Guest guest Posted November 28, 2006 Report Share Posted November 28, 2006 Dear Members, Could someone please tell why Mangal Puja is done. Thanks Gulabo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 28, 2006 Report Share Posted November 28, 2006 Gulabo ji, Please don't mind or get irritated at me, but I am a bit curious about the following: You have obviously been recommended by someone about this mangle puja either for you personally or for someone else. You are asking about it so obviously you do not know about it or have not studied it. The person who told you or the book you read from -- how come you did not ask the source or the author this question? By asking the forum at large, you may potentially be inviting more confusion. You may end up with diverse views and that will make you even more confused. I notice this tendency in many people. They never go back and question the source be it a book, author or jyotishi. In jyotish while there is significant consistency in some or many technical matters there is also a large degree of inconsistency and various explanations, partly based on what someone's guru taught or from other reasons. When you go into things like puja and tantra and so on, which are somewhat separated from pure jyotish (technical part) due to the somewhat sacred and secret nature of these things, opinions can be quite different. Even in recommendations for gemstones, different prescribers would advise one to get different weights of stones and in many cases even different stones! I would not even go into the navagraha rings and kavachs which essentially just raise the bar, unless the stones are of different weights. The hint for that is given in the shadbala nirnaya to some extent. There is the naisargika bala and different planets perform with different efficiencies though at the same bala value. These things are given very clearly and are to be studied and meditated upon and not applied mechanically. That is the difference between the piston of our CAR and the PISTON of KARma (under which as the poet says, do paatan kay beech main, baaki bachaa naa koy -- between the rock and the hard place, there is no escape for the 'body'! RR , "gulabo_jain" <gulabo_jain wrote: > > Dear Members, > > Could someone please tell why Mangal Puja is done. > > Thanks > Gulabo > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 29, 2006 Report Share Posted November 29, 2006 Recently I lost my brother who was just 39 years old. Everyone in our house are in shock. In such difficult times we tend to go to astrologers and find out why this happened to us. So my father also went to some pandit and showed the rest of our horoscopes. Some pandit told him to do some Mangal puja for me few months back. I asked him why because I personally don't believe so much in puja pat. He did not give a satisfactory answer. I searched the web also to find some answers but did not find anythig. So I decided to post it here. Also recently there was so much news on TV about the Mangal puja that I just rememberd about the puja that my father had told me about a few months back. And I just wanted to find out. It is very hard to see my sis-in-law, and there is this fear in every women of losing their husbands, may be that is reason I wanted to find out. Thanks Gulabo , "Rohiniranjan" <jyotish_vani wrote: > > Gulabo ji, > > Please don't mind or get irritated at me, but I am a bit curious > about the following: > > You have obviously been recommended by someone about this mangle puja > either for you personally or for someone else. > > You are asking about it so obviously you do not know about it or have > not studied it. > > The person who told you or the book you read from -- how come you did > not ask the source or the author this question? > > By asking the forum at large, you may potentially be inviting more > confusion. You may end up with diverse views and that will make you > even more confused. > > I notice this tendency in many people. They never go back and > question the source be it a book, author or jyotishi. > > In jyotish while there is significant consistency in some or many > technical matters there is also a large degree of inconsistency and > various explanations, partly based on what someone's guru taught or > from other reasons. > > When you go into things like puja and tantra and so on, which are > somewhat separated from pure jyotish (technical part) due to the > somewhat sacred and secret nature of these things, opinions can be > quite different. Even in recommendations for gemstones, different > prescribers would advise one to get different weights of stones and > in many cases even different stones! I would not even go into the > navagraha rings and kavachs which essentially just raise the bar, > unless the stones are of different weights. The hint for that is > given in the shadbala nirnaya to some extent. There is the naisargika > bala and different planets perform with different efficiencies though > at the same bala value. These things are given very clearly and are > to be studied and meditated upon and not applied mechanically. > > That is the difference between the piston of our CAR and the PISTON > of KARma (under which as the poet says, do paatan kay beech main, > baaki bachaa naa koy -- between the rock and the hard place, there is > no escape for the 'body'! > > > RR > > , "gulabo_jain" > <gulabo_jain@> wrote: > > > > Dear Members, > > > > Could someone please tell why Mangal Puja is done. > > > > Thanks > > Gulabo > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 30, 2006 Report Share Posted November 30, 2006 Dear Gulabo ji, Please consider the following: Strange as it may sound, different astrologers give different reasons for the same chart. Some would blame the debilitated, others retrograde and others will say it is because the planet is COMBUST or still others will blame a planet that