Guest guest Posted November 28, 2006 Report Share Posted November 28, 2006 Dear RR, thi sis the most pathetic, perverted peice, Prof Yashpal from Indian scientific community may love this as it add to our scientists fake scientific ediface, bringing this in here is even worse I can paste a page from Indian history to counter this READIG FACES IN THE CLOUD' well any science needs its own scale/instruments to measure can u measure Earth quakes in meter, inches or liters? Now the page from History [PL SHOW ME THE CLOUDS IN THIS PAGE] from CURZON TO NEHRU. by Durga das published in 1969 - CHAPTER 20 ENTER THE SOOTHSAYER The community of Astrologers did not merely influence the hour when the independence of India should dawn. It shadowed most men in the top echelons-and continues to do so. In some cases, as the “Royal Astrologer” as they used to be called, became all powerful I found Satya Narayan Sinha, for several years the parliamentary affairs now Minister for Information and broadcasting a delightful storehouse of anecdotes in such matters, one who has a parliamentary record longer than most active Indian politicians. Sinha is a gay, debonair soul, with a passion for Hindi literature, a belief in estoric lore like astrology Of the Nehru anecdotes Sinha recounted for me, Many refer to his closing years. Sinha told me how he himself came to acquire faith in astrology. A certain reader of horoscopes, derisively known as the patriwala, had forcast Patil’s death nine months before it happened. The Sardar himself was skeptical, and one night in his accustomed telephone conservation with Sinha on parliamentary matters chaffed into asking: “ What does your patriwala say?” The seer, however, proved right to the exact day we were all completely taken aback, said Sinha to me. When TTK seemed to be in the peak of his power in 1958, came another pundit to assert that he was heading for a fall. Sinha ridiculed him saying. “ You are talking through your turben”. But the undaunted man made still another dire prophecy. On the very day Krishnamachari quits the government, the Maulana Azad will have a fall in his bathroom and die four days later.” When Azad met with an accident B.C. Ray was summoned from Calcutta. His verdict was there was no cause for anxiety. Sinha met Nehru in the lobby of parliament and told him of the predictions Nehru exploded angrily: “What rot are you talking Bidhan (Dr. B.C. ROY) is certain that Azad is in no danger.”. Four days later the education minister passed away. Sinha recalled how shaken Nehru was after this. Nehru’s first illness was in March 1962, when he returned to Delhi from Poona running a high temperature. His doctors thought it was merely the aftermath of a exhausting election campaign, but it turned out to be a grave ailment which confined him to the bed for more than a month and which compelled him from keeping away from the Congress Parliamentary Party at which he was re-elected its leader. To Sinha’s first suggestion that his horoscope be shown to a Jyotishi (astrologer) Nehru turned a dear ear. Gulzari Lal Nanda, the planning minister, prevailed upon him, however, to relent. There was an explosion when the man well known in Delhi told Nehru That he would be betrayed by his “best friend” and he would have to face an attack from China that very year. Nehru flared up and shouted. “This can never happen. You are talking bilge” The jyotshi folded the horoscope, handed it back and retreated. Not many weeks after the Chinese launched their aggression Nehru was in a mood to listen to the astrologer. But the pundits words were hardly comforting. Nehur’s lifespan was over, he pronounced. Only Puja (ritual worship) could prolong it.What followed was shrouded in utmost secrecy Fifty learned pundits were engaged by his admirers to perform the prescribed rites at a temple in Kalkaji, a suberb of Delhi. At the end of the daily ceremonies the pundits repaired to the Prime Minster’s residence, to place an auspicious tilak mark on his forehead. The astrologer had predicted that Nehru will have a second and more serious illness in January 1964 and that he would not surive beyond May 27th. Sinha tried without success to dissuade Nehru from attending the Bubaneshwar session of the Congress Nehru left Delhi on the 4th Jan and became very ill two or three days later He never recovered fully from the stroke he suffered this time At the A.I.C.C Session on 1tth May, Sinha warned some of his cabinet colleagues that Nehru was likely to die in about ten days as a Jyotishi from Bombay had predicted. Nehru passed away on 27th May. A high official close to Nehru, revealed to me later something that lent weight to Sinha’s story of Nehru’s gradual drift to queer beliefs. For instance, he considered Ayurvedha the ancient Hindu system of therapy, unscientific, but yielded in his last days to the ministrations of one of its noted practitioners. It is a peculiar Oriental trait, that this faith in soothsayers. Nehru the iconoclast fell prey to in his last years. AyubKhan the fallen dictator of Pakistan consulted crystal gazers, Firoz Khan Noon, when he was Governer of East Pakistan told me all that a Brahmin had forecast about his political career had come true. Sir Chimmanlal Setalvad, a modern man and a leading lawyer if Bombay in the twenties and thirties Sampurnand who rose to become Chief Minister of U.P and later Governor of Rajasthan practiced astrology as a hobby. This chapter is quoted faithfully. As it exists in Pages 374, 375 and 376. from the book Titled From Curzon to Nehru And After. By Durga Das. Collins Publications, London 1969 For people who do not know the characters in this. -Jawharlal Nehru India’s first Prime Minister, due to his aristocratic upbringing and education in Oxford and Cambridge, had little knowledge, roots of Indian culture except parroted what the British left for behind in his works Above all was scared of hurting his vote banks the Muslim populace If he was seen as leaning towards Hindu culture’s thoughts, values etc. Became India’s PM due to Mahatma Gandiji’s blessings, he hardly agreed to Gandhi in his lifetime .But somehow went along with him as a reluctant but strong participant. - Sardar Patel was the Deputy Prime Minster of Free India, he brought in many undecided states into the union. Free India owes its shape to him. - Dr. B C Ray was chief minister of West Bengal then. - T T Krishnamachari (TTK) as the finance minister then. A major industrialist from the South. - Moulana Azad was the education minister. G B Prashant Kumar Rohiniranjan <rohini_ranjan (AT) hotmail (DOT) com> vedic astrology Tuesday, November 28, 2006 1:36:08 AM [vedic astrology] interesting paper on astrology http://rudolfhsmit. nl/d-effe2. htm Everyone is raving about the all-new Mail beta. http://new.mail. