Guest guest Posted November 28, 2006 Report Share Posted November 28, 2006 The ego-based types of love are limited and can be blind, but real Love is unlimited and infinite. I think of compassion as love directed toward others who are in pain or limitation or deficiency in some way, but what of love toward others in their happiness? I think there is a love that is beyond even compassion, that is the essence of our nature, deep in there somewhere. By synchronicity these notes of a talk by Ammachi was just posted on another list: >There are four kinds of love. The first kind is where we see people >as possessions. The second kind is 'commercial', where there is a >'barter' of love, we give love, but only if we get love in return, >there is expectation of receiving love when giving love. The third >kind of love makes us speak words and do actions for the comfort of >others, we endure sacrifices for others, however the spirit of >'I'/'mine' still remains. The fourth and final kind of love is that >of a Satguru - this love takes us to perfection. The disciple's >impurities are washed away in the Satguru's love. and .... >We all have the capacity to experience infinite love. We are >physically all different (shape and form), but the consciousness is >the same within us. Depending on the strength of spiritual >practices, we can manifest this power within us. A 'sattvic' mind is >like a crystal. Only when we start loving will we experience love, >just like we can really experience 'drums' only when we start >playing this musical instrument. In that state, others' pain will >become our pain, and others' happiness will become our happiness. In >India, near the Ashram, when Amma was about 8-9 years old, there >were homes owned by people, each home in about a 10 acre square >area. The families that owned these homes had plenty of rooms and >space, more than they needed, and hence they simply allowed any >homeless people/families to stay. There was no rent charged; there >was only compassion. Amma used to go around 50-60 houses in the >night collecting tapioca peels in order to feed the animals in Her > home/ashram. Sometimes She would ask her parents to give some food >for other hungry people in the village, but when Her parents >sometimes didn't agree, She would even steal food from her own home >to give to others. We ask why and how Amma began doing such service. >Amma had a vision once. She realized that it was the Karma of people >that was responsible for their suffering. Simultaneously She >realized that if it was the Karma of a man to fall into the hole, >then it was "my Karma" (i.e., Amma's Karma) to help him get out of >the hole... ====== >Love by itself by nature is blind. Love without condition and >reasoning is compassion. That is what we all need: Compassion, not >Blind Love. -- Max Dashu Suppressed Histories Archives Women in Global Perspective http://www.suppressedhistories.net New poster: Our Reproductive Rights! http://www.maxdashu.net/shamanic/reprorights.html Beautiful, multi-issue, empowering 11 x 17 laser print Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 29, 2006 Report Share Posted November 29, 2006 , Max Dashu <maxdashu wrote: > > The ego-based types of love are limited and can be blind, but real > Love is unlimited and infinite. I think of compassion as love > directed toward others who are in pain or limitation or deficiency in > some way, but what of love toward others in their happiness? I think > there is a love that is beyond even compassion, that is the essence > of our nature, deep in there somewhere. > Compassion is love beyond understanding or accepting other pain, their limitation or deficiency nor its about happiness. What makes somebody who is such a loving father, husband and father to commit crime against humanity. It's the lack of Compassion. To me ive seen people coming here proclaiming this "LOVE". Its becoming so superficial. Utter too many times that it have lost its meaning all together. Love have becoming so fractured and mutilated, such concept of real love is an illusion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 30, 2006 Report Share Posted November 30, 2006 > >Love by itself by nature is blind. Love without condition and > >reasoning is compassion. That is what we all need: Compassion, not > >Blind Love. Hi - Sometimes love is blind and sometimes love is just plainly stupid. This observation isn't trying to be flippant. Being a man of 48 and soon to 49 my experiences of love are vastly different form when I was eight or 18. Love isn't a single dimension either to me now as compared to those younger ages. Love is an enormously complicated thing that exists with or without ego, with and without people of good intentions and with and without people with the resources to give or receive honestly. To use a biblical metaphor, love isn't necessarily a respecter of persons. One thing that I suspect is that it doesn't exist for you or the situation because you personally wish it to. It is a big idea that to meditate upon. [[someday I'll have to write about strange meditations I have such as one where I consider woman as the sun and man as the moon!]] One of the women that I really "loved" was a woman with two autistic children. While there was great love for her, it wasn't enough for me to overcome the difficulty of her children's condition. With Anne, there was a case where she was the sun and I