has lost in yuddhabala. Against that background, what triggered off the pandit you are talking about would be a wild guess. I understand and sympathize with your terrible loss and the mental state of the family after such a duryoga happens in our lives. Even if you are not a strong believer, if others in your family are and trust the pandit and his words, I say go ahead with the puja. Any puja if done with good intention can only help. Lot of people also go for Satyanarayan katha/path after mishaps. While on that topic I must share this true experience. Once a family was doing Satyanarayan katha. The pandit was very young and as he was doing the path, one of the women guests dozed off and began snoring very loudly. It was so loud that even the pandit started laughing and forgot the mantra for a bit. I was watching the couple who were getting the pooja done. They were very into it, completely oblivious to the distractions. The pooja continued and there was no untoward effect. On the other hand some really beneficial things happened after the pooja within a couple of weeks. Coincidence? I doubt it!! RR Even if , "gulabo_jain" <gulabo_jain wrote: > > Recently I lost my brother who was just 39 years old. Everyone in our > house are in shock. In such difficult times we tend to go to > astrologers and find out why this happened to us. So my father also > went to some pandit and showed the rest of our horoscopes. Some > pandit told him to do some Mangal puja for me few months back. I > asked him why because I personally don't believe so much in puja pat. > He did not give a satisfactory answer. I searched the web also to > find some answers but did not find anythig. So I decided to post it > here. Also recently there was so much news on TV about the Mangal > puja that I just rememberd about the puja that my father had told me > about a few months back. And I just wanted to find out. It is very > hard to see my sis-in-law, and there is this fear in every women of > losing their husbands, may be that is reason I wanted to find out. > > > Thanks > Gulabo > , "Rohiniranjan" > <jyotish_vani@> wrote: > > > > Gulabo ji, > > > > Please don't mind or get irritated at me, but I am a bit curious > > about the following: > > > > You have obviously been recommended by someone about this mangle > puja > > either for you personally or for someone else. > > > > You are asking about it so obviously you do not know about it or > have > > not studied it. > > > > The person who told you or the book you read from -- how come you > did > > not ask the source or the author this question? > > > > By asking the forum at large, you may potentially be inviting more > > confusion. You may end up with diverse views and that will make you > > even more confused. > > > > I notice this tendency in many people. They never go back and > > question the source be it a book, author or jyotishi. > > > > In jyotish while there is significant consistency in some or many > > technical matters there is also a large degree of inconsistency and > > various explanations, partly based on what someone's guru taught or > > from other reasons. > > > > When you go into things like puja and tantra and so on, which are > > somewhat separated from pure jyotish (technical part) due to the > > somewhat sacred and secret nature of these things, opinions can be > > quite different. Even in recommendations for gemstones, different > > prescribers would advise one to get different weights of stones and > > in many cases even different stones! I would not even go into the > > navagraha rings and kavachs which essentially just raise the bar, > > unless the stones are of different weights. The hint for that is > > given in the shadbala nirnaya to some extent. There is the > naisargika > > bala and different planets perform with different efficiencies > though > > at the same bala value. These things are given very clearly and are > > to be studied and meditated upon and not applied mechanically. > > > > That is the difference between the piston of our CAR and the PISTON > > of KARma (under which as the poet says, do paatan kay beech main, > > baaki bachaa naa koy -- between the rock and the hard place, there > is > > no escape for the 'body'! > > > > > > RR > > > > , "gulabo_jain" > > <gulabo_jain@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Members, > > > > > > Could someone please tell why Mangal Puja is done. > > > > > > Thanks > > > Gulabo > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 1, 2006 Report Share Posted December 1, 2006 It is funny but my brother very religiously followed what the pandits had told him to do about the Shani in his chart. He had done many pujas. But that really did not help him much, If the pandits who could see a bad time could have suggested him to go to a doctor along with the puja. But I don't know what went wrong. Thanks Gulabo , "Rohiniranjan" <jyotish_vani wrote: > > Dear Gulabo ji, > > Please consider the following: > > Strange as it may sound, different astrologers give different reasons > for the same chart. Some would blame the debilitated, others > retrograde and others will say it is because the planet is COMBUST or > still others will blame a planet that has lost in yuddhabala. Against > that background, what triggered off the pandit you are talking about > would be a wild guess. > > I understand and sympathize with your terrible loss and the mental > state of the family after such a duryoga happens in our lives. Even > if you are not a strong believer, if others in your family are and > trust the pandit and his words, I say go ahead with the puja. Any > puja if done with good intention can only help. Lot of people also go > for Satyanarayan katha/path after mishaps. > > While on that topic I must share this true experience. Once a family > was doing Satyanarayan katha. The pandit was very young and as he was > doing the