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 28, 2006 Report Share Posted November 28, 2006 Sear shubh Vela, Assuming that you are responding to the link pasted earlier, please write to the author and discuss with him. I dont see anything perverted or pathetic in the article I gave a link to. But you can have your say with him. thanks RR vedic astrology, Me Shubha Vela <pkgoteti wrote: > > Dear RR, > thi sis the most pathetic, perverted peice, Prof Yashpal from Indian scientific community may love this as it add to our scientists fake scientific ediface, bringing this in here is even worse > > I can paste a page from Indian history to counter this READIG FACES IN THE CLOUD' well any science needs its own scale/instruments to measure can u measure Earth quakes in meter, inches or liters? > > > Now the page from History [PL SHOW ME THE CLOUDS IN THIS PAGE] > > > from CURZON TO NEHRU. > by Durga das published in 1969 > > - > > CHAPTER 20 > ENTER THE SOOTHSAYER > The community of Astrologers did not merely influence the hour when the independence of India should dawn. It shadowed most men in the top echelons-and continues to do so. In some cases, as the "Royal Astrologer" as they used to be called, became all powerful I found Satya Narayan Sinha, for several years the parliamentary affairs now Minister for Information and broadcasting a delightful storehouse of anecdotes in such matters, one who has a parliamentary record longer than most active Indian politicians. Sinha is a gay, debonair soul, with a passion for Hindi literature, a belief in estoric lore like astrology Of the Nehru anecdotes Sinha recounted for me, Many refer to his closing years. > Sinha told me how he himself came to acquire faith in astrology. A certain reader of horoscopes, derisively known as the patriwala, had forcast Patil's death nine months before it happened. The Sardar himself was skeptical, and one night in his accustomed telephone conservation with Sinha on parliamentary matters chaffed into asking: " What does your patriwala say?" The seer, however, proved right to the exact day we were all completely taken aback, said Sinha to me. > When TTK seemed to be in the peak of his power in 1958, came another pundit to assert that he was heading for a fall. Sinha ridiculed him saying. " You are talking through your turben". But the undaunted man made still another dire prophecy. On the very day Krishnamachari quits the government, the Maulana Azad will have a fall in his bathroom and die four days later." > When Azad met with an accident B.C. Ray was summoned from Calcutta. His verdict was there was no cause for anxiety. Sinha met Nehru in the lobby of parliament and told him of the predictions Nehru exploded angrily: "What rot are you talking Bidhan (Dr. B.C. ROY) is certain that Azad is in no danger.". Four days later the education minister passed away. Sinha recalled how shaken Nehru was after this. > Nehru's first illness was in March 1962, when he returned to Delhi from Poona running a high temperature. His doctors thought it was merely the aftermath of a exhausting election campaign, but it turned out to be a grave ailment which confined him to the bed for more than a month and which compelled him from keeping away from the Congress Parliamentary Party at which he was re-elected its leader. > To Sinha's first suggestion that his horoscope be shown to a Jyotishi (astrologer) Nehru turned a dear ear. Gulzari Lal Nanda, the planning minister, prevailed upon him, however, to relent. There was an explosion when the man well known in Delhi told Nehru That he would be betrayed by his "best friend" and he would have to face an attack from China that very year. Nehru flared up and shouted. "This can never happen. You are talking bilge" The jyotshi folded the horoscope, handed it back and retreated. > Not many weeks after the Chinese launched their aggression Nehru was in a mood to listen to the astrologer. But the pundits words were hardly comforting. Nehur's lifespan was over, he pronounced. Only Puja (ritual worship) could prolong it.What followed was shrouded in utmost secrecy Fifty learned pundits were engaged by his admirers to perform the prescribed rites at a temple in Kalkaji, a suberb of Delhi. At the end of the daily ceremonies the pundits repaired to the Prime Minster's residence, to place an auspicious tilak mark on his forehead. > The astrologer had predicted that Nehru will have a second and more serious illness in January 1964 and that he would not surive beyond May 27th. Sinha tried without success to dissuade Nehru from attending the Bubaneshwar session of the Congress Nehru left Delhi on the 4th Jan and became very ill two or three days later He never recovered fully from the stroke he suffered this time At the A.I.C.C Session on 1tth May, Sinha warned some of his cabinet colleagues that Nehru was likely to die in about ten days as a Jyotishi from Bombay had predicted. Nehru passed away on 27th May. > A high official close to Nehru, revealed to me later something that lent weight to Sinha's story of Nehru's gradual drift to queer beliefs. For instance, he considered Ayurvedha the ancient Hindu system of therapy, unscientific, but yielded in his last days to the ministrations of one of its noted practitioners. > It is a peculiar Oriental trait, that this faith in soothsayers. Nehru the iconoclast fell prey to in his last years. AyubKhan the fallen dictator of Pakistan consulted crystal gazers, Firoz Khan Noon, when he was Governer of East Pakistan