was the moon. It also wasn't an issue that I didn't love her or her children, it was the special day-to-day requirements were mentally and physically exhausting for the care of her children. There just wasn't enough of me beyond the love to make a difference in trying to keep the relationship going. I go three or four times a day regretting not being with her. One of the things big here in the states is the idea of "loving unconditionally" which is an idea that was derived from a therapeutic model for the treatment of patients by a psychologist named Carl Rogers. It is the idea of giving or being in love without any kind of judgement. I'm sure it works great in a therapeutic setting but it hard to do in day to day life. My sister who is generally a very difficult person to deal with had an auto accident about four or five years back. I decided to help her through that situation out of love and some extent duty. I'm glad that duty was part of helping her recover because love would not have been enough. There were just times when trying to push her along so that she could care for herself was truly painful for me at times. Even with the understanding of the fear that was going on in her mind, it was difficult. That has been a form of love but not what the poets and the bards sung about. The love and care for her REQUIRED judgements for her good. There was such heaviness at times, it was just difficult. One other thing, too, there are many colors and flavors of love. Curry has a certain flavor as does cinnamon, however, both are spices. The love of taking care of a child that a mother has, the love of caring for a sick relative, and the kind of love a man as for a woman or woman for a man are different and the same as the flavors of spices. That is why there are so many representations of the goddess. Well, perhaps this isn't a good way to end this, I seem to KNOW less about the meaning of love than I did when I was younger. I do know it isn't sugar and spice and everything nice. Namaste, Eric -------------------- BOTH SIDES NOW Joni Mitchell Rows and floes of angel hair And ice cream castles in the air And feather canyons everywhere I've looked at clouds that way But now they only block the sun They rain and snow on evryone So many things I would have done But clouds got in my way Ive looked at clouds from both sides now >From up and down, and still somehow It's cloud illusions I recall I really dont know clouds at all Moons and Junes and ferris wheels The dizzy dancing way you feel As every fairy tale comes real Ive looked at love that way But now its just another show You leave em laughing when you go And if you care, don't let them know Don't give yourself away Ive looked at love from both sides now >From give and take, and still somehow Its loves illusions I recall I really dont know love at all Tears and fears and feeling proud To say I love you right out loud Dreams and schemes and circus crowds I've looked at life that way But now old friends are acting strange They shake their heads, they say Ive changed Well somethings lost, but somethings gained In living every day Ive looked at life from both sides now >From win and lose and still somehow Its lifes illusions I recall I really dont know life at all Ive looked at life from both sides now >From up and down, and still somehow It's lifes illusions I recall I really dont know life at all Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 1, 2006 Report Share Posted December 1, 2006 Namaste Well, its true that i will stil maintain the fact that i don't agree with the degrading of the youth nowadays.. Im not criticising all or generalise the society, but some of them. But what is wrong we must say THIS IS WRONG, because Devi is our mother and if there is something bad we should discuss and find solutions... It is true that, we learn to forgive others etc... but TO FORGIVE there is a limit.. I can't forgive all time to the same people who use to hurt each times innocent ones!! If im doing wrong I do ask Devi to forgive me, but as a son or child of MAA, I have the right to say what I do think is bad, I do believe if Maa is angry with me she will scold me and if she thinks that im right she will guide me through to help in some ways.. I knw im not Perfect, not Superior from anyone, but as a Human, lets respect our dharma and lets pray and share moral to cease all kinds of violence around us - we cant make the world PERFECT as heaven, but at least can try to make it Good so that our future generations will be able to live in it and will be more receptive to Devi's words... Jai Shri Matre Parishant Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 4, 2006 Report Share Posted December 4, 2006 , "Parishant" <paribus81 wrote: > > Namaste > > Well, its true that i will stil maintain the fact that i don't agree with the degrading of the youth nowadays.. Im 44 yrs old now. Ive heard this statement from the senior citizens when I'm about you're age too. ".. the youth today are getting from bad to worst ..." Before the Iraq war, a lot of people predicted that it will trigger WWW3. When they first sight the Halley Comet making its direction towards the earth orbit, they also predicted that it will hit earth and thus our doomsday.. want me to continue more. My question is : Does the youth today is going degrading as you like us to believe? or its just a phase? > Im not criticising all or generalise the