astrology and also client privacy.

>

>

> Rohiniranjan <jyotish_vani

wrote: I am not sure if I understand

the meaning or intent of your posted

> message fully, Kumarji

>

> <sigh>

>

> RR

>

> , Prashant Kumar G B

> <gbp_kumar@> wrote:

> >

> > Dear RRji

> >

> > I have preferred to post birth data wherever possible and HAVE

> NEVER given any ones names so it must be the right way forward, as

no

> one else knows anyone here and in a country like ours where there

isa

> birth every 12 seconds or so why must anyone feel we r letting

them

> down, we are not giving any contact info of them max some brief

info

> on them can be anyone.

> >

> > we have to do it to share knowledge, know how as well and

anything

> else sure falls Short, and where ever possible we can quote share

> some classical ref or modern works related info on any topic/s. as

> there are many ways to reach a destination so it is in reading,

> predicting a charts course. we can try as many as possible and

sure

> we must keep away from unknown Aynamsas for the sake of doctoring

> events and Link to ayanamsa.

> >

> > and sure ur experience u can share most topics with a few charts

> and lead the way.

> >

> > Prashant

> > Rohiniranjan <jyotish_vani@>

> wrote: ... Fed up with the

fighting

> and other distractive activities!

> > I find that there is quite a bit of distrust and defensiveness

> that

> > comes to the fore on jyotish forums and other than the over-

eager

> > reading seekers (not a criticism -- please don't react

violently!)

> I

> > find that we often not share a lot of charts and birthdata.

There

> is

> > understandably some ownership/territorial issues there and

> sometimes

> > copyright issues get in the way. I have no solution for the

> latter,

> > but given the premise that if we post the rashi positions of

> > illustrative cases, one would then be able to get the:

> > Rashi

> > Padas

> > If possible indicate the charakarakattwa

> > Ashtavarga

> >

> > Surely that is a powerful package and enough information to

> > meaningfully discuss jyotish? Yes the purists will mumble and

> grumble

> > that the vargas and nakshatras are not there and the dashas etc

> too.

> >

> > One caveat and request though for those who wish to follow this

> > suggestion of mine:

> >

> > Please do not include charts where a planet is within the first

or

> > last 2-3 degrees of a sign. The reason is obvious. We do not

want

> > people who use other ayanamshas (not the extreme ayanamshas!)

than

> > what we do (Raman/Lahiri and close ones) to go off on a wild

goose

> > chase by their standards.

> >

> > And if possible, let us drop this gyani, expert, teacher

> perspective

> > that some of us come down at others with. If we were any of

those,

> we

> > would not have to constantly justify and explain and indicate

that

> we

> > are so!

> >

> > Let us just express our souls, our hearts, our learnings and

let

> the

> > others figure out what our worth is.

> >

> > RR

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > Everyone is raving about the all-new Mail beta.

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

It is your data which is being sought by Kumarji!

(jest)

rishi

 

--- Rohiniranjan <jyotish_vani (AT) hotmail (DOT) com> wrote:

 

> Dear Kumar ji,

>

> I hear you!

>

> What makes you believe that some of the data already

> floated around

> on internet is real?

>

> I am offering individuals an alternative, those who

> do not feel

> comfortable about full and mindless disclosure,

> particularly of data

> that may have acquired from commercial databases.

> Challenging those

> individuals may not be the best way to make them

> cough up such data!

>

> As for birthdata not available readily or at all,

> for a variety of

> reasons -- there is always prashna and KP system ;-)

>

> RR

>

>

> , Prashant

> Kumar G B

> <gbp_kumar wrote:

> >

> > Dear RRji

> > i had said members post charts with detaisl and

> not chart data to

> keep privacy in mind

> > and this way avoid any usless activity

> >

> > I had said as always we can give birth data as we

> can't say the

> data we r ginvg is known to all of other members who

> x,y, z. It is

> impossible for anyone to say for sure we have

> breached any clients

> privacy as we have so many births every day in any

> part of the world

> and in any hospital same time too there are births

> taking place no

> loss of trust is implied if we post data without any

> address, tel no

> work place info which none will do anyway.

> >

> > for that matter we dont know ur birthdta as yet

> can guess from ur

> postings may be born around 1946-49 range max.

> [jest].

> >

> > so we can post Latd long for places with time

> zones avoid place

> names DOB, POB, soe events in life of a case

> tostudy, cite etc.

> > and still be doing a good job in astrology and

> also client privacy.