told me all that a Brahmin had forecast about his political career had come true. Sir Chimmanlal Setalvad, a modern man and a leading lawyer if Bombay in the twenties and thirties Sampurnand who rose to become Chief Minister of U.P and later Governor of Rajasthan practiced astrology as a hobby. > This chapter is quoted faithfully. As it exists in Pages 374, 375 and 376. > from the book Titled From Curzon to Nehru And After. > By Durga Das. > Collins Publications, London 1969 > For people who do not know the characters in this. > -Jawharlal Nehru India's first Prime Minister, due to his aristocratic upbringing and education in Oxford and Cambridge, had little knowledge, roots of Indian culture except parroted what the British left for behind in his works Above all was scared of hurting his vote banks the Muslim populace If he was seen as leaning towards Hindu culture's thoughts, values etc. Became India's PM due to Mahatma Gandiji's blessings, he hardly agreed to Gandhi in his lifetime .But somehow went along with him as a reluctant but strong participant. > - Sardar Patel was the Deputy Prime Minster of Free India, he brought in many undecided states into the union. Free India owes its shape to him. > - Dr. B C Ray was chief minister of West Bengal then. > - T T Krishnamachari (TTK) as the finance minister then. A major industrialist from the South. > - Moulana Azad was the education minister. > > > G B Prashant Kumar > > > > > > > Rohiniranjan <rohini_ranjan > vedic astrology > Tuesday, November 28, 2006 1:36:08 AM > [vedic astrology] interesting paper on astrology > > http://rudolfhsmit. nl/d-effe2. htm > > > > > > > ____________________ ______________ > > Everyone is raving about the all-new Mail beta. > http://new.mail. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 29, 2006 Report Share Posted November 29, 2006 Deare RR sure if I read it in the link direct would have pasted it, as u broght it here only did comment on its inclusion here nothing else. it is like a Medical journal discussing peotry Rohiniranjan <rohini_ranjan (AT) hotmail (DOT) com> vedic astrology Wednesday, November 29, 2006 4:55:32 AM [vedic astrology] Re: interesting paper on astrology 28/11 Sear shubh Vela, Assuming that you are responding to the link pasted earlier, please write to the author and discuss with him. I dont see anything perverted or pathetic in the article I gave a link to. But you can have your say with him. thanks RR vedic astrology, Me Shubha Vela <pkgoteti@.. .> wrote: > > Dear RR, > thi sis the most pathetic, perverted peice, Prof Yashpal from Indian scientific community may love this as it add to our scientists fake scientific ediface, bringing this in here is even worse > > I can paste a page from Indian history to counter this READIG FACES IN THE CLOUD' well any science needs its own scale/instruments to measure can u measure Earth quakes in meter, inches or liters? > > > Now the page from History [PL SHOW ME THE CLOUDS IN THIS PAGE] > > > from CURZON TO NEHRU. > by Durga das published in 1969 > > ------------ --------- --------- ---- > > CHAPTER 20 > ENTER THE SOOTHSAYER > The community of Astrologers did not merely influence the hour when the independence of India should dawn. It shadowed most men in the top echelons-and continues to do so. In some cases, as the "Royal Astrologer" as they used to be called, became all powerful I found Satya Narayan Sinha, for several years the parliamentary affairs now Minister for Information and broadcasting a delightful storehouse of anecdotes in such matters, one who has a parliamentary record longer than most active Indian politicians. Sinha is a gay, debonair soul, with a passion for Hindi literature, a belief in estoric lore like astrology Of the Nehru anecdotes Sinha recounted for me, Many refer to his closing years. > Sinha told me how he himself came to acquire faith in astrology. A certain reader of horoscopes, derisively known as the patriwala, had forcast Patil's death nine months before it happened. The Sardar himself was skeptical, and one night in his accustomed telephone conservation with Sinha on parliamentary matters chaffed into asking: " What does your patriwala say?" The seer, however, proved right to the exact day we were all completely taken aback, said Sinha to me. > When TTK seemed to be in the peak of his power in 1958, came another pundit to assert that he was heading for a fall. Sinha ridiculed him saying. " You are talking through your turben". But the undaunted man made still another dire prophecy. On the very day Krishnamachari quits the government, the Maulana Azad will have a fall in his bathroom and die four days later." > When Azad met with an accident B.C. Ray was summoned from Calcutta. His verdict was there was no cause for anxiety. Sinha met Nehru in the lobby of parliament and told him of the predictions Nehru exploded angrily: "What rot are you talking Bidhan (Dr. B.C. ROY) is certain that Azad is in no danger.". Four days later the education minister passed away. Sinha recalled how shaken Nehru was after this. > Nehru's first illness was in March 1962, when he returned to Delhi from Poona running a high temperature. His doctors thought it was merely the aftermath of a exhausting election campaign, but it turned out to be a grave ailment which confined him to the bed for more than a month and which compelled him from keeping away from the Congress Parliamentary Party at which he was re-elected its leader. > To Sinha's first suggestion that his horoscope be shown to a Jyotishi (astrologer) Nehru turned a dear ear. Gulzari Lal Nanda, the planning minister, prevailed upon him, however, to relent. There was an explosion when the man well known in Delhi told Nehru That he would be betrayed by his "best friend" and he would have to face an attack from China that very year. Nehru flared up and shouted. "This can never happen. You are talking bilge" The jyotshi folded the horoscope, handed it back and retreated. > Not many weeks after the Chinese launched their aggression Nehru was in a mood to listen to the astrologer. But the pundits words were hardly comforting. Nehur's lifespan was over, he