Guest guest Posted November 29, 2006 Report Share Posted November 29, 2006 Wendy ji, ///I cite two examples here, if I may: 1) A native with Ketu (alone) in 12th who has no interest whatsoever in moksha. In fact Ketu has severely restricted/harmed all the significations of this (12th) house. She has never gone beyond the shores of her own country, is not drawn to experience altered states of consciousness (through meditation or otherwise), she has lost both legs (double amputee) etc../// Most interesting. Could we have the birth data, please? Nice to hear that your garden is now in auto mode. :-) ~~~~~~~~~ Balaji Narasimhan Author & Editor http://www.balaji.ind.in/ ~~~~~~~~~ Everyone is raving about the all-new Mail beta. http://new.mail. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 29, 2006 Report Share Posted November 29, 2006 Dear Balaji, Marlene Bradford 4 Sep 1943 (17:35) Melbourne, Australia Lagna: Aquarius 13.36.38 U.G. Krishnamurti 9 Jul 1918 (06:10:32) Gudivada, India Lagna: Gemini 29.28.50 Best Wishes, Mrs. Wendy http://JyotishVidya.com jyotish-vidya ___ - "Balaji Narasimhan" <sherlockbalaji > <jyotish-vidya> Wednesday, November 29, 2006 7:34 PM Ketu in 12 Wendy ji, ///I cite two examples here, if I may: 1) A native with Ketu (alone) in 12th who has no interest whatsoever in moksha. In fact Ketu has severely restricted/harmed all the significations of this (12th) house. She has never gone beyond the shores of her own country, is not drawn to experience altered states of consciousness (through meditation or otherwise), she has lost both legs (double amputee) etc../// Most interesting. Could we have the birth data, please? Nice to hear that your garden is now in auto mode. :-) ~~~~~~~~~ Balaji Narasimhan Author & Editor http://www.balaji.ind.in/ ~~~~~~~~~ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 30, 2006 Report Share Posted November 30, 2006 Wendy ji, I cast the chart with the following data: Marlene Bradford 4 Sep 1943 17:35 [07:35 AM GMT] Melbourne, Australia 37s49, 144e58 10:00 East No DST Lagna: Aquarius 13.36.38 Some charts you can read very quickly, while others take hours--in this case, Ketu is in the star of 6th lord Chandra, so things kinda popped into my mind! :-) Guru aspects the 12th, but he owns a trishadya--the evil 11th house of materialism--and is also associated with the 2nd house of wealth, so I don't think that his aspect helps any. Chandra is in "maha nakshatram" Swati, but his dispositor, 9th lord Sukra, is combust. Chandra is in the materialistic 11th in Navamsa. Lord of the 12th, Sani, also occupies star of 3rd-lord Kuja, another trishadyadipathi. ~~~~~~~~~ Balaji Narasimhan Author & Editor http://www.balaji.ind.in/ ~~~~~~~~~ Everyone is raving about the all-new Mail beta. http://new.mail. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 2, 2006 Report Share Posted December 2, 2006 Dear Balaji, You've probably already figured out that this is my sister's chart :-) //Guru aspects the 12th, but he owns a trishadya--the evil 11th house of materialism--and is also associated with the 2nd house of wealth, so I don't think that his aspect helps any.// Actually what I said previously might have been a bit misleading as, although she never ventured beyond the shores of Australia, she did move interstate when she was quite young and settled there permanently. I did read somewhere recently that Guru-Chandala Yoga is effective if formed in 6th house only...does anyone have any scriptural reference to this? Also, in this chart, Jupiter and Rahu occupy nakshatra of 8th lord Mercury. It's interesting that, over the years, she's befriended (taken under her care as a mother-figure) those who have fallen by the wayside...those that have been discarded by society, criminals and so forth. It's said that these people hold her in such high regard they would lay down their life for her. //Chandra is in "maha nakshatram" Swati, but his dispositor, 9th lord Sukra, is combust. Chandra is in the materialistic 11th in Navamsa.// With JU/RA in 6th and 9th lord afflicted, religion (higher studies etc) have not been foremost. Ketu in 12th indicates (to me) the promise of moksha after death. Best Wishes, Mrs. Wendy http://JyotishVidya.com jyotish-vidya ___ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 4, 2006 Report Share Posted December 4, 2006 Wendy ji, You've probably already figured out that this is my sister's chart :-) I did! :-) ///I did read somewhere recently that Guru-Chandala Yoga is effective if formed in 6th house only...does anyone have any scriptural reference to this?/// But Guru has to be weak, right? Here, he is uccha--though, he is neecha in Navamsa. ///It's said that these people hold her in such high regard they would lay down their life for her./// Budha also owns the 5th--children! No wonder these people treat her as a "mother-figure" as you have so aptly put it! ///Ketu in 12th indicates (to me) the promise of moksha after death./// I agree--and your logic that Ketu in Lagna gives Moksha in this very birth is also something that I completely agree with. ~~~~~~~~~ Balaji Narasimhan Author & Editor http://www.balaji.ind.in/ ~~~~~~~~~ Everyone is raving about the all-new Mail beta. http://new.mail. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 5, 2006 Report Share Posted December 5, 2006 Dear Balaji, //But Guru has to be weak, right? Here, he is uccha--though, he is neecha in Navamsa.// This is true. However, the great benefic Jupiter is weakened by his position in a cadent house (12th from Kendra). Technically, of course, 9th is also a cadent (12th from 10th) but, as it's also a trine, planets benefit from this position...3rd, 6th and 12th, on the other hand, are dusthanas where benefics are weakened...the exception being Venus. According to Parashara: *A planet in an angle gets full strength while one in succedent house gets half and the one in cadent house gets a quarter* Also, the conditions uplifting Rahu's benefic status i.e. Rahu in kendra conjunct (or associated) with a trinal lord are considerably weakened as Jupiter and Rahu (in dusthana) occupy nakshatra of 8th (dusthana) lord Mercury...8th being Mercury's moolatrikona. Remember the dictum that moolatrikona takes precedence over own sign. Best Wishes, Mrs. Wendy http://JyotishVidya.com jyotish-vidya ___ - "Balaji Narasimhan" <sherlockbalaji > <jyotish-vidya> Monday, December 04, 2006 12:37 PM Re: Ketu in 12 Wendy ji, You've probably already figured out that this is my sister's chart :-) I did! :-) ///I did read somewhere recently that Guru-Chandala Yoga is effective if formed in 6th house only...does anyone have any scriptural reference to this?/// ///It's said that these people hold her in such high regard they would lay down their life for her./// Budha also owns the 5th--children! No wonder these people treat her as a "mother-figure" as you have so aptly put it! ///Ketu in 12th indicates (to me) the promise of moksha after death./// I agree--and your logic that Ketu in Lagna gives Moksha in this very birth is also something that I completely agree with. ~~~~~~~~~ Balaji Narasimhan Author & Editor http://www.balaji.ind.in/ ~~~~~~~~~ Everyone is raving about the all-new Mail beta. http://new.mail. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 5, 2006 Report Share Posted December 5, 2006 Dear Balaji, //I agree--and your logic that Ketu in Lagna gives Moksha in this very birth is also something that I completely agree with.// I think it would be better to say that Ketu in this position inclines the native towards moksha (a strong basic tendency...innate nature). However, for this basic promise to come to fruition, there must be support from other moksha lords (influencing lagna, lagna lord or its karaka, Sun)...don't you agree? Best Wishes, Mrs. Wendy http://JyotishVidya.com jyotish-vidya ___ - "Balaji Narasimhan" <sherlockbalaji > <jyotish-vidya> Monday, December 04, 2006 12:37 PM Re: Ketu in 12 Wendy ji, You've probably already figured out that this is my sister's chart :-) I did! :-) ///I did read somewhere recently that Guru-Chandala Yoga is effective if formed in 6th house only...does anyone have any scriptural reference to this?/// But Guru has to be weak, right? Here, he is uccha--though, he is neecha in Navamsa. ///It's said that these people hold her in such high regard they would lay down their life for her./// Budha also owns the 5th--children! No wonder these people treat her as a "mother-figure" as you have so aptly put it! ///Ketu in 12th indicates (to me) the promise of moksha after death./// I agree--and your logic that Ketu in Lagna gives Moksha in this very birth is also something that I completely agree with. ~~~~~~~~~ Balaji Narasimhan Author & Editor http://www.balaji.ind.in/ ~~~~~~~~~ Everyone is raving about the all-new Mail beta. http://new.mail. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 5, 2006 Report Share Posted December 5, 2006 Wendy ji, ///I think it would be better to say that Ketu in this position inclines the native towards moksha (a strong basic tendency...innate nature). However, for this basic promise to come to fruition, there must be support from other moksha lords (influencing lagna, lagna lord or its karaka, Sun)...don't you agree?