path, one of the women guests dozed off and began snoring > very loudly. It was so loud that even the pandit started laughing and > forgot the mantra for a bit. I was watching the couple who were > getting the pooja done. They were very into it, completely oblivious > to the distractions. The pooja continued and there was no untoward > effect. On the other hand some really beneficial things happened > after the pooja within a couple of weeks. > > Coincidence? I doubt it!! > > RR > > Even if , "gulabo_jain" > <gulabo_jain@> wrote: > > > > Recently I lost my brother who was just 39 years old. Everyone in > our > > house are in shock. In such difficult times we tend to go to > > astrologers and find out why this happened to us. So my father also > > went to some pandit and showed the rest of our horoscopes. Some > > pandit told him to do some Mangal puja for me few months back. I > > asked him why because I personally don't believe so much in puja > pat. > > He did not give a satisfactory answer. I searched the web also to > > find some answers but did not find anythig. So I decided to post it > > here. Also recently there was so much news on TV about the Mangal > > puja that I just rememberd about the puja that my father had told > me > > about a few months back. And I just wanted to find out. It is very > > hard to see my sis-in-law, and there is this fear in every women of > > losing their husbands, may be that is reason I wanted to find out. > > > > > > Thanks > > Gulabo > > , "Rohiniranjan" > > <jyotish_vani@> wrote: > > > > > > Gulabo ji, > > > > > > Please don't mind or get irritated at me, but I am a bit curious > > > about the following: > > > > > > You have obviously been recommended by someone about this mangle > > puja > > > either for you personally or for someone else. > > > > > > You are asking about it so obviously you do not know about it or > > have > > > not studied it. > > > > > > The person who told you or the book you read from -- how come you > > did > > > not ask the source or the author this question? > > > > > > By asking the forum at large, you may potentially be inviting > more > > > confusion. You may end up with diverse views and that will make > you > > > even more confused. > > > > > > I notice this tendency in many people. They never go back and > > > question the source be it a book, author or jyotishi. > > > > > > In jyotish while there is significant consistency in some or many > > > technical matters there is also a large degree of inconsistency > and > > > various explanations, partly based on what someone's guru taught > or > > > from other reasons. > > > > > > When you go into things like puja and tantra and so on, which are > > > somewhat separated from pure jyotish (technical part) due to the > > > somewhat sacred and secret nature of these things, opinions can > be > > > quite different. Even in recommendations for gemstones, different > > > prescribers would advise one to get different weights of stones > and > > > in many cases even different stones! I would not even go into the > > > navagraha rings and kavachs which essentially just raise the bar, > > > unless the stones are of different weights. The hint for that is > > > given in the shadbala nirnaya to some extent. There is the > > naisargika > > > bala and different planets perform with different efficiencies > > though > > > at the same bala value. These things are given very clearly and > are > > > to be studied and meditated upon and not applied mechanically. > > > > > > That is the difference between the piston of our CAR and the > PISTON > > > of KARma (under which as the poet says, do paatan kay beech main, > > > baaki bachaa naa koy -- between the rock and the hard place, > there > > is > > > no escape for the 'body'! > > > > > > > > > RR > > > > > > , "gulabo_jain" > > > <gulabo_jain@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Members, > > > > > > > > Could someone please tell why Mangal Puja is done. > > > > > > > > Thanks > > > > Gulabo > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 1, 2006 Report Share Posted December 1, 2006 Again, please do not think of these remedials in the same sense as medicines! Even those fail, but really the jyotish remedies are spiritual things. The expectation in many who think of these in a very worldly mode (and many jyotishis too fall prey to that mentality) miss one thing. Spiritual remedies sometimes in fact often have subtle effects and they do not always express or influence the worldly experiences or material issues. When expections exist or are created (recklessly) for example: do this pooja and you will get a job or you will get married or have a child, the person recommending the said pooja or other measure is missing something. The spiritual remedy is going to influence and make changes in the spiritual reality in which we all exist but are not aware of. That change in spiritual reality can sometimes influence the worldly reality in a very tangible manner, but not always. If you read the example where a pooja was interrupted but those who were primarily involved remained unperturbed and gained from the pooja (I think -- again it is hard to prove from one instance). Pooja and remedies must be accepted and carried out or observed in a frame of penance and not in a frame of investment/expectation/rightfullness -- if you catch my drift. The reason why I shy away from internet prescription of gemstones (which are very effective by the way!) is because most individuals get into an expectation as they would when buying an object. I paid money, I must get the good and it must deliver! Sadly, that is the very thing or mental state that can kill the remedy. With personal tragedy so close timewise, I am sure all this rambling may not be of interest to you, at this time. So I will stop discussing further. May God give you and your family strength and peace and show