pronounced. Only Puja (ritual worship) could prolong it.What followed was shrouded in utmost secrecy Fifty learned pundits were engaged by his admirers to perform the prescribed rites at a temple in Kalkaji, a suberb of Delhi. At the end of the daily ceremonies the pundits repaired to the Prime Minster's residence, to place an auspicious tilak mark on his forehead. > The astrologer had predicted that Nehru will have a second and more serious illness in January 1964 and that he would not surive beyond May 27th. Sinha tried without success to dissuade Nehru from attending the Bubaneshwar session of the Congress Nehru left Delhi on the 4th Jan and became very ill two or three days later He never recovered fully from the stroke he suffered this time At the A.I.C.C Session on 1tth May, Sinha warned some of his cabinet colleagues that Nehru was likely to die in about ten days as a Jyotishi from Bombay had predicted. Nehru passed away on 27th May. > A high official close to Nehru, revealed to me later something that lent weight to Sinha's story of Nehru's gradual drift to queer beliefs. For instance, he considered Ayurvedha the ancient Hindu system of therapy, unscientific, but yielded in his last days to the ministrations of one of its noted practitioners. > It is a peculiar Oriental trait, that this faith in soothsayers. Nehru the iconoclast fell prey to in his last years. AyubKhan the fallen dictator of Pakistan consulted crystal gazers, Firoz Khan Noon, when he was Governer of East Pakistan told me all that a Brahmin had forecast about his political career had come true. Sir Chimmanlal Setalvad, a modern man and a leading lawyer if Bombay in the twenties and thirties Sampurnand who rose to become Chief Minister of U.P and later Governor of Rajasthan practiced astrology as a hobby. > This chapter is quoted faithfully. As it exists in Pages 374, 375 and 376. > from the book Titled From Curzon to Nehru And After. > By Durga Das. > Collins Publications, London 1969 > For people who do not know the characters in this. > -Jawharlal Nehru India's first Prime Minister, due to his aristocratic upbringing and education in Oxford and Cambridge, had little knowledge, roots of Indian culture except parroted what the British left for behind in his works Above all was scared of hurting his vote banks the Muslim populace If he was seen as leaning towards Hindu culture's thoughts, values etc. Became India's PM due to Mahatma Gandiji's blessings, he hardly agreed to Gandhi in his lifetime .But somehow went along with him as a reluctant but strong participant. > - Sardar Patel was the Deputy Prime Minster of Free India, he brought in many undecided states into the union. Free India owes its shape to him. > - Dr. B C Ray was chief minister of West Bengal then. > - T T Krishnamachari (TTK) as the finance minister then. A major industrialist from the South. > - Moulana Azad was the education minister. > > > G B Prashant Kumar > > > > > > > Rohiniranjan <rohini_ranjan@ ...> > vedic astrology > Tuesday, November 28, 2006 1:36:08 AM > [vedic astrology] interesting paper on astrology > > http://rudolfhsmit. nl/d-effe2. htm > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _ ____________ __ > > Everyone is raving about the all-new Mail beta. > http://new.mail. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 30, 2006 Report Share Posted November 30, 2006 You will be surprised that some scientific journals such as Lancet, a well known medical journal publishes poetry, even those written by doctors. The boundaries are for us to create but they should not become walls that close us from reality -- not the one that we see projected on our walls but that which lies outside the walls <guffaw> RR vedic astrology, Me Shubha Vela <pkgoteti wrote: > > Deare RR > sure if I read it in the link direct would have pasted it, as u broght it here only did comment on its inclusion here nothing else. it is like a Medical journal discussing peotry > > > > Rohiniranjan <rohini_ranjan > vedic astrology > Wednesday, November 29, 2006 4:55:32 AM > [vedic astrology] Re: interesting paper on astrology 28/11 > > Sear shubh Vela, > > Assuming that you are responding to the link pasted earlier, please > write to the author and discuss with him. > > I dont see anything perverted or pathetic in the article I gave a > link to. > > But you can have your say with him. > > thanks > > RR > > vedic astrology, Me Shubha Vela <pkgoteti@ .> > wrote: > > > > Dear RR, > > thi sis the most pathetic, perverted peice, Prof Yashpal from > Indian scientific community may love this as it add to our scientists > fake scientific ediface, bringing this in here is even worse > > > > I can paste a page from Indian history to counter this READIG FACES > IN THE CLOUD' well any science needs its own scale/instruments to > measure can u measure Earth quakes in meter, inches or liters? > > > > > > Now the page from History [PL SHOW ME THE CLOUDS IN THIS PAGE] > > > > > > from CURZON TO NEHRU. > > by Durga das published in 1969 > > > > ------------ --------- --------- ---- > > > > CHAPTER 20 > > ENTER THE SOOTHSAYER > > The community of Astrologers did not merely influence the hour when > the independence of India should dawn. It shadowed most men in the > top echelons-and continues to do so. In some cases, as the "Royal > Astrologer" as they used to be called, became all powerful I found > Satya Narayan Sinha, for several years the parliamentary affairs now > Minister for Information and broadcasting a delightful storehouse of > anecdotes in such matters, one who has a parliamentary record longer > than most active Indian politicians. Sinha is a gay, debonair soul, > with a passion for Hindi literature, a belief in estoric lore like > astrology Of the Nehru anecdotes Sinha recounted for me, Many refer > to his closing years. > > Sinha told me how he himself came to acquire faith in astrology. A > certain reader of horoscopes, derisively known as the patriwala, had > forcast Patil's death nine months before it happened. The Sardar > himself was skeptical, and one night in his accustomed telephone > conservation with Sinha on parliamentary matters chaffed