> >

> >

> > Rohiniranjan <jyotish_vani

> wrote: I am not

> sure if I understand

> the meaning or intent of your posted

> > message fully, Kumarji

> >

> > <sigh>

> >

> > RR

> >

> > , Prashant

> Kumar G B

> > <gbp_kumar@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear RRji

> > >

> > > I have preferred to post birth data wherever

> possible and HAVE

> > NEVER given any ones names so it must be the

> right way forward, as

> no

> > one else knows anyone here and in a country like

> ours where there

> isa

> > birth every 12 seconds or so why must anyone feel

> we r letting

> them

> > down, we are not giving any contact info of them

> max some brief

> info

> > on them can be anyone.

> > >

> > > we have to do it to share knowledge, know how

> as well and

> anything

> > else sure falls Short, and where ever possible we

> can quote share

> > some classical ref or modern works related info

> on any topic/s. as

> > there are many ways to reach a destination so it

> is in reading,

> > predicting a charts course. we can try as many as

> possible and

> sure

> > we must keep away from unknown Aynamsas for the

> sake of doctoring

> > events and Link to ayanamsa.

> > >

> > > and sure ur experience u can share most topics

> with a few charts

> > and lead the way.

> > >

> > > Prashant

> > > Rohiniranjan <jyotish_vani@>

> > wrote: ... Fed

> up with the

> fighting

> > and other distractive activities!

> > > I find that there is quite a bit of distrust

> and defensiveness

> > that

> > > comes to the fore on jyotish forums and other

> than the over-

> eager

> > > reading seekers (not a criticism -- please

> don't react

> violently!)

> > I

> > > find that we often not share a lot of charts

> and birthdata.

> There

> > is

> > > understandably some ownership/territorial

> issues there and

> > sometimes

> > > copyright issues get in the way. I have no

> solution for the

> > latter,

> > > but given the premise that if we post the

> rashi positions of

> > > illustrative cases, one would then be able to

> get the:

> > > Rashi

> > > Padas

> > > If possible indicate the charakarakattwa

> > > Ashtavarga

> > >

> > > Surely that is a powerful package and enough

> information to

> > > meaningfully discuss jyotish? Yes the purists

> will mumble and

> > grumble

> > > that the vargas and nakshatras are not there

> and the dashas etc

> > too.

> > >

> > > One caveat and request though for those who

> wish to follow this

> > > suggestion of mine:

> > >

> > > Please do not include charts where a planet is

> within the first

> or

> > > last 2-3 degrees of a sign. The reason is

> obvious. We do not

> want

> > > people who use other ayanamshas (not the

> extreme ayanamshas!)

> than

> > > what we do (Raman/Lahiri and close ones) to go

> off on a wild

> goose

> > > chase by their standards.

> > >

> > > And if possible, let us drop this gyani,

> expert, teacher

> > perspective

> > > that some of us come down at others with. If

> we were any of

> those,

> > we

> > > would not have to constantly justify and

> explain and indicate

> that

> > we

> > > are so!

> > >

> > > Let us just express our souls, our hearts, our

> learnings and

> let

> > the

> > > others figure out what our worth is.

> > >

> > > RR

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

>

=== message truncated ===

 

 

 

 

 

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[Guest guest]

Stop teasing me brother. Someone of his calibre would not even have

the time to spare for me!

 

I am humble and know my worth -- <heading towards the parrot punditji

who welcomes me with a smile and is right next to the chaat-house

(actually a thella) where Purushottam ji made the mirchi pakoraas

(mmmm ... 40 years later -- the images still make my mouth water!).

 

 

 

Nostalgia is always sweeter than direct experience

Memories = merely personalized experiences softened by distance and

time

Clouds often form beautiful shapes and designs

Such that Shamans begin to see real probabilities of futures in those

But like the clouds, and the imageries they form,

Reality too may reshape itself ...

And if it does not, our perception of IT shall!!

 

<reposted after two months so I guess I will not be spanked by some

self-appointed watchman of the terrain!>

, rishi shukla

<rishi_2000in wrote:

>

> It is your data which is being sought by Kumarji!

> (jest)

> rishi

>

> --- Rohiniranjan <jyotish_vani wrote:

>

> > Dear Kumar ji,

> >

> > I hear you!

> >

> > What makes you believe that some of the data already

> > floated around

> > on internet is real?

> >

> > I am offering individuals an alternative, those who

> > do not feel

> > comfortable about full and mindless disclosure,

> > particularly of data

> > that may have acquired from commercial databases.

> > Challenging those

> > individuals may not be the best way to make them

> > cough up such data!