/// I'm with you here, Wendy ji! The lords of the 5th and the 9th--along with their houses--need to be studied to analyze the basic religious nature of the native, and one should also, I feel, look at ALL the moksha houses (4, 8, 12). BTW, this reminds me of something I read earlier. A man goes to God and says, "God, please grant me salvation." "No." said God, "Salvation is a product of tribulations. It is not granted, it is earned." The way I see it, moksha is the easiest and the hardest thing in the world. It is hard because few aspire for this--and those who want it don't want to pay the price in this realm. But, it is also the easiest because Moksha is granted by God, and since He is extremely kind, He gives it to those who ask for this. I believe that God grants Moksha to those who ask for this, irrespective of what the chart indicates. However, will we ask? This, the chart definitely indicates! Hope that this little theory of mine bridges both the logic of the birth chart and the supremely merciful nature of God! :-) ~~~~~~~~~ Balaji Narasimhan Author & Editor http://www.balaji.ind.in/ ~~~~~~~~~ Everyone is raving about the all-new Mail beta. http://new.mail. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 5, 2006 Report Share Posted December 5, 2006 Dear Balaji, "Binu HariKripa Milahi nahi Santa" translated- Without the Lords Grace You do not meet Saints. Also without His Grace You dont get Moksha just for asking. The Chart has to indicate the prelimnaries and in the texts, there are indications given for Moksha too, in chart reading. There has to be indications by way of as you rightly said 5th and 9th House, Purva Punya and Sanchit Purva Karma, Sanyasa Yogas, Grihast Sanyas Yogas, Retro planets to indicate the Uncompleted tasks (Specially with reference to the 6th house), Atmakaraka and Vimsamsa chart. Of course the 12th Lord willl also indicate and so would the placement of Ketu the Mokshkaraka Graha. But again the placement of only a single planet cannot assure Moksha necesarily. It has to be part of the string and not in isolation. There also must be conditions in sinners charts when they start leading a good life, like in case of Valmiki. And we have a age old adage, every Saint has a past, and every sinner has a future. Mokhsa or final emancipation one cannot just get by asking. The chart has to show the Vairagya, or detachement, specially where the 12th Lord (Of Denial where it is placed), the 4th house, and seperative Grahas like Sun. Moon if in 4th or Saturn if in 4th would cause one to get detached from the home and domestic affairs leading to a life of self established detachement with the help of the 12th Lord. or if 2th Lord connection is missing, then a forced one due to indicatory factors of the 4th House. The desires(Vasanas) have to be extinguished completely from the psyche for one to have Moksha, not only in this physical state of being and body, but also in the subconscious states of being, when brought on the world first, in the first body a soul gets, and thus accumlates desires through thousands or lakhs of births as the case may be.Once these are not evaporated completely, theres no getting of Moksha how much a person may desire so, for this is the law of Nature as the Creator-God has set to be. But of course once the seed of desire is sown then either in this or subsequent births the native would be thrown on the path of fructifying this desire, coupled with efforts on the part of the native. We have also references to the Sapta Koshas or Astral body attached to the Physical body. 1) Annamaya Kosha 2) Pranamaya Kosha 3) Vasnamaya Kosha 4) Manomaya Kosha 5) Gyanamaya Kosha 6) Vigyanamaya Kosha 7) Anandmaya Kosha When the body is burnt (Consigned to the flames), the Pranmaya Kosha starts melting and the Vasnamaya Kosha gets opened. here the Vasanas are all stored. A substance known as Ectoplasm produces all these Vasanas. According to the characteristic of the Ectoplasm there are classes of ghosts - Rakshaa-demon,Brahma rakshash- A Brahmin turned into rakshasa,Witch ,dakin etc. Ectoplasm can easily establish relation with the human mind. It is invisible but sometimes it takes some solid form,we call it ghost or demon. The more vasnas stored, the more time this Kosha will take to melt. The ectoplasm can fufill its Vasanas either through other ways like possession as it needs hemoglobin to exist and thus needs blood (This is the reason why person in possession of evil spirits turns pale), or by taking rebirth in human body. Therefore Unless Vasnamaya kosha does not melt, salvation is not secured. It is only when the person reaches the stage of Anandmaya Kosha melting ,does the soul and mind become free and then you are in satchiddananada state or become one with HIM . Best wishes, Bhaskar. jyotish-vidya, Balaji Narasimhan <sherlockbalaji wrote: > > Wendy ji, > > ///I think it would be better to say that Ketu in this > position inclines the native towards moksha (a strong > basic tendency...innate nature). However, for this > basic promise to come to fruition, there must be > support from other moksha lords (influencing lagna, > lagna lord or its karaka, Sun)...don't you agree?/// > > I'm with you here, Wendy ji! The lords of the 5th and > the 9th--along with their houses--need to be studied > to analyze the basic religious nature of the native, > and one should also, I feel, look at ALL the moksha > houses (4, 8, 12). > > BTW, this reminds me of something I read earlier. A > man goes to God and says, "God, please grant me > salvation." > > "No." said God, "Salvation is a product of > tribulations. It is not granted, it is earned." > > The way I see it, moksha is the easiest and the > hardest thing in the world. It is hard because few > aspire for this--and those who want it don't want to > pay the price in this realm. But, it is also the > easiest because Moksha is granted by God, and since He > is extremely kind, He gives it to those who ask for > this. > > I believe that God grants Moksha to those who ask for > this, irrespective of what the chart indicates. > However, will we ask? This, the chart definitely > indicates! > > Hope that this little theory of mine bridges both the > logic of the birth chart and the supremely merciful > nature of God! :-) > > > ~~~~~~~~~ > Balaji Narasimhan > Author & Editor > http://www.balaji.ind.in/ > ~~~~~~~~~ > > > > ____________________ ______________ > > Everyone is raving about the all-new Mail beta. > http://new.mail. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 5, 2006 Report Share Posted December 5, 2006 Dear Bhaskar, Once again, thanks for a wondeful mail. Apart from the philosophical content, the astrological content lighted my eyes as I found some indicators in my chart. Mine is Leo lagna, with Saturn in the 4th. Saturn and 12th lord Moon aspect each other, Moon being in the 10th. Ketu is in the 8th (in the house of Jupiter). The 12th house gets the aspect of Jupiter. If one considers Rasi drishti, Ketu aspects the 12th by Rasi drishti (of course by Rahu as well from the same count). I am currently running Saturn MD. What would you interpret from the above combination? Regards, Krishna --- Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish (AT) (DOT) co.in> wrote: > Dear Balaji, > > "Binu HariKripa Milahi nahi Santa" > translated- Without the Lords Grace You do not meet Saints. > > Also without His Grace You dont get Moksha just for asking. > The Chart has to indicate the prelimnaries and in the texts, > there are indications given for Moksha too, in chart reading. > > There has to be indications by way of as you rightly said > 5th and 9th House, Purva Punya and Sanchit Purva Karma, > Sanyasa Yogas, Grihast Sanyas Yogas, Retro planets > to indicate the Uncompleted tasks (Specially with > reference to the 6th house), Atmakaraka and Vimsamsa chart. > Of course the 12th Lord willl also indicate and so would > the placement of Ketu the Mokshkaraka Graha. > But again the placement of only a single planet > cannot assure Moksha necesarily. It has to be part of > the string and not in isolation. > > There also must be conditions in sinners charts when they > start leading a good life, like in case > of Valmiki. And we have a age old adage, > every Saint has a past, and every sinner has a future. > > Mokhsa or final emancipation one cannot just get by asking. > The chart has to show the Vairagya, or detachement, > specially where the 12th Lord (Of Denial where it is placed), > the 4th house, and seperative Grahas like Sun. > Moon if in 4th or Saturn if in 4th would cause > one to get detached from the home and domestic > affairs leading to a life of self established detachement with > the help of the 12th Lord. or if 2th Lord connection is > missing, > then a forced one due to indicatory factors of the 4th House. > > The desires(Vasanas) have to be extinguished completely from > the > psyche > for one to have Moksha, not only in this physical state of > being and > body, > but also in the subconscious states of being, when brought on > the > world first, > in the first body a soul gets, and thus accumlates desires > through > thousands > or lakhs of births as the case may be.Once these are not > evaporated > completely, > theres no getting of Moksha how much a person may desire so, > for this > is the > law of Nature as the Creator-God has set to be. But of course > once > the seed of > desire is sown then either in this or subsequent births the > native > would be > thrown on the path of fructifying this desire, coupled with > efforts > on the part > of the native. > > We have also references to the Sapta Koshas or Astral body > attached to the Physical body. > 1) Annamaya Kosha > 2) Pranamaya Kosha > 3) Vasnamaya Kosha > 4) Manomaya Kosha > 5) Gyanamaya Kosha > 6) Vigyanamaya Kosha > 7) Anandmaya Kosha > > When the body is burnt (Consigned to the flames), the > Pranmaya Kosha > starts melting > and the Vasnamaya Kosha gets opened. here the Vasanas are all > > stored. > A substance known as Ectoplasm produces all these Vasanas. > According > to the characteristic of the Ectoplasm there are classes of > ghosts - > Rakshaa-demon,Brahma rakshash- A Brahmin turned into > rakshasa,Witch ,dakin etc. Ectoplasm can easily establish > relation > with the human mind. It is invisible but sometimes it takes > some > solid form,we call it ghost or demon. > The more vasnas stored, the more time this Kosha will take to > melt. > The ectoplasm can > fufill its Vasanas either through other ways like possession > as it > needs hemoglobin to exist and thus needs blood (This is the > reason > why person in possession of evil spirits turns pale), > or by taking rebirth in human body. Therefore Unless Vasnamaya > kosha > does > not melt, salvation is not secured. > > It is only when the person reaches the stage of Anandmaya > Kosha > melting ,does the soul and mind become free and then you are > in > satchiddananada state or become one with HIM . > > Best wishes, > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > jyotish-vidya, Balaji Narasimhan > <sherlockbalaji wrote: > > > > Wendy ji, > > > > ///I think it would be better to say that Ketu in this > > position inclines the native towards moksha (a strong > > basic tendency...innate nature). However, for this > > basic promise to come to fruition, there must be > > support from other moksha lords (influencing lagna, > > lagna lord or its karaka, Sun)...don't you agree?