into > asking: " What does your patriwala say?" The seer, however, proved > right to the exact day we were all completely taken aback, said Sinha > to me. > > When TTK seemed to be in the peak of his power in 1958, came > another pundit to assert that he was heading for a fall. Sinha > ridiculed him saying. " You are talking through your turben". But the > undaunted man made still another dire prophecy. On the very day > Krishnamachari quits the government, the Maulana Azad will have a > fall in his bathroom and die four days later." > > When Azad met with an accident B.C. Ray was summoned from Calcutta. > His verdict was there was no cause for anxiety. Sinha met Nehru in > the lobby of parliament and told him of the predictions Nehru > exploded angrily: "What rot are you talking Bidhan (Dr. B.C. ROY) is > certain that Azad is in no danger.". Four days later the education > minister passed away. Sinha recalled how shaken Nehru was after this. > > Nehru's first illness was in March 1962, when he returned to Delhi > from Poona running a high temperature. His doctors thought it was > merely the aftermath of a exhausting election campaign, but it turned > out to be a grave ailment which confined him to the bed for more than > a month and which compelled him from keeping away from the Congress > Parliamentary Party at which he was re-elected its leader. > > To Sinha's first suggestion that his horoscope be shown to a > Jyotishi (astrologer) Nehru turned a dear ear. Gulzari Lal Nanda, > the planning minister, prevailed upon him, however, to relent. There > was an explosion when the man well known in Delhi told Nehru That he > would be betrayed by his "best friend" and he would have to face an > attack from China that very year. Nehru flared up and shouted. "This > can never happen. You are talking bilge" The jyotshi folded the > horoscope, handed it back and retreated. > > Not many weeks after the Chinese launched their aggression Nehru > was in a mood to listen to the astrologer. But the pundits words > were hardly comforting. Nehur's lifespan was over, he pronounced. > Only Puja (ritual worship) could prolong it.What followed was > shrouded in utmost secrecy Fifty learned pundits were engaged by his > admirers to perform the prescribed rites at a temple in Kalkaji, a > suberb of Delhi. At the end of the daily ceremonies the pundits > repaired to the Prime Minster's residence, to place an auspicious > tilak mark on his forehead. > > The astrologer had predicted that Nehru will have a second and more > serious illness in January 1964 and that he would not surive beyond > May 27th. Sinha tried without success to dissuade Nehru from > attending the Bubaneshwar session of the Congress Nehru left Delhi > on the 4th Jan and became very ill two or three days later He never > recovered fully from the stroke he suffered this time At the A.I.C.C > Session on 1tth May, Sinha warned some of his cabinet colleagues that > Nehru was likely to die in about ten days as a Jyotishi from Bombay > had predicted. Nehru passed away on 27th May. > > A high official close to Nehru, revealed to me later something that > lent weight to Sinha's story of Nehru's gradual drift to queer > beliefs. For instance, he considered Ayurvedha the ancient Hindu > system of therapy, unscientific, but yielded in his last days to the > ministrations of one of its noted practitioners. > > It is a peculiar Oriental trait, that this faith in soothsayers. > Nehru the iconoclast fell prey to in his last years. AyubKhan the > fallen dictator of Pakistan consulted crystal gazers, Firoz Khan > Noon, when he was Governer of East Pakistan told me all that a > Brahmin had forecast about his political career had come true. Sir > Chimmanlal Setalvad, a modern man and a leading lawyer if Bombay in > the twenties and thirties Sampurnand who rose to become Chief > Minister of U.P and later Governor of Rajasthan practiced astrology > as a hobby. > > This chapter is quoted faithfully. As it exists in Pages 374, 375 > and 376. > > from the book Titled From Curzon to Nehru And After. > > By Durga Das. > > Collins Publications, London 1969 > > For people who do not know the characters in this. > > -Jawharlal Nehru India's first Prime Minister, due to his > aristocratic upbringing and education in Oxford and Cambridge, had > little knowledge, roots of Indian culture except parroted what the > British left for behind in his works Above all was scared of hurting > his vote banks the Muslim populace If he was seen as leaning towards > Hindu culture's thoughts, values etc. Became India's PM due to > Mahatma Gandiji's blessings, he hardly agreed to Gandhi in his > lifetime .But somehow went along with him as a reluctant but strong > participant. > > - Sardar Patel was the Deputy Prime Minster of Free India, he > brought in many undecided states into the union. Free India owes its > shape to him. > > - Dr. B C Ray was chief minister of West Bengal then. > > - T T Krishnamachari (TTK) as the finance minister then. A > major industrialist from the South. > > - Moulana Azad was the education minister. > > > > > > G B Prashant Kumar > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rohiniranjan <rohini_ranjan@ ...> > > vedic astrology > > Tuesday, November 28, 2006 1:36:08 AM > > [vedic astrology] interesting paper on astrology > > > > http://rudolfhsmit. nl/d-effe2. htm > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _ > ____________ __ > > > > Everyone is raving about the all-new Mail beta. > > http://new.mail. > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 30, 2006 Report Share Posted November 30, 2006 Dear RR i guess u got it mxed up again ur own words say publishes not discusses poetry , my point was discussing, I know they do and no problemas each person has some artist in him that needs expression, expresion has to be seen. but here is is just on discussion NT publising. G B Prashant Kumar Rohiniranjan <rohini_ranjan (AT) hotmail (DOT) com> vedic astrology Thursday, November 30, 2006 6:35:14 AM [vedic astrology] Re: interesting paper on astrology 28/11 You will be surprised that some scientific journals such as Lancet, a well known medical journal publishes poetry, even those written by doctors. The boundaries are for us to create but they should not become walls that close us from reality -- not the one that we see projected on our walls but that which lies outside the walls <guffaw> RR vedic astrology, Me Shubha Vela <pkgoteti@.. .