the right path. Regards, RR , "gulabo_jain" <gulabo_jain wrote: > > It is funny but my brother very religiously followed what the pandits > had told him to do about the Shani in his chart. He had done many > pujas. But that really did not help him much, If the pandits who > could see a bad time could have suggested him to go to a doctor along > with the puja. But I don't know what went wrong. > > Thanks > Gulabo > > , "Rohiniranjan" > <jyotish_vani@> wrote: > > > > Dear Gulabo ji, > > > > Please consider the following: > > > > Strange as it may sound, different astrologers give different > reasons > > for the same chart. Some would blame the debilitated, others > > retrograde and others will say it is because the planet is COMBUST > or > > still others will blame a planet that has lost in yuddhabala. > Against > > that background, what triggered off the pandit you are talking > about > > would be a wild guess. > > > > I understand and sympathize with your terrible loss and the mental > > state of the family after such a duryoga happens in our lives. Even > > if you are not a strong believer, if others in your family are and > > trust the pandit and his words, I say go ahead with the puja. Any > > puja if done with good intention can only help. Lot of people also > go > > for Satyanarayan katha/path after mishaps. > > > > While on that topic I must share this true experience. Once a > family > > was doing Satyanarayan katha. The pandit was very young and as he > was > > doing the path, one of the women guests dozed off and began snoring > > very loudly. It was so loud that even the pandit started laughing > and > > forgot the mantra for a bit. I was watching the couple who were > > getting the pooja done. They were very into it, completely > oblivious > > to the distractions. The pooja continued and there was no untoward > > effect. On the other hand some really beneficial things happened > > after the pooja within a couple of weeks. > > > > Coincidence? I doubt it!! > > > > RR > > > > Even if , "gulabo_jain" > > <gulabo_jain@> wrote: > > > > > > Recently I lost my brother who was just 39 years old. Everyone in > > our > > > house are in shock. In such difficult times we tend to go to > > > astrologers and find out why this happened to us. So my father > also > > > went to some pandit and showed the rest of our horoscopes. Some > > > pandit told him to do some Mangal puja for me few months back. I > > > asked him why because I personally don't believe so much in puja > > pat. > > > He did not give a satisfactory answer. I searched the web also > to > > > find some answers but did not find anythig. So I decided to post > it > > > here. Also recently there was so much news on TV about the > Mangal > > > puja that I just rememberd about the puja that my father had told > > me > > > about a few months back. And I just wanted to find out. It is > very > > > hard to see my sis-in-law, and there is this fear in every women > of > > > losing their husbands, may be that is reason I wanted to find > out. > > > > > > > > > Thanks > > > Gulabo > > > , "Rohiniranjan" > > > <jyotish_vani@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Gulabo ji, > > > > > > > > Please don't mind or get irritated at me, but I am a bit > curious > > > > about the following: > > > > > > > > You have obviously been recommended by someone about this > mangle > > > puja > > > > either for you personally or for someone else. > > > > > > > > You are asking about it so obviously you do not know about it > or > > > have > > > > not studied it. > > > > > > > > The person who told you or the book you read from -- how come > you > > > did > > > > not ask the source or the author this question? > > > > > > > > By asking the forum at large, you may potentially be inviting > > more > > > > confusion. You may end up with diverse views and that will make > > you > > > > even more confused. > > > > > > > > I notice this tendency in many people. They never go back and > > > > question the source be it a book, author or jyotishi. > > > > > > > > In jyotish while there is significant consistency in some or > many > > > > technical matters there is also a large degree of inconsistency > > and > > > > various explanations, partly based on what someone's guru > taught > > or > > > > from other reasons. > > > > > > > > When you go into things like puja and tantra and so on, which > are > > > > somewhat separated from pure jyotish (technical part) due to > the > > > > somewhat sacred and secret nature of these things, opinions can > > be > > > > quite different. Even in recommendations for gemstones, > different > > > > prescribers would advise one to get different weights of stones > > and > > > > in many cases even different stones! I would not even go into > the > > > > navagraha rings and kavachs which essentially just raise the > bar, > > > > unless the stones are of different weights. The hint for that > is > > > > given in the shadbala nirnaya to some extent. There is the > > > naisargika > > > > bala and different planets perform with different efficiencies > > > though > > > > at the same bala value. These things are given very clearly and > > are > > > > to be studied and meditated upon and not applied mechanically. > > > > > > > > That is the difference between the piston of our CAR and the > > PISTON > > > > of KARma (under which as the poet says, do paatan kay beech > main, > > > > baaki bachaa naa koy -- between the rock and the hard place, > > there > > > is > > > > no escape for the 'body'! > > > > > > > > > > > > RR > > > > > > > > , "gulabo_jain" > > > > <gulabo_jain@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear Members, > > > > > > > > > > Could someone please tell why Mangal Puja is done. > > > > > > > > > > Thanks > > > > > Gulabo > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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