/// > > > > I'm with you here, Wendy ji! The lords of the 5th and > > the 9th--along with their houses--need to be studied > > to analyze the basic religious nature of the native, > > and one should also, I feel, look at ALL the moksha > > houses (4, 8, 12). > > > > BTW, this reminds me of something I read earlier. A > > man goes to God and says, "God, please grant me > > salvation." > > > > "No." said God, "Salvation is a product of > > tribulations. It is not granted, it is earned." > > > > The way I see it, moksha is the easiest and the > > hardest thing in the world. It is hard because few > > aspire for this--and those who want it don't want to > > pay the price in this realm. But, it is also the > > easiest because Moksha is granted by God, and since He > > is extremely kind, He gives it to those who ask for > > this. > > > > I believe that God grants Moksha to those who ask for > > this, irrespective of what the chart indicates. > > However, will we ask? This, the chart definitely > > indicates! > > > > Hope that this little theory of mine bridges both the > > logic of the birth chart and the supremely merciful > > nature of God! :-) > > > > > > ~~~~~~~~~ > > Balaji Narasimhan > > Author & Editor > > http://www.balaji.ind.in/ > > ~~~~~~~~~ > > > > > > > > > ____________________ > ______________ > > > > Everyone is raving about the all-new Mail beta. > > http://new.mail. > > > > > Regards, Krishna http://astrokrishna.blogspot.com Any questions? Get answers on any topic at www.Answers.. Try it now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 5, 2006 Report Share Posted December 5, 2006 Dear Krishnaji, Results of Saturn Dasha- In the absence of other details- High learning if Mars is strong, Maternal happiness may not be there. Neither domestic happiness. Of course this would be if Saturn is weak. Strong Moon would give property,position if again well aspected by Mars, if weak then opposite results, high expenses etc.hindrances in profession. In any case you will be leaning towards Varigya,detachement of wordly affairs, and wishing to wind up sort of and get down to spiritual rounding up of your life., and making this base strong. Is Your Moon around 25 degrees ? And more than 3-4 planets in any house ? Transit of Jupiter will also show its effects, depending on where Jupiter is placed. Do You have any more planets in Scorpio ? The above is snap shot and may be off the mark. You know better. regards, Bhaskar. jyotish-vidya, Krishnamurthy Seetharama <krishna_1998 wrote: > > Dear Bhaskar, > > Once again, thanks for a wondeful mail. Apart from the > philosophical content, the astrological content lighted my eyes > as I found some indicators in my chart. > > Mine is Leo lagna, with Saturn in the 4th. Saturn and 12th lord > Moon aspect each other, Moon being in the 10th. Ketu is in the > 8th (in the house of Jupiter). The 12th house gets the aspect of > Jupiter. If one considers Rasi drishti, Ketu aspects the 12th by > Rasi drishti (of course by Rahu as well from the same count). > > I am currently running Saturn MD. > > What would you interpret from the above combination? > > Regards, > Krishna > > --- Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish wrote: > > > Dear Balaji, > > > > "Binu HariKripa Milahi nahi Santa" > > translated- Without the Lords Grace You do not meet Saints. > > > > Also without His Grace You dont get Moksha just for asking. > > The Chart has to indicate the prelimnaries and in the texts, > > there are indications given for Moksha too, in chart reading. > > > > There has to be indications by way of as you rightly said > > 5th and 9th House, Purva Punya and Sanchit Purva Karma, > > Sanyasa Yogas, Grihast Sanyas Yogas, Retro planets > > to indicate the Uncompleted tasks (Specially with > > reference to the 6th house), Atmakaraka and Vimsamsa chart. > > Of course the 12th Lord willl also indicate and so would > > the placement of Ketu the Mokshkaraka Graha. > > But again the placement of only a single planet > > cannot assure Moksha necesarily. It has to be part of > > the string and not in isolation. > > > > There also must be conditions in sinners charts when they > > start leading a good life, like in case > > of Valmiki. And we have a age old adage, > > every Saint has a past, and every sinner has a future. > > > > Mokhsa or final emancipation one cannot just get by asking. > > The chart has to show the Vairagya, or detachement, > > specially where the 12th Lord (Of Denial where it is placed), > > the 4th house, and seperative Grahas like Sun. > > Moon if in 4th or Saturn if in 4th would cause > > one to get detached from the home and domestic > > affairs leading to a life of self established detachement with > > the help of the 12th Lord. or if 2th Lord connection is > > missing, > > then a forced one due to indicatory factors of the 4th House. > > > > The desires(Vasanas) have to be extinguished completely from > > the > > psyche > > for one to have Moksha, not only in this physical state of > > being and > > body, > > but also in the subconscious states of being, when brought on > > the > > world first, > > in the first body a soul gets, and thus accumlates desires > > through > > thousands > > or lakhs of births as the case may be.Once these are not > > evaporated > > completely, > > theres no getting of Moksha how much a person may desire so, > > for this > > is the > > law of Nature as the Creator-God has set to be. But of course > > once > > the seed of > > desire is sown then either in this or subsequent births the > > native > > would be > > thrown on the path of fructifying this desire, coupled with > > efforts > > on the part > > of the native. > > > > We have also references to the Sapta Koshas or Astral body > > attached to the Physical body. > > 1) Annamaya Kosha > > 2) Pranamaya Kosha > > 3) Vasnamaya Kosha > > 4) Manomaya Kosha > > 5) Gyanamaya Kosha > > 6) Vigyanamaya Kosha > > 7) Anandmaya Kosha > > > > When the body is burnt (Consigned to the flames), the > > Pranmaya Kosha > > starts melting > > and the Vasnamaya Kosha gets opened. here the Vasanas are all > > > > stored. > > A substance known as Ectoplasm produces all these Vasanas. > > According > > to the characteristic of the Ectoplasm there are classes of > > ghosts - > > Rakshaa-demon,Brahma rakshash- A Brahmin turned into > > rakshasa,Witch ,dakin etc. Ectoplasm can easily establish > > relation > > with the human mind. It is invisible but sometimes it takes > > some > > solid form,we call it ghost or demon. > > The more vasnas stored, the more time this Kosha will take to > > melt. > > The ectoplasm can > > fufill its Vasanas either through other ways like possession > > as it > > needs hemoglobin to exist and thus needs blood (This is the > > reason > > why person in possession of evil spirits turns pale), > > or by taking rebirth in human body. Therefore Unless Vasnamaya > > kosha > > does > > not melt, salvation is not secured. > > > > It is only when the person reaches the stage of Anandmaya > > Kosha > > melting ,does the soul and mind become free and then you are > > in > > satchiddananada state or become one with HIM . > > > > Best wishes, > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > jyotish-vidya, Balaji Narasimhan > > <sherlockbalaji@> wrote: > > > > > > Wendy ji, > > > > > > ///I think it would be better to say that Ketu in this > > > position inclines the native towards moksha (a strong > > > basic tendency...innate nature). However, for this > > > basic promise to come to fruition, there must be > > > support from other moksha lords (influencing lagna, > > > lagna lord or its karaka, Sun)...don't you agree?/// > > > > > > I'm with you here, Wendy ji! The lords of the 5th and > > > the 9th--along with their houses--need to be studied > > > to analyze the basic religious nature of the native, > > > and one should also, I feel, look at ALL the moksha > > > houses (4, 8, 12). > > > > > > BTW, this reminds me of something I read earlier. A > > > man goes to God and says, "God, please grant me > > > salvation." > > > > > > "No." said God, "Salvation is a product of > > > tribulations. It is not granted, it is earned." > > > > > > The way I see it, moksha is the easiest and the > > > hardest thing in the world. It is hard because few > > > aspire for this--and those who want it don't want to > > > pay the price in this realm. But, it is also the > > > easiest because Moksha is granted by God, and since He > > > is extremely kind, He gives it to those who ask for > > > this. > > > > > > I believe that God grants Moksha to those who ask for > > > this, irrespective of what the chart indicates. > > > However, will we ask? This, the chart definitely > > > indicates! > > > > > > Hope that this little theory of mine bridges both the > > > logic of the birth chart and the supremely merciful > > > nature of God! :-) > > > > > > > > > ~~~~~~~~~ > > > Balaji Narasimhan > > > Author & Editor > > > http://www.balaji.ind.in/ > > > ~~~~~~~~~ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________________ > > ______________ > > > > > > Everyone is raving about the all-new Mail beta. > > > http://new.mail. > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > Krishna > http://astrokrishna.blogspot.com > > > > ____________________ ______________ > Any questions? Get answers on any topic at www.Answers.. Try it now. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 5, 2006 Report Share Posted December 5, 2006 Dear Krishnaji, The 4th house factor somehow turns up in most cases if not all. The 5th house as we all know stands for meditation, Japa tapa and spiritual persuits. For this house to be strong naturally the 12th from it has to be weak. Like mysel to be strong the 12th house of my chart should be weak. Is not so ? In the same way for the 5th to be strong, the 4th has to go weak.Of course this may not be so in all cases. Here we are talking in general. I remember from memory, 1) Meera Bai was not happy at home and was absorbed in worship of Lord Krishna. She had no domestic happiness at all, on the contrary faced hindrances and suffering at homefront. 2) Bhakta Tulsidasa, once his wife taunted him for sensual pleasures and he left her and the domestic happiness he was accustomed to, only after that he could wrire the Ramayana. 3) Bhakta Sudama was incensed by his wife and her constant yearning to him to go and meet lord Krishna because of dire poverty at home. And once having done that and getting the rewards, he spent the rest of his life in a Kutiya (Hut) in the palace enclosures gifted to him by the Lord, taking his name and thus spiritually spending the rest of his life. 4) Modern day Swami Prabhupada Founder of the ISCKON also left his wife who tortured him no end even for a cup of tea offered to his visitors. After he left home only was he able to create this great Temple and organisation we see today ISCKON. 5) We also know of ParamHansa Yogananda who left hs home and shelter of his parents early in life to become the Yogi-mystic he was and is in the hearts of thousands of folowers still. In all above cases we see the 4th house factor getting weakened and the 5th house factor doubly strong. regards Bhaskar. jyotish-vidya, Krishnamurthy Seetharama <krishna_1998 wrote: > > Dear Bhaskar, > > Once again, thanks for a wondeful mail. Apart from the > philosophical content, the astrological content lighted my eyes > as I found some indicators in my chart. > > Mine is Leo lagna, with Saturn in the 4th. Saturn and 12th lord > Moon aspect each other, Moon being in the 10th. Ketu is in the > 8th (in the house of Jupiter). The 12th house gets the aspect of > Jupiter. If one considers Rasi drishti, Ketu aspects the 12th by > Rasi drishti (of course by Rahu as well from the same count). > > I am currently running Saturn MD. > > What would you interpret from the above combination? > > Regards, > Krishna > > --- Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish wrote: > > > Dear Balaji, > > > > "Binu HariKripa Milahi nahi Santa" > > translated- Without the Lords Grace You do not meet Saints. > > > > Also without His Grace You dont get Moksha just for asking. > > The Chart has to indicate the prelimnaries and in the texts, > > there are indications given for Moksha too, in chart reading. > > > > There has to be indications by way of as you rightly said > > 5th and 9th House, Purva Punya and Sanchit Purva Karma, > > Sanyasa Yogas, Grihast Sanyas Yogas, Retro planets > > to indicate the Uncompleted tasks (Specially with > > reference to the 6th house), Atmakaraka and Vimsamsa chart. > > Of course the 12th Lord willl also indicate and so would > > the placement of Ketu the Mokshkaraka Graha. > > But again the placement of only a single planet > > cannot assure Moksha necesarily. It has to be part of > > the string and not in isolation. > > > > There also must be conditions in sinners charts when they > > start leading a good life, like in case > > of Valmiki. And we have a age old adage, > > every Saint has a past, and every sinner has a future. > > > > Mokhsa or final emancipation one cannot just get by asking. > > The chart has to show the Vairagya, or detachement, > > specially where the 12th Lord (Of Denial where it is placed), > > the 4th house, and seperative Grahas like Sun. > > Moon if in 4th or Saturn if in 4th would cause > > one to get detached from the home and domestic > > affairs leading to a life of self established detachement with > > the help of the 12th Lord. or if 2th Lord connection is > > missing, > > then a forced one due to indicatory factors of the 4th House. > > > > The desires(Vasanas) have to be extinguished completely from > > the > > psyche > > for one to have Moksha, not only in this physical state of > > being and > > body, > > but also in the subconscious states of being, when brought on > > the > > world first, > > in the first body a soul gets, and thus accumlates desires > > through > > thousands > > or lakhs of births as the case may be.Once these are not > > evaporated > > completely, > > theres no getting of Moksha how much a person may desire so, > > for this > > is the > > law of Nature as the Creator-God has set to be. But of course > > once > > the seed of > > desire is sown then either in this or subsequent births the > > native > > would be > > thrown on the path of fructifying this desire, coupled with > > efforts > > on the part > > of the native. > > > > We have also references to the Sapta Koshas or Astral body > > attached to the Physical body. > > 1) Annamaya Kosha > > 2) Pranamaya Kosha > > 3) Vasnamaya Kosha > > 4) Manomaya Kosha > > 5) Gyanamaya Kosha > > 6) Vigyanamaya Kosha > > 7) Anandmaya Kosha > > > > When the body is burnt (Consigned to the flames), the > > Pranmaya Kosha > > starts melting > > and the Vasnamaya Kosha gets opened. here the Vasanas are all > > > > stored. > > A substance known as Ectoplasm produces all these Vasanas. > > According > > to the characteristic of the Ectoplasm there are classes of > > ghosts - > > Rakshaa-demon,Brahma rakshash- A Brahmin turned into > > rakshasa,Witch ,dakin etc. Ectoplasm can easily establish > > relation > > with the human mind. It is invisible but sometimes it takes > > some > > solid form,we call it ghost or demon. > > The more vasnas stored, the more time this Kosha will take to > > melt. > > The ectoplasm can > > fufill its Vasanas either through other ways like possession > > as it > > needs hemoglobin to exist and thus needs blood (This is the > > reason > > why person in possession of evil spirits turns pale), > > or by taking rebirth in human body. Therefore Unless Vasnamaya > > kosha > > does > > not melt, salvation is not secured. > > > > It is only when the person reaches the stage of Anandmaya > > Kosha > > melting ,does the soul and mind become free and then you are > > in > > satchiddananada state or become one with HIM . > > > > Best wishes, > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > jyotish-vidya, Balaji Narasimhan > > <sherlockbalaji@> wrote: > > > > > > Wendy ji, > > > > > > ///I think it would be better to say that Ketu in this > > > position inclines the native towards moksha (a strong > > > basic tendency...innate nature). However, for this > > > basic promise to come to fruition, there must be > > > support from other moksha lords (influencing lagna, > > > lagna lord or its karaka, Sun)...don't you agree?/// > > > > > > I'm with you here, Wendy ji! The lords of the 5th and > > > the 9th--along with their houses--need to be studied > > > to analyze the basic religious nature of the native, > > > and one should also, I feel, look at ALL the moksha > > > houses (4, 8, 12). > > > > > > BTW, this reminds me of something I read earlier. A > > > man goes to God and says, "God, please grant me > > > salvation." > > > > > > "No." said God, "Salvation is a product of > > > tribulations. It is not granted, it is earned." > > > > > > The way I see it, moksha is the easiest and the > > > hardest thing in the world. It is hard because few > > > aspire for this--and those who want it don't want to > > > pay the price in this realm. But, it is also the > > > easiest because Moksha is granted by God, and since He > > > is extremely kind, He gives it to those who ask for > > > this. > > > > > > I believe that God grants Moksha to those who ask for > > > this, irrespective of what the chart indicates. > > > However, will we ask? This, the chart definitely > > > indicates! > > > > > > Hope that this little theory of mine bridges both the > > > logic of the birth chart and the supremely merciful > > > nature of God! :-) > > > > > > > > > ~~~~~~~~~ > > > Balaji Narasimhan > > > Author & Editor > > > http://www.balaji.ind.in/ > > > ~~~~~~~~~ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________________ > > ______________ > > > > > > Everyone is raving about the all-new Mail beta. > > > http://new.mail. > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > Krishna > http://astrokrishna.blogspot.com > > > > ____________________ ______________ > Any questions? Get answers on any topic at www.Answers.. Try it now. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 5, 2006 Report Share Posted December 5, 2006 Dear Bhaskar, Yes, lot of what you have said is correct. Mars is strong, being the Yogakaraka and sitting in a Kendra (10th) along with Moon. True, I have been learning a lot during this MD. Never really shared excellent rapport with my mother as our line of thinking does not match that much. She lives with me though as the doors of my brother is more or less shut for her. I feel it is my durty to take care of her during her old age. Yes, hindrances in profession. I did ot like the way things were taking shape at work and decided to quit and focus on my hobbies. Luckily by God's grace I could afford that financially. Sani MD is quite good financially so far. The stock options my company gave over the years yielded handsome returns. Of late there is more leaning towards philosophy, trying to understand the self etc. One thing you were no so correct was about domestic happiness. I am quite happy and contented. To answer your other questions: 1. Yes, Moon is at 27Taurus28 2. There are three planets in Lagna (Leo) - Sun, Venus, Mercury 3. Jupiter is in the 3rd 4. There are no other planets in Scopio Regards, Krishna --- Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish (AT) (DOT) co.in> wrote: > Dear Krishnaji, > > Results of Saturn Dasha- > In the absence of other details- > > High learning if Mars is strong, > Maternal happiness may not be there. > Neither domestic happiness. > Of course this would be if Saturn is weak. > Strong Moon would give property,position if again > well aspected by Mars, if weak then opposite > results, high expenses etc.hindrances in profession. > In any case you will be leaning towards > Varigya,detachement > of wordly affairs, and wishing to wind up sort of and > get down to spiritual rounding up of your life., > and making this base strong. > > Is Your Moon around 25 degrees ? > And more than 3-4 planets in any house ? > Transit of Jupiter will also show its effects, > depending on where Jupiter is placed. > Do You have any more planets in Scorpio ? > > The above is snap shot and may be off the mark. > You know better. > > regards, > Bhaskar. > > > > > jyotish-vidya, Krishnamurthy Seetharama > > <krishna_1998 wrote: > > > > Dear Bhaskar, > > > > Once again, thanks for a wondeful mail. Apart from the > > philosophical content, the astrological content lighted my > eyes > > as I found some indicators in my chart. > > > > Mine is Leo lagna, with Saturn in the 4th. Saturn and 12th > lord > > Moon aspect each other, Moon being in the 10th. Ketu is in > the > > 8th (in the house of Jupiter). The 12th house gets the > aspect of > > Jupiter. If one considers Rasi drishti, Ketu aspects the > 12th by > > Rasi drishti (of course by Rahu as well from the same > count). > > > > I am currently running Saturn MD. > > > > What would you interpret from the above combination? > > > > Regards, > > Krishna > > > > --- Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish wrote: > > > > > Dear Balaji, > > > > > > "Binu HariKripa Milahi nahi Santa" > > > translated- Without the Lords Grace You do not meet > Saints. > > > > > > Also without His Grace You dont get Moksha just for > asking. > > > The Chart has to indicate the prelimnaries and in the > texts, > > > there are indications given for Moksha too, in chart > reading. > > > > > > There has to be indications by way of as you rightly said > > > 5th and 9th House, Purva Punya and Sanchit Purva Karma, > > > Sanyasa Yogas, Grihast Sanyas Yogas, Retro planets > > > to indicate the Uncompleted tasks (Specially with > > > reference to the 6th house), Atmakaraka and Vimsamsa > chart. > > > Of course the 12th Lord willl also indicate and so would > > > the placement of Ketu the Mokshkaraka Graha. > > > But again the placement of only a single planet > > > cannot assure Moksha necesarily. It has to be part of > > > the string and not in isolation. > > > > > > There also must be conditions in sinners charts when they > > > start leading a good life, like in case > > > of Valmiki. And we have a age old adage, > > > every Saint has a past, and every sinner has a future. > > > > > > Mokhsa or final emancipation one cannot just get by > asking. > > > The chart has to show the Vairagya, or detachement, > > > specially where the 12th Lord (Of Denial where it is > placed), > > > the 4th house, and seperative Grahas like Sun. > > > Moon if in 4th or Saturn if in 4th would cause > > > one to get detached from the home and domestic > > > affairs leading to a life of self established detachement > with > > > the help of the 12th Lord. or if 2th Lord connection is > > > missing, > > > then a forced one due to indicatory factors of the 4th > House. > > > > > > The desires(Vasanas) have to be extinguished completely > from > > > the > > > psyche > > > for one to have Moksha, not only in this physical state of > > > being and > > > body, > > > but also in the subconscious states of being, when brought > on > > > the > > > world first, > > > in the first body a soul gets, and thus accumlates desires > > > through > > > thousands > > > or lakhs of births as the case may be.Once these are not > > > evaporated > > > completely, > > > theres no getting of Moksha how much a person may desire > so, > > > for this > > > is the > > > law of Nature as the Creator-God has set to be. But of > course > > > once > > > the seed of > > > desire is sown then either in this or subsequent births > the > > > native > > > would be > > > thrown on the path of fructifying this desire, coupled > with > > > efforts > > > on the part > > > of the native. > > > > > > We have also references to the Sapta Koshas or Astral body > > > attached to the Physical body. > > > 1) Annamaya Kosha > > > 2) Pranamaya Kosha > > > 3) Vasnamaya Kosha > > > 4) Manomaya Kosha > > > 5) Gyanamaya Kosha > > > 6) Vigyanamaya Kosha > > > 7) Anandmaya Kosha > > > > > > When the body is burnt (Consigned to the flames), the > > > Pranmaya Kosha > > > starts melting > > > and the Vasnamaya Kosha gets opened. here the Vasanas are > all > > > > > > stored. > > > A substance known as Ectoplasm produces all these Vasanas. > > > According > > > to the characteristic of the Ectoplasm there are classes > of > > > ghosts - > > > Rakshaa-demon,Brahma rakshash- A Brahmin turned into > > > rakshasa,Witch ,dakin etc. Ectoplasm can easily establish > > > relation > > > with the human mind. It is invisible but sometimes it > takes > > > some > > > solid form,we call it ghost or demon. > > > The more vasnas stored, the more time this Kosha will take > to > > > melt. > > > The ectoplasm can > > > fufill its Vasanas either through other ways like > possession > > > as it > > > needs hemoglobin to exist and thus needs blood (This is > the > > > reason > > > why person in possession of evil spirits turns pale), > > > or by taking rebirth in human body. Therefore Unless > Vasnamaya > > > kosha > > > does > > > not melt, salvation is not secured. > > > > > > It is only when the person reaches the stage of Anandmaya > > > Kosha > > > melting ,does the soul and mind become free and then you > are > > > in > > > satchiddananada state or become one with HIM . > > > > > > Best wishes, > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > === message truncated === Regards, Krishna http://astrokrishna.blogspot.com Have a burning question? Go to www.Answers. and get answers from real people who know. 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Guest guest Posted December 5, 2006 Report Share Posted December 5, 2006 Dear Krishnaji, Thank You for the feedback. //One thing you were no so correct was about domestic happiness. I am quite happy and contented.// Yes there I had a doubt becuase I was not sure about Mars. Here Mars is strong and aspecting the 4th its own houe, you get better positive results on this acount, other factors not withstanding. if Mars was also weak ,then the negative effects would have come to stay. I had a intuition about your Jupiter being placed in 3rd, but since intuition does not work all the time and neither perfect everytime when it works,I just kept quiet about it. regards, Bhaskar. jyotish-vidya, Krishnamurthy Seetharama <krishna_1998 wrote: > > Dear Bhaskar, > > Yes, lot of what you have said is correct. > > Mars is strong, being the Yogakaraka and sitting in a Kendra > (10th) along with Moon. True, I have been learning a lot during > this MD. > > Never really shared excellent rapport with my mother as our line > of thinking does not match that much. She lives with me though > as the doors of my brother is more or less shut for her. I feel > it is my durty to take care of her during her old age. > > Yes, hindrances in profession. I did ot like the way things were > taking shape at work and decided to quit and focus on my > hobbies. Luckily by God's grace I could afford that financially. > > Sani MD is quite good financially so far. The stock options my > company gave over the years yielded handsome returns. > > Of late there is more leaning towards philosophy, trying to > understand the self etc. > > One thing you were no so correct was about domestic happiness. I > am quite happy and contented. > > To answer your other questions: > > 1. Yes, Moon is at 27Taurus28 > 2. There are three planets in Lagna (Leo) - Sun, Venus, Mercury > 3. Jupiter is in the 3rd > 4. There are no other planets in Scopio > > Regards, > Krishna > --- Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish wrote: > > > Dear Krishnaji, > > > > Results of Saturn Dasha- > > In the absence of other details- > > > > High learning if Mars is strong, > > Maternal happiness may not be there. > > Neither domestic happiness. > > Of course this would be if Saturn is weak. > > Strong Moon would give property,position if again > > well aspected by Mars, if weak then opposite > > results, high expenses etc.hindrances in profession. > > In any case you will be leaning towards > > Varigya,detachement > > of