> wrote: > > Deare RR > sure if I read it in the link direct would have pasted it, as u broght it here only did comment on its inclusion here nothing else. it is like a Medical journal discussing peotry > > > > Rohiniranjan <rohini_ranjan@ ...> > vedic astrology > Wednesday, November 29, 2006 4:55:32 AM > [vedic astrology] Re: interesting paper on astrology 28/11 > > Sear shubh Vela, > > Assuming that you are responding to the link pasted earlier, please > write to the author and discuss with him. > > I dont see anything perverted or pathetic in the article I gave a > link to. > > But you can have your say with him. > > thanks > > RR > > vedic astrology, Me Shubha Vela <pkgoteti@ .> > wrote: > > > > Dear RR, > > thi sis the most pathetic, perverted peice, Prof Yashpal from > Indian scientific community may love this as it add to our scientists > fake scientific ediface, bringing this in here is even worse > > > > I can paste a page from Indian history to counter this READIG FACES > IN THE CLOUD' well any science needs its own scale/instruments to > measure can u measure Earth quakes in meter, inches or liters? > > > > > > Now the page from History [PL SHOW ME THE CLOUDS IN THIS PAGE] > > > > > > from CURZON TO NEHRU. > > by Durga das published in 1969 > > > > ------------ --------- --------- ---- > > > > CHAPTER 20 > > ENTER THE SOOTHSAYER > > The community of Astrologers did not merely influence the hour when > the independence of India should dawn. It shadowed most men in the > top echelons-and continues to do so. In some cases, as the "Royal > Astrologer" as they used to be called, became all powerful I found > Satya Narayan Sinha, for several years the parliamentary affairs now > Minister for Information and broadcasting a delightful storehouse of > anecdotes in such matters, one who has a parliamentary record longer > than most active Indian politicians. Sinha is a gay, debonair soul, > with a passion for Hindi literature, a belief in estoric lore like > astrology Of the Nehru anecdotes Sinha recounted for me, Many refer > to his closing years. > > Sinha told me how he himself came to acquire faith in astrology. A > certain reader of horoscopes, derisively known as the patriwala, had > forcast Patil's death nine months before it happened. The Sardar > himself was skeptical, and one night in his accustomed telephone > conservation with Sinha on parliamentary matters chaffed into > asking: " What does your patriwala say?" The seer, however, proved > right to the exact day we were all completely taken aback, said Sinha > to me. > > When TTK seemed to be in the peak of his power in 1958, came > another pundit to assert that he was heading for a fall. Sinha > ridiculed him saying. " You are talking through your turben". But the > undaunted man made still another dire prophecy. On the very day > Krishnamachari quits the government, the Maulana Azad will have a > fall in his bathroom and die four days later." > > When Azad met with an accident B.C. Ray was summoned from Calcutta. > His verdict was there was no cause for anxiety. Sinha met Nehru in > the lobby of parliament and told him of the predictions Nehru > exploded angrily: "What rot are you talking Bidhan (Dr. B.C. ROY) is > certain that Azad is in no danger.". Four days later the education > minister passed away. Sinha recalled how shaken Nehru was after this. > > Nehru's first illness was in March 1962, when he returned to Delhi > from Poona running a high temperature. His doctors thought it was > merely the aftermath of a exhausting election campaign, but it turned > out to be a grave ailment which confined him to the bed for more than > a month and which compelled him from keeping away from the Congress > Parliamentary Party at which he was re-elected its leader. > > To Sinha's first suggestion that his horoscope be shown to a > Jyotishi (astrologer) Nehru turned a dear ear. Gulzari Lal Nanda, > the planning minister, prevailed upon him, however, to relent. There > was an explosion when the man well known in Delhi told Nehru That he > would be betrayed by his "best friend" and he would have to face an > attack from China that very year. Nehru flared up and shouted. "This > can never happen. You are talking bilge" The jyotshi folded the > horoscope, handed it back and retreated. > > Not many weeks after the Chinese launched their aggression Nehru > was in a mood to listen to the astrologer. But the pundits words > were hardly comforting. Nehur's lifespan was over, he pronounced. > Only Puja (ritual worship) could prolong it.What followed was > shrouded in utmost secrecy Fifty learned pundits were engaged by his > admirers to perform the prescribed rites at a temple in Kalkaji, a > suberb of Delhi. At the end of the daily ceremonies the pundits > repaired to the Prime Minster's residence, to place an auspicious > tilak mark on his forehead. > > The astrologer had predicted that Nehru will have a second and more > serious illness in January 1964 and that he would not surive beyond > May 27th. Sinha tried without success to dissuade Nehru from > attending the Bubaneshwar session of the Congress Nehru left Delhi > on the 4th Jan and became very ill two or three days later He never > recovered fully from the stroke he suffered this time At the A.I.C.C > Session on 1tth May, Sinha warned some of his cabinet colleagues that > Nehru was likely to die in about ten days as a Jyotishi from Bombay > had predicted. Nehru passed away on 27th May. > > A high official close to Nehru, revealed to me later something that > lent weight to Sinha's story of Nehru's gradual drift to queer > beliefs. For instance, he considered Ayurvedha the ancient Hindu > system of therapy, unscientific, but yielded in his last days to the > ministrations of one of its noted practitioners. > > It is a peculiar Oriental trait, that this faith in