society, but some of them. > Like the young men I have a chat with. This is the rest of the conversation Me : so tell me, did those young people who hang around the temple, block your entrance to the temple? YM : No, they did not Me : so tell me, did those young people who hang around the temple, make fun of you or stop you from performing your prayers? YM: No, they do not. Me : so tell me whats the issue then? What is your purpose of going to the temple in the first place? > But what is wrong we must say THIS IS WRONG, because Devi is our mother and if there is something bad we should discuss and find solutions... But what is WRONG And RIGHT? What may be wrong to you may be right to others? Of course there is nothing wrong with discussing or trying to find a solution but actions speaks better than words. We spend a lot of time here over the net talk and talk and talk but no action. My question to you young man: what have you don't so far to make this earth a better place to be? If you want others to change, you first must change, but change itself is not good enough. Can you create the ripple effect. Lets say you have this stone in your hand and you throw it in the water/river. It create the ripple right? How you create this ripple effect too there's a technique. With one stone you can just create one ripple effect, but if you know how to throw the stone at a certain angle, you can create not one but multiple effect. Are you aware of this? > It is true that, we learn to forgive others etc... but TO FORGIVE there is a limit.. I can't forgive all time to the same people who use to hurt each times innocent ones!! Sound to me like you have bad experience with Love, thus this burst of emotion. I'm sorry. No wonder you sound so angry. In any war, its always the innocents who are the victims. That is the fact of life. That is why we say life is not permanent. What you have with you now especially the luxuries are not permanent. DEVI can take it away from you any time anywhere. The problem is that we forget about this. Thus when something happen we get angry. We blame others. > I knw im not Perfect, not Superior from anyone, but as a Human, lets respect our dharma and lets pray and share moral to cease all kinds of violence around us - we cant make the world PERFECT as heaven, but at least can try to make it Good so that our future generations will be able to live in it and will be more receptive to Devi's words... War and Violent is inevitable. Sooner or later because it's always been inevitable. It always will be, just as long as human beings are capable of quarreling and anger, no matter over what. Any war/violent is just a little's man quarrel magnified a million time. And to abolish war, you have to abolished every last vestige of human vanity, envy and unkindness. It can't be done. Now who is this OUR DHARMA? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 4, 2006 Report Share Posted December 4, 2006 Please don't apologize, as you said nothing offensive. And yes, such problems do exist!. I'm lesbian and i won't go into all the stories about what people can do, assume, say. Jai Maa, Max >I dnt know to whom I may be having that discussion but Let me tell >you that i was just sharing my point of view about a particular >subject which was just making me sad... > >I wasn't trying to make me superior than the others or as u would >have think Im far perfect than the rest... Sorry it wasn't my >thought... -- Max Dashu Suppressed Histories Archives Women in Global Perspective http://www.suppressedhistories.net New poster: Our Reproductive Rights! http://www.maxdashu.net/shamanic/reprorights.html Beautiful, multi-issue, empowering 11 x 17 laser print Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 5, 2006 Report Share Posted December 5, 2006 Om Namaste I have understand well your point of views both NMadasamy and Maxdashu.. and im happy to know that you people are also observant to our surroundings and agree that some are really bad. All that we can do is not to argue but to pray Devi that such problems don't arise on... As we are Devi's bhakts, we are not going out on the streets fighting with them but we should act through our prayers for the welfare of humanity and make all people become good citizens... Our prayers are only our weapons, strengths to fight against nowsdays violences and decline!! Thanks to all you people who have responed to my message!! OM SHANTI JAI SHRI MATRE With LOVE Parishant Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 5, 2006 Report Share Posted December 5, 2006 , "Parishant" <paribus81 wrote: > > Om Namaste > > I have understand well your point of views both NMadasamy and > Maxdashu.. and im happy to know that you people are also observant > to our surroundings and agree that some are really bad. > YOu did say you prefer to stop at that point but you choose to continue.. As such I will decide to continue as well because this shows you never really understood my point at all. Did I say they are bad? I did say who are we to say they are right or wrong. I see everything around me as they are, as they should be without making any judgement. All happenings is for a reason. If you look at the good that comes out from it, then good will it be. As I see it, its all DEVI ways of doing things, and IT MUST BE GOOD. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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