wordly affairs, and wishing to wind up sort of and > > get down to spiritual rounding up of your life., > > and making this base strong. > > > > Is Your Moon around 25 degrees ? > > And more than 3-4 planets in any house ? > > Transit of Jupiter will also show its effects, > > depending on where Jupiter is placed. > > Do You have any more planets in Scorpio ? > > > > The above is snap shot and may be off the mark. > > You know better. > > > > regards, > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > jyotish-vidya, Krishnamurthy Seetharama > > > > <krishna_1998@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Bhaskar, > > > > > > Once again, thanks for a wondeful mail. Apart from the > > > philosophical content, the astrological content lighted my > > eyes > > > as I found some indicators in my chart. > > > > > > Mine is Leo lagna, with Saturn in the 4th. Saturn and 12th > > lord > > > Moon aspect each other, Moon being in the 10th. Ketu is in > > the > > > 8th (in the house of Jupiter). The 12th house gets the > > aspect of > > > Jupiter. If one considers Rasi drishti, Ketu aspects the > > 12th by > > > Rasi drishti (of course by Rahu as well from the same > > count). > > > > > > I am currently running Saturn MD. > > > > > > What would you interpret from the above combination? > > > > > > Regards, > > > Krishna > > > > > > --- Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish@> wrote: > > > > > > > Dear Balaji, > > > > > > > > "Binu HariKripa Milahi nahi Santa" > > > > translated- Without the Lords Grace You do not meet > > Saints. > > > > > > > > Also without His Grace You dont get Moksha just for > > asking. > > > > The Chart has to indicate the prelimnaries and in the > > texts, > > > > there are indications given for Moksha too, in chart > > reading. > > > > > > > > There has to be indications by way of as you rightly said > > > > 5th and 9th House, Purva Punya and Sanchit Purva Karma, > > > > Sanyasa Yogas, Grihast Sanyas Yogas, Retro planets > > > > to indicate the Uncompleted tasks (Specially with > > > > reference to the 6th house), Atmakaraka and Vimsamsa > > chart. > > > > Of course the 12th Lord willl also indicate and so would > > > > the placement of Ketu the Mokshkaraka Graha. > > > > But again the placement of only a single planet > > > > cannot assure Moksha necesarily. It has to be part of > > > > the string and not in isolation. > > > > > > > > There also must be conditions in sinners charts when they > > > > start leading a good life, like in case > > > > of Valmiki. And we have a age old adage, > > > > every Saint has a past, and every sinner has a future. > > > > > > > > Mokhsa or final emancipation one cannot just get by > > asking. > > > > The chart has to show the Vairagya, or detachement, > > > > specially where the 12th Lord (Of Denial where it is > > placed), > > > > the 4th house, and seperative Grahas like Sun. > > > > Moon if in 4th or Saturn if in 4th would cause > > > > one to get detached from the home and domestic > > > > affairs leading to a life of self established detachement > > with > > > > the help of the 12th Lord. or if 2th Lord connection is > > > > missing, > > > > then a forced one due to indicatory factors of the 4th > > House. > > > > > > > > The desires(Vasanas) have to be extinguished completely > > from > > > > the > > > > psyche > > > > for one to have Moksha, not only in this physical state of > > > > being and > > > > body, > > > > but also in the subconscious states of being, when brought > > on > > > > the > > > > world first, > > > > in the first body a soul gets, and thus accumlates desires > > > > through > > > > thousands > > > > or lakhs of births as the case may be.Once these are not > > > > evaporated > > > > completely, > > > > theres no getting of Moksha how much a person may desire > > so, > > > > for this > > > > is the > > > > law of Nature as the Creator-God has set to be. But of > > course > > > > once > > > > the seed of > > > > desire is sown then either in this or subsequent births > > the > > > > native > > > > would be > > > > thrown on the path of fructifying this desire, coupled > > with > > > > efforts > > > > on the part > > > > of the native. > > > > > > > > We have also references to the Sapta Koshas or Astral body > > > > attached to the Physical body. > > > > 1) Annamaya Kosha > > > > 2) Pranamaya Kosha > > > > 3) Vasnamaya Kosha > > > > 4) Manomaya Kosha > > > > 5) Gyanamaya Kosha > > > > 6) Vigyanamaya Kosha > > > > 7) Anandmaya Kosha > > > > > > > > When the body is burnt (Consigned to the flames), the > > > > Pranmaya Kosha > > > > starts melting > > > > and the Vasnamaya Kosha gets opened. here the Vasanas are > > all > > > > > > > > stored. > > > > A substance known as Ectoplasm produces all these Vasanas. > > > > According > > > > to the characteristic of the Ectoplasm there are classes > > of > > > > ghosts - > > > > Rakshaa-demon,Brahma rakshash- A Brahmin turned into > > > > rakshasa,Witch ,dakin etc. Ectoplasm can easily establish > > > > relation > > > > with the human mind. It is invisible but sometimes it > > takes > > > > some > > > > solid form,we call it ghost or demon. > > > > The more vasnas stored, the more time this Kosha will take > > to > > > > melt. > > > > The ectoplasm can > > > > fufill its Vasanas either through other ways like > > possession > > > > as it > > > > needs hemoglobin to exist and thus needs blood (This is > > the > > > > reason > > > > why person in possession of evil spirits turns pale), > > > > or by taking rebirth in human body. Therefore Unless > > Vasnamaya > > > > kosha > > > > does > > > > not melt, salvation is not secured. > > > > > > > > It is only when the person reaches the stage of Anandmaya > > > > Kosha > > > > melting ,does the soul and mind become free and then you > > are > > > > in > > > > satchiddananada state or become one with HIM . > > > > > > > > Best wishes, > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > === message truncated === > > > Regards, > Krishna > http://astrokrishna.blogspot.com > > > > ____________________ ______________ > Have a burning question? > Go to www.Answers. and get answers from real people who know. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 5, 2006 Report Share Posted December 5, 2006 Dear Bhaskar, Please address me as Krishna. I feel a bit ackward when people who interact on a daily basis add a ji to my name. One question. In your previous mail, you asked if my Moon is around 25th degree. Why do you ask? I couldn't guess. Regards, Krishna --- Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish (AT) (DOT) co.in> wrote: > Dear Krishnaji, > > Thank You for the feedback. > > //One thing you were no so correct was about domestic > happiness. I > am quite happy and contented.// > > Yes there I had a doubt becuase I was not sure about Mars. > Here Mars > is strong and aspecting the 4th its own houe, you get better > positive > results on this acount, other factors not withstanding. if > Mars > was also weak ,then the negative effects would have come to > stay. > > I had a intuition about your Jupiter being placed in 3rd, but > since > intuition does not work all the time and neither perfect > everytime > when it works,I just kept quiet about it. > > regards, > Bhaskar. > > > > jyotish-vidya, Krishnamurthy Seetharama > > <krishna_1998 wrote: > > > > Dear Bhaskar, > > > > Yes, lot of what you have said is correct. > > > > Mars is strong, being the Yogakaraka and sitting in a Kendra > > (10th) along with Moon. True, I have been learning a lot > during > > this MD. > > > > Never really shared excellent rapport with my mother as our > line > > of thinking does not match that much. She lives with me > though > > as the doors of my brother is more or less shut for her. I > feel > > it is my durty to take care of her during her old age. > > > > Yes, hindrances in profession. I did ot like the way things > were > > taking shape at work and decided to quit and focus on my > > hobbies. Luckily by God's grace I could afford that > financially. > > > > Sani MD is quite good financially so far. The stock options > my > > company gave over the years yielded handsome returns. > > > > Of late there is more leaning towards philosophy, trying to > > understand the self etc. > > > > One thing you were no so correct was about domestic > happiness. I > > am quite happy and contented. > > > > To answer your other questions: > > > > 1. Yes, Moon is at 27Taurus28 > > 2. There are three planets in Lagna (Leo) - Sun, Venus, > Mercury > > 3. Jupiter is in the 3rd > > 4. There are no other planets in Scopio > > > > Regards, > > Krishna > > --- Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish wrote: > > > > > Dear Krishnaji, > > > > > > Results of Saturn Dasha- > > > In the absence of other details- > > > > > > High learning if Mars is strong, > > > Maternal happiness may not be there. > > > Neither domestic happiness. > > > Of course this would be if Saturn is weak. > > > Strong Moon would give property,position if again > > > well aspected by Mars, if weak then opposite > > > results, high expenses etc.hindrances in profession. > > > In any case you will be leaning towards > > > Varigya,detachement > > > of wordly affairs, and wishing to wind up sort of and > > > get down to spiritual rounding up of your life., > > > and making this base strong. > > > > > > Is Your Moon around 25 degrees ? > > > And more than 3-4 planets in any house ? > > > Transit of Jupiter will also show its effects, > > > depending on where Jupiter is placed. > > > Do You have any more planets in Scorpio ? > > > > > > The above is snap shot and may be off the mark. > > > You know better. > > > > > > regards, > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > jyotish-vidya, Krishnamurthy > Seetharama > > > > > > <krishna_1998@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Bhaskar, > > > > > > > > Once again, thanks for a wondeful mail. Apart from the > > > > philosophical content, the astrological content lighted > my > > > eyes > > > > as I found some indicators in my chart. > > > > > > > > Mine is Leo lagna, with Saturn in the 4th. Saturn and > 12th > > > lord > > > > Moon aspect each other, Moon being in the 10th. Ketu is > in > > > the > > > > 8th (in the house of Jupiter). The 12th house gets the > > > aspect of > > > > Jupiter. If one considers Rasi drishti, Ketu aspects the > > > 12th by > > > > Rasi drishti (of course by Rahu as well from the same > > > count). > > > > > > > > I am currently running Saturn MD. > > > > > > > > What would you interpret from the above combination? > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > Krishna > > > > > > > > --- Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > Dear Balaji, > > > > > > > > > > "Binu HariKripa Milahi nahi Santa" > > > > > translated- Without the Lords Grace You do not meet > > > Saints. > > > > > > > > > > Also without His Grace You dont get Moksha just for > > > asking. > > > > > The Chart has to indicate the prelimnaries and in the > > > texts, > > > > > there are indications given for Moksha too, in chart > > > reading. > > > > > > > > > > There has to be indications by way of as you rightly > said > > > > > 5th and 9th House, Purva Punya and Sanchit Purva > Karma, > > > > > Sanyasa Yogas, Grihast Sanyas Yogas, Retro planets > > > > > to indicate the Uncompleted tasks (Specially with > > > > > reference to the 6th house), Atmakaraka and Vimsamsa > > > chart. > > > > > Of course the 12th Lord willl also indicate and so > would > > > > > the placement of Ketu the Mokshkaraka Graha. > > > > > But again the placement of only a single planet > > > > > cannot assure Moksha necesarily. It has to be part of > > > > > the string and not in isolation. > > > > > > > > > > There also must be conditions in sinners charts when > they > > > > > start leading a good life, like in case > > > > > of Valmiki. And we have a age old adage, > > > > > every Saint has a past, and every sinner has a future. > > > > > > > > > > Mokhsa or final emancipation one cannot just get by > > > asking. > > > > > The chart has to show the Vairagya, or detachement, > > > > > specially where the 12th Lord (Of Denial where it is > > > placed), > > > > > the 4th house, and seperative Grahas like Sun. > > > > > Moon if in 4th or Saturn if in 4th would cause > > > > > one to get detached from the home and domestic > > > > > affairs leading to a life of self established > detachement > > > with > > > > > the help of the 12th Lord. or if 2th Lord connection > is > > > > > missing, > > > > > then a forced one due to indicatory factors of the 4th > > > House. > > > > > > > > > > The desires(Vasanas) have to be extinguished > completely > > > from > > > > > the > === message truncated === Regards, Krishna http://astrokrishna.blogspot.com Everyone is raving about the all-new Mail beta. http://new.mail. 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Guest guest Posted December 5, 2006 Report Share Posted December 5, 2006 Dear Krishna, If You notice at the time I was doing your reading, Moon was actually in Taurus at 25 degrees. Just checking the sound of nature and projection onwards to your chart, in conformity,at the time I was replying you. regards, Bhaskar. jyotish-vidya, Krishnamurthy Seetharama <krishna_1998 wrote: > > Dear Bhaskar, > > Please address me as Krishna. I feel a bit ackward when people > who interact on a daily basis add a ji to my name. > > One question. In your previous mail, you asked if my Moon is > around 25th degree. Why do you ask? I couldn't guess. > > Regards, > Krishna > > --- Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish wrote: > > > Dear Krishnaji, > > > > Thank You for the feedback. > > > > //One thing you were no so correct was about domestic > > happiness. I > > am quite happy and contented.// > > > > Yes there I had a doubt becuase I was not sure about Mars. > > Here Mars > > is strong and aspecting the 4th its own houe, you get better > > positive > > results on this acount, other factors not withstanding. if > > Mars > > was also weak ,then the negative effects would have come to > > stay. > > > > I had a intuition about your Jupiter being placed in 3rd, but > > since > > intuition does not work all the time and neither perfect > > everytime > > when it works,I just kept quiet about it. > > > > regards, > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > jyotish-vidya, Krishnamurthy Seetharama > > > > <krishna_1998@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Bhaskar, > > > > > > Yes, lot of what you have said is correct. > > > > > > Mars is strong, being the Yogakaraka and sitting in a Kendra > > > (10th) along with Moon. True, I have been learning a lot > > during > > > this MD. > > > > > > Never really shared excellent rapport with my mother as our > > line > > > of thinking does not match that much. She lives with me > > though > > > as the doors of my brother is more or less shut for her. I > > feel > > > it is my durty to take care of her during her old age. > > > > > > Yes, hindrances in profession. I did ot like the way things > > were > > > taking shape at work and decided to quit and focus on my > > > hobbies. Luckily by God's grace I could afford that > > financially. > > > > > > Sani MD is quite good financially so far. The stock options > > my > > > company gave over the years yielded handsome returns. > > > > > > Of late there is more leaning towards philosophy, trying to > > > understand the self etc. > > > > > > One thing you were no so correct was about domestic > > happiness. I > > > am quite happy and contented. > > > > > > To answer your other questions: > > > > > > 1. Yes, Moon is at 27Taurus28 > > > 2. There are three planets in Lagna (Leo) - Sun, Venus, > > Mercury > > > 3. Jupiter is in the 3rd > > > 4. There are no other planets in Scopio > > > > > > Regards, > > > Krishna > > > --- Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish@> wrote: > > > > > > > Dear Krishnaji, > > > > > > > > Results of Saturn Dasha- > > > > In the absence of other details- > > > > > > > > High learning if Mars is strong, > > > > Maternal happiness may not be there. > > > > Neither domestic happiness. > > > > Of course this would be if Saturn is weak. > > > > Strong Moon would give property,position if again > > > > well aspected by Mars, if weak then opposite > > > > results, high expenses etc.hindrances in profession. > > > > In any case you will be leaning towards > > > > Varigya,detachement > > > > of wordly affairs, and wishing to wind up sort of and > > > > get down to spiritual rounding up of your life., > > > > and making this base strong. > > > > > > > > Is Your Moon around 25 degrees ? > > > > And more than 3-4 planets in any house ? > > > > Transit of Jupiter will also show its effects, > > > > depending on where Jupiter is placed. > > > > Do You have any more planets in Scorpio ? > > > > > > > > The above is snap shot and may be off the mark. > > > > You know better. > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > jyotish-vidya, Krishnamurthy > > Seetharama > > > > > > > > <krishna_1998@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear Bhaskar, > > > > > > > > > > Once again, thanks for a wondeful mail. Apart from the > > > > > philosophical content, the astrological content lighted > > my > > > > eyes > > > > > as I found some indicators in my chart. > > > > > > > > > > Mine is Leo lagna, with Saturn in the 4th. Saturn and > > 12th > > > > lord > > > > > Moon aspect each other, Moon being in the 10th. Ketu is > > in > > > > the > > > > > 8th (in the house of Jupiter). The 12th house gets the > > > > aspect of > > > > > Jupiter. If one considers Rasi drishti, Ketu aspects the > > > > 12th by > > > > > Rasi drishti (of course by Rahu as well from the same > > > > count). > > > > > > > > > > I am currently running Saturn MD. > > > > > > > > > > What would you interpret from the above combination? > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > Krishna > > > > > > > > > > --- Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Balaji, > > > > > > > > > > > > "Binu HariKripa Milahi nahi Santa" > > > > > > translated- Without the Lords Grace You do not meet > > > > Saints. > > > > > > > > > > > > Also without His Grace You dont get Moksha just for > > > > asking. > > > > > > The Chart has to indicate the prelimnaries and in the > > > > texts, > > > > > > there are indications given for Moksha too, in chart > > > > reading. > > > > > > > > > > > > There has to be indications by way of as you rightly > > said > > > > > > 5th and 9th House, Purva Punya and Sanchit Purva > > Karma, > > > > > > Sanyasa Yogas, Grihast Sanyas Yogas, Retro planets > > > > > > to indicate the Uncompleted tasks (Specially with > > > > > > reference to the 6th house), Atmakaraka and Vimsamsa > > > > chart. > > > > > > Of course the 12th Lord willl also indicate and so > > would > > > > > > the placement of Ketu the Mokshkaraka Graha. > > > > > > But again the placement of only a single planet > > > > > > cannot assure Moksha necesarily. It has to be part of > > > > > > the string and not in isolation. > > > > > > > > > > > > There also must be conditions in sinners charts when > > they > > > > > > start leading a good life, like in case > > > > > > of Valmiki. And we have a age old adage, > > > > > > every Saint has a past, and every sinner has a future. > > > > > > > > > > > > Mokhsa or final emancipation one cannot just get by > > > > asking. > > > > > > The chart has to show the Vairagya, or detachement, > > > > > > specially where the 12th Lord (Of Denial where it is > > > > placed), > > > > > > the 4th house, and seperative Grahas like Sun. > > > > > > Moon if in 4th or Saturn if in 4th would cause > > > > > > one to get detached from the home and domestic > > > > > > affairs leading to a life of self established > > detachement > > > > with > > > > > > the help of the 12th Lord. or if 2th Lord connection > > is > > > > > > missing, > > > > > > then a forced one due to indicatory factors of the 4th > > > > House. > > > > > > > > > > > > The desires(Vasanas) have to be extinguished > > completely > > > > from > > > > > > the > > > === message truncated === > > > Regards, > Krishna > http://astrokrishna.blogspot.com > > > > ____________________ ______________ > > Everyone is raving about the all-new Mail beta. > http://new.mail. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 6, 2006 Report Share Posted December 6, 2006 Wow! These things are out of my reach Bhaskar! Regards, Krishna --- Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish (AT) (DOT) co.in> wrote: > Dear Krishna, > > If You notice at the time I was doing your reading, > Moon was actually in Taurus at 25 degrees. > Just checking the sound of nature and projection onwards > to your chart, in conformity,at the time I was replying you. > > regards, > Bhaskar. > > > jyotish-vidya, Krishnamurthy Seetharama > > <krishna_1998 wrote: > > > > Dear Bhaskar, > > > > Please address me as Krishna. I feel a bit ackward when > people > > who interact on a daily basis add a ji to my name. > > > > One question. In your previous mail, you asked if my Moon is > > around 25th degree. Why do you ask? I couldn't guess. > > > > Regards, > > Krishna > > > > --- Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish wrote: > > > > > Dear Krishnaji, > > > > > > Thank You for the feedback. > > > > > > //One thing you were no so correct was about domestic > > > happiness. I > > > am quite happy and contented.// > > > > > > Yes there I had a doubt becuase I was not sure about Mars. > > > Here Mars > > > is strong and aspecting the 4th its own houe, you get > better > > > positive > > > results on this acount, other factors not withstanding. if > > > Mars > > > was also weak ,then the negative effects would have come > to > > > stay. > > > > > > I had a intuition about your Jupiter being placed in 3rd, > but > > > since > > > intuition does not work all the time and neither perfect > > > everytime > > > when it works,I just kept quiet about it. > > > > > > regards, > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > jyotish-vidya, Krishnamurthy > Seetharama > > > > > > <krishna_1998@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Bhaskar, > > > > > > > > Yes, lot of what you have said is correct. > > > > > > > > Mars is strong, being the Yogakaraka and sitting in a > Kendra > > > > (10th) along with Moon. True, I have been learning a lot > > > during > > > > this MD. > > > > > > > > Never really shared excellent rapport with my mother as > our > > > line > > > > of thinking does not match that much. She lives with me > > > though > > > > as the doors of my brother is more or less shut for her. > I > > > feel > > > > it is my durty to take care of her during her old age. > > > > > > > > Yes, hindrances in profession. I did ot like the way > things > > > were > > > > taking shape at work and decided to quit and focus on my > > > > hobbies. Luckily by God's grace I could afford that > > > financially. > > > > > > > > Sani MD is quite good financially so far. The stock > options > > > my > > > > company gave over the years yielded handsome returns. > > > > > > > > Of late there is more leaning towards philosophy, trying > to > > > > understand the self etc. > > > > > > > > One thing you were no so correct was about domestic > > > happiness. I > > > > am quite happy and contented. > > > > > > > > To answer your other questions: > > > > > > > > 1. Yes, Moon is at 27Taurus28 > > > > 2. There are three planets in Lagna (Leo) - Sun, Venus, > > > Mercury > > > > 3. Jupiter is in the 3rd > > > > 4. There are no other planets in Scopio > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > Krishna > > > > --- Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > Dear Krishnaji, > > > > > > > > > > Results of Saturn Dasha- > > > > > In the absence of other details- > > > > > > > > > > High learning if Mars is strong, > > > > > Maternal happiness may not be there. > > > > > Neither domestic happiness. > > > > > Of course this would be if Saturn is weak. > > > > > Strong Moon would give property,position if again > > > > > well aspected by Mars, if weak then opposite > > > > > results, high expenses etc.hindrances in profession. > > > > > In any case you will be leaning towards > > > > > Varigya,detachement > > > > > of wordly affairs, and wishing to wind up sort of and > > > > > get down to spiritual rounding up of your life., > > > > > and making this base strong. > > > > > > > > > > Is Your Moon around 25 degrees ? > > > > > And more than 3-4 planets in any house ? > > > > > Transit of Jupiter will also show its effects, > > > > > depending on where Jupiter is placed. > > > > > Do You have any more planets in Scorpio ? > > > > > > > > > > The above is snap shot and may be off the mark. > > > > > You know better. > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > jyotish-vidya, Krishnamurthy > > > Seetharama > > > > > > > > > > <krishna_1998@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Bhaskar, > > > > > > > > > > > > Once again, thanks for a wondeful mail. Apart from > the > > > > > > philosophical content, the astrological content > lighted > > > my > > > > > eyes > > > > > > as I found some indicators in my chart. > > > > > > > > > > > > Mine is Leo lagna, with Saturn in the 4th. Saturn > and > > > 12th > > > > > lord > > > > > > Moon aspect each other, Moon being in the 10th. Ketu > is > > > in > > > > > the > > > > > > 8th (in the house of Jupiter). The 12th house gets > the > > > > > aspect of > > > > > > Jupiter. If one considers Rasi drishti, Ketu aspects > the > > > > > 12th by > > > > > > Rasi drishti (of course by Rahu as well from the > same > > > > > count). > > > > > > > > > > > > I am currently running Saturn MD. > > > > > > > > > > > > What would you interpret from the above combination? > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > Krishna > > > > > > > > > > > > --- Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Balaji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "Binu HariKripa Milahi nahi Santa" > > > > > > > translated- Without the Lords Grace You do not > meet > > > > > Saints. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Also without His Grace You dont get Moksha just > for > === message truncated === Regards, Krishna http://astrokrishna.blogspot.com Music Unlimited Access over 1 million songs. http://music./unlimited Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 6, 2006 Report Share Posted December 6, 2006 Dear Balaji, //I believe that God grants Moksha to those who ask for this, irrespective of what the chart indicates. However, will we ask? This, the chart definitely indicates!// I understand perfectly from where this belief (of yours) rises :-) As we know, 4th house governs such things as; confidence and belief, devotion to God and so forth. For you, 4th lord (conjunct 5th/12th lord Venus) occupies 9th house of dharma, religion, faith etc. Both are combust... Sun, being the natural AtmaKaraka (significator of soul), is greatly significant considering all three, as well as Moon (karaka for 4th), Ketu (MokshaKaraka) and lagna, occupy nakshatra of Jupiter. Although Jupiter is debilitated in 8th moksha bhava he is uplifted by Moon (karaka for 4th--belief in God etc.). As I'm sure you know, there are strong indicators of moksha in your chart: 1) MokshaKaraka Ketu in lagna. 2) 8th (moksha) lord Saturn, dispositor of moksha lords (ME/VE) occupies 12th moksha bhava in nakshatra of Moon (karaka of 4th). Best Wishes, Mrs. Wendy http://JyotishVidya.com jyotish-vidya ___ - "Balaji Narasimhan" <sherlockbalaji > <jyotish-vidya> Tuesday, December 05, 2006 3:18 PM Re: Ketu in 12 Wendy ji, ///I think it would be better to say that Ketu in this position inclines the native towards moksha (a strong basic tendency...innate nature). However, for this basic promise to come to fruition, there must be support from other moksha lords (influencing lagna, lagna lord or its karaka, Sun)...don't you agree?/// I'm with you here, Wendy ji! The lords of the 5th and the 9th--along with their houses--need to be studied to analyze the basic religious nature of the native, and one should also, I feel, look at ALL the moksha houses (4, 8, 12). BTW, this reminds me of something I read earlier. A man goes to God and says, "God, please grant me salvation." "No." said God, "Salvation is a product of tribulations. It is not granted, it is earned." The way I see it, moksha is the easiest and the hardest thing in the world. It is hard because few aspire for this--and those who want it don't want to pay the price in this realm. But, it is also the easiest because Moksha is granted by God, and since He is extremely kind, He gives it to those who ask for this. I believe that God grants Moksha to those who ask for this, irrespective of what the chart indicates. However, will we ask? This, the chart definitely indicates! Hope that this little theory of mine bridges both the logic of the birth chart and the supremely merciful nature of God! :-) ~~~~~~~~~ Balaji Narasimhan Author & Editor http://www.balaji.ind.in/ ~~~~~~~~~ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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