soothsayers. > Nehru the iconoclast fell prey to in his last years. AyubKhan the > fallen dictator of Pakistan consulted crystal gazers, Firoz Khan > Noon, when he was Governer of East Pakistan told me all that a > Brahmin had forecast about his political career had come true. Sir > Chimmanlal Setalvad, a modern man and a leading lawyer if Bombay in > the twenties and thirties Sampurnand who rose to become Chief > Minister of U.P and later Governor of Rajasthan practiced astrology > as a hobby. > > This chapter is quoted faithfully. As it exists in Pages 374, 375 > and 376. > > from the book Titled From Curzon to Nehru And After. > > By Durga Das. > > Collins Publications, London 1969 > > For people who do not know the characters in this. > > -Jawharlal Nehru India's first Prime Minister, due to his > aristocratic upbringing and education in Oxford and Cambridge, had > little knowledge, roots of Indian culture except parroted what the > British left for behind in his works Above all was scared of hurting > his vote banks the Muslim populace If he was seen as leaning towards > Hindu culture's thoughts, values etc. Became India's PM due to > Mahatma Gandiji's blessings, he hardly agreed to Gandhi in his > lifetime .But somehow went along with him as a reluctant but strong > participant. > > - Sardar Patel was the Deputy Prime Minster of Free India, he > brought in many undecided states into the union. Free India owes its > shape to him. > > - Dr. B C Ray was chief minister of West Bengal then. > > - T T Krishnamachari (TTK) as the finance minister then. A > major industrialist from the South. > > - Moulana Azad was the education minister. > > > > > > G B Prashant Kumar > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rohiniranjan <rohini_ranjan@ ...> > > vedic astrology > > Tuesday, November 28, 2006 1:36:08 AM > > [vedic astrology] interesting paper on astrology > > > > http://rudolfhsmit. nl/d-effe2. htm > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _ > ____________ __ > > > > Everyone is raving about the all-new Mail beta. > > http://new.mail. > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 1, 2006 Report Share Posted December 1, 2006 Not mixed up really. The analogy started with your objecting why the link to the article was posted here on this forum! That is like publishing I think. But then when you talked about medical journal discussing poetry you got a bit distracted from your original agitation and drifted into discussion instead of publication. Bottom line is we astrologers should not be biased but be open minded, even to what sceptics say. IF we are on the true path, we should not get threatened by articles written by other astrology schools or sceptics and even scientists. There is always something to learn and that is my principle and hence I share with others when I find something interesting. This may upset some with more rigid views, but what can I do about that. They can perhaps skip over my postings ;-) RR vedic astrology, Me Shubha Vela <pkgoteti wrote: > > Dear RR > i guess u got it mxed up again ur own words say publishes not discusses poetry , my point was discussing, I know they do and no problemas each person has some artist in him that needs expression, expresion has to be seen. but here is is just on discussion NT publising. > > G B Prashant Kumar > > > > > > > Rohiniranjan <rohini_ranjan > vedic astrology > Thursday, November 30, 2006 6:35:14 AM > [vedic astrology] Re: interesting paper on astrology 28/11 > > You will be surprised that some scientific journals such as Lancet, a > well known medical journal publishes poetry, even those written by > doctors. > > The boundaries are for us to create but they should not become walls > that close us from reality -- not the one that we see projected on > our walls but that which lies outside the walls <guffaw> > > RR > > vedic astrology, Me Shubha Vela <pkgoteti@ .> > wrote: > > > > Deare RR > > sure if I read it in the link direct would have pasted it, as u > broght it here only did comment on its inclusion here nothing else. > it is like a Medical journal discussing peotry > > > > > > > > Rohiniranjan <rohini_ranjan@ ...> > > vedic astrology > > Wednesday, November 29, 2006 4:55:32 AM > > [vedic astrology] Re: interesting paper on astrology 28/11 > > > > Sear shubh Vela, > > > > Assuming that you are responding to the link pasted earlier, please > > write to the author and discuss with him. > > > > I dont see anything perverted or pathetic in the article I gave a > > link to. > > > > But you can have your say with him. > > > > thanks > > > > RR > > > > vedic astrology, Me Shubha Vela > <pkgoteti@ .> > > wrote: > > > > > > Dear RR, > > > thi sis the most pathetic, perverted peice, Prof Yashpal from > > Indian scientific community may love this as it add to our > scientists > > fake scientific ediface, bringing this in here is even worse > > > > > > I can paste a page from Indian history to counter this READIG > FACES > > IN THE CLOUD' well any science needs its own scale/instruments to > > measure can u measure Earth quakes in meter, inches or liters? > > > > > > > > > Now the page from History [PL SHOW ME THE CLOUDS IN THIS PAGE] > > > > > > > > > from CURZON TO NEHRU. > > > by Durga das published in 1969 > > > > > > ------------ --------- --------- ---- > > > > > > CHAPTER 20 > > > ENTER THE SOOTHSAYER > > > The community of Astrologers did not merely influence the hour > when > > the independence of India should dawn. It shadowed most men in the > > top echelons-and continues to do so. In some cases, as the "Royal > > Astrologer" as they used to be called, became all powerful I found > > Satya Narayan Sinha, for several years the parliamentary affairs > now > > Minister for Information and broadcasting a delightful storehouse > of > > anecdotes in such matters, one who has a parliamentary record > longer > > than most active Indian politicians. Sinha is a gay, debonair soul, > > with a passion for Hindi literature, a belief in estoric lore like > > astrology Of the Nehru anecdotes Sinha recounted for me, Many refer > > to his closing years. > > > Sinha told me how he himself came to