> >

> > As for birthdata not available readily or at all,

> > for a variety of

> > reasons -- there is always prashna and KP system ;-)

> >

> > RR

> >

> >

> > , Prashant

> > Kumar G B

> > <gbp_kumar@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear RRji

> > > i had said members post charts with detaisl and

> > not chart data to

> > keep privacy in mind

> > > and this way avoid any usless activity

> > >

> > > I had said as always we can give birth data as we

> > can't say the

> > data we r ginvg is known to all of other members who

> > x,y, z. It is

> > impossible for anyone to say for sure we have

> > breached any clients

> > privacy as we have so many births every day in any

> > part of the world

> > and in any hospital same time too there are births

> > taking place no

> > loss of trust is implied if we post data without any

> > address, tel no

> > work place info which none will do anyway.

> > >

> > > for that matter we dont know ur birthdta as yet

> > can guess from ur

> > postings may be born around 1946-49 range max.

> > [jest].

> > >

> > > so we can post Latd long for places with time

> > zones avoid place

> > names DOB, POB, soe events in life of a case

> > tostudy, cite etc.

> > > and still be doing a good job in astrology and

> > also client privacy.

> > >

> > >

> > > Rohiniranjan <jyotish_vani@>

> > wrote: I am not

> > sure if I understand

> > the meaning or intent of your posted

> > > message fully, Kumarji

> > >

> > > <sigh>

> > >

> > > RR

> > >

> > > , Prashant

> > Kumar G B

> > > <gbp_kumar@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear RRji

> > > >

> > > > I have preferred to post birth data wherever

> > possible and HAVE

> > > NEVER given any ones names so it must be the

> > right way forward, as

> > no

> > > one else knows anyone here and in a country like

> > ours where there

> > isa

> > > birth every 12 seconds or so why must anyone feel

> > we r letting

> > them

> > > down, we are not giving any contact info of them

> > max some brief

> > info

> > > on them can be anyone.

> > > >

> > > > we have to do it to share knowledge, know how

> > as well and

> > anything

> > > else sure falls Short, and where ever possible we

> > can quote share

> > > some classical ref or modern works related info

> > on any topic/s. as

> > > there are many ways to reach a destination so it

> > is in reading,

> > > predicting a charts course. we can try as many as

> > possible and

> > sure

> > > we must keep away from unknown Aynamsas for the

> > sake of doctoring

> > > events and Link to ayanamsa.

> > > >

> > > > and sure ur experience u can share most topics

> > with a few charts

> > > and lead the way.

> > > >

> > > > Prashant

> > > > Rohiniranjan <jyotish_vani@>

> > > wrote: ... Fed

> > up with the

> > fighting

> > > and other distractive activities!

> > > > I find that there is quite a bit of distrust

> > and defensiveness

> > > that

> > > > comes to the fore on jyotish forums and other

> > than the over-

> > eager

> > > > reading seekers (not a criticism -- please

> > don't react

> > violently!)

> > > I

> > > > find that we often not share a lot of charts

> > and birthdata.

> > There

> > > is

> > > > understandably some ownership/territorial

> > issues there and

> > > sometimes

> > > > copyright issues get in the way. I have no

> > solution for the

> > > latter,

> > > > but given the premise that if we post the

> > rashi positions of

> > > > illustrative cases, one would then be able to

> > get the:

> > > > Rashi

> > > > Padas

> > > > If possible indicate the charakarakattwa

> > > > Ashtavarga

> > > >

> > > > Surely that is a powerful package and enough

> > information to

> > > > meaningfully discuss jyotish? Yes the purists

> > will mumble and

> > > grumble

> > > > that the vargas and nakshatras are not there

> > and the dashas etc

> > > too.

> > > >

> > > > One caveat and request though for those who

> > wish to follow this

> > > > suggestion of mine:

> > > >

> > > > Please do not include charts where a planet is

> > within the first

> > or

> > > > last 2-3 degrees of a sign. The reason is

> > obvious. We do not

> > want

> > > > people who use other ayanamshas (not the

> > extreme ayanamshas!)

> > than

> > > > what we do (Raman/Lahiri and close ones) to go

> > off on a wild

> > goose

> > > > chase by their standards.

> > > >

> > > > And if possible, let us drop this gyani,

> > expert, teacher

> > > perspective

> > > > that some of us come down at others with. If

> > we were any of

> > those,

> > > we

> > > > would not have to constantly justify and

> > explain and indicate

> > that

> > > we

> > > > are so!

> > > >

> > > > Let us just express our souls, our hearts, our

> > learnings and

> > let

> > > the

> > > > others figure out what our worth is.

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