acquire faith in astrology. > A > > certain reader of horoscopes, derisively known as the patriwala, > had > > forcast Patil's death nine months before it happened. The Sardar > > himself was skeptical, and one night in his accustomed telephone > > conservation with Sinha on parliamentary matters chaffed into > > asking: " What does your patriwala say?" The seer, however, proved > > right to the exact day we were all completely taken aback, said > Sinha > > to me. > > > When TTK seemed to be in the peak of his power in 1958, came > > another pundit to assert that he was heading for a fall. Sinha > > ridiculed him saying. " You are talking through your turben". But > the > > undaunted man made still another dire prophecy. On the very day > > Krishnamachari quits the government, the Maulana Azad will have a > > fall in his bathroom and die four days later." > > > When Azad met with an accident B.C. Ray was summoned from > Calcutta. > > His verdict was there was no cause for anxiety. Sinha met Nehru in > > the lobby of parliament and told him of the predictions Nehru > > exploded angrily: "What rot are you talking Bidhan (Dr. B.C. ROY) > is > > certain that Azad is in no danger.". Four days later the education > > minister passed away. Sinha recalled how shaken Nehru was after > this. > > > Nehru's first illness was in March 1962, when he returned to > Delhi > > from Poona running a high temperature. His doctors thought it was > > merely the aftermath of a exhausting election campaign, but it > turned > > out to be a grave ailment which confined him to the bed for more > than > > a month and which compelled him from keeping away from the Congress > > Parliamentary Party at which he was re-elected its leader. > > > To Sinha's first suggestion that his horoscope be shown to a > > Jyotishi (astrologer) Nehru turned a dear ear. Gulzari Lal Nanda, > > the planning minister, prevailed upon him, however, to relent. > There > > was an explosion when the man well known in Delhi told Nehru That > he > > would be betrayed by his "best friend" and he would have to face an > > attack from China that very year. Nehru flared up and > shouted. "This > > can never happen. You are talking bilge" The jyotshi folded the > > horoscope, handed it back and retreated. > > > Not many weeks after the Chinese launched their aggression Nehru > > was in a mood to listen to the astrologer. But the pundits words > > were hardly comforting. Nehur's lifespan was over, he pronounced. > > Only Puja (ritual worship) could prolong it.What followed was > > shrouded in utmost secrecy Fifty learned pundits were engaged by > his > > admirers to perform the prescribed rites at a temple in Kalkaji, a > > suberb of Delhi. At the end of the daily ceremonies the pundits > > repaired to the Prime Minster's residence, to place an auspicious > > tilak mark on his forehead. > > > The astrologer had predicted that Nehru will have a second and > more > > serious illness in January 1964 and that he would not surive beyond > > May 27th. Sinha tried without success to dissuade Nehru from > > attending the Bubaneshwar session of the Congress Nehru left Delhi > > on the 4th Jan and became very ill two or three days later He never > > recovered fully from the stroke he suffered this time At the > A.I.C.C > > Session on 1tth May, Sinha warned some of his cabinet colleagues > that > > Nehru was likely to die in about ten days as a Jyotishi from Bombay > > had predicted. Nehru passed away on 27th May. > > > A high official close to Nehru, revealed to me later something > that > > lent weight to Sinha's story of Nehru's gradual drift to queer > > beliefs. For instance, he considered Ayurvedha the ancient Hindu > > system of therapy, unscientific, but yielded in his last days to > the > > ministrations of one of its noted practitioners. > > > It is a peculiar Oriental trait, that this faith in soothsayers. > > Nehru the iconoclast fell prey to in his last years. AyubKhan the > > fallen dictator of Pakistan consulted crystal gazers, Firoz Khan > > Noon, when he was Governer of East Pakistan told me all that a > > Brahmin had forecast about his political career had come true. Sir > > Chimmanlal Setalvad, a modern man and a leading lawyer if Bombay in > > the twenties and thirties Sampurnand who rose to become Chief > > Minister of U.P and later Governor of Rajasthan practiced astrology > > as a hobby. > > > This chapter is quoted faithfully. As it exists in Pages 374, 375 > > and 376. > > > from the book Titled From Curzon to Nehru And After. > > > By Durga Das. > > > Collins Publications, London 1969 > > > For people who do not know the characters in this. > > > -Jawharlal Nehru India's first Prime Minister, due to his > > aristocratic upbringing and education in Oxford and Cambridge, had > > little knowledge, roots of Indian culture except parroted what the > > British left for behind in his works Above all was scared of > hurting > > his vote banks the Muslim populace If he was seen as leaning > towards > > Hindu culture's thoughts, values etc. Became India's PM due to > > Mahatma Gandiji's blessings, he hardly agreed to Gandhi in his > > lifetime .But somehow went along with him as a reluctant but strong > > participant. > > > - Sardar Patel was the Deputy Prime Minster of Free India, he > > brought in many undecided states into the union. Free India owes > its > > shape to him. > > > - Dr. B C Ray was chief minister of West Bengal then. > > > - T T Krishnamachari (TTK) as the finance minister then. A > > major industrialist from the South. > > > - Moulana Azad was the education minister. > > > > > > > > > G B Prashant Kumar > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rohiniranjan <rohini_ranjan@ ...> > > > vedic astrology > > > Tuesday, November 28, 2006 1:36:08 AM > > > [vedic astrology] interesting paper on astrology > > > > > > http://rudolfhsmit. nl/d-effe2. htm > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _ > > ____________ __ > > > > > > Everyone is raving about the all-new Mail beta. > > > http://new.mail. > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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